[nfb-talk] [Blindtlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, here we go again

Sat Feb 23 10:30:50 CST 2008

Dear All,

Amen!
There is nothing but a lot of gum beating going on  at this point.
Let's move on people or at least take it off list, Please!

David Evans, NFBF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "james aldrich" <jkaldrich at qwest.net>
To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [Blindtlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home 
Edition,here we go again

> People!
>
> Don't you think this thread has gone on much too long?  It is better than 
> a week now and what has been solved other than venting?  I think enough is 
> enough!
>
> Jim Aldrich
>
> ----- source message -----
> from: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjosephcarter at gmail.com>
> to: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> date: 2008/02/23 03:06:53
> subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [Bltlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, 
> here we go again
>
>>
>>
>> Corey,
>>
>> Do you let random people grab you and drag you across streets you maybe
>> didn't want to cross because they're doing something nice?  Do people
>> physically handle you like a piece of furniture or lead you around like a
>> puppy without your protest because they're doing something nice?
>>
>> I don't care in the least what a person's intent is.  I am not some poor
>> blind person in need of help, "rescue", pity, or assistance I didn't 
>> seek.
>> You don't have to speak slowly or excessively loud, you don't have got 
>> use
>> simple words, and you had certainly better not expect that you'll talk to
>> my sighted companions in my place.  I do not live so that well-meaning
>> sighted people can get their warm fuzzies by trying to commit charity 
>> upon
>> me, and I am deeply offended when I see others treated in the same way I
>> myself would not tolerate.
>>
>> In this case, apparently, Extreme Make-Over did not do a bad job, as they
>> have in the past.  (I missed the episode, so I cannot say with 
>> certainty.)
>> But after several cases where the show has demonstrated most or all of 
>> the
>> above intolerable behaviors and certainly the underlying attitudes, I
>> think we deserve the benefit of the doubt when we expect no better this
>> time around.  We can now be surprised and pleased with the outcome in 
>> this
>> one case.  I don't have high hopes for future shows on disabilities, of
>> course because they've established a pattern to which this episode seems
>> an anomaly.
>>
>> The primary issue discussed in this thread is HumanWare's press release
>> and the wording they chose to use.  It's frankly insulting, to all of us.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 03:55:49PM com0500, Corey Cook wrote:
>> > I don't personally get the big deal anyway.
>> > They did something nice for the man and his family.
>> > Who are we to sit and judge this?
>> > x^^240
>> > Corey Cook
>> > Live Journal
>> > http://vanguardman.livejournal.com/ http://vanguardman.livejournal.com/
>> > Xanga
>> > http://www.xanga.com/ciu_nice_guy http://www.xanga.com/ciu_nice_guy
>> > AIM
>> > goldadore922
>> > MSN
>> > mailto:romans815 at earthlink.net romans815 at earthlink.net
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From:
>> > mailto:powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> > To:
>> > mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org NFB Talk Mailing List
>> > Sent:
>> > Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:12 AM
>> > Subject:
>> > Re: [nfb-talk] [Bltlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home Editioneahere 
>> > we go again
>> > I sure must be missing something here. x^^240 Why are you bashing HW 
>> > anyway. x^^240 They just anounced that the show was going to be aired 
>> > and I think they said they were going to be represented. x^^240 I saw 
>> > the whole show and there was no mention of HW. X^^240 The only thing I 
>> > can come up with is maybe the controls for the new wheel chair were 
>> > actually a GPS. X^^240 I think his lack of being able to walk was 
>> > emfasized a lot more than his blindness. x^^240 That is in our faver. 
>> > x^^240 I found one extreamly stupid thing they did for him, that was 
>> > to put that ability for music to go off, when he went into a spacific 
>> > room. x^^240 Also, HW might have had something to do with creating the 
>> > door that would open when the gentleman would say, open. x^^240
>> > I liked his aditude about looking at what he could do not what he could 
>> > not d. x^^240 He seamed to always be on the positive side which is a 
>> > pluss for him and the NF-B. X^^240 Many blind with out jobs or the 
>> > ability to read, are depressed and dependent on SSI. I think their main 
>> > goal was to make the home accessable, because of his wheelchair needs. 
>> > x^^240 They also over did it in the music area by buying him all that 
>> > recording equipment. x^^240 What did that have to do with his 
>> > handicap. x^^240 I still saw no sign of HW. X^^240 If they were not 
>> > in the show, how did they know about the show" x^^240 They had to be 
>> > in the background someware.
>> > Terry Powers
>> > x^^240
>> > ----comOriginal Message-----
>> > From: T. Joseph Carter [mailto:tjosephcarter at gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:36 PM
>> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [Bltlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home 
>> > Editioneahere we go again
>> > I don't think a boycott would be effective in the least. x^^240 I do 
>> > think a more low-key approach generally involving talking to someone in 
>> > a position to see to it that this doesn't happen again would probably 
>> > get far better results far quicker.
>> > Joseph
>> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 07:43:01PM com0800, Mike Freeman wrote:
>> > > One question which hasn't been dealt with here is whether we'd be 
>> > > effective if we protested to Humanware or attempted a boycott.
>> > >
>> > > Do you ininreally* think that blind persons would stop buying VR 
>> > > Streams over philosophical concerns? Fanatics would but I fear me 
>> > > greatly that it would end up a huge bust and would cause us more 
>> > > problems than we would solve.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
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