[nfb-talk] Convention attendees from Wisconsin?

Sat Apr 26 19:50:19 CDT 2008

John, the ones that don't agree with either of the parties can always become 
an independant and take what they wish from both parties! However, if they 
wish to advocate for a ceratain philosophy, the they must decide which one 
most fits their philosophical  agenda! Kirk
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
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Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention attendees from Wisconsin?

This is exactly my point. The NFB is NOT a political party or a religion. It
is totally inappropriate for it to behave like either of those.

If you don't like the Democrats, you can join the Republicans. If you don't
like the Republicans, you can join the Democrats. But what am I to do if I
don't like what the NFB is doing? Join the ACB? First of all, that's not
fair because the NFB is so much more powerful. Secondly, the Democrats and
the Republicans have an adversarial relationship. Are you suggesting that
the NFB and ACB should try to thwart each other? That's not in the best
interest of blind people.

And I hope I don't have to explain why the comparison to a religious
organization is inappropriate. I certainly hope the NFB doesn't see itself
like a religion. I shouldn't have  to adhere to certain beliefs before
joining the NFB. In fact, that is really the crux of the problem. My
bbeliefs shouldn't matter. If they do, that's a very, very bad sign.

Honestly, Dave, I know you didn't mean it that way but you're lucky I'm not
an anti-NFB bigot. You go around telling people that the NFB is like a
political party or a religion, and you're just giving ammunition to people
who criticize the NFB for being cultish.

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From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention attendees from Wisconsin?

John:

You are unrealistic as concerns political
organizations.  We are going to drive away some
people, and attract others.  The democrats and
the republicans do this, the catholics and the
Presbyterians do this etc. etc. etc.  That is the way of life.

You can join, and I hope you do, but if your
ideas and goals are to different from ours,
neither you  nor we are going to be comfortable.

\Dave

At 03:20 PM 4/26/2008, you wrote:
>Well, I've been explaining this for about a week already.
>
>The NFB represents me whether I like it or not. So on that basis alone it's
>unreasonable to tell me to not join the NFB. But on a more fundamental
>level, it would be really bad if the NFB drove out people who don't agree
>with it's positions. That would be a good way for it to become a cultish
>group of extremists. The worst thing that ever happened in the blind
>community, IMO, is when the ACB broke off to do their own thing. In
>general,
>that's not ethical. You have an obligation to try to work within the rules
>to change the direction of a group and to understand that you're not always
>going to get your way.
>
>People may be saying, "Why don't you take your own advice." I do understand
>that I am not always going to get my way. I am willing to accept that and I
>can prove it. I am trying to figure out how to join the NFB. I am hoping to
>make my opinions known when I do that but, after all, I am trying to become
>part of the group. I'm not trying to destroy the NFB or even trying to
>support the opposition.
>
>To be honest, I may also join the ACB. I don't know yet. But I can prove
>that I've been urging them to work with the NFB and not against it. I'm
>sure
>their email lists are archived and I can show you messages I posted to
>their
>version of this list where I those urge their president to work with the
>NFB
>on the voting rights legislation.
>
>[Note: The ACB was sponsoring legislation nearly identical to that which
>the
>NFB produced last week. They feel that the NFB pulled the rug out from
>under
>them. I argued that that doesn't matter and that the ACB's first concern is
>what's best for blind people. Sound familiar?]
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "don nepple" <dnepple at hotmail.com>
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>Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention attendees from Wisconsin?
>
>
>
>joan if you do not like the nfb then do not go too any of the chapter
>meting
>i would like to know who you are mad at in the nfb.please rite back.don
>nepple frum boise i love the nfb.> From: ryano218 at comcast.net> To:
>nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:06:49 -0600> Subject: Re:
>[nfb-talk] Convention attendees from Wisconsin?> > Ahh, come on, Dave. I'm
>just telling it like it is. Civility is merely > dishonest warfare.> > >
>RyanO> > "You can look the other way once and it's no big deal, except it
>makes it > easier for you to compromise. Pretty soon, that's all you're
>doing is > compromising because that's how you think things are done.">
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