[nfb-talk] Blind Photographer

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Mon Feb 12 16:26:46 CST 2007 

Laura:

As I say, I think you're really stretching it here. You'd have to be 
damned lucky to get a good image. And I, for one, am not a gambling man.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer


> Well Mike, if the blind person already knew how to work the camera 
> there
> wouldn't be the delay...isn't that the point? Why not get familiar 
> with
> one's cell phone camera?
> And besides, it doesn't take that long to take a picture, and if the 
> crime
> were committed against someone else the blind person might have enough 
> time
> to act.  But the problem needn't be criminal in nature -- as I said,
> pictures of accident scenes can be useful to fire/police services.
> So I stand by my first impression on this issue.
> I confess I did agree that a blind person going into the field of
> photography is a stretch, but just being familiar with a camera I 
> think is a
> worthy and useful goal.
> Cheers.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>
>
> Laura:
>
> With respect, someone *did* respond. And he said just what I'm going 
> to
> say: if there's a crime in progress, you're not going to have time or
> opportunity to whip out your cellphone camera, figure out how to work
> it, take a picture and save it, let alone know whether the thing is in
> focus and whether you're aiming at the right place.
>
> In other words, in the opinion of this curmudgeon, you're stretching
> things quite a bit to try to come up with an excuse to have a 
> cellphone
> with a camera outside of the processor power and memory required for
> speech software and your suggestion is impractical. Moreover, do you
> really believe that a bank robber or a mugger is going to give you 
> time
> to calmly take a picture with your cellphone?
>
> Having been my curmudgeonly self, I will admit that I have called 911
> with several emergencies using a two-meter FM handheld amateur
> handy-talky and an autopatch on a repeater -- this was years before
> there was any such thing as a cellphone. In one instance, I could well
> have been shot but I was young, bold and foolish and I'm not sure the
> robber (who was looking right at me across a parking lot) quite 
> realized
> what I was doing.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>
>
>>I still think, and no one has responded, that being familiar with a
>>camera
>> can help a blind person photograph info that might be of use to 
>> police
>> in
>> case of an accident or something. If the camera is in a cell phone,
>> wouldn't
>> it be nice to photograph a pic and send it to 911 if the case
>> required? or
>> get a license plate of a car?
>> Just a thought.  It sounds a little paranoid perhaps, a blind person
>> keeping
>> a camera around in case a calamity happens, but hey, calamities do
>> happen...
>> Anyway, I have some cute pics of my dog that I use as background on 
>> my
>> cell
>> phone, which people enjoy...
>> Take care.
>> --le
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>>
>> Hi Brian and Mike;
>> I sure agree with both of you.  I can imagine a high partial enjoying
>> pictures but a total is crazy!  Like Mike said, the pictures the
>> totally
>> blind person took do not show their visual view of things.  Their 
>> view
>> is darkness.  Any kid can snap a camera.  A good photographer needs 
>> to
>> focus and choose when to take the picture.
>> Photography is an art.  If you can not see it, feal it or hear it, 
>> how
>> can you actually do it and say it is you work of art?
>>
>> Terry Powers
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian Miller [mailto:brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:37 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>> I certainly think there is nothing wrong with wanting to understand
>> how
>> photography works, take pictures, or have pictures taken of you to
>> show
>> to
>> others -- this is all part of understanding and engaging in a world
>> that
>> is
>> relentlessly visual and driven by the photographic image.  However, I
>> stop
>> short when the sighted assert that a blind guy taking pictures 
>> somehow
>> tells
>> them something about being blind, apart from the fact that the blind
>> person
>> is less likely to get off a good picture.
>>
>> Brian Miller
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>>
>>> GW:
>>>
>>> As I said, I have no objection to blind persons operating cameras
>> though I
>>> cannot for the life of me fathom what they (the blind persons) would
>> get
>> out
>>> of the exercise other than being able to play with nifty gadgetry.
>> Where I
>>> got off the train was when the one of the persons quoted in the
>> article
>>> maintained that viewing the photos would give the sighted a glimpse
>>> of
>> the
>>> world of the blind. To engage in aliteration for a moment, that's
>>> pure
>>> piffle!
>>>
>>> BTW, I think it's quite important that blind persons have some grasp
>> of
>> the
>>> visual arts, if for no other reason that they are part of the 
>>> culture
>> we
>>> inhabit. So more power to you!
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "George McDermith" <blind_paladin at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:26 AM
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>>
>>>             Greetings all!
>>>
>>>               I just joined up with the list and am pleased I did 
>>> so.
>>> Engaging dialog seems to be the name of the game on this list.  I
>> should
>>> have expected it with RyanO and other delightful people I recognize
>>> involved.  *smile*
>>>
>>>               Regarding the blind photographer I think the issue can
>> be
>>> taken many different ways.  On the one hand of course passing is
>>> silly
>> and
>>> not useful.  On the other hand I find nothing harmful from my
>> viewpoint of
>>> doing something one enjoys, regardless of what it is.  If I enjoy
>> having
>>> pictures described to me at an art museum, an activity most view as 
>>> a
>>> sighted one, am I attempting to be sighted?  Would individuals
>>> mistake
>> me
>>> for such, or would they view my different enjoyment of a common
>> activity
>> as
>>> an alternative technique.  Some of course will be ignorant, but they
>> will
>> be
>>> so regardless of whether I am doing something I enjoy or not.
>> Additionally
>>> I can take the opportunity to educate them on what blindness is and
>> isn't.
>>>
>>>               I believe this photo story falls into this category of
>> blind
>>> people doing something they enjoy.  My thoughts anyway, I am looking
>> forward
>>> to a great discussion on it.
>>>
>>>               Many thanks for having me on this list, it will be
>> superb.
>>>
>>>               Sincerely,
>>>
>>>               G.W. (George McDermith, Colorado Springs)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   "I can do all things through him who strengthens me." -Philippians
>> 4:13
>>> (ESV)
>>>
>>>   www.christian-gamers-guild.org/sof.html
>>>
>>>
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