[nfb-talk] Domestic violence Division?

Wed Oct 3 12:36:05 CDT 2007

DEAR TERRY,

I AM NOT FLAMING YOU HERE, IT IS JUST THAT MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK IN THE 
ON POSITION.
YOU ARE RIGHT.  AS A BLIND PERSON WHO IS A BLACK BELT IN JUDO, IT WOULD BE 
HARD FOR A SIGHTED MASTER TO TEACH SOMEONE WHO CAN NOT SEE.
THAT IS PARTLY WHY I THINK THAT JUDO IS A PERFECT MARSHALL ART FOR THE BLIND 
AS IT LETS YOU USE OUR BEST SENSES TO DEFEND OURSELVES.
JUDO DOES NOT USE ALLOT OF KICKS AND HAND STRIKES TO DEFEND YOURSELF.  IT 
WORKS BEST WHEN YOU CAN GET IN CLOSE AND TOUCH THE ATTACKER.
IT USES YOUR ATTACKERS OWN SIZE, WEIGHT AND STRENGTH AGAINST THEM.
THAT IS WHY THE 90 POUND LADY CAN BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF A 225 POUND ATTACKER.
JUDO IS LEARNING HOLDS, THROWS AND LEVERAGE POSITIONS THAT CAN BRING A LARGE 
ATTACKER TO THEIR KNEES.
A SIMPLE MOVE LIKE EXTENDING YOUR RIGHT ARM UNDER YOUR ATTACKERS RIGHT ARM, 
AT THE ELBOW, AND THEN GRASPING THEIR MIDDLE FINGER AND PULLING THEIR ARM 
BACKWARDS CAN PULL THEM OVER ON THEIR BACK, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ALSO PLACE 
YOUR RIGHT FOOT BEHIND THEIR RIGHT FOOT TO BLOCK IT   AND USE THE STRENGTH 
OF YOUR LEFT HAND , AT THEIR RIGHT ELBOW HELPING YOU TO TWIST IT BACKWARD.
THEIR CHOICE IS FALL ONTO THEIR BACK OR YOU BREAK THEIR FINGER OR ARM AT THE 
WRIST.
IF FACING AN ATTACKER, YOU CAN WATCH FOR YOUR OPENING AND SMASH YOUR 
FOREHEAD INTO THEIR NOSEAND THEN KNEE THEM IN THE CROTCH, TWICE IF POSSIBLE.
THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO DISABLE AN ATTACKER USING JUDO.
YOU MIGHT CHECK OUT THE MOVIE 'MISS CONGENIALITY'S SOMETIME AND SEE HOW THE 
'SING' METHOD IS USED IN THE TALENT CONTEST.  THAT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF 
JUDO TACTICS.

DAVID EVANS, NFBF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Domestic violence Division?

> Kay;
> Maybe that is why I never got to take the class.
>
> Joe;
>
> I think classes especially for the blind would be better for us than
> going to a public class.  Blind people who have the knowledge and
> experience, need to teach us how to defend ourselves.
> How does a total know where his attacker is?  How does he know where to
> hit him?  What position is the attacher in and how do you find out when
> totally blind?  These and many, many more, only a blind, not a sighted
> person can teach us.  I know for sure, if I did not have what little
> sight I have, I could not solve these questions as of now. We need to
> take this logically.  The sighted depend totally on their eyes, and
> would not know how to teach us how to use our hearing and maybe tutch to
> do the same task.
>
> Terry Powers
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kaye zimpher [mailto:kayezimpher at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 6:35 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Domestic violence Division?
>
> You know, I remember reading something on this list about those classes,
> but I looked at the agenda over and over and saw no mention of them.
> When were they held? I thought they had been canceled.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Domestic violence Division?
>
>
>> In both types of violence, blind individuals are no more at risk than
>> their sighted counterparts.  It is my understanding that a division
>> cannot be formed without proving a unique obstacle to the blind, and
>> since self-defense classes and counseling services exist in the
>> community to professionally deal with both classifications, I do not
>> see how the organization's resources could be profitably used.  But
>> someone was correct earlier in reminding us that the Sports and
>> Recreation Division hosted several classes at convention this past
>> summer.  The division's board is taking suggestions for future
>> activities, and if a repetition of these classes should be considered,
>
>> you should contact their president to let them know.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "I came, I saw, I conquered."--Julius Caesar
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sheri Wells-Jensen" <swellsj at bgnet.bgsu.edu>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Domestic violence Division?
>>
>>
>>> Mike and all,
>>>
>>> It's important to separate the two kinds of violence we're talking
>>> about here since they need to be addressed in very different ways:
>>>
>>> I have no clear idea whether blind folks are more or les likely to be
>
>>> mugged than sighted folks in general: probably about the same if you
>>> take this as a measure of the number of pedestrians robbed or
>>> attacked by strangers rather than the number of people in general who
>
>>> may or may not be found walking as opposed to driving cars. An
>>> argument can be made that a self-defense class (or several) might
>>> help in these cases.
>>>
>>> The other kind of violence is systematic and occurs within the
>>> confines of an intimate relationship: between spouses or lovers for
>>> example.  there are stats to show that there are classes of people
>>> who are more vulnerable
>>> here:
>>> anyone, for example with limited transportation options or who is
>>> under economic stress.  A self-defense class isn't the answer in
> these cases.
>>>
>>> It's not my intention to start a discussion of what causes domestic
>>> violence in general. Rather, I meant to ask whether the NFB might
>>> already be thinking about this issue since eric broughtit up.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>>
>>> Sheri W-J
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Bullis" <mabullis at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Domestic violence Division?
>>>
>>>
>>>>A new division is seldom the answer to what ails.  You rightly point
>>>>out the  options such as  self defense training.  I think it also
>>>>comes down to  good  training.  Blind people who walk around with
>>>>their heads down and  hesitantly  are probably more vulnerable to
>>>>attack than others.  I think that  sighted  people who walk around
>>>>like this are also victimized more often as well.
>>>> Often local police forces have self defense training which involves
>>>>how  to  keep onesself from looking like a victim or a target.
>>>>
>>>> Again though, I don't think the problem of blind people being mugged
>
>>>> has ever been demonstrated to be greater than among the sighted
> population.
>>>> So,
>>>> I would suggest that a monitor article describing the problem and
>>>> some solutions might be in order.
>>>> Mike Bullis
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Sheri Wells-Jensen
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:36 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Domestic violence Division?
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Folks,
>>>> If we mean domestic violence as it is usually defined (violence
>>>> between intimate partners), it's certainly the case that women with
>>>> any kind of disability are more vulnerable than general statistics
> might suggest.
>>>> I'm
>>>> not sure if a division as such is what is needed, but it would be
>>>> nice to know if the NFB has any kind of resources for women caught
>>>> in such relationships.
>>>> Peace,
>>>>
>>>> Sheri W-J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com>
>>>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:18 PM
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Domestic violence Division?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any interest in starting a Domestic Violence Division of
>>>>> the National Federation of the Blind?  Too many times we hear of
>>>>> blind people get accosted, either because they have had no
>>>>> self-defense training, or people feel that, "i won't _ever happen
>>>>> to me!"  Women are the most vulnerable for getting mugged.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earlier, Nfb of Florida members were horrified to learn that one of
>
>>>>> their leaders was being robbed and attacked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any comments from the membership please?
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>> -
>>>>>
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