[nfb-talk] Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB NewsLineFails that!

Thu Jul 27 07:24:19 CDT 2006

Hi Marty and Others;
I too was an ACB member while I went to rehab at ACB in Little Rock.  It
was the only group around.  It was join or be loinly.  Back then I did
not know the difference between the two.  All I remember is partying.
No sales, no hard work, no success!  
I am now where I be long, with the NFB.  All my NFB members are like a
large family to me!  I may not be good at cooking, but I am shairing my
sales ability and craft skills towards fund raisers for my chapter.  

Terry Powers

-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Rahn [mailto:marty.rahn at juno.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:20 AM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]
Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB
NewsLineFails that!

Priscilla,
All I can say is that you have made some very good points in your
message. 
Like you, I too spent some time in the ACB attending meetings.
Fortunately, 
unlike some others have done, I explored both options and found out that
the 
NFB was much more positive.  We are changing what it means to be blind
and 
that is more than  I can say for what I experienced in the ACB.

Marty Rahn
Let tears flow of their own accord: their flowing is not inconsistent
with 
inward peace and harmony. -- Seneca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "priscillamckinley" <priscillamckinley at cox.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind 
peopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News LineFails
that!

>
>
> When I first lost my sight, I attended ACB chapter meetings, as there
were
> no NFB chapters in the city where I was living.  At the meetings, they
> talked about public awareness a little bit, but the rest of the time
was
> spent complaining and trashing the NFB.  I didn't know anything about
the
> NFB except what I had heard from the people in that chapter.  I didn't

> want
> to have anything to do with the NFB because of the things I heard.
Still, 
> I
> couldn't stand all the pathetic people whining and complaining at the
ACB
> meetings, so I stopped going after about a year.  I had just lost my
sight
> and needed positive not negative people  in my life.
>
> Then years later in 1996, I applied for an NFB scholarship.  I figured
I
> could take the money and run, as I knew I didn't want to hang around
these
> radical NFB people, or I thought I didn't because of the things I had 
> heard
> from the other side.  Well, I found positive people who were doing
things
> with their lives and making changes to better the lives of blind
people. 
> I
> felt an energy that was not present in the ACB.  For me, I felt as
though 
> I
> finally had my life back, as being around NFB members taught me 
> independence
> and confidence.
>
> So I have been leading and/or going to NFB chapter meetings and 
> conventions
> since 1996.  And how much time is spent at those meetings trashing the

> ACB?
> None.  Instead, we focus on ways to better the lives for all blind
people.
> We discuss important issues and blind people in our communities who
need
> help and try to figure out ways to help them.  The only time the ACB
is
> mentioned is when they are trying to stop something positive we are
trying
> to do, like providing newspapers for all blind people with Newsline.
>
> If there are any ACB people on here who have never been involved with
the
> NFB and have only heard things from ACB members, I suggest you explore

> both
> options before you decide to stay with a group of whiners and
complainers.
> If you like to whine and complain about your situation and feel as
though
> you can't do anything in your life because you are blind, then stay
with 
> the
> ACB because that's where you belong.  On the other hand, if you
believe 
> that
> blind people should be treated as equals in this society and if you
truly
> want to make a positive difference in the lives of the blind now and
of 
> the
> future, you should join the NFB.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people
> deservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails
that!
>
>
>> Dear RJ,
>>
>> Tom is a well known member of the ACB who just likes to mess with us.
>> His assertions do not hold water and he just sends these messages to 
>> upset
>> us.  He has been thrown off our list before and he then just signs up
for
>> another one to bug us until he gets thrown of this one, again.
>> He tries to make it sound as if what he is saying is a fact and that
it 
>> is
>> wrong for the NFB to use it's own service with a devoted section of
that
>> service to carry NFB messages and materials.
>> He says that the NFB is getting too big.
>> since when is being big or getting bigger a crime.
>> To hear him tell it the NFB is doing something illegal, underhanded
and
>> immoral by running the NFB NEWSLINE service that provides daily
access to
>> more than 235 newspapers and magazines, free and just because NFB 
>> provides
>> information on it's channels feature we are doing something wrong.
>> NFB is not doing anything wrong or illegal.
>> He is not expressing an opinion, he is leveling unfounded charges of
>> misconduct at the NFB.  That is not an opinion, it is a false charge
and
>> our
>> members are calling him on it.
>> He is a trouble maker from the ACB and has no right or place making
such
>> unfounded assertions.
>> If he wants to stick his tongue out at us, he needs to be prepared to
get
>> his face slapped.
>> As for you.  I thought you resigned the NFB and asked to be removed
from
>> the
>> list?
>> If you want to learn how to be a better blind person stick around,
but if
>> you don't like us stop wasting our time and find another sandbox to
play
>> in.
>> Mr. Mills needs to get a life or a job.
>> I heard about an opening for a speed bump and I think he would make a

>> good
>> one.
>>
>> David Evans, NFBF
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <rjs59 at hotmail.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve
>> alibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>
>>
>>> You should all be ashamed of you'reselves! You are all acting like
>>> children!
>>> Tom Mills has a right to voice his openion, and if you don't agree,
with
>>> what he has to say, you can always press the deleate button. I left
the
>>> nfb,
>>> due to this varry reason, and I feel that as  a minister of the
gospel,
>>> the
>>> way you're approaching this situation is wrong! Sencerly, RJ
Sandefur
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
>>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a
>>> libraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you Terry!
>>>> I mean it whole heartedly. What we need to do is to be unified. If
>>>> people
>>>> do not agree with the good that the NFB is doing then they can just
>>>> leave
>>>> us alone.
>>>>
>>>> Smile
>>>> Hope
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> .From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS)
[E]"<powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>>>> .Sent: 7/24/06 11:01:44 AM
>>>> .To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a
>>>> libraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> .
>>>> .Hope;
>>>> .Great message.
>>>> .Terry Powers
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .-----Original Message-----
>>>> .From: Hope Hein [mailto:hmhein at verizon.net]
>>>> .Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 6:22 AM
>>>> .To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
>>>> .experiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> .
>>>> .I have reviewed the newspapers from NFB Newsline and have read
several
>>>> .downloaded through Bookshare. I read one paper from Florida and 
>>>> another
>>>> .from PA in the same sitting. I did not have to travel to Florida
to 
>>>> get
>>>> .that paper. If I had more time I could read the papers from all of
the
>>>> .participating states.
>>>> .
>>>> .Please do not put the NFB down. I have been a member of the NFB of
PA
>>>> .for a little over one year. I attended my first convention in over
20
>>>> .years this year and was truly inspired. The NFB members that I
know 
>>>> and
>>>> .read about are not stubborn; that is a negative term, they are
>>>> .determined! Determined to educate blind and sighted persons about
the
>>>> .true meaning of blindness. Determined to train blind persons so
that
>>>> .they can obtain gainful employment just like their sighted
colleagues.
>>>> .Determined that the blind should have access to books, news, the
>>>> .internet, as well as user-friendly technology. The leaders of the
NFB
>>>> .think big. If that is stubborn then let stubbornness reign.
>>>> .
>>>> .As the inch worm burrows his way to his destination inch by inch
the
>>>> NFB
>>>> .will break down societal barriers one by one to change what it
means 
>>>> to
>>>> .be blind.
>>>> .Hope
>>>> .
>>>> .-----Original Message-----
>>>> ..From: "Tom Mills"<tmills79 at bellsouth.net>
>>>> ..Sent: 7/22/06 1:46:15 AM
>>>> ..To:
>>>> "william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net"<william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>,
>>>> ."NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> ..Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
>>>> .experiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> ..
>>>> ..The trouble with most members of the federation is a complete
always
>>>> ..stubborn resistance to suggestions for change.  Every one on this

>>>> list
>>>> .knows
>>>> ..that I have questioned the fairness and management of the NFB
News
>>>> Line
>>>> .news
>>>> ..paper Service.
>>>> ..----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> ..From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> ..To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> ..Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:30 AM
>>>> ..Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library experience
>>>> ..readingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> ..
>>>> ..
>>>> ..> Did I miss something?  Considering that the only thing I have
seen
>>>> .about
>>>> ..> NFB Newsline recently was a post from the ACB leadership list
>>>> ..> encouraging the ACB membership to try to stop the Federal
funding
>>>> for
>>>> ..> NFB Newsline.
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> The post made claims that any knowledgeable person would
recognize
>>>> as
>>>> ..> untrue.  In the normal ACB fashion, the post demonstrated that
if
>>>> NFB
>>>> .is
>>>> ..> creating something, the members of the ACB in general will be
>>>> against
>>>> ..> it.
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> One last thing.  I have a question for you Tom.  Why do you
bother
>>>> .with
>>>> ..> us NFB folks?  I personally wouldn't waste my time with people
whom
>>>> I
>>>> ..> thought were so evil and always wrong.  It just seems that you 
>>>> could
>>>> ..> find a better use of your time doing something other than
making
>>>> .angry
>>>> ..> post to an email list made up mostly of people who have beliefs

>>>> that
>>>> .are
>>>> ..> totally different from your own.
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> William
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> -----Original Message-----
>>>> ..> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> .[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> ..> On Behalf Of Tom Mills
>>>> ..> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:15 AM
>>>> ..> To: 4alabama at nfbnet.org
>>>> ..> Cc: nfblaw at nfbnet.org; alabama at acb.org; acb-l at acb.org;
>>>> ..> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; acb-chat at acb.org
>>>> ..> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library experience
>>>> reading
>>>> ..> thenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> I too wonder where the blind community is when they turn their 
>>>> backs
>>>> .on
>>>> ..> decency and respect for an unbiased library experience while 
>>>> reading
>>>> .the
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> Alabama NFB News Line Service. The Federation is more
interested in
>>>> ..> promoting its blind advocacy program; like filing frivolous law
>>>> suits
>>>> ..> mostly
>>>> ..> for the sake of publicity and all the while knowing that most
>>>> .government
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> agencies and big business concerns will quietly settle crappy
law
>>>> .suits
>>>> ..> in
>>>> ..> the legal settlement mill. Remember I am talking about the
National
>>>> ..> Federation of the Blind! The NFB News Line should never be used
to
>>>> ..> promote
>>>> ..> NFB's advocacy positions and federation policies. Also, the
Alabama
>>>> ..> chapter
>>>> ..> of the National Federation of the Blind should not be permitted
to
>>>> .use
>>>> ..> the
>>>> ..> NFB News Line Service to advance the reputation of Mister J. 
>>>> Michael
>>>> ..> Jones,
>>>> ..> the Alabama affiliates state NFB president.  NFB President
Doctor
>>>> .Marc
>>>> ..> Maurer has said that the NFB News Line Service has "A Special
>>>> ..> relationship
>>>> ..> with the news paper industry publishers participating on News 
>>>> Line."
>>>> .Let
>>>> ..> me
>>>> ..> tell you something all you girls and guys, that frightens me!
I
>>>> .believe
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> that the NFB News Line Service should be held above any and all
>>>> .politics
>>>> ..> for
>>>> ..> the sake of the blind community and most of all to provide
blind
>>>> news
>>>> ..> paper
>>>> ..> readers an honest library experience.
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..>
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