[nfb-talk] Blind Photographer

kaye zimpher kayezimpher at bellsouth.net
Sun Feb 11 17:33:39 CST 2007 

I think this is all being taken a little more seriously than necessary. I 
personally don't have anything to prove. I am old enough to have passed that 
portion of my life. I just do it for enjoyment. I will never enter an art 
contest or maybe quit my job to go on the road as a photographer, it just 
seemed like something fun to do, and for me that is where it will stop.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Westbrook" <westbc at clw19.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer


> Are we really capable of doing it though.  There's more to photography 
> than
> just pointing and shooting.  Lets use our energies on something we can do
> and really do well, not just do.  I don't think it is a bad thing to say
> that some things are better left to people who can see and get visual
> enjoyment out of them.  I don't have anything against blind people doing
> photography, but some of you seem to want this to prove something, and I
> don't think it proves anything.  If you enjoy it, fine, but don't do stuff
> just to prove it can be done.  That's just stupid.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kaye zimpher" <kayezimpher at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>
>
>> To me, it is just one more thing that we are capable of doing that some 
>> of
>> us did not know we could do and that the world definitely does not know 
>> we
>> can do. I don't think it goes much beond that.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> To: <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>; "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"
>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>
>>
>>> Yeah, it shows that, but it doesn't, as this "shows something about the
>>> blind" would imply, expose our soul or our inner selves to the world.
>>> That
>>> is what I was getting at.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Wm. Ritchhart
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:07 AM
>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>> Yes it does show something!  A blind photographer can take just as 
>>> crummy
>>> or
>>> just as good a picture as the average sighted person.
>>>
>>> I really cannot see the big deal.  Today for the most part, you point 
>>> the
>>> camera at the target and push the button.  What is the big deal
>>> about that?
>>>
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:42 PM
>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>> Actually?  I wouldn't put too much into this whole idea of photographs
>>> showing the viewer something about the blind person who took the 
>>> photows.
>>> Sounds like (pardon my language) artsy-fartsy talk for saying that
>>> artistic
>>> expression is an expression of a person's soul.  Not that I
>>> wholeheartedly
>>> agree with that, but that is what I think those people are trying to say
>>> when they say that the photos show them something about being blind.
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Brian Miller
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:37 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>> I certainly think there is nothing wrong with wanting to understand how
>>> photography works, take pictures, or have pictures taken of you to show
>>> to
>>> others -- this is all part of understanding and engaging in a world that
>>> is
>>> relentlessly visual and driven by the photographic image.  However, I
>>> stop
>>> short when the sighted assert that a blind guy taking pictures somehow
>>> tells
>>> them something about being blind, apart from the fact that the blind
>>> person
>>> is less likely to get off a good picture.
>>>
>>> Brian Miller
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>
>>>
>>>> GW:
>>>>
>>>> As I said, I have no objection to blind persons operating cameras
>>> though I
>>>> cannot for the life of me fathom what they (the blind persons) would
>>> get
>>> out
>>>> of the exercise other than being able to play with nifty gadgetry.
>>> Where I
>>>> got off the train was when the one of the persons quoted in the
>>> article
>>>> maintained that viewing the photos would give the sighted a glimpse of
>>> the
>>>> world of the blind. To engage in aliteration for a moment, that's pure
>>>> piffle!
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I think it's quite important that blind persons have some grasp
>>> of
>>> the
>>>> visual arts, if for no other reason that they are part of the culture
>>> we
>>>> inhabit. So more power to you!
>>>>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "George McDermith" <blind_paladin at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:26 AM
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind Photographer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Greetings all!
>>>>
>>>>               I just joined up with the list and am pleased I did so.
>>>> Engaging dialog seems to be the name of the game on this list.  I
>>> should
>>>> have expected it with RyanO and other delightful people I recognize
>>>> involved.  *smile*
>>>>
>>>>               Regarding the blind photographer I think the issue can
>>> be
>>>> taken many different ways.  On the one hand of course passing is silly
>>> and
>>>> not useful.  On the other hand I find nothing harmful from my
>>> viewpoint of
>>>> doing something one enjoys, regardless of what it is.  If I enjoy
>>> having
>>>> pictures described to me at an art museum, an activity most view as a
>>>> sighted one, am I attempting to be sighted?  Would individuals mistake
>>> me
>>>> for such, or would they view my different enjoyment of a common
>>> activity
>>> as
>>>> an alternative technique.  Some of course will be ignorant, but they
>>> will
>>> be
>>>> so regardless of whether I am doing something I enjoy or not.
>>> Additionally
>>>> I can take the opportunity to educate them on what blindness is and
>>> isn't.
>>>>
>>>>               I believe this photo story falls into this category of
>>> blind
>>>> people doing something they enjoy.  My thoughts anyway, I am looking
>>> forward
>>>> to a great discussion on it.
>>>>
>>>>               Many thanks for having me on this list, it will be
>>> superb.
>>>>
>>>>               Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>               G.W. (George McDermith, Colorado Springs)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   "I can do all things through him who strengthens me." -Philippians
>>> 4:13
>>>> (ESV)
>>>>
>>>>   www.christian-gamers-guild.org/sof.html
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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