[nfb-talk] Teach your leaders, teach your children!
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Sun Dec 2 14:37:45 CST 2007
While I understand what you say below, I *do* think that many today
(kids and young adults) don't realize how perilously close we are to
losing some of what we've gained over the years.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sekhon, Harmeet
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Teach your leaders, teach your children!
While I can agree with some of what you're saying Joe, in the sense
that
all people ought to understand that they've got to pull themselves up
by
their own bootstraps, I am getting pretty sick of the old, worn out
notion that kids these days just don't appreciate anything and that
they're spoiled and don't want to work for what they should get.
People
of your parents' generation are saying it about you, people of their
parents' generation said it about them, and on and on and on deep into
the dim recesses of history. It didn't change the fact that the world
and its culture evolved then, and it shouldn't now. Every generation
says this about every subsequent generation. And guess what? This
thing hasn't completely imploded yet. Now, obviously the NFB as any
other movement that wants to survive, needs to evolve. Instead of
bemoaning what might happen if we bend to the young people, shouldn't
we
be trying to figure out how to market this movement to them? I, in
know
way, want to water down the philosophy of the NFB or change the fact
that Federationists as a group work hard to live blindness as what it
really is rather than what much of the world would have us believe it
is, but if we can't communicate what this is all about and convince
the
next generation of leaders of its value, it is on its way out folks.
And it won't survive if all we do is complain about what might happen
if
"kids these days" take it over. A lot of the apathy, I think, has to
do
with the fact that they don't feel welcome.
Harmeet
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 5:39 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Teach your leaders, teach your children!
Eric,
I hope your comment about giving young people what they want was a bit
of
holiday humor, or pray that I am too narrow-minded to see the sarcasm.
Young people already get too much of what they want. My generation is
spoiled, and we do not appreciate the effort it took to get what we do
have
until we find ourselves without it. I agree in accommodating general
trends
to expand recruitment, but I am against pampering individuals as a
method of
keeping them in my ranks. If we're going to teach our children
anything
at
all, let us teach them how to come up fighting after they take a fall.
Maybe that's the only way we'll impress upon the younger generation
about
the importance about thinking of more than just ourselves.
Joe Orozco
"Politics is not predictions and politics is not observations.
Politics
is
what we do, what we create, by what we work for, by what we hope for
and
what we dare to imagine."--Senator Paul Wellstone
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From: "eric calhoun" <chargerdodger at yahoo.com>
To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: [nfb-talk] Teach your leaders, teach your children!
> Hello, folks!
>
> Here it is, about December 1, and I first want to say
> that I really have enjoyed this discussion of ACB
> versus NFB. I'd like to make a few points.
>
> 1. NFB-ers must stop "coddling" people, and telling
> people the right way to go. We all know that the
> right way to go is by listening and associating.
> Having an NFB cane is very useful, but does not
> substitute the use of the long, white cane, especially
> in NFB-approved training centers.
>
> 2. We've got to start associating more, and
> bad-mouthing less. Part of the reason NFB has
> blossomed into "the engine" that could, is because of
> leaders like Ten-Broek, Jernigan, and Dr. Maurer.
>
> Finally,
>
> We've got to give the younger people what they want: a
> chance for everyone to come to an organization where
> they are supported, not told how to live their lives.
>
> Eric Calhoun
>
>
>
>
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While I understand what you say below, I *do* think that many today (kids and young adults) don't realize how perilously close we are to losing some of what we've gained over the years.
Mike
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From:
mailto:Harmeet_Sekhon at cable.comcast.com Sekhon, Harmeet
To:
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Sent:
Friday, November 30, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject:
Re: [nfb-talk] Teach your leaders, teach your children!
While I can agree with some of what you're saying Joe, in the sense that
all people ought to understand that they've got to pull themselves up by
their own bootstraps, I am getting pretty sick of the old, worn out
notion that kids these days just don't appreciate anything and that
they're spoiled and don't want to work for what they should get. People
of your parents' generation are saying it about you, people of their
parents' generation said it about them, and on and on and on deep into
the dim recesses of history. It didn't change the fact that the world
and its culture evolved then, and it shouldn't now. Every generation
says this about every subsequent generation. And guess what? This
thing hasn't completely imploded yet. Now, obviously the NFB as any
other movement that wants to survive, needs to evolve. Instead of
bemoaning what might happen if we bend to the young people, shouldn't we
be trying to figure out how to market this movement to them? I, in know
way, want to water down the philosophy of the NFB or change the fact
that Federationists as a group work hard to live blindness as what it
really is rather than what much of the world would have us believe it
is, but if we can't communicate what this is all about and convince the
next generation of leaders of its value, it is on its way out folks.
And it won't survive if all we do is complain about what might happen if
"kids these days" take it over. A lot of the apathy, I think, has to do
with the fact that they don't feel welcome.
Harmeet
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 5:39 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Teach your leaders, teach your children!
Eric,
I hope your comment about giving young people what they want was a bit
of
holiday humor, or pray that I am too narrow-minded to see the sarcasm.
Young people already get too much of what they want. My generation is
spoiled, and we do not appreciate the effort it took to get what we do
have
until we find ourselves without it. I agree in accommodating general
trends
to expand recruitment, but I am against pampering individuals as a
method of
keeping them in my ranks. If we're going to teach our children anything
at
all, let us teach them how to come up fighting after they take a fall.
Maybe that's the only way we'll impress upon the younger generation
about
the importance about thinking of more than just ourselves.
Joe Orozco
"Politics is not predictions and politics is not observations. Politics
is
what we do, what we create, by what we work for, by what we hope for and
what we dare to imagine."--Senator Paul Wellstone
----- Original Message -----
From: "eric calhoun" < mailto:chargerdodger at yahoo.com chargerdodger at yahoo.com
>
To: < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: [nfb-talk] Teach your leaders, teach your children!
> Hello, folks!
>
> Here it is, about December 1, and I first want to say
> that I really have enjoyed this discussion of ACB
> versus NFB. I'd like to make a few points.
>
> 1. NFB-ers must stop "coddling" people, and telling
> people the right way to go. We all know that the
> right way to go is by listening and associating.
> Having an NFB cane is very useful, but does not
> substitute the use of the long, white cane, especially
> in NFB-approved training centers.
>
> 2. We've got to start associating more, and
> bad-mouthing less. Part of the reason NFB has
> blossomed into "the engine" that could, is because of
> leaders like Ten-Broek, Jernigan, and Dr. Maurer.
>
> Finally,
>
> We've got to give the younger people what they want: a
> chance for everyone to come to an organization where
> they are supported, not told how to live their lives.
>
> Eric Calhoun
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
____________
> Be a better pen pal.
> Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.
> http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
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