[nfb-talk] josh and cps

Thu Mar 8 19:12:15 CST 2007

Hello Josh:
First of all congradulations on the addition to your family. If this one is your first, wow! are you in for a ride.
Secondly, I am sorry that CPS was called on you and your wife. Recently, here in Arizona, I was made aware of a situation where a hospital called CPS on a blind couple after their child was born. I guess this is on an upswing?

Third, let us know how we can help; many of us are blind parents of blind children, blind parents of sighted children, sighted parents of blind children and foremost parents with children.

Mark Feliz
National Federation of the Blind of Arizona
East Valley Chapter President
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> 1. Rehab Counselor Position, Twin Cities (David Andrews)
> 2. Re: Fw: [nabs-l] Navy Denies Blind PersonsOpportunity To Take
> Public TourOf USS JFK Ship In BostonHarbor - Allows Other
> DisabledVisitors To Board (T. Joseph Carter)
> 3. David the rocket scientist (T. Joseph Carter)
> 4. Re: The JFK Battleship Incident (T. Joseph Carter)
> 5. Re: The JFK Battleship Incident (T. Joseph Carter)
> 6. Re: The JFK CVN Incident (Wm. Ritchhart)
> 7. child protection services (Josh)
> 8. Re: child protection services (dmgina)
> 9. Re: child protection services (Josh)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:35:57 -0600
>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: [nfb-talk] Rehab Counselor Position, Twin Cities
>To: rehab at nfbnet.org, mn-abs at nfbnet.org, jobs at nfbnet.org,
> Ccb-alumni at nfbnet.org, La-students at nfbnet.org, humanser at nfbnet.org,
> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org, blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>
>POSITION: Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor ? Senior
>This position is in the WorkForce Development
>Unit of Minnesota State Services for the
>Blind. The position offices in St. Paul, MN and
>provides vocational rehabilitation services to
>customers who are blind or visually impaired in
>the greater Twin Cities Metro region. Counselors
>are expected to provide all services as required
>and delineated in the Rehabilitation Act of 1973
>as amended including eligibility, comprehensive
>assessment, plan development and implementation,
>job development and job placement and support
>toward successful competitive employment and case closure.
>
>This position requires a Masters degree in
>Vocational Rehabilitation Counseling. It is a
>full time position, 8-4:30, M-F and requires
>travel in and around the Twin Cities Metro
>area. Salary range is $34,389 - $49,966 and
>there is opportunity for advancement.
>
>TO APPLY: Go to
><file:///http://www.doer.state.mn.us/>www.doer.state.mn.us
>and post your resume in the Resumix System. The
>vacancy posting can also be found on this
>website, reference number 07DEED000033. Follow
>the instructions for applying. Should you
>require assistance or additional information,
>contact Sue Zeches at 651-259-7107.
>
>
>David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:15:54 -0700
>From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjcarter at bluecherry.net>
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: [nabs-l] Navy Denies Blind
> PersonsOpportunity To Take Public TourOf USS JFK Ship In BostonHarbor
> - Allows Other DisabledVisitors To Board
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Message-ID: <20070307231554.GD1669 at bluecherry.net>
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>
>How the *expletives deleted* do you set this kind of thing up? You have a
>blind person go and take a tour with the expectation that they're going to
>either be allowed to take it or not. The response from the Navy set this
>up, if anything. Of course we're going to respond--and I hope said other
>organization would respond too.
>
>Now, I suspect they'd respond by insisting on different redress than we
>will, but they shouldn't and wouldn't dismiss the issue.
>
>
>On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:46:28PM -0800, Mike Freeman wrote:
> > Would you believe that a person in the other organization said that a
> > rumor going around those parts said that we (NFB) set this one up? Said
> > person doesn't believe it.
> >
> > Mike
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:24:01 -0700
>From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjcarter at bluecherry.net>
>Subject: [nfb-talk] David the rocket scientist
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Message-ID: <20070307232401.GE1669 at bluecherry.net>
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>So David, you went from designing rockets, rovers, and the F-117-A (which
>is one very cool bird, BTW) to working on public transit? Can you tell me
>if all of your vast experience doing the seemingly impossible is going to
>get us more deployment of next stop technology so we don't have to try and
>figure out that "BRFFFFWFFF" means "Broadway"?
>
>Just trying to lighten the mood a little. *grin*
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:32:06 -0700
>From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjcarter at bluecherry.net>
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] The JFK Battleship Incident
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
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>I think the biggest concern they're going to have is that we'll wang our
>heads on some pipes or bulkhead openings or something. Or maybe they
>figure something might be open and we'd fall into it--though this latter
>point is trivially disprovable. The former does seem to be a problem for
>those whose travel training isn't the best (but also for sighted people
>who just aren't paying attention.)
>
>Proving that we can find low-hanging pipes and the like before we run into
>them might dispel some of the legitimate concerns, but having to prove
>this same issue again and again just in my own life has grown tedious.
>
>On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 03:15:49PM -0500, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] wrote:
> > I was afraid of that. When we were in Louisville 2 years ago, we went
> > on a river boat. If the blind can navigate a river boat, why can't they
> > navigat a Navy ship. I was on that river boat and got attact by
> > insects. I wonder what they would say to that question, accept that the
> > river boat is smaller. They have no other way to defend themselves.
> > The blind are more capable of getting around opsticles on a boat than a
> > person in a wheel chair, and they exclude the more able!
> > Terry Powers
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kaye zimpher [mailto:kayezimpher at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:07 PM
> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] The JFK Battleship Incident
> >
> > That would be neat although Atlanta is about 4 and half hours from the
> > water
> > depending on who is driving. The closest water that is not man made is
> > the
> > coastline of Savannah.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] The JFK Battleship Incident
> >
> >
> > > This may sound kind of crazy, but how close is Atlanta to the water.
> > If
> > > it is close, we could schedule a tour of a Navy boat and prove that we
> > > are capable blind people and are equal.
> > > Just a thought.
> > > Terry Powers
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brian Miller [mailto:brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:46 PM
> > > To: NFB Talk Mailing List; Beth Wright
> > > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] The JFK Battleship Incident
> > >
> > > This incident is definitely frustrating and disturbing, though not
> > > surprising in the least.
> > >
> > > I wonder what our options are here -- Can we really sue the U. S. Navy
> > > as so
> > > many of these articles say we intend to do? I have my doubts that
> > this
> > > is
> > > possible, given sovereign imunity protections, and the unique ways in
> > > which
> > > military facilities protect themselves from laws of accessibility.
> > >
> > > Brian MIller
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Beth Wright" <beth.wright at mindspring.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing
> > List"
> > > <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] The JFK Battleship Incident
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Dear All,
> > >>
> > >> This is the same battle we have been fighting with the cruise lines
> > > for
> > >> years.
> > >> It does not seem to matter how many times we tell them that there is
> > > nothing
> > >> on a ship such as bulkhead doors, ladders, stairs and the like, that
> > > are
> > > not
> > >> present in any large building.
> > >> Stepping over a bulkhead hatchway is the same as stepping over a
> > > parking
> > > lot
> > >> bumper. Ladders and stairs are the same as those found in any common
> > >> building. Anyone ever had to climb up in a attic? or down into a
> > > basement.
> > >> As a NAVY brat and blind since the age of 16, I have been aboard many
> > >> warships including submarines, and everything else up to both
> > aircraft
> > >> carriers and two IOWA class battleships.
> > >> In fact one of the last warships I was on was the USS Yorktown
> > > before it
> > >> was decommissioned. I still have my hat with it's name on it that I
> > > bought
> > >> when on board.
> > >> This was ridiculous for them to turn him away.
> > >> AS we who are Blind well know, there are good blind travelers and bad
> > > blind
> > >> travelers.
> > >> The good ones don't need anyone to go with them because they have
> > good
> > >> skills. The bad blind travelers never go anywhere without someone to
> > > help
> > >> them.
> > >> As someone who has always been proud of being associated with the U.
> > > S.
> > >> NAVY, I must say that the NAVY is all wet on this one.
> > >> I think that we must fight for this to be changed once and for all or
> > > others
> > >> may use it to deny us access in other places.
> > >> This, in my opinion, is a black eye for the NAVY in which my father
> > > served
> > >> for almost 40 years seeing action in World War 2, Korea and two tours
> > > in
> > >> Viet Nam before his retirement.
> > >> My father did not raise me to be a quitter or to take second place.
> > >> Even with my blindness at age 16, I finished high school, have 2
> > > college
> > >> degrees, was on one US Olympic Team, NCAA National championship team
> > > and
> > > Pan
> > >> American Team in Track, worked as a Nuclear/Aerospace materials
> > > Engineer,
> > >> built the Lunar Rovers that sit on the Moon and several noted
> > aircraft
> > >> including the F-117-A Stealth Fighter
> > >> Today I work for a national transit company and serve on several
> > board
> > > that
> > >> oversee transit services where I work to improve access to Public
> > >> Transportation to Para-transit, fixed route services and commuter
> > > rail.
> > >> I know the next time there is Fleet Week here in South Florida I am
> > > going
> > > to
> > >> be there and the Marines and Shore patrol are going to have there
> > > hands
> > > full
> > >> with all of the Blind People I am going to bring them to tour the
> > > ships.
> > >>
> > >> David Evans, NFBF
> > >> .
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Beth Wright" <beth.wright at mindspring.com>
> > >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:42 AM
> > >> Subject: [nfb-talk] The JFK Battleship Incident
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Hi, folks.
> > >> >
> > >> > In case you haven't checked our website, there's been a follow-up
> > to
> > > last
> > >> > weekend's incident with the battleship. Not only did the Navy not
> > > back
> > >> > down, but they said that, had the blind guy been accompanied by a
> > > sighted
> > >> > person, they would gladly have let him tour the ship. How long
> > have
> > > we
> > >> > got
> > >> > to keep fighting these battles until they finally get it? It's the
> > > same
> > >> > old
> > >> > thing. Shut up. Be reasonable, be grateful, and don't cause any
> > > trouble.
> > >> > Look at all those other blind people. They're not making a fuss.
> > >> >
> > >> > Well, what they don't realize is that the same blind people who
> > > appear
> > >> > docile and grateful in public are the first ones to turn to the NFB
> > > when
> > >> > they encounter discrimination and they can't get the sighted to
> > take
> > > them
> > >> > seriously. Let's keep up the fight!
> > >> >
> > >> > Beth Wright
> > >> >
> > >> >
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:33:48 -0700
>From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjcarter at bluecherry.net>
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] The JFK Battleship Incident
>To: william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net, NFB Talk Mailing List
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Message-ID: <20070307233348.GG1669 at bluecherry.net>
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>William, if you listen to the Navy, we're not regular civilians. *grin*
>
>Seriously though, if we can handle a submarine, we could easily manage a
>carrier!
>
>On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 06:07:33PM -0500, Wm. Ritchhart wrote:
> > Terry,
> >
> > It is not close at all! It's a five to six hour ride from Atlanta to
> > the Closest Naval base in South East Georgia. Kings Bay is a Submarine
> > base. I do not believe any regular civilians are allowed to tour
> > Nuclear Submarines.
> >
> >
> > William
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:58:19 -0500
>From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] The JFK CVN Incident
>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Message-ID: <00c701c76114$7be146f0$4001a8c0 at RITCHHART>
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>Agreed! Although the Navy doesn't acknowledge that we are regular
>civilians, we are just as regular as the rest of the population.
>
>
>William
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:34 PM
>To: william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net; NFB Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] The JFK Battleship Incident
>
>William, if you listen to the Navy, we're not regular civilians. *grin*
>
>Seriously though, if we can handle a submarine, we could easily manage a
>carrier!
>
>On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 06:07:33PM -0500, Wm. Ritchhart wrote:
> > Terry,
> >
> > It is not close at all! It's a five to six hour ride from Atlanta to
> > the Closest Naval base in South East Georgia. Kings Bay is a
>Submarine
> > base. I do not believe any regular civilians are allowed to tour
> > Nuclear Submarines.
> >
> >
> > William
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:03:04 -0500
>From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>Subject: [nfb-talk] child protection services
>To: "Beth Wright" <beth.wright at mindspring.com>, "NFB Talk Mailing
> List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Message-ID: <004c01c76125$e9658fe0$6401a8c0 at kutztownstudent>
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> reply-type=original
>
>Hi,
>
>Recently someone called child protection services on my wife and our new
>born baby. We're trying to find out who did it. Was it anyone on this list?
>
>josh
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:18:32 -0700
>From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] child protection services
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Message-ID: <084001c76130$73d6a600$642da8c0 at DMGina>
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>
>Josh,
>I am sorry this happened.I
> never did learn when the baby was born.
>Congratulations to both of you.
>I sure wish you and your wife could be on your own and away from parents.
>Is the baby a boy or girl?
>What did you name him/her.
>
>
>--Dar
>wishing a
>backTpack
>call me at
>406-259-1124
>Every Saint has a past,
>Every sinner has a future ,
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>To: "Beth Wright" <beth.wright at mindspring.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
><nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:03 PM
>Subject: [nfb-talk] child protection services
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Recently someone called child protection services on my wife and our new
> > born baby. We're trying to find out who did it. Was it anyone on this
> > list?
> >
> > josh
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nfb-talk mailing list
> > nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
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> > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 3/7/2007
> > 9:24 AM
> >
> >
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:35:53 -0500
>From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] child protection services
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Message-ID: <01c001c76132$e0f721e0$6401a8c0 at kutztownstudent>
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>
>the baby is a boy and his name is Aaron. He was born on March fifth, 2007.
>
>Josh
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] child protection services
>
>
> > Josh,
> > I am sorry this happened.I
> > never did learn when the baby was born.
> > Congratulations to both of you.
> > I sure wish you and your wife could be on your own and away from parents.
> > Is the baby a boy or girl?
> > What did you name him/her.
> >
> >
> > --Dar
> > wishing a
> > backTpack
> > call me at
> > 406-259-1124
> > Every Saint has a past,
> > Every sinner has a future ,
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> > To: "Beth Wright" <beth.wright at mindspring.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
> > <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:03 PM
> > Subject: [nfb-talk] child protection services
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Recently someone called child protection services on my wife and our new
> >> born baby. We're trying to find out who did it. Was it anyone on this
> >> list?
> >>
> >> josh
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nfb-talk mailing list
> >> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 3/7/2007
> >> 9:24 AM
> >>
> >>
> >
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