[nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
dianefilipe at peoplepc.com
dianefilipe at peoplepc.com
Tue Oct 24 18:47:48 CDT 2006
I know I am lucky to have learned the slate and stylus first!
Having some neuropathy in these very used hands, the reading has been
challenging! If only the dots were as hard as cement, I could feel them!
Di
-------Original Message-------
From: Tai Schmittroth
Date: 10/23/2006 8:01:51 PM
To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
Be glad you learned the slate and stylus first. I learned the Brailler first
and I am really slow at the slate. I practice a great deal, but I feel that
learning the Brailler first really hindered my ability to write fast with
the slate because I did not learn it from a young age and have not had the
time required to gain writing speed. Had I learned as a child, I would have
had more time to practice and would probably be a much faster slate user.
The same principle is true for reading Braille--the younger you learn, the
faster you will read. Of course, these are generalizations, but they hold
true for most folks.
Tai
-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of dianefilipe at peoplepc.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 7:42 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
I do really well with the slate and stylus, but have a heck of a time with
the Braille writer! I guess cos' I learned the slate and stylus first!!!
My instructor at CCB, Tom Anderson was incredible!
Di
-------Original Message-------
From: David Andrews
Date: 10/22/2006 6:16:02 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
The best way to learn the slate well is to start using it before you
use a Braille Writer.n Then you have to be good. However most VI
teachers eiteher don't know it, or aren't good, so they don't push
their students.
Dave
At 07:39 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>And this also brings up another point. Since technology can break down
>and
>things and then you have to send it back to get it repaired. Why aren't
>young people being taught the most reliable and inexpensive way to braille?
>That is, using a slate and stylus? Something I wish I were taught when
>I
was
>growing up in the 1980s and through the mid 90s.
>
>Josh
>
>skype: jkenn337
>email: jkenn337 at kutztown.edu
>aol: kutztownstudent
>msn messenger: kenn6498ku at hotmail.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
>
>
> >I like the thinking...start 'em young. *SMILE*
> >
> > Seriously, Judy, it makes a lot of sense. I'll be curious to see
> > the
> > answer
> > to your question.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
> >
> >
> >> Hi, Mike,
> >>
> >> Your insightful message makes me wonder something: Do the states
> >> that
> >> have
> >> really active parent divisions with the NFB see more young people
coming
> >> into leadership positions? In other words, if kids grow up around
> >> the
> >> movement, are they likely to stay with the movement?
> >>
> >> Judy
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:01 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
> >>
> >>
> >>> Lest we be accused of being the pot that called the kettle black
> >>> (and
I
> >>> know Judy did not do this), if we are honest with ourselves, we
> >>> will
> >>> realize that, at least in this neck of the woods, it's getting
> >>> increasingly difficult to turn out droves of blind persons for
> >>> legislative hearings and such, no matter how important they may
> >>> be. WE
> >>> who are older have incurred many obligations which we cannot or
> >>> are
> >>> unwilling to get out of for last-minute NFB tasks and the young
> >>> have
> >>> their MP3 players, the Internet and the like which they judge to
> >>> be
far
> >>> more interesting than having to sit thru some boring
> >>> appropriations
> >>> hearing or even a hearing on something about which they care if
> >>> the
NFB
> >>> testimony is about eighth in or worse of the bills being considered.
For
> >>> what it is worth, I don't think *any* of us, given the Internet
> >>> and
all
> >>> the information coming at us, feel the sense of community,
> >>> comeraderie
> >>> and being in the same foxhole with brothers and sisters that we
> >>> did
> >>> when, say, we were fighting for the various White Cane Laws, the
> >>> right
> >>> of blind persons to serve on juries or, to make things local to my
> >>> state, struggling to break the School for the Blind out of the
> >>> welfare
> >>> department.
> >>>
> >>> So aside from the truism that we must make friends with the young
> >>> and
> >>> show some interest in what they're doing, we face the task of
> >>> making
> >>> activism fun again and showing the young that they have a real
> >>> stake
in
> >>> the future -- not an easy task when, for the first time, young
> >>> people
ma
> >>> end up with a lesser standard of living than we have.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Judy Jones wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Very well put. Who ever heard of Disabled Student Services when
> >>>> we
> >>>> went
> >>>> through school in the sixties and seventies?
> >>>>
> >>>> Judy
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Ryan O." <rosentowski at neb.rr.com>
> >>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:40 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The blindness world is still rife with youth. The problem is
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> they've
> >>>>> had a good deal handed to them through legislation, technology
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> monetary
> >>>>> advantage that wasn't available to previous generations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> RyanO
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> nfb-talk mailing list
> >>>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> nfb-talk mailing list
> >>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nfb-talk mailing list
> >>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nfb-talk mailing list
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> >>
> >>
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I know I am lucky to have learned the slate and stylus first!
Having some neuropathy in these very used hands, the reading has been challenging! If only the dots were as hard as cement, I could feel them!
Di
-------Original Message-------
From:
mailto:tai at canetravel.com Tai Schmittroth
Date:
10/23/2006 8:01:51 PM
To:
mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
Subject:
Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
Be glad you learned the slate and stylus first. I learned the Brailler first
and I am really slow at the slate. I practice a great deal, but I feel that
learning the Brailler first really hindered my ability to write fast with
the slate because I did not learn it from a young age and have not had the
time required to gain writing speed. Had I learned as a child, I would have
had more time to practice and would probably be a much faster slate user.
The same principle is true for reading Braille--the younger you learn, the
faster you will read. Of course, these are generalizations, but they hold
true for most folks.
Tai
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[ mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
] On
Behalf Of mailto:dianefilipe at peoplepc.com dianefilipe at peoplepc.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 7:42 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
I do really well with the slate and stylus, but have a heck of a time with
the Braille writer! I guess cos' I learned the slate and stylus first!!!
My instructor at CCB, Tom Anderson was incredible!
Di
-------Original Message-------
From: David Andrews
Date: 10/22/2006 6:16:02 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
The best way to learn the slate well is to start using it before you
use a Braille Writer.n Then you have to be good. However most VI
teachers eiteher don't know it, or aren't good, so they don't push
their students.
Dave
At 07:39 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>And this also brings up another point. Since technology can break down
>and
>things and then you have to send it back to get it repaired. Why aren't
>young people being taught the most reliable and inexpensive way to braille?
>That is, using a slate and stylus? Something I wish I were taught when
>I
was
>growing up in the 1980s and through the mid 90s.
>
>Josh
>
>skype: jkenn337
>email: mailto:jkenn337 at kutztown.edu jkenn337 at kutztown.edu
>aol: kutztownstudent
>msn messenger: mailto:kenn6498ku at hotmail.com kenn6498ku at hotmail.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alan Wheeler" < mailto:awheeler at neb.rr.com awheeler at neb.rr.com
>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
>
>
> >I like the thinking...start 'em young. *SMILE*
> >
> > Seriously, Judy, it makes a lot of sense. I'll be curious to see
> > the
> > answer
> > to your question.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Judy Jones" < mailto:nfbwatac at earthlink.net nfbwatac at earthlink.net
>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
> >
> >
> >> Hi, Mike,
> >>
> >> Your insightful message makes me wonder something: Do the states
> >> that
> >> have
> >> really active parent divisions with the NFB see more young people
coming
> >> into leadership positions? In other words, if kids grow up around
> >> the
> >> movement, are they likely to stay with the movement?
> >>
> >> Judy
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mike Freeman" < mailto:k7uij at panix.com k7uij at panix.com
>
> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:01 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
> >>
> >>
> >>> Lest we be accused of being the pot that called the kettle black
> >>> (and
I
> >>> know Judy did not do this), if we are honest with ourselves, we
> >>> will
> >>> realize that, at least in this neck of the woods, it's getting
> >>> increasingly difficult to turn out droves of blind persons for
> >>> legislative hearings and such, no matter how important they may
> >>> be. WE
> >>> who are older have incurred many obligations which we cannot or
> >>> are
> >>> unwilling to get out of for last-minute NFB tasks and the young
> >>> have
> >>> their MP3 players, the Internet and the like which they judge to
> >>> be
far
> >>> more interesting than having to sit thru some boring
> >>> appropriations
> >>> hearing or even a hearing on something about which they care if
> >>> the
NFB
> >>> testimony is about eighth in or worse of the bills being considered.
For
> >>> what it is worth, I don't think *any* of us, given the Internet
> >>> and
all
> >>> the information coming at us, feel the sense of community,
> >>> comeraderie
> >>> and being in the same foxhole with brothers and sisters that we
> >>> did
> >>> when, say, we were fighting for the various White Cane Laws, the
> >>> right
> >>> of blind persons to serve on juries or, to make things local to my
> >>> state, struggling to break the School for the Blind out of the
> >>> welfare
> >>> department.
> >>>
> >>> So aside from the truism that we must make friends with the young
> >>> and
> >>> show some interest in what they're doing, we face the task of
> >>> making
> >>> activism fun again and showing the young that they have a real
> >>> stake
in
> >>> the future -- not an easy task when, for the first time, young
> >>> people
ma
> >>> end up with a lesser standard of living than we have.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Judy Jones wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Very well put. Who ever heard of Disabled Student Services when
> >>>> we
> >>>> went
> >>>> through school in the sixties and seventies?
> >>>>
> >>>> Judy
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Ryan O." < mailto:rosentowski at neb.rr.com rosentowski at neb.rr.com
>
> >>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:40 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Youth Empowerment
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The blindness world is still rife with youth. The problem is
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> they've
> >>>>> had a good deal handed to them through legislation, technology
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> monetary
> >>>>> advantage that wasn't available to previous generations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> RyanO
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> nfb-talk mailing list
> >>>>> mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> nfb-talk mailing list
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> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
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> >>
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> >
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