[nfb-talk] My Thoughts, state con attendance

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Mon Nov 12 14:40:42 CST 2007


One more thing to add to what Jim says:

Part of the impetus for the original "Civil War" was that some of the 
NFB ledership of that day aspired to being NFB President but found 
themselves up against a vote getter, Dr. tenBroek, who, like FDR, would 
win any election he ran in. These discontented leaders were exploited by 
reactionary agencies bent upon sewing mischief and mayhem within NFB; 
they succeeded for a while but ultimately failed.

One other point: Jim writes of Bob Acosta's expulsion from NFB. It is a 
matter of record that he co-mingled NFB of California money with his 
own. Likewise, when he was in ACB, he misused some of their money, 
making credit card purchases on their dime. Needless-to-say, they 
weren't much happier with him ultimately than were we. (grin)

An interesting point: what if we were to be more specific in our 
constitutions and specify that a person must be convicted in a court of 
law of an offense before it was actionable as an expulsion ground. What 
do we do in the meantime? Put starkly, had O J been a NFB member, would 
the fact that the jury acquitted him in the criminal trial have forced 
us to keep him even though he were a liability?

All I'm saying is that when one deals with the real world, things are 
more complex than idealists would like.

Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Aldrich
  To: NFB Talk Mailing List
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My Thoughts, state con attendance


  Hi Melissa,

  I think you are on the right track!  Just remember no man made 
organization
  is perfect.  I for one believe the NFB is still the best choice we 
have
  available to us today for dealing with our true problems, crisis, and 
best
  of all solutions for a good many things!  We truly are a positive
  organization.

  Try this simple test!  Get a bunch of toothpicks.  You'll readily see 
that
  you can easily break one of them!  Try breaking the entire bunch and 
you
  will see that their is indeed strength in numbers!  I was told this 
very
  thing when I was in my twenties complete with the bunch of toothpicks!

  I believe membership in the NFB is a two way street!  you can go it 
alone,
  help some people as well as yourself and you may succeed very well! 
You may
  even find new solutions to some perplexing problems!  But what happens 
when
  the going gets rough for you?  Will you have the resources to deal 
with your
  individual crisis?  Might there be anyone around you who really cares?
  Would you have access to good legal counsul which truly understands 
your
  situation?  Is it possible you might be spending much time reinventing 
the
  wheel and not enough time really getting what you wish to accomplish
  completed?  So you go through all that effort only to discover the 
wheel you
  invented already had been invented long ago so you ask yourself, why 
did I
  not see whether the wheel was invented first so I could get the needed
  information and resources to complete my project!  You might discover 
you
  could have saved yourself a great deal of time and trouble utilizing 
the
  resources of the National Federation of the Blind.  If you had not 
tried to
  reinvent the wheel for yourself!  You would have accomplished much 
more in a
  shorter period of time!  The solutions you may have reached could have
  helped many more people much more quickly because of the numbers of 
members
  within the NFB.  If you were truly inventing a new wheel, I think you 
would
  save time doing so with all the help and resources which would be 
available
  to you!  This is certainly something to ponder!
  What we call the Civil War Period came about for a variety of reasons!
  There was much opposition to the idea that blind people could organize 
and
  we the blind could speak for ourselves!  We were becoming successful 
with
  our early objectives!  We had money in the bank and we had remarkable 
growth
  very quickly!  We had affiliates in most of the 48 states!  The 
established
  professional agencies and workshops, which had control over the lives 
of
  many blind persons felt this self organizing of the blind would put 
them out
  of business!  We are talking about such organizations as then the 
American
  Association of Workers for the Blind, something called Blind 
Industries,
  can't recall the full name, a host of state services for the blind and 
The
  American Foundation for the Blind.  The outside pressure upon us was 
fierce!
  Never mind that the sheltered shops paid less than minimum wage, never 
mind
  we were spoken to as small children regardless of our age, never mind 
these
  professionals in many of these agencies had little faith in our 
abilities as
  blind people!  They insisted we as blind people couldn't make it 
without
  them!  They said they made our lives more bearable in so many words! 
There
  were people within the NFB who had jobs in some of these repressive
  agencies!  They didn't want a strong clear cut position statement 
against
  these well meaning  agencies as they put it!  They wanted us to tread
  lightly!  They also had problems with the governance of the NFB. 
Those
  wishing to tread lightly against the agencies at that time also wanted 
some
  changes in the governance of the organization.  They broke away since 
the
  majority went against them and they formed what is now the American 
Council
  of the Blind.  The NFB survived this crisis and is now the large
  organization with many resources we appreciate today!

  There were other challenges to come!  I too don't like the expulsion 
clauses
  in our chapter, state and national constitutions but they came about 
for
  very good reason because of human nature I would say!
  You can easily document what I'm talking about by looking through past
  issues of the Braille Monitor.

  There were affiliates which were expelled and some which remained 
which had
  their original names.  In Illinois, it was the Illinois Federation of 
the
  blind.  In Missouri, the Missouri Federation of the Blind.  California 
was
  known as the California Council of the Blind even though it was 
affiliated
  with the NFB!  Others had Association and other ways of identifying 
their
  affiliates!  This was indeed confusing!  One didn't always know 
whether the
  affiliate they joined was part of the Federation, Council or not 
affiliated
  with any National organization at all!  Some used the United Blind of
  (blank) as an organizational name.  Our national organization took 
legal
  action so that the Federation name could be uniform for all of the
  affiliates within the Federation!  This did indeed start quite a stir 
among
  the blind in the 70s!  Fortunately for everyone in and out of the
  Federation, we prevailed and now one clearly knows when they have 
joined the
  Federation in all states except Montana I think!  I'm writing a post 
about
  this to our Montana list.  We haven't settled this question here yet! 
We
  have been known as the Montana Association for the Blind since 1946 I
  believe!  Some of us here feel at a minimum we should be known as 
Montana
  Association for the Blind doing business as the National Federation of 
the
  Blind of Montana.  I personally would rather see it be The National
  Federation of the Blind of Montana.  This and other matters didn't set 
well
  with a leader in California and perhaps other leaders in other states. 
The
  California leader had quite a following!  I think this leader thought 
he was
  above the elected leadership of the National Organization!  He didn't 
care
  about the majority of the board of directors or the members in the 
various
  states!  His word was the policy if it meant his own best interest! 
He had
  quite a following!  He and his followers were expelled by the national
  leadership!  This is a simplistic explanation but it happened!  That 
same
  leader joined the council and was expelled from there as well!  I'm 
not
  certain whether it was just him or it included his followers as well, 
I
  really don't know for certain!  You can still find him working with
  something he calls helping  hands for the blind.  I certainly 
appreciate any
  good he accomplished in and out of the NFB but he was strong willed 
and he
  didn't respect the constitutions of the Federation.  I'm referring to
  chapter, state and national constitutions.  Unfortunately, there had 
to be a
  mechanism in place for dealing with such persons who wished to live 
above
  the law so to speak!

  Have you ever joined the ACB-L  list lately?  The ACB says it is so
  democratic but wow!  they are really putting restrictions on their 
list as
  to how many posts one can send etc.  If you try to post more than you
  should, you could be bumped from the list.  I for one never heard such
  stupidity come from what is suppose to be educated people!  I think 
they had
  some good things on the list but I felt they were so negative and 
dealt with
  such trivial stuff!  I left some months ago!  My wife left the list 
last
  night!

  I wish you the very best in your search concerning the truth and 
history and
  programs as they are now with the NFB.  It is true this list had to 
drop
  some impossible people but I think you will have freedom of expression 
here
  if you express yourself in a reasonable manner.  You will learn much 
from
  here too!

  Do take care!

  Jim Aldrich


      ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Milissa Garside" <milissa.g79 at gmail.com>
  To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My Thoughts, state con attendance


  Hello All,

  I have been reading this thread and have some thoughts to add.

  With respect to convention attendance, as many have already said, I 
think
  younger people are less likely to attend because there are many other 
things
  occupying our time. As a result, it is also difficult for younger 
people to
  connect with other younger people at a convention. Like Mike has said,
  joining a civil rights organization does not hold the appeal that it 
once
  did.

  As a relatively younger blind person, (I am 28) I grew up in 
Massachusetts
  where there is a big ACB population. Growing up, I knew nothing about 
the
  NFB or the ACB. I never knew they existed until I was about 16. Since
  Massachusetts is such a big ACB State, I naturally was introduced to 
the ACB
  first. Although I first learned about the ACB when I was 16, I never 
really
  got involved until I was 23. During my time in ACB, I heard nothing 
but bad
  things about the NFB. At first, I took what was said at face value and
  accepted that the NFB was "the dark side." As I heard more and more 
bad
  things about the NFB, I decided to investigate it for myself.

  Upon learning more about the NFB, I was impressed with the philosophy 
which
  I unknowingly already had. I just didn't know that it was the 
philosophy
  that the NFB prides itself on. As I talked to my local NFB president, 
I
  began to realize how much my personal beliefs were truly in line with 
the
  NFB philosophy. For a brief time, I was heavily involved with my local 
NFB
  chapter and enjoyed it.

  All that said however, I am currently not a member of either 
organization.
  While I strongly believe in the NFB philosophy, I do not agree with 
the
  current structure of the leadership. I take issue with some parts of 
the NFB
  constitution. Such as the provision whereby a person can be expelled 
from
  the NFB based upon miss conduct. In the constitution, there is not a
  definition of what "miss conduct" is. As a result, "miss conduct" is 
widely
  open for interpretation and is subject to a whole myriad of unknown 
reasons
  why a person may be expelled from the NFB. In that regard, the NFB 
does not
  fully engage in a democratic structure. By no means am I invalidating 
all
  the great things that the NFB has and still does accomplish. As a very
  political person, I just find it hard to be a member of an 
organization
  where I find faults with the guiding document of the organization.

  With respect to the organization split, I do not believe that there 
should
  be two national organizations. Currently, I am reading "People of 
Vision",
  the book on the history of the ACB. Upon finishing this book, I am 
going to
  read "marching Alone and Walking Together" to obtain a full and 
complete
  understanding why many were expelled and chose to leave the NFB. I am 
going
  to reserve full judgment and comments of what happened until I have 
read
  both books. But, I feel that having two apposing organizations hinders 
the
  blind in many capacities.

  Something that I have experienced which is a huge turn off as a 
younger
  person is being told by "older" people in both organizations that as a
  younger person, I know nothing about fighting for my rights and 
advocating
  for myself and that because of all the technology, I have it so much 
easier.
  While it is true that in terms of technology, we do have it much 
easier, the
  reason we have it easier is a result of all the people who worked hard 
and
  advocated for our rights and for accessible technology. However, its 
these
  same people who seem to be bitter that we have it so much easier in 
terms of
  technology. In terms of advocating, we younger people still have to 
advocate
  for ourselves. Just because the laws are now in place and there is
  technology, does not mean that everything falls into place. I have had 
to
  advocate for myself since I was a freshman in high school and all 
through
  college. I have had to do it and do it well. Although we do not have 
to
  advocate to change or implement new laws, younger people have to fight 
and
  advocate for the laws to be used as they should be.

  Another issue I often come across is that simply because I am blind, 
that I
  need to be apart of one of the organizations to keep up the good 
fight.
  While I believe that we all need to educate and keep up the good 
fight, I do
  not believe that one needs to be apart of an organization to be 
successful
  in this endeavor. I am an independent thinker and find faults with 
both
  organizations. While there are positive things about each 
organization, I
  believe that the NFB does the most good for the blind community as a 
whole.
  That said however, I can not sacrifice my misgivings about the NFB
  constitution and be a member.

  As a blind person that does not belong to either organization, I am 
able to
  effectively advocate for myself and others. I also believe that the 
NFB can
  be very helpful to me in terms of befriending other like minded people 
and
  learning many things along the way. For example, I am planning on 
going to
  the Colorado Center for the Blind in January for some brush up 
independent
  living training. If I ever need assistance, I know that the NFB is a 
strong
  organization of blind people who might be able to help me. I think we 
can
  all fight the good fight in our own way in our own corner of the world 
and
  if we choose to fight the good fight outside of an organization, that 
is ok
  too.

  sometimes older blind people think that we younger people are 
ungrateful and
  don't fully appreciate all that has been done to enable blind people 
to live
  independently . I can't speak for all younger people but, I am very 
grateful
  to all the blind people who have come before me, who have fought hard 
and
  who have made it possible for me to live the type of life I am able to 
live
  today. I am grateful to the blind people who have sacrificed many 
things in
  order for me to have the rights I have today as a blind person. I 
thank all
  those who have come before me and made the fight a little easier for 
me. I
  don't forget that without the hard and persistent work of the NFB, 
blind
  people would not be where we are today.

  These are simply some of my thoughts. I am not writing them down to 
cause
  mayhem. I am interested in creating dialogue and sparking some good 
thinking
  on this list.

  Milissa



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
  To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance


  > Chris:
  >
  > With great respeect, I think you have not just a chip but a whole 
forest
  > on your shoulder as regards volunteers at convention. NFB has them 
also
  > but they are very unobtrusive and only help when asked and, frankly,
  > don't help in areas wherein blind persons should be able to do for
  > themselves. Lest you think I'm being preachy, I'm thinking of what
  > happened at a recent WCB (Washington Council of the Blind -- WCB)
  > convention wherein convention-goers who came on a WCB bus were told 
to
  > put labels on their bags so that volunteers could find their bags 
for
  > them (no thought that the passengers would find their own bags) and 
also
  > there were volunteers to unpack and repack the bags of 
convention-goers.
  > I'm sorry but that's plumb ridiculous.
  >
  > I agree with you that such things as appliance access are looming 
large
  > in the inaccessibility department. But ACB is no more equipped to 
solve
  > that problem than are we in NFB. Everyone may talk a good line about 
how
  > wonderful "universal access" is but it ain't gonna happen. Why? 
Because
  > manufacturers and, by extension, the general public, aren't going to 
pay
  > for it. There are many more sighted persons than there are blind
  > persons.
  >
  > Eventually, litigation may make a difference -- that's where your
  > lawsuit and ours come into the picture. But there's a lot of case 
law to
  > be made before such suits can be made effective.
  >
  > Moreover, when we worry about equal access, what do we really mean? 
How
  > do we specify it legally? And do we mean access for the tech-savvy 
or
  > for those who haven't a clue insofar as computer use are concerned.
  > Accessibility, at least in terms of software, is a moving target and
  > probably always be about two steps ahead of us. But we must keep on
  > fighting. But we must act intelligently and not go off half-cocked. 
Just
  > claiming, as ACB often does, that if the sighted have it, the blind
  > ought to also won't cut it because, in the end, the only way that 
can
  > happen is for all blind persons to regain their sight which won't
  > happen. What we must strive for is access that's "good enough" --  
that
  > allows us to compete.
  >
  > By writing the foregoing, I am not minimizing your concerns; I tend 
to
  > share them although I think the solutions aren't as simple as many 
of us
  > would like them to be. So we're not so far apart on these matters as 
I
  > may sound.
  >
  > However, I am going to challenge you a bit on the convention bit and
  > about NFB governance. Mostly, what I here from you is "can't can't 
can't
  > can't". Have you talked with your local chapter about getting a 
national
  > convention scholarship? How about Robert Stigel, your affiliate
  > President? And, believe me, there's a lot for state affiliates to 
do;
  > the national leadership cannot handle a majority of what NFB does. 
So
  > have you run for local office? How about state office? How many 
projects
  > have you volunteered for in the last six months for your local 
chapter
  > president? How about for the state affiliate?
  >
  > In other words, the NFB really is all of us. Quit complaining about 
how
  > you are de facto being excluded ang get in there and pitch! WE need 
you
  > and you need us!
  >
  > And get that block of wood off your shoulder! (broad smile)
  >
  > Mike
  >
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Chris Westbrook
  >  To: NFB Talk Mailing List
  >  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:36 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
  >
  >
  >  Mike, you make some good points. Being a young blind person myself, 
I
  > think
  >  it's sad that many younger blind people view progress as inevitable
  > and feel
  >  no need to join an organization.  On the other hand, I'm not really
  > sure
  >  what NFB is really doing to stop the tide from turning against us 
The
  >  biggest issue I see looming ahead is a loss of access to 
information.
  > This
  >  could be due to inaccessible computer software, inaccessible
  > appliances, or
  >  any number of other things I haven't thought of.  On the 
inaccessible
  >  appliances front, we had a home showcase at convention, but do you
  > really
  >  think that will make a difference?  I'm sure most manufacturers 
really
  > don't
  >  care whether their products were coincidentally sort of accessible. 
I
  > hope
  >  our NFB Jernigan Institute can eventually help with this area. 
That
  > leads
  >  me to my next point, which is what mike said about some people
  > believing
  >  that the national leadership are the experts.  I see the NFB as a 
very
  > top
  >  down organization with much of it's activity happening at the 
national
  >  level.  I wonder if in the future the NFB will become more and more
  > focused
  >  on it's Jernigan institute and basically be a clearinghouse for
  > research and
  >  product design, while the ACB does most of the advocacy work?  I 
know
  > for
  >  myself I really don't see that many ways for a rank and file member 
to
  >  influence policy, especially if they can't come to convention but 
even
  > if
  >  they can.
  >
  >  Also, I really think people in NFB need to relax and realize that 
not
  > every
  >  blind person has had great training or has the ability to do
  > everything
  >  independently.  I know ACB has been criticized for having 
volunteers
  > at
  >  their convention, and frankly I find that kind of amusing when 
NFB's
  >  leadership always has someone going sighted guide with them.  IF 
it's
  > good
  >  enough for the leadership, why is it not good enough for the 
general
  >  membership?  If you don't want the help, just refuse it, but don't
  > keep
  >  someone like me from using help that we may need.  On another note, 
I
  >  frankly think ACB is better equipped to handle the challenges of 
the
  > future.
  >  Yes, they can be a bit more demanding than necessary, but I think 
we
  > as
  >  blind people are going to have to do more and more of that as time
  > goes on.
  >  NFB's philosophy is too focused on always being independence and 
this
  > whole
  >  idea of blindness being a nuisance and not that big of a deal.  I'm
  > afraid
  >  the NFB will suddenly wake up one day when all microwaves and other
  >  appliances are flat paneled with no way to use them effectively, 
there
  > are
  >  no usable telephones, all keyboards are completely touch screen and
  > wonder,
  >  gee how did we get here?  I think I may be exaggerating slightly, 
but
  > I
  >  don't think I'm exaggerating as much as some may think.  My only
  > consolation
  >  is that when things start getting worse, we will wake up and 
disregard
  > what
  >  Kenneth Jernigan said in his speech "the day after civil rights"
  > whenever
  >  that is, and start fighting again.  I just hope it's not too late.
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
  >  To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:02 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
  >
  >
  >  > Ray:
  >  >
  >  > Welcome to the way the "other half" lives. Here in Washington, we
  >  > consider we're doing an outstanding job if we get seventy-five to
  > eighty
  >  > people at our state banquet. Unlike at national conventions, our
  >  > banquets are more well attended than are our plenary convention
  > sessions
  >  > as some convention participants bring guests to the banquet who 
do
  > not
  >  > attend the rest of the convention.
  >  >
  >  > Of course, part of the problem here in Washington is that, 
whether
  > we
  >  > admit it or not, we're still suffering from the organizational 
split
  >  > that accompanied the whole Robert Acosta business in the late 
1970's
  >  > when the then-affiliate for Washington was expelled (or chose to
  > leave,
  >  > depending upon one's viewpoint) and was reorganized. The old
  > affiliate
  >  > eventually joined ACB so that ACB is considerably larger 
numerically
  >  > than is NFB in Washington. In the legislature, however, it is we 
of
  > NFB
  >  > who are known for getting things done.
  >  >
  >  > AFfiliates east of the Mississippi such as Massachusetts are far
  > larger
  >  > than are our affiliates out here with the exception of 
California.
  > WE
  >  > are, in Shakespeare's terms, "we happy few". But NFB is where the
  > action
  >  > is.
  >  >
  >  > On the original subject, what I see in terms of dwindling 
convention
  >  > attendance and grousing about the irrelevance of convention 
material
  >  > stems, I believe, from a number of trends in society today. 
First,
  >  > society is, in general, much more fragmented than was the case
  > thirty or
  >  > forty years ago. People move around the country much more often 
than
  >  > heretofore and, hence, don't put down roots and make as many 
lasting
  >  > local friendships. (When was the last time you attended a "block
  >  > party"?) They are thus less likely to have great circles of
  > friends --
  >  > arguably a prerequisit for easy growth of organizations.
  >  >
  >  > Second, perhaps because society is more fragmented and because 
there
  > are
  >  > more venues of entertainment (cable TV, the Internet, video games
  > and
  >  > the like), I believe that people are far less likely to be 
"joiners"
  >  > then was the case even twenty years ago. There are too many other
  > things
  >  > competing for their time.
  >  >
  >  > Third, I believe that it is fair to say that the 1960's and 
1970's
  > were
  >  > decades of activism. Whatever your thoughts are concerning the 
war
  > in
  >  > Iraq, note the vast difference between the small anti-war
  > demonstrations
  >  > of today and the mass protests against the Vietnam war from 1964 
to
  >  > 1975. WE of NFB, like many other activist organizations, are the
  > victims
  >  > of the paradigm shift from activism to indifference and (see 
above)
  > from
  >  > the paradigm of working to make changes to being entertained.
  >  >
  >  > Fourth, I believe that, rightly or wrongly, many young blind 
people
  >  > today see all the progress that the blind have made over the
  > previous
  >  > two generations toward a world of equality with the sighted and
  > conclude
  >  > that continued progress in this arena is inevitable. Obviously, I
  >  > disagree with this assessment and, in fact, I am worried that we
  > might
  >  > be on the verge of slipping backward, making NFB even more of a
  >  > necessity than it may have been twenty years ago. Couple this 
with
  > laws
  >  > mandating provision of services such as DSS offices at 
universities
  > and
  >  > this is a recipe for organizational lacitude IMO. I opine that 
many
  >  > young people do not recognize that provision of some of these
  > services
  >  > constitutes a wolf in sheep's clothing and, hence, when they hit 
the
  >  > "real world" and encounter businesses that don't automatically
  > provide
  >  > them with all the high-tech gadgetry they think they need, they
  >  > interpret the problem as one of discrmination rather than one 
simply
  > of
  >  > the way the world works. All this is to say that many blind 
people
  > of
  >  > all ages today don't see why they need to gain advocacy skills or
  > pay
  >  > attention to all the "dull" stuf involving politics or their
  > agencies
  >  > for the blind. Let "the experts" do it. And while many would 
agree
  > with
  >  > us that agency moguls may not be the "experts", some are 
beginning
  > to
  >  > see *us* as the "experts",where by "us" I mean NFB leadership. In
  > other
  >  > words, I'm not sure that the rank-and-file always sees that it 
has a
  >  > stake in what's happening or that it really has the power to 
change
  >  > things.
  >  >
  >  > This problem is not unique to NFB: ACB has it also. The 
"advantage",
  > if
  >  > one wishes to call it that, that ACB has is that often its
  > affiliates
  >  > conduct many more social functions than do NFB affiliates -- at
  > least
  >  > it's like that out here in the Pacific Northwest. When, for 
example,
  > was
  >  > the last time you attended a NFB affiliate convention where a
  > comedian
  >  > was the featured banquet speaker? It has happend in ACB 
affiliates
  > out
  >  > here.
  >  >
  >  > Now I would hazard that this sort of fluff is not what we in NFB
  > truly
  >  > want. But to make changes, we must understand why what we're 
doing
  > may
  >  > not always appeal to "the masses" and, therefore, must decide
  > whether we
  >  > can incorporate other items into our conventions that might gain
  >  > interest and not cause groans of "same ol' same ol'" while at the
  > same
  >  > time not betraying our NFB heritage and philosophy.
  >  >
  >  > I don't have the answer but I value the discussions as we may
  >  > collectively come up with ideas that might work for all of us.
  >  >
  >  > Mike Freeman, President
  >  > NFB of Washington
  >  >
  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  From: Ray Foret Jr
  >  >  To: NFB Talk Mailing List
  >  >  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:37 AM
  >  >  Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  Edd, I am floored!!!  Are you truly telling us that at your last
  > New
  >  >  Hampshire state NFB convention, y'all only had 30 attendees? 
Only
  > 30?
  >  > What
  >  >  is y'all's membership compared to that number?  I just cannot 
get
  > my
  >  > mind
  >  >  around the idea of y'all putting all that work in to an all day
  > state
  >  >  convention and having only 30 people there.  Perhaps you might
  > inquire
  >  > of
  >  >  your members just what the issues are which cause them not to
  > attend
  >  > y'all's
  >  >  convention.  From what I gather, you say in your message that 
folks
  >  > were
  >  >  complaining that the program items were "so so".  If I'm not
  > mistaken,
  >  > we
  >  >  usually have over 100 folks at the Louisiana NFB state 
convention.
  >  > How
  >  >  about I forward your message on to Pam Allan and she can maybe
  > suggest
  >  > what
  >  >  you might want to consider.
  >  >
  >  >  Sincerely yours,
  >  >  The Constantly Barefooted,
  >  >  Ray
  >  >  Home phone and fax:
  >  >  (985)853-0139
  >  >  E-mail:
  >  >  rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
  >  >  Skype Name:
  >  >  barefootedray
  >  >  Blog:
  >  >  www.raysworld.blogs.com
  >  >  Podcast .rss Feed:
  >  >  http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
  >  >
  >  >  God bless President George W. Bush!
  >  >  God bless our troops!
  >  >  and God bless America
  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  From: "Ed Meskys" <edmeskys at localnet.com>
  >  >  To: "nfb-talk" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >  >  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:44 AM
  >  >  Subject: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  When I first became NH state president in 1988 the first few 
state
  >  >  conventions I put on had about 100-120 attendees, up about 20% 
from
  >  > the
  >  >  previous president, because I did a lot of outreach to find 
former
  > and
  >  > new
  >  >  members, and initiated a state newsletter. We had been drifting
  > down
  >  > ever
  >  >  since, to under 50. Last year we had our 50th anniversary, and 
got
  >  > more
  >  >  attendees, but with people muttering about our programs being 
the
  >  > "same old,
  >  >  same old." This year we decided to devote our whole morning to a
  > topic
  >  >  important to blind persons and many others in a rural state, the
  >  > future of
  >  >  transportation in NH. We made it a one-day con, with a luncheon
  >  > banquet, and
  >  >  the National report, some technology, mobility, and our business
  >  > meeting in
  >  >  he afternoon. With the help of Blind Services, the talking book
  >  > library, the
  >  >  Governor's Commission on Disabilities, and Granite State
  > Independent
  >  > Living
  >  >  (Foundation) we distributed over 2000 flyers, and aside from
  > program
  >  >  participants we had only 30 attendees. Our officers are very
  >  > disappointed,
  >  >  and are saying it cost so much money to put on and advertise the
  > con,
  >  > and
  >  >  put in so much work, that we will pull back and only have a
  > business
  >  > meeting
  >  >  with lunch in the back room of a restaurant next year. Are other
  >  > states
  >  >  having the same problem getting attendance at a con?
  >  >
  >  >  We are using an Imagination Grant to put on a one-day tech expo
  > next
  >  > April,
  >  >  which is not a convention (cons are normally in October or
  > November).
  >  > If
  >  >  this flops too, I think the board will be devastated. We lined 
up
  > an
  >  >  excellent panel of five experts and administrators for the
  >  > transportation
  >  >  panel, and are working on getting excellent speakers for the 
tech
  >  > expo.
  >  >
  >  >  Incidentally, the results of our state elections were:
  >  >  continuing constitutional officers:
  >  >  Marie Johnson, President
  >  >  Gil Vickery, FVP.
  >  >  Judy Leavitt, SVP
  >  >  Ed Meskys, secretary
  >  >  Lucille Lynch, treasurer
  >  >  and our new slate of untitled board positions is:
  >  >  Julie Clark (new)
  >  >  Wayne Harvey (new)
  >  >  Donald Little (new)
  >  >  John Parker (returning)
  >  >  Stephen Yerardi (returning)
  >  >
  >  >  Best, Ed Meskys
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  Edmund R. Meskys
  >  >  NIEKAS Publications
  >  >  National Federation of the Blind of N.H.
  >  >  Moultonboro Lions Club
  >  >  edmeskys at localnet.com
  >  >  322 Whittier Hwy
  >  >  Moultonboro NH 03254-3627
  >  >  my credo:
  >  >  Clinton lied, nothing happened
  >  >  Bush lied, thousands died
  >  >  and over 3,000 permanently brain injured
  >  >
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One more thing to add to what Jim says:
 
Part of the impetus for the original "Civil War" was that some of the NFB ledership of that day aspired to being NFB President but found themselves up against a vote getter, Dr. tenBroek, who, like FDR, would win any election he ran in. These discontented leaders were exploited by reactionary agencies bent upon sewing mischief and mayhem within NFB; they succeeded for a while but ultimately failed.
 
One other point: Jim writes of Bob Acosta's expulsion from NFB. It is a matter of record that he co-mingled NFB of California money with his own. Likewise, when he was in ACB, he misused some of their money, making credit card purchases on their dime. Needless-to-say, they weren't much happier with him ultimately than were we. (grin)
 
An interesting point: what if we were to be more specific in our constitutions and specify that a person must be convicted in a court of law of an offense before it was actionable as an expulsion ground. What do we do in the meantime? Put starkly, had O J been a NFB member, would the fact that the jury acquitted him in the criminal trial have forced us to keep him even though he were a liability?
 
All I'm saying is that when one deals with the real world, things are more complex than idealists would like.
 
Mike
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:jkaldrich at qwest.net James Aldrich
To:
mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org NFB Talk Mailing List
Sent:
Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject:
Re: [nfb-talk] My Thoughts, state con attendance
Hi Melissa,
I think you are on the right track!  Just remember no man made organization
is perfect.  I for one believe the NFB is still the best choice we have
available to us today for dealing with our true problems, crisis, and best
of all solutions for a good many things!  We truly are a positive
organization.
Try this simple test!  Get a bunch of toothpicks.  You'll readily see that
you can easily break one of them!  Try breaking the entire bunch and you
will see that their is indeed strength in numbers!  I was told this very
thing when I was in my twenties complete with the bunch of toothpicks!
I believe membership in the NFB is a two way street!  you can go it alone,
help some people as well as yourself and you may succeed very well!  You may
even find new solutions to some perplexing problems!  But what happens when
the going gets rough for you?  Will you have the resources to deal with your
individual crisis?  Might there be anyone around you who really cares?
Would you have access to good legal counsul which truly understands your
situation?  Is it possible you might be spending much time reinventing the
wheel and not enough time really getting what you wish to accomplish
completed?  So you go through all that effort only to discover the wheel you
invented already had been invented long ago so you ask yourself, why did I
not see whether the wheel was invented first so I could get the needed
information and resources to complete my project!  You might discover you
could have saved yourself a great deal of time and trouble utilizing the
resources of the National Federation of the Blind.  If you had not tried to
reinvent the wheel for yourself!  You would have accomplished much more in a
shorter period of time!  The solutions you may have reached could have
helped many more people much more quickly because of the numbers of members
within the NFB.  If you were truly inventing a new wheel, I think you would
save time doing so with all the help and resources which would be available
to you!  This is certainly something to ponder!
What we call the Civil War Period came about for a variety of reasons!
There was much opposition to the idea that blind people could organize and
we the blind could speak for ourselves!  We were becoming successful with
our early objectives!  We had money in the bank and we had remarkable growth
very quickly!  We had affiliates in most of the 48 states!  The established
professional agencies and workshops, which had control over the lives of
many blind persons felt this self organizing of the blind would put them out
of business!  We are talking about such organizations as then the American
Association of Workers for the Blind, something called Blind Industries,
can't recall the full name, a host of state services for the blind and The
American Foundation for the Blind.  The outside pressure upon us was fierce!
Never mind that the sheltered shops paid less than minimum wage, never mind
we were spoken to as small children regardless of our age, never mind these
professionals in many of these agencies had little faith in our abilities as
blind people!  They insisted we as blind people couldn't make it without
them!  They said they made our lives more bearable in so many words!  There
were people within the NFB who had jobs in some of these repressive
agencies!  They didn't want a strong clear cut position statement against
these well meaning  agencies as they put it!  They wanted us to tread
lightly!  They also had problems with the governance of the NFB.  Those
wishing to tread lightly against the agencies at that time also wanted some
changes in the governance of the organization.  They broke away since the
majority went against them and they formed what is now the American Council
of the Blind.  The NFB survived this crisis and is now the large
organization with many resources we appreciate today!
There were other challenges to come!  I too don't like the expulsion clauses
in our chapter, state and national constitutions but they came about for
very good reason because of human nature I would say!
You can easily document what I'm talking about by looking through past
issues of the Braille Monitor.
There were affiliates which were expelled and some which remained which had
their original names.  In Illinois, it was the Illinois Federation of the
blind.  In Missouri, the Missouri Federation of the Blind.  California was
known as the California Council of the Blind even though it was affiliated
with the NFB!  Others had Association and other ways of identifying their
affiliates!  This was indeed confusing!  One didn't always know whether the
affiliate they joined was part of the Federation, Council or not affiliated
with any National organization at all!  Some used the United Blind of
(blank) as an organizational name.  Our national organization took legal
action so that the Federation name could be uniform for all of the
affiliates within the Federation!  This did indeed start quite a stir among
the blind in the 70s!  Fortunately for everyone in and out of the
Federation, we prevailed and now one clearly knows when they have joined the
Federation in all states except Montana I think!  I'm writing a post about
this to our Montana list.  We haven't settled this question here yet!  We
have been known as the Montana Association for the Blind since 1946 I
believe!  Some of us here feel at a minimum we should be known as Montana
Association for the Blind doing business as the National Federation of the
Blind of Montana.  I personally would rather see it be The National
Federation of the Blind of Montana.  This and other matters didn't set well
with a leader in California and perhaps other leaders in other states.  The
California leader had quite a following!  I think this leader thought he was
above the elected leadership of the National Organization!  He didn't care
about the majority of the board of directors or the members in the various
states!  His word was the policy if it meant his own best interest!  He had
quite a following!  He and his followers were expelled by the national
leadership!  This is a simplistic explanation but it happened!  That same
leader joined the council and was expelled from there as well!  I'm not
certain whether it was just him or it included his followers as well, I
really don't know for certain!  You can still find him working with
something he calls helping  hands for the blind.  I certainly appreciate any
good he accomplished in and out of the NFB but he was strong willed and he
didn't respect the constitutions of the Federation.  I'm referring to
chapter, state and national constitutions.  Unfortunately, there had to be a
mechanism in place for dealing with such persons who wished to live above
the law so to speak!
Have you ever joined the ACB-L  list lately?  The ACB says it is so
democratic but wow!  they are really putting restrictions on their list as
to how many posts one can send etc.  If you try to post more than you
should, you could be bumped from the list.  I for one never heard such
stupidity come from what is suppose to be educated people!  I think they had
some good things on the list but I felt they were so negative and dealt with
such trivial stuff!  I left some months ago!  My wife left the list last
night!
I wish you the very best in your search concerning the truth and history and
programs as they are now with the NFB.  It is true this list had to drop
some impossible people but I think you will have freedom of expression here
if you express yourself in a reasonable manner.  You will learn much from
here too!
Do take care!
Jim Aldrich
    ----- Original Message -----
From: "Milissa Garside" < mailto:milissa.g79 at gmail.com milissa.g79 at gmail.com
>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My Thoughts, state con attendance
Hello All,
I have been reading this thread and have some thoughts to add.
With respect to convention attendance, as many have already said, I think
younger people are less likely to attend because there are many other things
occupying our time. As a result, it is also difficult for younger people to
connect with other younger people at a convention. Like Mike has said,
joining a civil rights organization does not hold the appeal that it once
did.
As a relatively younger blind person, (I am 28) I grew up in Massachusetts
where there is a big ACB population. Growing up, I knew nothing about the
NFB or the ACB. I never knew they existed until I was about 16. Since
Massachusetts is such a big ACB State, I naturally was introduced to the ACB
first. Although I first learned about the ACB when I was 16, I never really
got involved until I was 23. During my time in ACB, I heard nothing but bad
things about the NFB. At first, I took what was said at face value and
accepted that the NFB was "the dark side." As I heard more and more bad
things about the NFB, I decided to investigate it for myself.
Upon learning more about the NFB, I was impressed with the philosophy which
I unknowingly already had. I just didn't know that it was the philosophy
that the NFB prides itself on. As I talked to my local NFB president, I
began to realize how much my personal beliefs were truly in line with the
NFB philosophy. For a brief time, I was heavily involved with my local NFB
chapter and enjoyed it.
All that said however, I am currently not a member of either organization.
While I strongly believe in the NFB philosophy, I do not agree with the
current structure of the leadership. I take issue with some parts of the NFB
constitution. Such as the provision whereby a person can be expelled from
the NFB based upon miss conduct. In the constitution, there is not a
definition of what "miss conduct" is. As a result, "miss conduct" is widely
open for interpretation and is subject to a whole myriad of unknown reasons
why a person may be expelled from the NFB. In that regard, the NFB does not
fully engage in a democratic structure. By no means am I invalidating all
the great things that the NFB has and still does accomplish. As a very
political person, I just find it hard to be a member of an organization
where I find faults with the guiding document of the organization.
With respect to the organization split, I do not believe that there should
be two national organizations. Currently, I am reading "People of Vision",
the book on the history of the ACB. Upon finishing this book, I am going to
read "marching Alone and Walking Together" to obtain a full and complete
understanding why many were expelled and chose to leave the NFB. I am going
to reserve full judgment and comments of what happened until I have read
both books. But, I feel that having two apposing organizations hinders the
blind in many capacities.
Something that I have experienced which is a huge turn off as a younger
person is being told by "older" people in both organizations that as a
younger person, I know nothing about fighting for my rights and advocating
for myself and that because of all the technology, I have it so much easier.
While it is true that in terms of technology, we do have it much easier, the
reason we have it easier is a result of all the people who worked hard and
advocated for our rights and for accessible technology. However, its these
same people who seem to be bitter that we have it so much easier in terms of
technology. In terms of advocating, we younger people still have to advocate
for ourselves. Just because the laws are now in place and there is
technology, does not mean that everything falls into place. I have had to
advocate for myself since I was a freshman in high school and all through
college. I have had to do it and do it well. Although we do not have to
advocate to change or implement new laws, younger people have to fight and
advocate for the laws to be used as they should be.
Another issue I often come across is that simply because I am blind, that I
need to be apart of one of the organizations to keep up the good fight.
While I believe that we all need to educate and keep up the good fight, I do
not believe that one needs to be apart of an organization to be successful
in this endeavor. I am an independent thinker and find faults with both
organizations. While there are positive things about each organization, I
believe that the NFB does the most good for the blind community as a whole.
That said however, I can not sacrifice my misgivings about the NFB
constitution and be a member.
As a blind person that does not belong to either organization, I am able to
effectively advocate for myself and others. I also believe that the NFB can
be very helpful to me in terms of befriending other like minded people and
learning many things along the way. For example, I am planning on going to
the Colorado Center for the Blind in January for some brush up independent
living training. If I ever need assistance, I know that the NFB is a strong
organization of blind people who might be able to help me. I think we can
all fight the good fight in our own way in our own corner of the world and
if we choose to fight the good fight outside of an organization, that is ok
too.
sometimes older blind people think that we younger people are ungrateful and
don't fully appreciate all that has been done to enable blind people to live
independently . I can't speak for all younger people but, I am very grateful
to all the blind people who have come before me, who have fought hard and
who have made it possible for me to live the type of life I am able to live
today. I am grateful to the blind people who have sacrificed many things in
order for me to have the rights I have today as a blind person. I thank all
those who have come before me and made the fight a little easier for me. I
don't forget that without the hard and persistent work of the NFB, blind
people would not be where we are today.
These are simply some of my thoughts. I am not writing them down to cause
mayhem. I am interested in creating dialogue and sparking some good thinking
on this list.
Milissa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" < mailto:k7uij at panix.com k7uij at panix.com
>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
> Chris:
>
> With great respeect, I think you have not just a chip but a whole forest
> on your shoulder as regards volunteers at convention. NFB has them also
> but they are very unobtrusive and only help when asked and, frankly,
> don't help in areas wherein blind persons should be able to do for
> themselves. Lest you think I'm being preachy, I'm thinking of what
> happened at a recent WCB (Washington Council of the Blind -- WCB)
> convention wherein convention-goers who came on a WCB bus were told to
> put labels on their bags so that volunteers could find their bags for
> them (no thought that the passengers would find their own bags) and also
> there were volunteers to unpack and repack the bags of convention-goers.
> I'm sorry but that's plumb ridiculous.
>
> I agree with you that such things as appliance access are looming large
> in the inaccessibility department. But ACB is no more equipped to solve
> that problem than are we in NFB. Everyone may talk a good line about how
> wonderful "universal access" is but it ain't gonna happen. Why? Because
> manufacturers and, by extension, the general public, aren't going to pay
> for it. There are many more sighted persons than there are blind
> persons.
>
> Eventually, litigation may make a difference -- that's where your
> lawsuit and ours come into the picture. But there's a lot of case law to
> be made before such suits can be made effective.
>
> Moreover, when we worry about equal access, what do we really mean? How
> do we specify it legally? And do we mean access for the tech-savvy or
> for those who haven't a clue insofar as computer use are concerned.
> Accessibility, at least in terms of software, is a moving target and
> probably always be about two steps ahead of us. But we must keep on
> fighting. But we must act intelligently and not go off half-cocked. Just
> claiming, as ACB often does, that if the sighted have it, the blind
> ought to also won't cut it because, in the end, the only way that can
> happen is for all blind persons to regain their sight which won't
> happen. What we must strive for is access that's "good enough" -- that
> allows us to compete.
>
> By writing the foregoing, I am not minimizing your concerns; I tend to
> share them although I think the solutions aren't as simple as many of us
> would like them to be. So we're not so far apart on these matters as I
> may sound.
>
> However, I am going to challenge you a bit on the convention bit and
> about NFB governance. Mostly, what I here from you is "can't can't can't
> can't". Have you talked with your local chapter about getting a national
> convention scholarship? How about Robert Stigel, your affiliate
> President? And, believe me, there's a lot for state affiliates to do;
> the national leadership cannot handle a majority of what NFB does. So
> have you run for local office? How about state office? How many projects
> have you volunteered for in the last six months for your local chapter
> president? How about for the state affiliate?
>
> In other words, the NFB really is all of us. Quit complaining about how
> you are de facto being excluded ang get in there and pitch! WE need you
> and you need us!
>
> And get that block of wood off your shoulder! (broad smile)
>
> Mike
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Chris Westbrook
>  To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:36 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
>
>
>  Mike, you make some good points. Being a young blind person myself, I
> think
>  it's sad that many younger blind people view progress as inevitable
> and feel
>  no need to join an organization.  On the other hand, I'm not really
> sure
>  what NFB is really doing to stop the tide from turning against us  The
>  biggest issue I see looming ahead is a loss of access to information.
> This
>  could be due to inaccessible computer software, inaccessible
> appliances, or
>  any number of other things I haven't thought of.  On the inaccessible
>  appliances front, we had a home showcase at convention, but do you
> really
>  think that will make a difference?  I'm sure most manufacturers really
> don't
>  care whether their products were coincidentally sort of accessible.  I
> hope
>  our NFB Jernigan Institute can eventually help with this area.  That
> leads
>  me to my next point, which is what mike said about some people
> believing
>  that the national leadership are the experts.  I see the NFB as a very
> top
>  down organization with much of it's activity happening at the national
>  level.  I wonder if in the future the NFB will become more and more
> focused
>  on it's Jernigan institute and basically be a clearinghouse for
> research and
>  product design, while the ACB does most of the advocacy work?  I know
> for
>  myself I really don't see that many ways for a rank and file member to
>  influence policy, especially if they can't come to convention but even
> if
>  they can.
>
>  Also, I really think people in NFB need to relax and realize that not
> every
>  blind person has had great training or has the ability to do
> everything
>  independently.  I know ACB has been criticized for having volunteers
> at
>  their convention, and frankly I find that kind of amusing when NFB's
>  leadership always has someone going sighted guide with them.  IF it's
> good
>  enough for the leadership, why is it not good enough for the general
>  membership?  If you don't want the help, just refuse it, but don't
> keep
>  someone like me from using help that we may need.  On another note, I
>  frankly think ACB is better equipped to handle the challenges of the
> future.
>  Yes, they can be a bit more demanding than necessary, but I think we
> as
>  blind people are going to have to do more and more of that as time
> goes on.
>  NFB's philosophy is too focused on always being independence and this
> whole
>  idea of blindness being a nuisance and not that big of a deal.  I'm
> afraid
>  the NFB will suddenly wake up one day when all microwaves and other
>  appliances are flat paneled with no way to use them effectively, there
> are
>  no usable telephones, all keyboards are completely touch screen and
> wonder,
>  gee how did we get here?  I think I may be exaggerating slightly, but
> I
>  don't think I'm exaggerating as much as some may think.  My only
> consolation
>  is that when things start getting worse, we will wake up and disregard
> what
>  Kenneth Jernigan said in his speech "the day after civil rights"
> whenever
>  that is, and start fighting again.  I just hope it's not too late.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Mike Freeman" < mailto:k7uij at panix.com k7uij at panix.com
>
>  To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:02 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
>
>
>  > Ray:
>  >
>  > Welcome to the way the "other half" lives. Here in Washington, we
>  > consider we're doing an outstanding job if we get seventy-five to
> eighty
>  > people at our state banquet. Unlike at national conventions, our
>  > banquets are more well attended than are our plenary convention
> sessions
>  > as some convention participants bring guests to the banquet who do
> not
>  > attend the rest of the convention.
>  >
>  > Of course, part of the problem here in Washington is that, whether
> we
>  > admit it or not, we're still suffering from the organizational split
>  > that accompanied the whole Robert Acosta business in the late 1970's
>  > when the then-affiliate for Washington was expelled (or chose to
> leave,
>  > depending upon one's viewpoint) and was reorganized. The old
> affiliate
>  > eventually joined ACB so that ACB is considerably larger numerically
>  > than is NFB in Washington. In the legislature, however, it is we of
> NFB
>  > who are known for getting things done.
>  >
>  > AFfiliates east of the Mississippi such as Massachusetts are far
> larger
>  > than are our affiliates out here with the exception of California.
> WE
>  > are, in Shakespeare's terms, "we happy few". But NFB is where the
> action
>  > is.
>  >
>  > On the original subject, what I see in terms of dwindling convention
>  > attendance and grousing about the irrelevance of convention material
>  > stems, I believe, from a number of trends in society today. First,
>  > society is, in general, much more fragmented than was the case
> thirty or
>  > forty years ago. People move around the country much more often than
>  > heretofore and, hence, don't put down roots and make as many lasting
>  > local friendships. (When was the last time you attended a "block
>  > party"?) They are thus less likely to have great circles of
> friends --
>  > arguably a prerequisit for easy growth of organizations.
>  >
>  > Second, perhaps because society is more fragmented and because there
> are
>  > more venues of entertainment (cable TV, the Internet, video games
> and
>  > the like), I believe that people are far less likely to be "joiners"
>  > then was the case even twenty years ago. There are too many other
> things
>  > competing for their time.
>  >
>  > Third, I believe that it is fair to say that the 1960's and 1970's
> were
>  > decades of activism. Whatever your thoughts are concerning the war
> in
>  > Iraq, note the vast difference between the small anti-war
> demonstrations
>  > of today and the mass protests against the Vietnam war from 1964 to
>  > 1975. WE of NFB, like many other activist organizations, are the
> victims
>  > of the paradigm shift from activism to indifference and (see above)
> from
>  > the paradigm of working to make changes to being entertained.
>  >
>  > Fourth, I believe that, rightly or wrongly, many young blind people
>  > today see all the progress that the blind have made over the
> previous
>  > two generations toward a world of equality with the sighted and
> conclude
>  > that continued progress in this arena is inevitable. Obviously, I
>  > disagree with this assessment and, in fact, I am worried that we
> might
>  > be on the verge of slipping backward, making NFB even more of a
>  > necessity than it may have been twenty years ago. Couple this with
> laws
>  > mandating provision of services such as DSS offices at universities
> and
>  > this is a recipe for organizational lacitude IMO. I opine that many
>  > young people do not recognize that provision of some of these
> services
>  > constitutes a wolf in sheep's clothing and, hence, when they hit the
>  > "real world" and encounter businesses that don't automatically
> provide
>  > them with all the high-tech gadgetry they think they need, they
>  > interpret the problem as one of discrmination rather than one simply
> of
>  > the way the world works. All this is to say that many blind people
> of
>  > all ages today don't see why they need to gain advocacy skills or
> pay
>  > attention to all the "dull" stuf involving politics or their
> agencies
>  > for the blind. Let "the experts" do it. And while many would agree
> with
>  > us that agency moguls may not be the "experts", some are beginning
> to
>  > see *us* as the "experts",where by "us" I mean NFB leadership. In
> other
>  > words, I'm not sure that the rank-and-file always sees that it has a
>  > stake in what's happening or that it really has the power to change
>  > things.
>  >
>  > This problem is not unique to NFB: ACB has it also. The "advantage",
> if
>  > one wishes to call it that, that ACB has is that often its
> affiliates
>  > conduct many more social functions than do NFB affiliates -- at
> least
>  > it's like that out here in the Pacific Northwest. When, for example,
> was
>  > the last time you attended a NFB affiliate convention where a
> comedian
>  > was the featured banquet speaker? It has happend in ACB affiliates
> out
>  > here.
>  >
>  > Now I would hazard that this sort of fluff is not what we in NFB
> truly
>  > want. But to make changes, we must understand why what we're doing
> may
>  > not always appeal to "the masses" and, therefore, must decide
> whether we
>  > can incorporate other items into our conventions that might gain
>  > interest and not cause groans of "same ol' same ol'" while at the
> same
>  > time not betraying our NFB heritage and philosophy.
>  >
>  > I don't have the answer but I value the discussions as we may
>  > collectively come up with ideas that might work for all of us.
>  >
>  > Mike Freeman, President
>  > NFB of Washington
>  >
>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>  >  From: Ray Foret Jr
>  >  To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>  >  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:37 AM
>  >  Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
>  >
>  >
>  >  Edd, I am floored!!!  Are you truly telling us that at your last
> New
>  >  Hampshire state NFB convention, y'all only had 30 attendees?  Only
> 30?
>  > What
>  >  is y'all's membership compared to that number?  I just cannot get
> my
>  > mind
>  >  around the idea of y'all putting all that work in to an all day
> state
>  >  convention and having only 30 people there.  Perhaps you might
> inquire
>  > of
>  >  your members just what the issues are which cause them not to
> attend
>  > y'all's
>  >  convention.  From what I gather, you say in your message that folks
>  > were
>  >  complaining that the program items were "so so".  If I'm not
> mistaken,
>  > we
>  >  usually have over 100 folks at the Louisiana NFB state convention.
>  > How
>  >  about I forward your message on to Pam Allan and she can maybe
> suggest
>  > what
>  >  you might want to consider.
>  >
>  >  Sincerely yours,
>  >  The Constantly Barefooted,
>  >  Ray
>  >  Home phone and fax:
>  >  (985)853-0139
>  >  E-mail:
>  >  rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
>  >  Skype Name:
>  >  barefootedray
>  >  Blog:
>  >  http://www.raysworld.blogs.com www.raysworld.blogs.com
>  >  Podcast .rss Feed:
>  >  http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>  >
>  >  God bless President George W. Bush!
>  >  God bless our troops!
>  >  and God bless America
>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>  >  From: "Ed Meskys" < mailto:edmeskys at localnet.com edmeskys at localnet.com
>
>  >  To: "nfb-talk" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>  >  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:44 AM
>  >  Subject: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
>  >
>  >
>  >  When I first became NH state president in 1988 the first few state
>  >  conventions I put on had about 100-120 attendees, up about 20% from
>  > the
>  >  previous president, because I did a lot of outreach to find former
> and
>  > new
>  >  members, and initiated a state newsletter. We had been drifting
> down
>  > ever
>  >  since, to under 50. Last year we had our 50th anniversary, and got
>  > more
>  >  attendees, but with people muttering about our programs being the
>  > "same old,
>  >  same old." This year we decided to devote our whole morning to a
> topic
>  >  important to blind persons and many others in a rural state, the
>  > future of
>  >  transportation in NH. We made it a one-day con, with a luncheon
>  > banquet, and
>  >  the National report, some technology, mobility, and our business
>  > meeting in
>  >  he afternoon. With the help of Blind Services, the talking book
>  > library, the
>  >  Governor's Commission on Disabilities, and Granite State
> Independent
>  > Living
>  >  (Foundation) we distributed over 2000 flyers, and aside from
> program
>  >  participants we had only 30 attendees. Our officers are very
>  > disappointed,
>  >  and are saying it cost so much money to put on and advertise the
> con,
>  > and
>  >  put in so much work, that we will pull back and only have a
> business
>  > meeting
>  >  with lunch in the back room of a restaurant next year. Are other
>  > states
>  >  having the same problem getting attendance at a con?
>  >
>  >  We are using an Imagination Grant to put on a one-day tech expo
> next
>  > April,
>  >  which is not a convention (cons are normally in October or
> November).
>  > If
>  >  this flops too, I think the board will be devastated. We lined up
> an
>  >  excellent panel of five experts and administrators for the
>  > transportation
>  >  panel, and are working on getting excellent speakers for the tech
>  > expo.
>  >
>  >  Incidentally, the results of our state elections were:
>  >  continuing constitutional officers:
>  >  Marie Johnson, President
>  >  Gil Vickery, FVP.
>  >  Judy Leavitt, SVP
>  >  Ed Meskys, secretary
>  >  Lucille Lynch, treasurer
>  >  and our new slate of untitled board positions is:
>  >  Julie Clark (new)
>  >  Wayne Harvey (new)
>  >  Donald Little (new)
>  >  John Parker (returning)
>  >  Stephen Yerardi (returning)
>  >
>  >  Best, Ed Meskys
>  >
>  >
>  >  Edmund R. Meskys
>  >  NIEKAS Publications
>  >  National Federation of the Blind of N.H.
>  >  Moultonboro Lions Club
>  >  mailto:edmeskys at localnet.com edmeskys at localnet.com
>  >  322 Whittier Hwy
>  >  Moultonboro NH 03254-3627
>  >  my credo:
>  >  Clinton lied, nothing happened
>  >  Bush lied, thousands died
>  >  and over 3,000 permanently brain injured
>  >
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