[nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169, American Braille Flag Memorial Act

T. Joseph Carter tjcarter at bluecherry.net
Mon Nov 26 22:11:55 CST 2007 

We've been arguing about whether or not blind people need a special flag
you can feel.  Obviously we don't.  And any veteran knows good and well
what the flag looks like because he'd never have been able to serve that
flag unless he could see it.  Any dead veteran who was blind prior to his
death probably doesn't need to go around feeling flags (though that would
make for one really bizarre zombie movie..)  Unquestionably this is a
waste of time and money.  Congress knows this, and they are doing it
anyway.  Makes you wonder why, doesn't it?

I had a hard time deciding whether or not to write this message, so I hope
David will forgive me, because the REAL reason for this legislation has
absolutely nothing to do with blindness and is, therefore basically
off-topic for this list.

Do you really think the congress gives a damn about blind veterans.  Do
you really?  This would be the first indication that they care about any
veterans at all.  I don't buy it.

This is just a way for them to criticize the war without going on record
for continuing to criticize it.  I mean, see what this war does?  Not only
are our soldiers dying, but the ones who don't die are being CRIPPLED!
They are being BLINDED even!  And now they can't even see that flag we
made them fight for!  But at least the good-hearted congress-critters who
truly understand the human cost of this war have the heart to give them
that much: A flag they can feel.

I don't like being part of a token group of cripples for some dim-witted
parasite to use to garner sympathy for his re-election campaign.  I only
wish I had the opportunity to personally tell them what they can do with
their token gesture.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 11:01:11PM -0500, kaye zimpher wrote:
> Hi, and first Happy Thanksgiving! As for the topic, I have never felt the 
> stars and stripes either, but I know they are there. I suppose I feel that 
> congress should be spending there time a little better. We have so many 
> other topics that need their attention blindness related and otherwise.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169, American Braille 
> Flag Memorial Act
> 
> 
> > Can't we all just get along? I am tired of all the anger and discord that 
> > we are displaying.
> > Have a happy Thanksgiving! Share some love and goodwill!
> > Hope
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > .From: "Alan Wheeler"<awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> > .Sent: 11/20/07 9:16:21 AM
> > .To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169,American 
> > Braille Flag Memorial Act
> > .
> > .I didn't think I had felt the stars & stripes on a flag, either.
> > .
> > .----- Original Message ----- 
> > .From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
> > .To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > .Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:06 AM
> > .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169, American 
> > Braille
> > .Flag Memorial Act
> > .
> > .
> > .>I have felt American flags and they do not have stars nor stripes that 
> > one
> > .>can feel.
> > .>
> > .> -----Original Message-----
> > .> .From: "Wm. Ritchhart"<william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
> > .> .Sent: 11/20/07 8:47:35 AM
> > .> .To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > .> .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169,American
> > .> Braille Flag Memorial Act
> > .> .
> > .> .Well, I cannot believe that any blind person cannot distinguish the
> > .> .stars and stripes on an American flag.  All you have to do is touch 
> > it.
> > .> .I am sorry to hear that the Congress is wasting time on this one.
> > .> .
> > .> .
> > .> .William
> > .> .
> > .> .
> > .> .-----Original Message-----
> > .> .From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > .> .On Behalf Of Bill Outman
> > .> .Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:00 AM
> > .> .To: NFB of Florida Listserv
> > .> .Cc: Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List
> > .> .Subject: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169,American Braille
> > .> .Flag Memorial Act
> > .> .
> > .> .Thought this was an interesting article.
> > .> .
> > .> .Enjoy.
> > .> .
> > .> .Bill Outman
> > .> .Daytona Beach, Florida
> > .> .
> > .> .----- Original Message -----
> > .> .From: Andy Baracco <wq6r at socal.rr.com>
> > .> .To: <acb-l at acb.org>
> > .> .Cc: <whoweare at yahoogroups.com>
> > .> .Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:26 AM
> > .> .Subject: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169, American Braille Flag Memorial
> > .> .Act
> > .> .
> > .> .
> > .> .> This is neat!
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Andy
> > .> .>
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Tiahrt Introduces American Braille Flag Memorial Bill
> > .> .>
> > .> .> WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Goddard) this week introduced
> > .> .the
> > .> .> American Braille Flag Memorial Bill. The bi-partisan legislation 
> > would
> > .> .> authorize
> > .> .>
> > .> .> the placement of an American Braille tactile flag in Arlington
> > .> .National
> > .> .> Cemetery honoring blind members of the Armed Forces, veterans, and
> > .> .other
> > .> .> Americans.
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Tiahrt was joined by Kansas Reps. Jerry Moran (R-Hays) and Nancy 
> > Boyda
> > .> .> (D-Topeka) along with 14 others in co-sponsoring the bill, along 
> > with
> > .> .an
> > .> .> endorsement
> > .> .>
> > .> .> by the Blind Veterans of America.
> > .> .>
> > .> .> "Arlington National Cemetery is a national place of remembrance and
> > .> .honor
> > .> .> for our Nation's veterans, and visited by an estimated 4 million
> > .> .people
> > .> .> annually,"
> > .> .>
> > .> .> said Tiahrt. "Placing the Braille America Flag here would bring 
> > honor
> > .> .to
> > .> .our
> > .> .> nation's blind community and allow our blind veterans to "see" the
> > .> .American
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Flag again."
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Currently, the United States has over 1,000,000 blind and low-vision
> > .> .> veterans. The Department of Defense estimates that 16% of those
> > .> .injured in
> > .> .> Operation
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom suffer from severe 
> > vision
> > .> .loss.
> > .> .> An additional 10-12 million Americans have blind and low vision.
> > .> .>
> > .> .> However, prior to the creation of the Braille American Flag the
> > .> .American
> > .> .> flag was not accessible to the blind. This flag, created by the 
> > Kansas
> > .> .> Braille
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Transcription Institute, in Wichita, Kansas, has been specially
> > .> .designed
> > .> .in
> > .> .> a way that informs the blind of the full color of the American flag,
> > .> .13
> > .> .> stripes,
> > .> .>
> > .> .> and fifty stars on the blue field. Additionally, this tactile flag
> > .> .bears
> > .> .the
> > .> .> American Pledge of Allegiance in both raised print and Grade One
> > .> .Braille.
> > .> .>
> > .> .> November 13, 2007
> > .> .>
> > .> .> # # #
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Eric Bridges
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Director of Advocacy and Governmental Affairs
> > .> .>
> > .> .> American Council of the Blind
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Phone: (202) 467-5081
> > .> .>
> > .> .> Fax: (202) 467-5085
> > .> .>
> > .> .>
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