[nfb-talk] [nabs-l] House Said to Remove Hall Clutter

Mon Feb 4 09:06:34 CST 2008

And there are things even a dog would miss -- I'm thinking of the time I was 
in my high school gym and went to sit on some choir risers which promptly 
slid over and collapsed on my legs cause lots of fractures.  Now there was a 
sign, but of course I didn't know it was there. Oh well.  Crap happens.
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at att.net>
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:01 AM
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I had a dog for 6 months, he ran me into just is much stuff as much as I hit
with my cane, A dog helps in most cases, but they can be a really big
hassel.
people always try to pet, even though you ask them not to pet.
I tryed, but I found that useing a cane, I can find all the land marks that
a dog wouldn't show you, unless they run you into It.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:22 PM
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> Dear All,
>
> AS one of those who made the trip to Washington this year, I did not find
> the halls to be as bad as they were in past years.
> They were the worst back in 91  with the change over of Presidents as so
> many members were shifted around to new offices and committee rankings.
> That year was bad.
> We did run into some things there but nothing we don't find in most
> buildings these days.
> Sometimes the sighted feel they need to warn us before we touch something
> with our canes like they are guiding some darn electronic toy car.
> They don't realize that cane travel requires you to touch objects as you
> travel in order to navigate.
> Using a dog is different.  The dog just leads you around those objects and
> you may never even know they are there.
> Both ways can get you where you want to go, you just go about it
> differently.
> The halls did seem to have several easels in the halls to hold up signs
> and
> notices.
> Some of our people bumped into them and even knocked one down.
> I guess someone  there saw it and has just over reacted.
> I am not going to worry about it much.
> They go out of they way to remove , what they think are barriers and
> hazards
> to us, but don't help us remove the real barriers we want them to address.
> I can handle a misplaced desk ,table or chair.  I dare say that I am sure
> I
> can whip the snott out of any easel or other object they wish to place in
> the halls, but I can not make it easier to get a job,make a living and
> enjoy
> the American Dream without them listening to us and doing what is right
> for
> us.
> Why is it they never ask us what we need and then just give it to us?
> Why is everything we have to do with the Congress as tough as being pulled
> through a knot hole by our belly button?
> I don't know and maybe it is good that I am a bit hard headed because
> banging our heads against the members of Congress could wear out  the
> toughest darn hammer you can find.
>
> David Evans, NFBF
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at att.net>
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> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [nabs-l] House Said to Remove Hall Clutter
>
>
>> It's just like me today, they have about 5 feet of the sidewalk blocked
>> off,
>> for what I have no idea, but I was able to step into the street and go
>> around, It was not a big deal.
>> You just look around with your cane.
>> Now I wish that It wasn't blocked off, but I managed just fine, an am
>> here
>> to reply to this thread.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [nabs-l] House Said to Remove Hall Clutter
>>
>>
>>> La,
>>>
>>> Based on the timing of the article, I do not think the author was
>>> talking about anybody but blind people.  Were it May or June or whenever
>>> it is that the Pan-disability group hits Washington to do it's annual
>>> Congressional meetings, then I would agree with you.
>>>
>>> I agree that for a person in a wheel chair, the furniture in the halls
>>> could make for a more challenging environment.  Still, most of the folks
>>> I know in wheel chairs can see.  they just navigate around the
>>> obstacles.  Your situation is different and more complex.
>>>
>>> I do not deny that the furniture is annoying and certainly can be
>>> frustrating.  I just think it is something we as blind people can
>>> manage.
>>>
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of tribble
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:42 AM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [nabs-l] House Said to Remove Hall Clutter
>>>
>>> Excuse this diversion but don't you think the people referred to in the
>>> action might not be blind persons but rather people with other
>>> disabilities?
>>> Try navigating a hallway with a wheelchair when there is all kinds of
>>> junk
>>> standing around.  This is exacerbated if the person is also blind.  (Me
>>> in
>>> other words...) My point is that the ruling may not be made for blind
>>> citizens only.
>>> --le
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [nabs-l] House Said to Remove Hall Clutter
>>>
>>>
>>> After reading all of the postings in this string, I think Joseph is
>>> correct.  I would also like to clarify a few things.
>>>
>>> The reason for all the furniture in the halls is that the session has
>>> just started.  Every year when we arrive on the hill, the Congress has
>>> just completed the annual move process.  Congressional Offices are
>>> awarded by seniority.  So the longer you have been in the Congress, the
>>> better your office.
>>>
>>> The article also had one big error.  The furniture is not auctioned.
>>> Once all moves are done, the unwanted furniture is taken to storage and
>>> cleaned and inspected.  furniture that is damaged beyond practical
>>> repair may be auctioned.  Generally it sits in the government warehouse
>>> until some Government office needs it.  I learned this in 1995 when the
>>> huge party switch brought in lots of new Congressmen.  I asked what
>>> happened to all the furniture in the halls.
>>>
>>> Now I do not have the greatest mobility skills.  But I think we are able
>>> to get around the furniture if we try.  I also think it's very important
>>> for the Congress to see all kinds of blind people with all levels of
>>> ability.  It shows both where some of us have gotten and where some of
>>> us still need to get.  It helps us to make our points.
>>>
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of RyanO
>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:44 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [nabs-l] House Said to Remove Hall Clutter
>>>
>>> Joseph, again I say that your points are well taken. However, while
>>> diversity is certainly a universal truth, there are certain conformities
>>>
>>> where the social niceties are concerned that we must adhere to if we're
>>> ever
>>> going to get anywhere. I'm speaking of basic things like manners,
>>> personal
>>> hygiene and respect for others.
>>>
>>> You and I agree more than not. It's just this one point on which we
>>> differ.
>>>
>>>
>>> RyanO
>>>
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