[nfb-talk] Blind Photographer

Mon Feb 12 15:22:58 CST 2007

Hi all -- I see this mail didn't get to the list, although I intended it 
to -- what is the defined behavior of this list when you reply to a message? 
It seems like sometimes it goes to the sender and sometimes to the list.
Cheers.
--le
******* original message ******
Well, perhaps if you are the victim it would be a little hard, but if you
overhear something going down then it might be useful... I was just thinking
of a person on an unnamed list who is blind and who had a family member
attacked in the home -- her elderly and incoherent mother -- and when the
police came, even though the woman had been injured, since she was
incoherent and the daughter was blind, they just apologized and said they
could do nothing as there was no credible witness.
Quite sad and very frustrating.
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Westbrook" <
westbc at clw19.com>
To: "Laura Eaves" <
leaves1 at carolina.rr.com
>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer

Only problem with that is, if a crime is being committed against you, the
last thing you'll be thinking about is that bloody camera!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Eaves" <
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To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer

> Hey all, one very important application of a camera for a blind person I
> would think would be to photograph an accident or a crime in progress to
> have a photo handy to identify the perpetrator.
>
> I have often heard of crimes committed against blind persons where the
> perpetrator gets away with it because there is no "eye witness".  Well, if
> there's a picture the problem is solved.
> So put the "date stamp" on on your cell phone camera and keep it handy for
> emergency use in case you have the opportunity to use it!
>
> Just a thought.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kaye zimpher" <
kayezimpher at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <
nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>
>
> To me, it is just one more thing that we are capable of doing that some of
> us did not know we could do and that the world definitely does not know we
> can do. I don't think it goes much beond that.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <
awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: <
william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net
>; "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"
> <
nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>
>
>> Yeah, it shows that, but it doesn't, as this "shows something about the
>> blind" would imply, expose our soul or our inner selves to the world.
>> That
>> is what I was getting at.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Wm. Ritchhart
>> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:07 AM
>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>> Yes it does show something!  A blind photographer can take just as crummy
>> or
>> just as good a picture as the average sighted person.
>>
>> I really cannot see the big deal.  Today for the most part, you point the
>> camera at the target and push the button.  What is the big deal
>> about that?
>>
>>
>> William
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:42 PM
>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>> Actually?  I wouldn't put too much into this whole idea of photographs
>> showing the viewer something about the blind person who took the photows.
>> Sounds like (pardon my language) artsy-fartsy talk for saying that
>> artistic
>> expression is an expression of a person's soul.  Not that I
>> wholeheartedly
>> agree with that, but that is what I think those people are trying to say
>> when they say that the photos show them something about being blind.
>> LOL!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Brian Miller
>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:37 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>> I certainly think there is nothing wrong with wanting to understand how
>> photography works, take pictures, or have pictures taken of you to show
>> to
>> others -- this is all part of understanding and engaging in a world that
>> is
>> relentlessly visual and driven by the photographic image.  However, I
>> stop
>> short when the sighted assert that a blind guy taking pictures somehow
>> tells
>> them something about being blind, apart from the fact that the blind
>> person
>> is less likely to get off a good picture.
>>
>> Brian Miller
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <
k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <
nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>>
>>> GW:
>>>
>>> As I said, I have no objection to blind persons operating cameras
>> though I
>>> cannot for the life of me fathom what they (the blind persons) would
>> get
>> out
>>> of the exercise other than being able to play with nifty gadgetry.
>> Where I
>>> got off the train was when the one of the persons quoted in the
>> article
>>> maintained that viewing the photos would give the sighted a glimpse of
>> the
>>> world of the blind. To engage in aliteration for a moment, that's pure
>>> piffle!
>>>
>>> BTW, I think it's quite important that blind persons have some grasp
>> of
>> the
>>> visual arts, if for no other reason that they are part of the culture
>> we
>>> inhabit. So more power to you!
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "George McDermith" <
blind_paladin at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <
nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:26 AM
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>>
>>>             Greetings all!
>>>
>>>               I just joined up with the list and am pleased I did so.
>>> Engaging dialog seems to be the name of the game on this list.  I
>> should
>>> have expected it with RyanO and other delightful people I recognize
>>> involved.  *smile*
>>>
>>>               Regarding the blind photographer I think the issue can
>> be
>>> taken many different ways.  On the one hand of course passing is silly
>> and
>>> not useful.  On the other hand I find nothing harmful from my
>> viewpoint of
>>> doing something one enjoys, regardless of what it is.  If I enjoy
>> having
>>> pictures described to me at an art museum, an activity most view as a
>>> sighted one, am I attempting to be sighted?  Would individuals mistake
>> me
>>> for such, or would they view my different enjoyment of a common
>> activity
>> as
>>> an alternative technique.  Some of course will be ignorant, but they
>> will
>> be
>>> so regardless of whether I am doing something I enjoy or not.
>> Additionally
>>> I can take the opportunity to educate them on what blindness is and
>> isn't.
>>>
>>>               I believe this photo story falls into this category of
>> blind
>>> people doing something they enjoy.  My thoughts anyway, I am looking
>> forward
>>> to a great discussion on it.
>>>
>>>               Many thanks for having me on this list, it will be
>> superb.
>>>
>>>               Sincerely,
>>>
>>>               G.W. (George McDermith, Colorado Springs)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   "I can do all things through him who strengthens me." -Philippians
>> 4:13
>>> (ESV)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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