[nfb-talk] Fw: There is still a long way to go

[Mike Freeman]

Would a *sighted* person file a lawsuit because someone in a restaurant 
was impolite? I think not. Then why should we, the blind, expect to be 
able successfully to do so?

And to what extent are we ourselves responsible for our own alternative 
techniques, i.e., getting menus read for ourselves? Can we truly expect 
to be treated equally with the sighted except for those times when it is 
more convenient for us not to be?

Again, I think not. Frankly, I hope the lady loses her suit in that it 
does far more harm than good to the image of the blind.

Mike

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  Katey Glass
  Public Education Coordinator
  Center for the Visually Impaired
  739 West Peachtree Street, N.W.
  Atlanta, GA 30308
  404-875-9011, ext. 4277

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  From the New York Daily News:

  Fast food employees mocked a blind woman who needed help reading menu 
Page 1 of 1

  DAILY~NEWS



  Fast food employees mocked a blind woman who

  "

  needed help reading menu

  BY THOMAS ZAMBITO DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

  Saturday. February 9th 2008. 4:00 AM

  Alice Camarillo. who is legally blind, says she was ridiculed when she 
asked for help reading the menu at fast-food

  restaurants like Burger King, McDonald's, Taco Bell and Wendy's.

  She sued. A federal judge in Albany threw it out, saying the law 
doesn't require restaurant workers to be polite.

  Yesterday. a Manhattan federal appeals court overruled the lower 
court, and Camarillo can sue the restaurants

  under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

  "I feel good about it," Camarillo. who lives in upstate Hudson, told 
the Daily News. "I'm just sorry it took so long.

  Quite a few things that they did were humiliating."

  The appeals court ruling means the 2005 suit -believed to be the first 
of its kind -could go before a jury this year.

  The issue is whether the restaurants properly train their employees to 
serve the blind and disabled.

  Camarillo said annoyed workers served other customers before reading 
her just a partial list of their offerings.

  Camarillo can read large print when she holds it close, but can't make 
out most menus.

  During a visit to Burger King, employees "laughed and stared" and 
pointed her in the direction of the men's room

  when she asked for a bathroom, she claims.

  At Taco Bell, a cashier told her to wait until the rest of the 
customers had ordered.

  "Put simply, Camarillo cannot experience full and equal enjoyment of 
defendants' services if she is unable to access the list of the services 
available to her," the appeals court said.

  Last year, Albany Federal Court Judge Gary Sharpe dismissed the suit, 
saying Camarillo was never denied service at the restaurants. Sharpe 
said ADA laws don't regulate "rudeness or insensitivity" of workers.

  The appeals judges' disagreed.

  "While restaurants are not necessarily required to have on hand large 
print menus that Camarillo would be able to read, they are required to 
ensure that their menu options are effectively communicated to 
individuals who. like Camarillo, are legally blind," the judges wrote.

  Camarillo's lawyer, Michael O'Neill, believes this is the first time a 
blind or disabled person has made such a

  challenge under the ADA.

  "The way Alice was treated in some of these restaurants was just 
horrible," O'Neill said.

  Lawyers for the restaurants declined to comment. 
tzambito at nydailyneW~LC()m



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Would a *sighted* person file a lawsuit because someone in a restaurant was impolite? I think not. Then why should we, the blind, expect to be able successfully to do so?
 
And to what extent are we ourselves responsible for our own alternative techniques, i.e., getting menus read for ourselves? Can we truly expect to be treated equally with the sighted except for those times when it is more convenient for us not to be?
 
Again, I think not. Frankly, I hope the lady loses her suit in that it does far more harm than good to the image of the blind.
 
Mike
 
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Katey Glass
Public Education Coordinator
Center for the Visually Impaired
739 West Peachtree Street, N.W.
Atlanta, GA 30308
404-875-9011, ext. 4277
CVI eNews, our bimonthly e-newsletter, will keep you up to date on current happenings, upcoming events and advocacy efforts to support individuals who are blind or visually impaired and their families. Subscribe today!
To learn more about vision rehabilitation or to make a gift, visit our website at http://www.cviga.org www.cviga.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Woolf [mailto:bwoolf at cviga.org]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:24 PM
To: All CVI
Subject: There is still a long way to go
From the New York Daily News:
Fast food employees mocked a blind woman who needed help reading menu Page 1 of 1
DAILY~NEWS
Fast food employees mocked a blind woman who
"
needed help reading menu
BY THOMAS ZAMBITO DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Saturday. February 9th 2008. 4:00 AM
Alice Camarillo. who is legally blind, says she was ridiculed when she asked for help reading the menu at fast-food
restaurants like Burger King, McDonald's, Taco Bell and Wendy's.
She sued. A federal judge in Albany threw it out, saying the law doesn't require restaurant workers to be polite.
Yesterday. a Manhattan federal appeals court overruled the lower court, and Camarillo can sue the restaurants
under the Americans with Disabilities Act.
"I feel good about it," Camarillo. who lives in upstate Hudson, told the Daily News. "I'm just sorry it took so long.
Quite a few things that they did were humiliating."
The appeals court ruling means the 2005 suit -believed to be the first of its kind -could go before a jury this year.
The issue is whether the restaurants properly train their employees to serve the blind and disabled.
Camarillo said annoyed workers served other customers before reading her just a partial list of their offerings.
Camarillo can read large print when she holds it close, but can't make out most menus.
During a visit to Burger King, employees "laughed and stared" and pointed her in the direction of the men's room
when she asked for a bathroom, she claims.
At Taco Bell, a cashier told her to wait until the rest of the customers had ordered.
"Put simply, Camarillo cannot experience full and equal enjoyment of defendants' services if she is unable to access the list of the services available to her," the appeals court said.
Last year, Albany Federal Court Judge Gary Sharpe dismissed the suit, saying Camarillo was never denied service at the restaurants. Sharpe said ADA laws don't regulate "rudeness or insensitivity" of workers.
The appeals judges' disagreed.
"While restaurants are not necessarily required to have on hand large print menus that Camarillo would be able to read, they are required to ensure that their menu options are effectively communicated to individuals who. like Camarillo, are legally blind," the judges wrote.
Camarillo's lawyer, Michael O'Neill, believes this is the first time a blind or disabled person has made such a
challenge under the ADA.
"The way Alice was treated in some of these restaurants was just horrible," O'Neill said.
Lawyers for the restaurants declined to comment. mailto:tzambito at nydailyneW~LC()m tzambito at nydailyneW~LC()m
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