[nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Mon Feb 12 23:28:39 CST 2007
Laura:
The email didn't make it to the list because I replied to you privately.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
> This is what I mean about list mail going either to the sender or to
> the
> list.
> Mike, hope you don't mind my posting your reply to my mail along with
> my
> mail that didn't get to the list...
> Happy photographing all!
> --le
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>
>
> But they *are* devices for the light-dependent. Pretending anything
> else
> is pretending to be sighted IMO. <g>
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
> To: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>
>
>> Well Mike, in the case of a crime or accident situation where the
>> blind
>> person is an observer, either you gamble on partial success or you
>> don't
>> gamble and failure is a certainty. Most cell phones have cameras
>> these
>> days, many blind people carry the phones, so why not take a
>> picture...
>> Be
>> real. I'm not suggesting they become pro photographers, just learn to
>> have a
>> little fun with their cameras, rather than shun them as adaptive
>> devices for
>> the light dependent... *smile*
>> --le
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>>
>> Laura:
>>
>> As I say, I think you're really stretching it here. You'd have to be
>> damned lucky to get a good image. And I, for one, am not a gambling
>> man.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>>
>>> Well Mike, if the blind person already knew how to work the camera
>>> there
>>> wouldn't be the delay...isn't that the point? Why not get familiar
>>> with
>>> one's cell phone camera?
>>> And besides, it doesn't take that long to take a picture, and if the
>>> crime
>>> were committed against someone else the blind person might have
>>> enough
>>> time
>>> to act. But the problem needn't be criminal in nature -- as I said,
>>> pictures of accident scenes can be useful to fire/police services.
>>> So I stand by my first impression on this issue.
>>> I confess I did agree that a blind person going into the field of
>>> photography is a stretch, but just being familiar with a camera I
>>> think is a
>>> worthy and useful goal.
>>> Cheers.
>>> --le
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>>
>>> Laura:
>>>
>>> With respect, someone *did* respond. And he said just what I'm going
>>> to
>>> say: if there's a crime in progress, you're not going to have time
>>> or
>>> opportunity to whip out your cellphone camera, figure out how to
>>> work
>>> it, take a picture and save it, let alone know whether the thing is
>>> in
>>> focus and whether you're aiming at the right place.
>>>
>>> In other words, in the opinion of this curmudgeon, you're stretching
>>> things quite a bit to try to come up with an excuse to have a
>>> cellphone
>>> with a camera outside of the processor power and memory required for
>>> speech software and your suggestion is impractical. Moreover, do you
>>> really believe that a bank robber or a mugger is going to give you
>>> time
>>> to calmly take a picture with your cellphone?
>>>
>>> Having been my curmudgeonly self, I will admit that I have called
>>> 911
>>> with several emergencies using a two-meter FM handheld amateur
>>> handy-talky and an autopatch on a repeater -- this was years before
>>> there was any such thing as a cellphone. In one instance, I could
>>> well
>>> have been shot but I was young, bold and foolish and I'm not sure
>>> the
>>> robber (who was looking right at me across a parking lot) quite
>>> realized
>>> what I was doing.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>>
>>>>I still think, and no one has responded, that being familiar with a
>>>>camera
>>>> can help a blind person photograph info that might be of use to
>>>> police
>>>> in
>>>> case of an accident or something. If the camera is in a cell phone,
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> it be nice to photograph a pic and send it to 911 if the case
>>>> required? or
>>>> get a license plate of a car?
>>>> Just a thought. It sounds a little paranoid perhaps, a blind
>>>> person
>>>> keeping
>>>> a camera around in case a calamity happens, but hey, calamities do
>>>> happen...
>>>> Anyway, I have some cute pics of my dog that I use as background on
>>>> my
>>>> cell
>>>> phone, which people enjoy...
>>>> Take care.
>>>> --le
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]"
>>>> <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Brian and Mike;
>>>> I sure agree with both of you. I can imagine a high partial
>>>> enjoying
>>>> pictures but a total is crazy! Like Mike said, the pictures the
>>>> totally
>>>> blind person took do not show their visual view of things. Their
>>>> view
>>>> is darkness. Any kid can snap a camera. A good photographer needs
>>>> to
>>>> focus and choose when to take the picture.
>>>> Photography is an art. If you can not see it, feal it or hear it,
>>>> how
>>>> can you actually do it and say it is you work of art?
>>>>
>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Brian Miller [mailto:brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu]
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:37 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>>
>>>> I certainly think there is nothing wrong with wanting to understand
>>>> how
>>>> photography works, take pictures, or have pictures taken of you to
>>>> show
>>>> to
>>>> others -- this is all part of understanding and engaging in a world
>>>> that
>>>> is
>>>> relentlessly visual and driven by the photographic image. However,
>>>> I
>>>> stop
>>>> short when the sighted assert that a blind guy taking pictures
>>>> somehow
>>>> tells
>>>> them something about being blind, apart from the fact that the
>>>> blind
>>>> person
>>>> is less likely to get off a good picture.
>>>>
>>>> Brian Miller
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> GW:
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, I have no objection to blind persons operating cameras
>>>> though I
>>>>> cannot for the life of me fathom what they (the blind persons)
>>>>> would
>>>> get
>>>> out
>>>>> of the exercise other than being able to play with nifty gadgetry.
>>>> Where I
>>>>> got off the train was when the one of the persons quoted in the
>>>> article
>>>>> maintained that viewing the photos would give the sighted a
>>>>> glimpse
>>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>>> world of the blind. To engage in aliteration for a moment, that's
>>>>> pure
>>>>> piffle!
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I think it's quite important that blind persons have some
>>>>> grasp
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>>> visual arts, if for no other reason that they are part of the
>>>>> culture
>>>> we
>>>>> inhabit. So more power to you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "George McDermith" <blind_paladin at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings all!
>>>>>
>>>>> I just joined up with the list and am pleased I did
>>>>> so.
>>>>> Engaging dialog seems to be the name of the game on this list. I
>>>> should
>>>>> have expected it with RyanO and other delightful people I
>>>>> recognize
>>>>> involved. *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the blind photographer I think the issue
>>>>> can
>>>> be
>>>>> taken many different ways. On the one hand of course passing is
>>>>> silly
>>>> and
>>>>> not useful. On the other hand I find nothing harmful from my
>>>> viewpoint of
>>>>> doing something one enjoys, regardless of what it is. If I enjoy
>>>> having
>>>>> pictures described to me at an art museum, an activity most view
>>>>> as
>>>>> a
>>>>> sighted one, am I attempting to be sighted? Would individuals
>>>>> mistake
>>>> me
>>>>> for such, or would they view my different enjoyment of a common
>>>> activity
>>>> as
>>>>> an alternative technique. Some of course will be ignorant, but
>>>>> they
>>>> will
>>>> be
>>>>> so regardless of whether I am doing something I enjoy or not.
>>>> Additionally
>>>>> I can take the opportunity to educate them on what blindness is
>>>>> and
>>>> isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe this photo story falls into this category
>>>>> of
>>>> blind
>>>>> people doing something they enjoy. My thoughts anyway, I am
>>>>> looking
>>>> forward
>>>>> to a great discussion on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks for having me on this list, it will be
>>>> superb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> G.W. (George McDermith, Colorado Springs)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I can do all things through him who strengthens
>>>>> me." -Philippians
>>>> 4:13
>>>>> (ESV)
>>>>>
>>>>> www.christian-gamers-guild.org/sof.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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