[nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169, AmericanBrailleFlag Memorial Act

Fri Nov 23 16:51:47 CST 2007

Acording to one of my fellow scout leaders, (& I unfortunately didn't question his sources), any flag used for ceremonial purposes should be one of the sewn flags (& I would think that flying over a national monument would be considered ceremonial)
David

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From: "Wm. Ritchhart"<william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: 11/21/07 12:13:42 AM
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169, AmericanBrailleFlag Memorial Act

Also, many, (most), American flags are now made in China.  My guess is
that these cheap Chinese made flags are the ones that cannot be
distinguished by touch.

I own a flag that was flown over the U.S.S. Arizona Memorial.  It is in
a special wrapper identifying it.  So I cannot determine if it is one
that can be distinguished tactually.  

Still, all that needs to occur is for the Army or U.S. Department of the
Interior to purchase higher quality American flags for Arlington
National Cemetery.  They could do that without an act of Congress.
There is a company in Georgia or Alabama that makes high quality
American flags.  The problem would be solved.  Of course an American
made flag would cost more.  

William

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On Behalf Of David W Bundy
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169,American
BrailleFlag Memorial Act

The better made flags have pieces sewn together in the different colors
& the stars embroidered on the blue field.  You *can* feel the stars  &
stripes on these flagsEven on the cheaper, print 

Flags you can sometimes differettiate the stars & stripes if you feel
just right, but it is difficult.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]"<powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
Sent: 11/20/07 9:45:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169, American
BrailleFlag Memorial Act

I agree Hope.  I was about to say the same.  The NFB flag pin is the
only flag that the stars and stripes can actually be felt, that I know
of.  Those newly blinded are less likely to be able to feal and
distinguish a design than one who has been blind for a while.

Terry Powers

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Hein [mailto:hmhein at verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:06 AM
To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
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Braille Flag Memorial Act

I have felt American flags and they do not have stars nor stripes that
one can feel.

-----Original Message-----
.From: "Wm. Ritchhart"<william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
.Sent: 11/20/07 8:47:35 AM
.To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
.Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169,American
Braille Flag Memorial Act .
.Well, I cannot believe that any blind person cannot distinguish the
.stars and stripes on an American flag.  All you have to do is touch it.
.I am sorry to hear that the Congress is wasting time on this one. 
.
.
.William
. 
.
.-----Original Message-----
.From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
.On Behalf Of Bill Outman
.Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:00 AM
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.Subject: [nfb-talk] Fw: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169,American Braille
.Flag Memorial Act .
.Thought this was an interesting article.
.
.Enjoy.
.
.Bill Outman
.Daytona Beach, Florida
.
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.Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:26 AM
.Subject: [acb-l] Fwd: [CCB-L] H.R.4169, American Braille Flag Memorial
.Act .
.
.> This is neat!
.>
.> Andy
.>
.>
.> Tiahrt Introduces American Braille Flag Memorial Bill .> .>
WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Goddard) this week introduced .the
.> American Braille Flag Memorial Bill. The bi-partisan legislation
would .> authorize .> .> the placement of an American Braille tactile
flag in Arlington .National .> Cemetery honoring blind members of the
Armed Forces, veterans, and .other .> Americans.
.>
.> Tiahrt was joined by Kansas Reps. Jerry Moran (R-Hays) and Nancy
Boyda .> (D-Topeka) along with 14 others in co-sponsoring the bill,
along with .an .> endorsement .> .> by the Blind Veterans of America.
.>
.> "Arlington National Cemetery is a national place of remembrance and
.honor .> for our Nation's veterans, and visited by an estimated 4
million .people .> annually,"
.>
.> said Tiahrt. "Placing the Braille America Flag here would bring honor
.to .our .> nation's blind community and allow our blind veterans to
"see" the .American .> .> Flag again."
.>
.> Currently, the United States has over 1,000,000 blind and low-vision
.> veterans. The Department of Defense estimates that 16% of those
.injured in .> Operation .> .> Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring
Freedom suffer from severe vision .loss.
.> An additional 10-12 million Americans have blind and low vision.
.>
.> However, prior to the creation of the Braille American Flag the
.American .> flag was not accessible to the blind. This flag, created by
the Kansas .> Braille .> .> Transcription Institute, in Wichita, Kansas,
has been specially .designed .in .> a way that informs the blind of the
full color of the American flag,
.13
.> stripes,
.>
.> and fifty stars on the blue field. Additionally, this tactile flag
.bears .the .> American Pledge of Allegiance in both raised print and
Grade One .Braille.
.>
.> November 13, 2007
.>
.> # # #
.>
.> Eric Bridges
.>
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