[nfb-talk] My Thoughts, state con attendance
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Mon Nov 12 14:07:15 CST 2007
Millissa:
Thank you so much for writing your thoughtful, frank letter. AS with
most things, there are grains of truth int what you say. Also as with
most things, however, there are two sides to the issues you write of.
You have written in candor; I shall do the same. Please know that I mean
no disrespect and that I wouldn't write if I did not value your
contribution and, more importantly, your intelligence and willingness to
think for yourself and do your own investigation.
I shall start by discussing your thoughts concerning the necessity of
organizations of the blind and whether individual blind persons can make
contributions outside such organizations. You may consider that the
following summation of your ideas is distorted. If so, I do it to make a
point.
You say, in effect: "I value what the organizations of the blind have
done for me. However, I have made my own contributions to my
independence independent of these organizations. But if I get in
trouble, I know where to go: I can depend upon NFB (and, presumably,
also ACB) to defend my rights. In other words, I am perfectly willing to
take from these organizations but because they are made of imperfect
human beings unlike myself, I see no good reason to give back to them."
I won't elaborate except to ask if this be so, why should we of these
organizations see fit to assist you when you won't help us? WE will do
so because our purpose is to help our fellow blind persons. But as a
leader, I must confess to some frustration when in case after case, we
help people and hear nothing of them afterword. I do not expect
gratitude. But it would be nice once-in-a-while to have someone who has
benefited from our assistance join us in assisting the next person. I
suspect you would get the same refrain from ACB leadership. In fact, I
would far rather have you join ACB if you can't stand NFB than to remain
"on the fence". AS our first President, Dr. tenBroek used to say, though
with more indelicacy, all that accomplishes is sore anatomy from the
fence pickets! (grin)
AS I indicated above, since all organizations are composed of human
beings, they necessarily are imperfect. You have to decide which
organization is more effective and whether the efectiveness and
overarching philosophy outweighs the imperfections. And in reading both
ACB and NFB "origins" books, realize that you may never know the
complete truth; both books are written with bias. I tend, having lived
some of the history, to subscribe to the NFB perspective. But, at least
with respect to some of the splits that have taken place here in the
state of Washington, we can't even agree on the sequence of events, let
alone what actually happened. I pity any historian who wants to untangle
the history and decide what *really* happened. All of which is to say
that you may not have any better idea after reading both books where
your loyalty should lie than you did beforehand. I believe "People of
Vision" has some severe distortion. ACB leaders undoubtedly believe that
Dr. Matson didn't "tell it like it is" in "Walking Alone ...". In the
end, you have to decide on the basis of your knowledge of humanity, what
makes sense and what you know of the people whom you know personally
which "truth" is more plausible to you.
Moreover, in this country, the way one gets things done politically is
to band together in social and political organizations. I doubt that you
would have the influence with, say, the Congress that NFB does or, in
fact, that ACB aspires to. Democracy implies pressure groups and this is
quite honorable although that appellation has gained a pejorative
connotation from those who delude themselves into thinking that one can
separate human interaction from politics.
AS to the NFB Constitution, there have, in fact, been relatively few
expulsions during the last twenty years. Although there is often still
political turmoil, people have begun to enjoy a plethora of activities
just as has the larger society and, hence, aren't as apt to "get their
kicks" from causing mayhem and political controversy. Even so, I would
argue that in the very vagueness you decry, there is flexibility. It
allows expulsion for matters which might not be considered criminal but
which do damage to NFB by appearance. In this, NFB is no different than
are many other political organizations. The Portland, Oregon chapter of
NAACP was expelled a few years ago for not following NAACP policy and
was just recently reorganized. And there is always an appeal process for
expulsion unless the national convention does it. But this is
exceedingly rare. WE have better things to do with our time.
AS for the lack of democracy in NFB, I disagree with you. ACB may
*appear* to be more democratic in that much time and energy is expended
on the trappings of democracy -- secret ballots, endless vote-counting
and the like. But believe me, though the rank-and-file ACB membership
doesn't realize it, politics goes on and things are orchestrated just as
much ore more so in ACB affairs than they are in NFB activities. The
national ACB voting structure is so arcane as to be almost impossible to
check, lending itself to manipulation. That's okay if they ACB members
wish it that way. But have no illusions that there isn't politics going
on behind-the-scenes. The fact is that in NFB, one can have as much
influence as one desires. But, as in political affairs in this country,
one has to put in the time and make the effort. If all you do is come to
local chapter meetings, that is exceedingly valuable in that without
you, neither organization (NFB or ACB) could exist. But, as in all
political organizations, one gets out about what one puts in and if one
wants influence, one has to put one's shoulder to the wheel and exercise
leadership. That doesn't mean that one needs to hold office. But it does
mean that one needs to directly be involved in making things happen.
One more item and then I'll cease and desist. I'm sure you are wondering
why we require that people in our organization publicly support NFB
policies even if they disagree. It's simple: it's part of what makes NFB
effective. Moreover, it does not mean that there isn't dissent within
NFB; it was in NFB, after all, that a resolution ended up in a 26-26
tie -- twice! And it doesn't mean that one can't work to reverse a
previous resolution. But one must do it with some political savvy and in
a way that doesn't undercut our leaders when they negotiate. Put another
way, we keep our squabbles to ourselves. But if NFB were to stifle my
beliefs, I would quit within the hour. But I se the wisdom of a common
public visage.
I hope you don't consider the foregoing too prickly. It is meant to
provoke further reflection. I am honored that you are willing to engage
in this discussion and I hope you again join us on the barricades.
Mike Freeman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: Milissa Garside
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My Thoughts, state con attendance
Hello All,
I have been reading this thread and have some thoughts to add.
With respect to convention attendance, as many have already said, I
think
younger people are less likely to attend because there are many other
things
occupying our time. As a result, it is also difficult for younger
people to
connect with other younger people at a convention. Like Mike has said,
joining a civil rights organization does not hold the appeal that it
once
did.
As a relatively younger blind person, (I am 28) I grew up in
Massachusetts
where there is a big ACB population. Growing up, I knew nothing about
the
NFB or the ACB. I never knew they existed until I was about 16. Since
Massachusetts is such a big ACB State, I naturally was introduced to
the ACB
first. Although I first learned about the ACB when I was 16, I never
really
got involved until I was 23. During my time in ACB, I heard nothing
but bad
things about the NFB. At first, I took what was said at face value and
accepted that the NFB was "the dark side." As I heard more and more
bad
things about the NFB, I decided to investigate it for myself.
Upon learning more about the NFB, I was impressed with the philosophy
which
I unknowingly already had. I just didn't know that it was the
philosophy
that the NFB prides itself on. As I talked to my local NFB president,
I
began to realize how much my personal beliefs were truly in line with
the
NFB philosophy. For a brief time, I was heavily involved with my local
NFB
chapter and enjoyed it.
All that said however, I am currently not a member of either
organization.
While I strongly believe in the NFB philosophy, I do not agree with
the
current structure of the leadership. I take issue with some parts of
the NFB
constitution. Such as the provision whereby a person can be expelled
from
the NFB based upon miss conduct. In the constitution, there is not a
definition of what "miss conduct" is. As a result, "miss conduct" is
widely
open for interpretation and is subject to a whole myriad of unknown
reasons
why a person may be expelled from the NFB. In that regard, the NFB
does not
fully engage in a democratic structure. By no means am I invalidating
all
the great things that the NFB has and still does accomplish. As a very
political person, I just find it hard to be a member of an
organization
where I find faults with the guiding document of the organization.
With respect to the organization split, I do not believe that there
should
be two national organizations. Currently, I am reading "People of
Vision",
the book on the history of the ACB. Upon finishing this book, I am
going to
read "marching Alone and Walking Together" to obtain a full and
complete
understanding why many were expelled and chose to leave the NFB. I am
going
to reserve full judgment and comments of what happened until I have
read
both books. But, I feel that having two apposing organizations hinders
the
blind in many capacities.
Something that I have experienced which is a huge turn off as a
younger
person is being told by "older" people in both organizations that as a
younger person, I know nothing about fighting for my rights and
advocating
for myself and that because of all the technology, I have it so much
easier.
While it is true that in terms of technology, we do have it much
easier, the
reason we have it easier is a result of all the people who worked hard
and
advocated for our rights and for accessible technology. However, its
these
same people who seem to be bitter that we have it so much easier in
terms of
technology. In terms of advocating, we younger people still have to
advocate
for ourselves. Just because the laws are now in place and there is
technology, does not mean that everything falls into place. I have had
to
advocate for myself since I was a freshman in high school and all
through
college. I have had to do it and do it well. Although we do not have
to
advocate to change or implement new laws, younger people have to fight
and
advocate for the laws to be used as they should be.
Another issue I often come across is that simply because I am blind,
that I
need to be apart of one of the organizations to keep up the good
fight.
While I believe that we all need to educate and keep up the good
fight, I do
not believe that one needs to be apart of an organization to be
successful
in this endeavor. I am an independent thinker and find faults with
both
organizations. While there are positive things about each
organization, I
believe that the NFB does the most good for the blind community as a
whole.
That said however, I can not sacrifice my misgivings about the NFB
constitution and be a member.
As a blind person that does not belong to either organization, I am
able to
effectively advocate for myself and others. I also believe that the
NFB can
be very helpful to me in terms of befriending other like minded people
and
learning many things along the way. For example, I am planning on
going to
the Colorado Center for the Blind in January for some brush up
independent
living training. If I ever need assistance, I know that the NFB is a
strong
organization of blind people who might be able to help me. I think we
can
all fight the good fight in our own way in our own corner of the world
and
if we choose to fight the good fight outside of an organization, that
is ok
too.
sometimes older blind people think that we younger people are
ungrateful and
don't fully appreciate all that has been done to enable blind people
to live
independently . I can't speak for all younger people but, I am very
grateful
to all the blind people who have come before me, who have fought hard
and
who have made it possible for me to live the type of life I am able to
live
today. I am grateful to the blind people who have sacrificed many
things in
order for me to have the rights I have today as a blind person. I
thank all
those who have come before me and made the fight a little easier for
me. I
don't forget that without the hard and persistent work of the NFB,
blind
people would not be where we are today.
These are simply some of my thoughts. I am not writing them down to
cause
mayhem. I am interested in creating dialogue and sparking some good
thinking
on this list.
Milissa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
> Chris:
>
> With great respeect, I think you have not just a chip but a whole
forest
> on your shoulder as regards volunteers at convention. NFB has them
also
> but they are very unobtrusive and only help when asked and, frankly,
> don't help in areas wherein blind persons should be able to do for
> themselves. Lest you think I'm being preachy, I'm thinking of what
> happened at a recent WCB (Washington Council of the Blind -- WCB)
> convention wherein convention-goers who came on a WCB bus were told
to
> put labels on their bags so that volunteers could find their bags
for
> them (no thought that the passengers would find their own bags) and
also
> there were volunteers to unpack and repack the bags of
convention-goers.
> I'm sorry but that's plumb ridiculous.
>
> I agree with you that such things as appliance access are looming
large
> in the inaccessibility department. But ACB is no more equipped to
solve
> that problem than are we in NFB. Everyone may talk a good line about
how
> wonderful "universal access" is but it ain't gonna happen. Why?
Because
> manufacturers and, by extension, the general public, aren't going to
pay
> for it. There are many more sighted persons than there are blind
> persons.
>
> Eventually, litigation may make a difference -- that's where your
> lawsuit and ours come into the picture. But there's a lot of case
law to
> be made before such suits can be made effective.
>
> Moreover, when we worry about equal access, what do we really mean?
How
> do we specify it legally? And do we mean access for the tech-savvy
or
> for those who haven't a clue insofar as computer use are concerned.
> Accessibility, at least in terms of software, is a moving target and
> probably always be about two steps ahead of us. But we must keep on
> fighting. But we must act intelligently and not go off half-cocked.
Just
> claiming, as ACB often does, that if the sighted have it, the blind
> ought to also won't cut it because, in the end, the only way that
can
> happen is for all blind persons to regain their sight which won't
> happen. What we must strive for is access that's "good enough" --
that
> allows us to compete.
>
> By writing the foregoing, I am not minimizing your concerns; I tend
to
> share them although I think the solutions aren't as simple as many
of us
> would like them to be. So we're not so far apart on these matters as
I
> may sound.
>
> However, I am going to challenge you a bit on the convention bit and
> about NFB governance. Mostly, what I here from you is "can't can't
can't
> can't". Have you talked with your local chapter about getting a
national
> convention scholarship? How about Robert Stigel, your affiliate
> President? And, believe me, there's a lot for state affiliates to
do;
> the national leadership cannot handle a majority of what NFB does.
So
> have you run for local office? How about state office? How many
projects
> have you volunteered for in the last six months for your local
chapter
> president? How about for the state affiliate?
>
> In other words, the NFB really is all of us. Quit complaining about
how
> you are de facto being excluded ang get in there and pitch! WE need
you
> and you need us!
>
> And get that block of wood off your shoulder! (broad smile)
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Westbrook
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
>
>
> Mike, you make some good points. Being a young blind person myself,
I
> think
> it's sad that many younger blind people view progress as inevitable
> and feel
> no need to join an organization. On the other hand, I'm not really
> sure
> what NFB is really doing to stop the tide from turning against us
The
> biggest issue I see looming ahead is a loss of access to
information.
> This
> could be due to inaccessible computer software, inaccessible
> appliances, or
> any number of other things I haven't thought of. On the
inaccessible
> appliances front, we had a home showcase at convention, but do you
> really
> think that will make a difference? I'm sure most manufacturers
really
> don't
> care whether their products were coincidentally sort of accessible.
I
> hope
> our NFB Jernigan Institute can eventually help with this area.
That
> leads
> me to my next point, which is what mike said about some people
> believing
> that the national leadership are the experts. I see the NFB as a
very
> top
> down organization with much of it's activity happening at the
national
> level. I wonder if in the future the NFB will become more and more
> focused
> on it's Jernigan institute and basically be a clearinghouse for
> research and
> product design, while the ACB does most of the advocacy work? I
know
> for
> myself I really don't see that many ways for a rank and file member
to
> influence policy, especially if they can't come to convention but
even
> if
> they can.
>
> Also, I really think people in NFB need to relax and realize that
not
> every
> blind person has had great training or has the ability to do
> everything
> independently. I know ACB has been criticized for having
volunteers
> at
> their convention, and frankly I find that kind of amusing when
NFB's
> leadership always has someone going sighted guide with them. IF
it's
> good
> enough for the leadership, why is it not good enough for the
general
> membership? If you don't want the help, just refuse it, but don't
> keep
> someone like me from using help that we may need. On another note,
I
> frankly think ACB is better equipped to handle the challenges of
the
> future.
> Yes, they can be a bit more demanding than necessary, but I think
we
> as
> blind people are going to have to do more and more of that as time
> goes on.
> NFB's philosophy is too focused on always being independence and
this
> whole
> idea of blindness being a nuisance and not that big of a deal. I'm
> afraid
> the NFB will suddenly wake up one day when all microwaves and other
> appliances are flat paneled with no way to use them effectively,
there
> are
> no usable telephones, all keyboards are completely touch screen and
> wonder,
> gee how did we get here? I think I may be exaggerating slightly,
but
> I
> don't think I'm exaggerating as much as some may think. My only
> consolation
> is that when things start getting worse, we will wake up and
disregard
> what
> Kenneth Jernigan said in his speech "the day after civil rights"
> whenever
> that is, and start fighting again. I just hope it's not too late.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
>
>
> > Ray:
> >
> > Welcome to the way the "other half" lives. Here in Washington, we
> > consider we're doing an outstanding job if we get seventy-five to
> eighty
> > people at our state banquet. Unlike at national conventions, our
> > banquets are more well attended than are our plenary convention
> sessions
> > as some convention participants bring guests to the banquet who
do
> not
> > attend the rest of the convention.
> >
> > Of course, part of the problem here in Washington is that,
whether
> we
> > admit it or not, we're still suffering from the organizational
split
> > that accompanied the whole Robert Acosta business in the late
1970's
> > when the then-affiliate for Washington was expelled (or chose to
> leave,
> > depending upon one's viewpoint) and was reorganized. The old
> affiliate
> > eventually joined ACB so that ACB is considerably larger
numerically
> > than is NFB in Washington. In the legislature, however, it is we
of
> NFB
> > who are known for getting things done.
> >
> > AFfiliates east of the Mississippi such as Massachusetts are far
> larger
> > than are our affiliates out here with the exception of
California.
> WE
> > are, in Shakespeare's terms, "we happy few". But NFB is where the
> action
> > is.
> >
> > On the original subject, what I see in terms of dwindling
convention
> > attendance and grousing about the irrelevance of convention
material
> > stems, I believe, from a number of trends in society today.
First,
> > society is, in general, much more fragmented than was the case
> thirty or
> > forty years ago. People move around the country much more often
than
> > heretofore and, hence, don't put down roots and make as many
lasting
> > local friendships. (When was the last time you attended a "block
> > party"?) They are thus less likely to have great circles of
> friends --
> > arguably a prerequisit for easy growth of organizations.
> >
> > Second, perhaps because society is more fragmented and because
there
> are
> > more venues of entertainment (cable TV, the Internet, video games
> and
> > the like), I believe that people are far less likely to be
"joiners"
> > then was the case even twenty years ago. There are too many other
> things
> > competing for their time.
> >
> > Third, I believe that it is fair to say that the 1960's and
1970's
> were
> > decades of activism. Whatever your thoughts are concerning the
war
> in
> > Iraq, note the vast difference between the small anti-war
> demonstrations
> > of today and the mass protests against the Vietnam war from 1964
to
> > 1975. WE of NFB, like many other activist organizations, are the
> victims
> > of the paradigm shift from activism to indifference and (see
above)
> from
> > the paradigm of working to make changes to being entertained.
> >
> > Fourth, I believe that, rightly or wrongly, many young blind
people
> > today see all the progress that the blind have made over the
> previous
> > two generations toward a world of equality with the sighted and
> conclude
> > that continued progress in this arena is inevitable. Obviously, I
> > disagree with this assessment and, in fact, I am worried that we
> might
> > be on the verge of slipping backward, making NFB even more of a
> > necessity than it may have been twenty years ago. Couple this
with
> laws
> > mandating provision of services such as DSS offices at
universities
> and
> > this is a recipe for organizational lacitude IMO. I opine that
many
> > young people do not recognize that provision of some of these
> services
> > constitutes a wolf in sheep's clothing and, hence, when they hit
the
> > "real world" and encounter businesses that don't automatically
> provide
> > them with all the high-tech gadgetry they think they need, they
> > interpret the problem as one of discrmination rather than one
simply
> of
> > the way the world works. All this is to say that many blind
people
> of
> > all ages today don't see why they need to gain advocacy skills or
> pay
> > attention to all the "dull" stuf involving politics or their
> agencies
> > for the blind. Let "the experts" do it. And while many would
agree
> with
> > us that agency moguls may not be the "experts", some are
beginning
> to
> > see *us* as the "experts",where by "us" I mean NFB leadership. In
> other
> > words, I'm not sure that the rank-and-file always sees that it
has a
> > stake in what's happening or that it really has the power to
change
> > things.
> >
> > This problem is not unique to NFB: ACB has it also. The
"advantage",
> if
> > one wishes to call it that, that ACB has is that often its
> affiliates
> > conduct many more social functions than do NFB affiliates -- at
> least
> > it's like that out here in the Pacific Northwest. When, for
example,
> was
> > the last time you attended a NFB affiliate convention where a
> comedian
> > was the featured banquet speaker? It has happend in ACB
affiliates
> out
> > here.
> >
> > Now I would hazard that this sort of fluff is not what we in NFB
> truly
> > want. But to make changes, we must understand why what we're
doing
> may
> > not always appeal to "the masses" and, therefore, must decide
> whether we
> > can incorporate other items into our conventions that might gain
> > interest and not cause groans of "same ol' same ol'" while at the
> same
> > time not betraying our NFB heritage and philosophy.
> >
> > I don't have the answer but I value the discussions as we may
> > collectively come up with ideas that might work for all of us.
> >
> > Mike Freeman, President
> > NFB of Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ray Foret Jr
> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
> >
> >
> > Edd, I am floored!!! Are you truly telling us that at your last
> New
> > Hampshire state NFB convention, y'all only had 30 attendees?
Only
> 30?
> > What
> > is y'all's membership compared to that number? I just cannot
get
> my
> > mind
> > around the idea of y'all putting all that work in to an all day
> state
> > convention and having only 30 people there. Perhaps you might
> inquire
> > of
> > your members just what the issues are which cause them not to
> attend
> > y'all's
> > convention. From what I gather, you say in your message that
folks
> > were
> > complaining that the program items were "so so". If I'm not
> mistaken,
> > we
> > usually have over 100 folks at the Louisiana NFB state
convention.
> > How
> > about I forward your message on to Pam Allan and she can maybe
> suggest
> > what
> > you might want to consider.
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> > The Constantly Barefooted,
> > Ray
> > Home phone and fax:
> > (985)853-0139
> > E-mail:
> > rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
> > Skype Name:
> > barefootedray
> > Blog:
> > www.raysworld.blogs.com
> > Podcast .rss Feed:
> > http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
> >
> > God bless President George W. Bush!
> > God bless our troops!
> > and God bless America
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Meskys" <edmeskys at localnet.com>
> > To: "nfb-talk" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:44 AM
> > Subject: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
> >
> >
> > When I first became NH state president in 1988 the first few
state
> > conventions I put on had about 100-120 attendees, up about 20%
from
> > the
> > previous president, because I did a lot of outreach to find
former
> and
> > new
> > members, and initiated a state newsletter. We had been drifting
> down
> > ever
> > since, to under 50. Last year we had our 50th anniversary, and
got
> > more
> > attendees, but with people muttering about our programs being
the
> > "same old,
> > same old." This year we decided to devote our whole morning to a
> topic
> > important to blind persons and many others in a rural state, the
> > future of
> > transportation in NH. We made it a one-day con, with a luncheon
> > banquet, and
> > the National report, some technology, mobility, and our business
> > meeting in
> > he afternoon. With the help of Blind Services, the talking book
> > library, the
> > Governor's Commission on Disabilities, and Granite State
> Independent
> > Living
> > (Foundation) we distributed over 2000 flyers, and aside from
> program
> > participants we had only 30 attendees. Our officers are very
> > disappointed,
> > and are saying it cost so much money to put on and advertise the
> con,
> > and
> > put in so much work, that we will pull back and only have a
> business
> > meeting
> > with lunch in the back room of a restaurant next year. Are other
> > states
> > having the same problem getting attendance at a con?
> >
> > We are using an Imagination Grant to put on a one-day tech expo
> next
> > April,
> > which is not a convention (cons are normally in October or
> November).
> > If
> > this flops too, I think the board will be devastated. We lined
up
> an
> > excellent panel of five experts and administrators for the
> > transportation
> > panel, and are working on getting excellent speakers for the
tech
> > expo.
> >
> > Incidentally, the results of our state elections were:
> > continuing constitutional officers:
> > Marie Johnson, President
> > Gil Vickery, FVP.
> > Judy Leavitt, SVP
> > Ed Meskys, secretary
> > Lucille Lynch, treasurer
> > and our new slate of untitled board positions is:
> > Julie Clark (new)
> > Wayne Harvey (new)
> > Donald Little (new)
> > John Parker (returning)
> > Stephen Yerardi (returning)
> >
> > Best, Ed Meskys
> >
> >
> > Edmund R. Meskys
> > NIEKAS Publications
> > National Federation of the Blind of N.H.
> > Moultonboro Lions Club
> > edmeskys at localnet.com
> > 322 Whittier Hwy
> > Moultonboro NH 03254-3627
> > my credo:
> > Clinton lied, nothing happened
> > Bush lied, thousands died
> > and over 3,000 permanently brain injured
> >
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Millissa:
Thank you so much for writing your thoughtful, frank letter. AS with most things, there are grains of truth int what you say. Also as with most things, however, there are two sides to the issues you write of. You have written in candor; I shall do the same. Please know that I mean no disrespect and that I wouldn't write if I did not value your contribution and, more importantly, your intelligence and willingness to think for yourself and do your own investigation.
I shall start by discussing your thoughts concerning the necessity of organizations of the blind and whether individual blind persons can make contributions outside such organizations. You may consider that the following summation of your ideas is distorted. If so, I do it to make a point.
You say, in effect: "I value what the organizations of the blind have done for me. However, I have made my own contributions to my independence independent of these organizations. But if I get in trouble, I know where to go: I can depend upon NFB (and, presumably, also ACB) to defend my rights. In other words, I am perfectly willing to take from these organizations but because they are made of imperfect human beings unlike myself, I see no good reason to give back to them." I won't elaborate except to ask if this be so, why should we of these organizations see fit to assist you when you won't help us? WE will do so because our purpose is to help our fellow blind persons. But as a leader, I must confess to some frustration when in case after case, we help people and hear nothing of them afterword. I do not expect gratitude. But it would be nice once-in-a-while to have someone who has benefited from our assistance join us in assisting the next person. I suspect you would get the same refrain from ACB leadership. In fact, I would far rather have you join ACB if you can't stand NFB than to remain "on the fence". AS our first President, Dr. tenBroek used to say, though with more indelicacy, all that accomplishes is sore anatomy from the fence pickets! (grin)
AS I indicated above, since all organizations are composed of human beings, they necessarily are imperfect. You have to decide which organization is more effective and whether the efectiveness and overarching philosophy outweighs the imperfections. And in reading both ACB and NFB "origins" books, realize that you may never know the complete truth; both books are written with bias. I tend, having lived some of the history, to subscribe to the NFB perspective. But, at least with respect to some of the splits that have taken place here in the state of Washington, we can't even agree on the sequence of events, let alone what actually happened. I pity any historian who wants to untangle the history and decide what *really* happened. All of which is to say that you may not have any better idea after reading both books where your loyalty should lie than you did beforehand. I believe "People of Vision" has some severe distortion. ACB leaders undoubtedly believe that Dr. Matson didn't "tell it like it is" in "Walking Alone ...". In the end, you have to decide on the basis of your knowledge of humanity, what makes sense and what you know of the people whom you know personally which "truth" is more plausible to you.
Moreover, in this country, the way one gets things done politically is to band together in social and political organizations. I doubt that you would have the influence with, say, the Congress that NFB does or, in fact, that ACB aspires to. Democracy implies pressure groups and this is quite honorable although that appellation has gained a pejorative connotation from those who delude themselves into thinking that one can separate human interaction from politics.
AS to the NFB Constitution, there have, in fact, been relatively few expulsions during the last twenty years. Although there is often still political turmoil, people have begun to enjoy a plethora of activities just as has the larger society and, hence, aren't as apt to "get their kicks" from causing mayhem and political controversy. Even so, I would argue that in the very vagueness you decry, there is flexibility. It allows expulsion for matters which might not be considered criminal but which do damage to NFB by appearance. In this, NFB is no different than are many other political organizations. The Portland, Oregon chapter of NAACP was expelled a few years ago for not following NAACP policy and was just recently reorganized. And there is always an appeal process for expulsion unless the national convention does it. But this is exceedingly rare. WE have better things to do with our time.
AS for the lack of democracy in NFB, I disagree with you. ACB may *appear* to be more democratic in that much time and energy is expended on the trappings of democracy -- secret ballots, endless vote-counting and the like. But believe me, though the rank-and-file ACB membership doesn't realize it, politics goes on and things are orchestrated just as much ore more so in ACB affairs than they are in NFB activities. The national ACB voting structure is so arcane as to be almost impossible to check, lending itself to manipulation. That's okay if they ACB members wish it that way. But have no illusions that there isn't politics going on behind-the-scenes. The fact is that in NFB, one can have as much influence as one desires. But, as in political affairs in this country, one has to put in the time and make the effort. If all you do is come to local chapter meetings, that is exceedingly valuable in that without you, neither organization (NFB or ACB) could exist. But, as in all political organizations, one gets out about what one puts in and if one wants influence, one has to put one's shoulder to the wheel and exercise leadership. That doesn't mean that one needs to hold office. But it does mean that one needs to directly be involved in making things happen.
One more item and then I'll cease and desist. I'm sure you are wondering why we require that people in our organization publicly support NFB policies even if they disagree. It's simple: it's part of what makes NFB effective. Moreover, it does not mean that there isn't dissent within NFB; it was in NFB, after all, that a resolution ended up in a 26-26 tie -- twice! And it doesn't mean that one can't work to reverse a previous resolution. But one must do it with some political savvy and in a way that doesn't undercut our leaders when they negotiate. Put another way, we keep our squabbles to ourselves. But if NFB were to stifle my beliefs, I would quit within the hour. But I se the wisdom of a common public visage.
I hope you don't consider the foregoing too prickly. It is meant to provoke further reflection. I am honored that you are willing to engage in this discussion and I hope you again join us on the barricades.
Mike Freeman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Washington
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:milissa.g79 at gmail.com Milissa Garside
To:
mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org NFB Talk Mailing List
Sent:
Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject:
Re: [nfb-talk] My Thoughts, state con attendance
Hello All,
I have been reading this thread and have some thoughts to add.
With respect to convention attendance, as many have already said, I think
younger people are less likely to attend because there are many other things
occupying our time. As a result, it is also difficult for younger people to
connect with other younger people at a convention. Like Mike has said,
joining a civil rights organization does not hold the appeal that it once
did.
As a relatively younger blind person, (I am 28) I grew up in Massachusetts
where there is a big ACB population. Growing up, I knew nothing about the
NFB or the ACB. I never knew they existed until I was about 16. Since
Massachusetts is such a big ACB State, I naturally was introduced to the ACB
first. Although I first learned about the ACB when I was 16, I never really
got involved until I was 23. During my time in ACB, I heard nothing but bad
things about the NFB. At first, I took what was said at face value and
accepted that the NFB was "the dark side." As I heard more and more bad
things about the NFB, I decided to investigate it for myself.
Upon learning more about the NFB, I was impressed with the philosophy which
I unknowingly already had. I just didn't know that it was the philosophy
that the NFB prides itself on. As I talked to my local NFB president, I
began to realize how much my personal beliefs were truly in line with the
NFB philosophy. For a brief time, I was heavily involved with my local NFB
chapter and enjoyed it.
All that said however, I am currently not a member of either organization.
While I strongly believe in the NFB philosophy, I do not agree with the
current structure of the leadership. I take issue with some parts of the NFB
constitution. Such as the provision whereby a person can be expelled from
the NFB based upon miss conduct. In the constitution, there is not a
definition of what "miss conduct" is. As a result, "miss conduct" is widely
open for interpretation and is subject to a whole myriad of unknown reasons
why a person may be expelled from the NFB. In that regard, the NFB does not
fully engage in a democratic structure. By no means am I invalidating all
the great things that the NFB has and still does accomplish. As a very
political person, I just find it hard to be a member of an organization
where I find faults with the guiding document of the organization.
With respect to the organization split, I do not believe that there should
be two national organizations. Currently, I am reading "People of Vision",
the book on the history of the ACB. Upon finishing this book, I am going to
read "marching Alone and Walking Together" to obtain a full and complete
understanding why many were expelled and chose to leave the NFB. I am going
to reserve full judgment and comments of what happened until I have read
both books. But, I feel that having two apposing organizations hinders the
blind in many capacities.
Something that I have experienced which is a huge turn off as a younger
person is being told by "older" people in both organizations that as a
younger person, I know nothing about fighting for my rights and advocating
for myself and that because of all the technology, I have it so much easier.
While it is true that in terms of technology, we do have it much easier, the
reason we have it easier is a result of all the people who worked hard and
advocated for our rights and for accessible technology. However, its these
same people who seem to be bitter that we have it so much easier in terms of
technology. In terms of advocating, we younger people still have to advocate
for ourselves. Just because the laws are now in place and there is
technology, does not mean that everything falls into place. I have had to
advocate for myself since I was a freshman in high school and all through
college. I have had to do it and do it well. Although we do not have to
advocate to change or implement new laws, younger people have to fight and
advocate for the laws to be used as they should be.
Another issue I often come across is that simply because I am blind, that I
need to be apart of one of the organizations to keep up the good fight.
While I believe that we all need to educate and keep up the good fight, I do
not believe that one needs to be apart of an organization to be successful
in this endeavor. I am an independent thinker and find faults with both
organizations. While there are positive things about each organization, I
believe that the NFB does the most good for the blind community as a whole.
That said however, I can not sacrifice my misgivings about the NFB
constitution and be a member.
As a blind person that does not belong to either organization, I am able to
effectively advocate for myself and others. I also believe that the NFB can
be very helpful to me in terms of befriending other like minded people and
learning many things along the way. For example, I am planning on going to
the Colorado Center for the Blind in January for some brush up independent
living training. If I ever need assistance, I know that the NFB is a strong
organization of blind people who might be able to help me. I think we can
all fight the good fight in our own way in our own corner of the world and
if we choose to fight the good fight outside of an organization, that is ok
too.
sometimes older blind people think that we younger people are ungrateful and
don't fully appreciate all that has been done to enable blind people to live
independently . I can't speak for all younger people but, I am very grateful
to all the blind people who have come before me, who have fought hard and
who have made it possible for me to live the type of life I am able to live
today. I am grateful to the blind people who have sacrificed many things in
order for me to have the rights I have today as a blind person. I thank all
those who have come before me and made the fight a little easier for me. I
don't forget that without the hard and persistent work of the NFB, blind
people would not be where we are today.
These are simply some of my thoughts. I am not writing them down to cause
mayhem. I am interested in creating dialogue and sparking some good thinking
on this list.
Milissa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" < mailto:k7uij at panix.com k7uij at panix.com
>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
> Chris:
>
> With great respeect, I think you have not just a chip but a whole forest
> on your shoulder as regards volunteers at convention. NFB has them also
> but they are very unobtrusive and only help when asked and, frankly,
> don't help in areas wherein blind persons should be able to do for
> themselves. Lest you think I'm being preachy, I'm thinking of what
> happened at a recent WCB (Washington Council of the Blind -- WCB)
> convention wherein convention-goers who came on a WCB bus were told to
> put labels on their bags so that volunteers could find their bags for
> them (no thought that the passengers would find their own bags) and also
> there were volunteers to unpack and repack the bags of convention-goers.
> I'm sorry but that's plumb ridiculous.
>
> I agree with you that such things as appliance access are looming large
> in the inaccessibility department. But ACB is no more equipped to solve
> that problem than are we in NFB. Everyone may talk a good line about how
> wonderful "universal access" is but it ain't gonna happen. Why? Because
> manufacturers and, by extension, the general public, aren't going to pay
> for it. There are many more sighted persons than there are blind
> persons.
>
> Eventually, litigation may make a difference -- that's where your
> lawsuit and ours come into the picture. But there's a lot of case law to
> be made before such suits can be made effective.
>
> Moreover, when we worry about equal access, what do we really mean? How
> do we specify it legally? And do we mean access for the tech-savvy or
> for those who haven't a clue insofar as computer use are concerned.
> Accessibility, at least in terms of software, is a moving target and
> probably always be about two steps ahead of us. But we must keep on
> fighting. But we must act intelligently and not go off half-cocked. Just
> claiming, as ACB often does, that if the sighted have it, the blind
> ought to also won't cut it because, in the end, the only way that can
> happen is for all blind persons to regain their sight which won't
> happen. What we must strive for is access that's "good enough" -- that
> allows us to compete.
>
> By writing the foregoing, I am not minimizing your concerns; I tend to
> share them although I think the solutions aren't as simple as many of us
> would like them to be. So we're not so far apart on these matters as I
> may sound.
>
> However, I am going to challenge you a bit on the convention bit and
> about NFB governance. Mostly, what I here from you is "can't can't can't
> can't". Have you talked with your local chapter about getting a national
> convention scholarship? How about Robert Stigel, your affiliate
> President? And, believe me, there's a lot for state affiliates to do;
> the national leadership cannot handle a majority of what NFB does. So
> have you run for local office? How about state office? How many projects
> have you volunteered for in the last six months for your local chapter
> president? How about for the state affiliate?
>
> In other words, the NFB really is all of us. Quit complaining about how
> you are de facto being excluded ang get in there and pitch! WE need you
> and you need us!
>
> And get that block of wood off your shoulder! (broad smile)
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Westbrook
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
>
>
> Mike, you make some good points. Being a young blind person myself, I
> think
> it's sad that many younger blind people view progress as inevitable
> and feel
> no need to join an organization. On the other hand, I'm not really
> sure
> what NFB is really doing to stop the tide from turning against us The
> biggest issue I see looming ahead is a loss of access to information.
> This
> could be due to inaccessible computer software, inaccessible
> appliances, or
> any number of other things I haven't thought of. On the inaccessible
> appliances front, we had a home showcase at convention, but do you
> really
> think that will make a difference? I'm sure most manufacturers really
> don't
> care whether their products were coincidentally sort of accessible. I
> hope
> our NFB Jernigan Institute can eventually help with this area. That
> leads
> me to my next point, which is what mike said about some people
> believing
> that the national leadership are the experts. I see the NFB as a very
> top
> down organization with much of it's activity happening at the national
> level. I wonder if in the future the NFB will become more and more
> focused
> on it's Jernigan institute and basically be a clearinghouse for
> research and
> product design, while the ACB does most of the advocacy work? I know
> for
> myself I really don't see that many ways for a rank and file member to
> influence policy, especially if they can't come to convention but even
> if
> they can.
>
> Also, I really think people in NFB need to relax and realize that not
> every
> blind person has had great training or has the ability to do
> everything
> independently. I know ACB has been criticized for having volunteers
> at
> their convention, and frankly I find that kind of amusing when NFB's
> leadership always has someone going sighted guide with them. IF it's
> good
> enough for the leadership, why is it not good enough for the general
> membership? If you don't want the help, just refuse it, but don't
> keep
> someone like me from using help that we may need. On another note, I
> frankly think ACB is better equipped to handle the challenges of the
> future.
> Yes, they can be a bit more demanding than necessary, but I think we
> as
> blind people are going to have to do more and more of that as time
> goes on.
> NFB's philosophy is too focused on always being independence and this
> whole
> idea of blindness being a nuisance and not that big of a deal. I'm
> afraid
> the NFB will suddenly wake up one day when all microwaves and other
> appliances are flat paneled with no way to use them effectively, there
> are
> no usable telephones, all keyboards are completely touch screen and
> wonder,
> gee how did we get here? I think I may be exaggerating slightly, but
> I
> don't think I'm exaggerating as much as some may think. My only
> consolation
> is that when things start getting worse, we will wake up and disregard
> what
> Kenneth Jernigan said in his speech "the day after civil rights"
> whenever
> that is, and start fighting again. I just hope it's not too late.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" < mailto:k7uij at panix.com k7uij at panix.com
>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
>
>
> > Ray:
> >
> > Welcome to the way the "other half" lives. Here in Washington, we
> > consider we're doing an outstanding job if we get seventy-five to
> eighty
> > people at our state banquet. Unlike at national conventions, our
> > banquets are more well attended than are our plenary convention
> sessions
> > as some convention participants bring guests to the banquet who do
> not
> > attend the rest of the convention.
> >
> > Of course, part of the problem here in Washington is that, whether
> we
> > admit it or not, we're still suffering from the organizational split
> > that accompanied the whole Robert Acosta business in the late 1970's
> > when the then-affiliate for Washington was expelled (or chose to
> leave,
> > depending upon one's viewpoint) and was reorganized. The old
> affiliate
> > eventually joined ACB so that ACB is considerably larger numerically
> > than is NFB in Washington. In the legislature, however, it is we of
> NFB
> > who are known for getting things done.
> >
> > AFfiliates east of the Mississippi such as Massachusetts are far
> larger
> > than are our affiliates out here with the exception of California.
> WE
> > are, in Shakespeare's terms, "we happy few". But NFB is where the
> action
> > is.
> >
> > On the original subject, what I see in terms of dwindling convention
> > attendance and grousing about the irrelevance of convention material
> > stems, I believe, from a number of trends in society today. First,
> > society is, in general, much more fragmented than was the case
> thirty or
> > forty years ago. People move around the country much more often than
> > heretofore and, hence, don't put down roots and make as many lasting
> > local friendships. (When was the last time you attended a "block
> > party"?) They are thus less likely to have great circles of
> friends --
> > arguably a prerequisit for easy growth of organizations.
> >
> > Second, perhaps because society is more fragmented and because there
> are
> > more venues of entertainment (cable TV, the Internet, video games
> and
> > the like), I believe that people are far less likely to be "joiners"
> > then was the case even twenty years ago. There are too many other
> things
> > competing for their time.
> >
> > Third, I believe that it is fair to say that the 1960's and 1970's
> were
> > decades of activism. Whatever your thoughts are concerning the war
> in
> > Iraq, note the vast difference between the small anti-war
> demonstrations
> > of today and the mass protests against the Vietnam war from 1964 to
> > 1975. WE of NFB, like many other activist organizations, are the
> victims
> > of the paradigm shift from activism to indifference and (see above)
> from
> > the paradigm of working to make changes to being entertained.
> >
> > Fourth, I believe that, rightly or wrongly, many young blind people
> > today see all the progress that the blind have made over the
> previous
> > two generations toward a world of equality with the sighted and
> conclude
> > that continued progress in this arena is inevitable. Obviously, I
> > disagree with this assessment and, in fact, I am worried that we
> might
> > be on the verge of slipping backward, making NFB even more of a
> > necessity than it may have been twenty years ago. Couple this with
> laws
> > mandating provision of services such as DSS offices at universities
> and
> > this is a recipe for organizational lacitude IMO. I opine that many
> > young people do not recognize that provision of some of these
> services
> > constitutes a wolf in sheep's clothing and, hence, when they hit the
> > "real world" and encounter businesses that don't automatically
> provide
> > them with all the high-tech gadgetry they think they need, they
> > interpret the problem as one of discrmination rather than one simply
> of
> > the way the world works. All this is to say that many blind people
> of
> > all ages today don't see why they need to gain advocacy skills or
> pay
> > attention to all the "dull" stuf involving politics or their
> agencies
> > for the blind. Let "the experts" do it. And while many would agree
> with
> > us that agency moguls may not be the "experts", some are beginning
> to
> > see *us* as the "experts",where by "us" I mean NFB leadership. In
> other
> > words, I'm not sure that the rank-and-file always sees that it has a
> > stake in what's happening or that it really has the power to change
> > things.
> >
> > This problem is not unique to NFB: ACB has it also. The "advantage",
> if
> > one wishes to call it that, that ACB has is that often its
> affiliates
> > conduct many more social functions than do NFB affiliates -- at
> least
> > it's like that out here in the Pacific Northwest. When, for example,
> was
> > the last time you attended a NFB affiliate convention where a
> comedian
> > was the featured banquet speaker? It has happend in ACB affiliates
> out
> > here.
> >
> > Now I would hazard that this sort of fluff is not what we in NFB
> truly
> > want. But to make changes, we must understand why what we're doing
> may
> > not always appeal to "the masses" and, therefore, must decide
> whether we
> > can incorporate other items into our conventions that might gain
> > interest and not cause groans of "same ol' same ol'" while at the
> same
> > time not betraying our NFB heritage and philosophy.
> >
> > I don't have the answer but I value the discussions as we may
> > collectively come up with ideas that might work for all of us.
> >
> > Mike Freeman, President
> > NFB of Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ray Foret Jr
> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
> >
> >
> > Edd, I am floored!!! Are you truly telling us that at your last
> New
> > Hampshire state NFB convention, y'all only had 30 attendees? Only
> 30?
> > What
> > is y'all's membership compared to that number? I just cannot get
> my
> > mind
> > around the idea of y'all putting all that work in to an all day
> state
> > convention and having only 30 people there. Perhaps you might
> inquire
> > of
> > your members just what the issues are which cause them not to
> attend
> > y'all's
> > convention. From what I gather, you say in your message that folks
> > were
> > complaining that the program items were "so so". If I'm not
> mistaken,
> > we
> > usually have over 100 folks at the Louisiana NFB state convention.
> > How
> > about I forward your message on to Pam Allan and she can maybe
> suggest
> > what
> > you might want to consider.
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> > The Constantly Barefooted,
> > Ray
> > Home phone and fax:
> > (985)853-0139
> > E-mail:
> > rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
> > Skype Name:
> > barefootedray
> > Blog:
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> > God bless President George W. Bush!
> > God bless our troops!
> > and God bless America
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Meskys" < mailto:edmeskys at localnet.com edmeskys at localnet.com
>
> > To: "nfb-talk" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:44 AM
> > Subject: [nfb-talk] state con attendance
> >
> >
> > When I first became NH state president in 1988 the first few state
> > conventions I put on had about 100-120 attendees, up about 20% from
> > the
> > previous president, because I did a lot of outreach to find former
> and
> > new
> > members, and initiated a state newsletter. We had been drifting
> down
> > ever
> > since, to under 50. Last year we had our 50th anniversary, and got
> > more
> > attendees, but with people muttering about our programs being the
> > "same old,
> > same old." This year we decided to devote our whole morning to a
> topic
> > important to blind persons and many others in a rural state, the
> > future of
> > transportation in NH. We made it a one-day con, with a luncheon
> > banquet, and
> > the National report, some technology, mobility, and our business
> > meeting in
> > he afternoon. With the help of Blind Services, the talking book
> > library, the
> > Governor's Commission on Disabilities, and Granite State
> Independent
> > Living
> > (Foundation) we distributed over 2000 flyers, and aside from
> program
> > participants we had only 30 attendees. Our officers are very
> > disappointed,
> > and are saying it cost so much money to put on and advertise the
> con,
> > and
> > put in so much work, that we will pull back and only have a
> business
> > meeting
> > with lunch in the back room of a restaurant next year. Are other
> > states
> > having the same problem getting attendance at a con?
> >
> > We are using an Imagination Grant to put on a one-day tech expo
> next
> > April,
> > which is not a convention (cons are normally in October or
> November).
> > If
> > this flops too, I think the board will be devastated. We lined up
> an
> > excellent panel of five experts and administrators for the
> > transportation
> > panel, and are working on getting excellent speakers for the tech
> > expo.
> >
> > Incidentally, the results of our state elections were:
> > continuing constitutional officers:
> > Marie Johnson, President
> > Gil Vickery, FVP.
> > Judy Leavitt, SVP
> > Ed Meskys, secretary
> > Lucille Lynch, treasurer
> > and our new slate of untitled board positions is:
> > Julie Clark (new)
> > Wayne Harvey (new)
> > Donald Little (new)
> > John Parker (returning)
> > Stephen Yerardi (returning)
> >
> > Best, Ed Meskys
> >
> >
> > Edmund R. Meskys
> > NIEKAS Publications
> > National Federation of the Blind of N.H.
> > Moultonboro Lions Club
> > mailto:edmeskys at localnet.com edmeskys at localnet.com
> > 322 Whittier Hwy
> > Moultonboro NH 03254-3627
> > my credo:
> > Clinton lied, nothing happened
> > Bush lied, thousands died
> > and over 3,000 permanently brain injured
> >
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