[nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
Laura Eaves
leaves1 at carolina.rr.com
Mon Feb 12 18:37:46 CST 2007
This is what I mean about list mail going either to the sender or to the
list.
Mike, hope you don't mind my posting your reply to my mail along with my
mail that didn't get to the list...
Happy photographing all!
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
But they *are* devices for the light-dependent. Pretending anything else
is pretending to be sighted IMO. <g>
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
To: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
> Well Mike, in the case of a crime or accident situation where the
> blind
> person is an observer, either you gamble on partial success or you
> don't
> gamble and failure is a certainty. Most cell phones have cameras
> these
> days, many blind people carry the phones, so why not take a picture...
> Be
> real. I'm not suggesting they become pro photographers, just learn to
> have a
> little fun with their cameras, rather than shun them as adaptive
> devices for
> the light dependent... *smile*
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>
>
> Laura:
>
> As I say, I think you're really stretching it here. You'd have to be
> damned lucky to get a good image. And I, for one, am not a gambling
> man.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>
>
>> Well Mike, if the blind person already knew how to work the camera
>> there
>> wouldn't be the delay...isn't that the point? Why not get familiar
>> with
>> one's cell phone camera?
>> And besides, it doesn't take that long to take a picture, and if the
>> crime
>> were committed against someone else the blind person might have
>> enough
>> time
>> to act. But the problem needn't be criminal in nature -- as I said,
>> pictures of accident scenes can be useful to fire/police services.
>> So I stand by my first impression on this issue.
>> I confess I did agree that a blind person going into the field of
>> photography is a stretch, but just being familiar with a camera I
>> think is a
>> worthy and useful goal.
>> Cheers.
>> --le
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>>
>> Laura:
>>
>> With respect, someone *did* respond. And he said just what I'm going
>> to
>> say: if there's a crime in progress, you're not going to have time or
>> opportunity to whip out your cellphone camera, figure out how to work
>> it, take a picture and save it, let alone know whether the thing is
>> in
>> focus and whether you're aiming at the right place.
>>
>> In other words, in the opinion of this curmudgeon, you're stretching
>> things quite a bit to try to come up with an excuse to have a
>> cellphone
>> with a camera outside of the processor power and memory required for
>> speech software and your suggestion is impractical. Moreover, do you
>> really believe that a bank robber or a mugger is going to give you
>> time
>> to calmly take a picture with your cellphone?
>>
>> Having been my curmudgeonly self, I will admit that I have called 911
>> with several emergencies using a two-meter FM handheld amateur
>> handy-talky and an autopatch on a repeater -- this was years before
>> there was any such thing as a cellphone. In one instance, I could
>> well
>> have been shot but I was young, bold and foolish and I'm not sure the
>> robber (who was looking right at me across a parking lot) quite
>> realized
>> what I was doing.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>>
>>>I still think, and no one has responded, that being familiar with a
>>>camera
>>> can help a blind person photograph info that might be of use to
>>> police
>>> in
>>> case of an accident or something. If the camera is in a cell phone,
>>> wouldn't
>>> it be nice to photograph a pic and send it to 911 if the case
>>> required? or
>>> get a license plate of a car?
>>> Just a thought. It sounds a little paranoid perhaps, a blind person
>>> keeping
>>> a camera around in case a calamity happens, but hey, calamities do
>>> happen...
>>> Anyway, I have some cute pics of my dog that I use as background on
>>> my
>>> cell
>>> phone, which people enjoy...
>>> Take care.
>>> --le
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]"
>>> <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Brian and Mike;
>>> I sure agree with both of you. I can imagine a high partial
>>> enjoying
>>> pictures but a total is crazy! Like Mike said, the pictures the
>>> totally
>>> blind person took do not show their visual view of things. Their
>>> view
>>> is darkness. Any kid can snap a camera. A good photographer needs
>>> to
>>> focus and choose when to take the picture.
>>> Photography is an art. If you can not see it, feal it or hear it,
>>> how
>>> can you actually do it and say it is you work of art?
>>>
>>> Terry Powers
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brian Miller [mailto:brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:37 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>> I certainly think there is nothing wrong with wanting to understand
>>> how
>>> photography works, take pictures, or have pictures taken of you to
>>> show
>>> to
>>> others -- this is all part of understanding and engaging in a world
>>> that
>>> is
>>> relentlessly visual and driven by the photographic image. However,
>>> I
>>> stop
>>> short when the sighted assert that a blind guy taking pictures
>>> somehow
>>> tells
>>> them something about being blind, apart from the fact that the blind
>>> person
>>> is less likely to get off a good picture.
>>>
>>> Brian Miller
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>>
>>>> GW:
>>>>
>>>> As I said, I have no objection to blind persons operating cameras
>>> though I
>>>> cannot for the life of me fathom what they (the blind persons)
>>>> would
>>> get
>>> out
>>>> of the exercise other than being able to play with nifty gadgetry.
>>> Where I
>>>> got off the train was when the one of the persons quoted in the
>>> article
>>>> maintained that viewing the photos would give the sighted a glimpse
>>>> of
>>> the
>>>> world of the blind. To engage in aliteration for a moment, that's
>>>> pure
>>>> piffle!
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I think it's quite important that blind persons have some
>>>> grasp
>>> of
>>> the
>>>> visual arts, if for no other reason that they are part of the
>>>> culture
>>> we
>>>> inhabit. So more power to you!
>>>>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "George McDermith" <blind_paladin at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:26 AM
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings all!
>>>>
>>>> I just joined up with the list and am pleased I did
>>>> so.
>>>> Engaging dialog seems to be the name of the game on this list. I
>>> should
>>>> have expected it with RyanO and other delightful people I recognize
>>>> involved. *smile*
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the blind photographer I think the issue
>>>> can
>>> be
>>>> taken many different ways. On the one hand of course passing is
>>>> silly
>>> and
>>>> not useful. On the other hand I find nothing harmful from my
>>> viewpoint of
>>>> doing something one enjoys, regardless of what it is. If I enjoy
>>> having
>>>> pictures described to me at an art museum, an activity most view as
>>>> a
>>>> sighted one, am I attempting to be sighted? Would individuals
>>>> mistake
>>> me
>>>> for such, or would they view my different enjoyment of a common
>>> activity
>>> as
>>>> an alternative technique. Some of course will be ignorant, but
>>>> they
>>> will
>>> be
>>>> so regardless of whether I am doing something I enjoy or not.
>>> Additionally
>>>> I can take the opportunity to educate them on what blindness is and
>>> isn't.
>>>>
>>>> I believe this photo story falls into this category
>>>> of
>>> blind
>>>> people doing something they enjoy. My thoughts anyway, I am
>>>> looking
>>> forward
>>>> to a great discussion on it.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for having me on this list, it will be
>>> superb.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> G.W. (George McDermith, Colorado Springs)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I can do all things through him who strengthens
>>>> me." -Philippians
>>> 4:13
>>>> (ESV)
>>>>
>>>> www.christian-gamers-guild.org/sof.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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