[nfb-talk] Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB NewsLineFails that!
melissa R. Green
graduate56 at juno.com
Thu Jul 27 01:58:59 CDT 2006
Marty,
My experience with ACB was the same as both you and Priscilla.
But I am glad that I explored my options.
Even though I have some things that I disagree with the NFB.
But I am glad that I chose to be involved with this organization.
If it gets too much for me.
Then I will become one of those blind people that are unaffilliated.
Just my Opinion.
Melissa R. Green
"Friendship is the only cement that will ever hold the world together"
-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marty Rahn
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:20 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]
Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB NewsLineFails
that!
Priscilla,
All I can say is that you have made some very good points in your message.
Like you, I too spent some time in the ACB attending meetings. Fortunately,
unlike some others have done, I explored both options and found out that the
NFB was much more positive. We are changing what it means to be blind and
that is more than I can say for what I experienced in the ACB.
Marty Rahn
Let tears flow of their own accord: their flowing is not inconsistent with
inward peace and harmony. -- Seneca
----- Original Message -----
From: "priscillamckinley" <priscillamckinley at cox.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind
peopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News LineFails that!
>
>
> When I first lost my sight, I attended ACB chapter meetings, as there
> were no NFB chapters in the city where I was living. At the meetings,
> they talked about public awareness a little bit, but the rest of the
> time was spent complaining and trashing the NFB. I didn't know
> anything about the NFB except what I had heard from the people in that
> chapter. I didn't want to have anything to do with the NFB because of
> the things I heard. Still, I couldn't stand all the pathetic people
> whining and complaining at the ACB meetings, so I stopped going after
> about a year. I had just lost my sight and needed positive not
> negative people in my life.
>
> Then years later in 1996, I applied for an NFB scholarship. I figured
> I could take the money and run, as I knew I didn't want to hang around
> these radical NFB people, or I thought I didn't because of the things
> I had heard from the other side. Well, I found positive people who
> were doing things with their lives and making changes to better the
> lives of blind people.
> I
> felt an energy that was not present in the ACB. For me, I felt as
> though I finally had my life back, as being around NFB members taught
> me independence and confidence.
>
> So I have been leading and/or going to NFB chapter meetings and
> conventions since 1996. And how much time is spent at those meetings
> trashing the ACB?
> None. Instead, we focus on ways to better the lives for all blind people.
> We discuss important issues and blind people in our communities who
> need help and try to figure out ways to help them. The only time the
> ACB is mentioned is when they are trying to stop something positive we
> are trying to do, like providing newspapers for all blind people with
Newsline.
>
> If there are any ACB people on here who have never been involved with
> the NFB and have only heard things from ACB members, I suggest you
> explore both options before you decide to stay with a group of whiners
> and complainers.
> If you like to whine and complain about your situation and feel as
> though you can't do anything in your life because you are blind, then
> stay with the ACB because that's where you belong. On the other hand,
> if you believe that blind people should be treated as equals in this
> society and if you truly want to make a positive difference in the
> lives of the blind now and of the future, you should join the NFB.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people
> deservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>
>
>> Dear RJ,
>>
>> Tom is a well known member of the ACB who just likes to mess with us.
>> His assertions do not hold water and he just sends these messages to
>> upset us. He has been thrown off our list before and he then just
>> signs up for another one to bug us until he gets thrown of this one,
>> again.
>> He tries to make it sound as if what he is saying is a fact and that
>> it is wrong for the NFB to use it's own service with a devoted
>> section of that service to carry NFB messages and materials.
>> He says that the NFB is getting too big.
>> since when is being big or getting bigger a crime.
>> To hear him tell it the NFB is doing something illegal, underhanded
>> and immoral by running the NFB NEWSLINE service that provides daily
>> access to more than 235 newspapers and magazines, free and just
>> because NFB provides information on it's channels feature we are
>> doing something wrong.
>> NFB is not doing anything wrong or illegal.
>> He is not expressing an opinion, he is leveling unfounded charges of
>> misconduct at the NFB. That is not an opinion, it is a false charge
>> and our members are calling him on it.
>> He is a trouble maker from the ACB and has no right or place making
>> such unfounded assertions.
>> If he wants to stick his tongue out at us, he needs to be prepared to
>> get his face slapped.
>> As for you. I thought you resigned the NFB and asked to be removed
>> from the list?
>> If you want to learn how to be a better blind person stick around,
>> but if you don't like us stop wasting our time and find another
>> sandbox to play in.
>> Mr. Mills needs to get a life or a job.
>> I heard about an opening for a speed bump and I think he would make a
>> good one.
>>
>> David Evans, NFBF
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <rjs59 at hotmail.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve
>> alibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>
>>
>>> You should all be ashamed of you'reselves! You are all acting like
>>> children!
>>> Tom Mills has a right to voice his openion, and if you don't agree,
>>> with what he has to say, you can always press the deleate button. I
>>> left the nfb, due to this varry reason, and I feel that as a
>>> minister of the gospel, the way you're approaching this situation is
>>> wrong! Sencerly, RJ Sandefur
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
>>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a
>>> libraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you Terry!
>>>> I mean it whole heartedly. What we need to do is to be unified. If
>>>> people do not agree with the good that the NFB is doing then they
>>>> can just leave us alone.
>>>>
>>>> Smile
>>>> Hope
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> .From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS)
>>>> [E]"<powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>>>> .Sent: 7/24/06 11:01:44 AM
>>>> .To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a
>>>> libraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> .
>>>> .Hope;
>>>> .Great message.
>>>> .Terry Powers
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .-----Original Message-----
>>>> .From: Hope Hein [mailto:hmhein at verizon.net]
>>>> .Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 6:22 AM
>>>> .To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
>>>> .experiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> .
>>>> .I have reviewed the newspapers from NFB Newsline and have read
>>>> several .downloaded through Bookshare. I read one paper from
>>>> Florida and another .from PA in the same sitting. I did not have to
>>>> travel to Florida to get .that paper. If I had more time I could
>>>> read the papers from all of the .participating states.
>>>> .
>>>> .Please do not put the NFB down. I have been a member of the NFB of
>>>> PA .for a little over one year. I attended my first convention in
>>>> over 20 .years this year and was truly inspired. The NFB members
>>>> that I know and .read about are not stubborn; that is a negative
>>>> term, they are .determined! Determined to educate blind and sighted
>>>> persons about the .true meaning of blindness. Determined to train
>>>> blind persons so that .they can obtain gainful employment just like
>>>> their sighted colleagues.
>>>> .Determined that the blind should have access to books, news, the
>>>> .internet, as well as user-friendly technology. The leaders of the
>>>> NFB .think big. If that is stubborn then let stubbornness reign.
>>>> .
>>>> .As the inch worm burrows his way to his destination inch by inch
>>>> the NFB .will break down societal barriers one by one to change
>>>> what it means to .be blind.
>>>> .Hope
>>>> .
>>>> .-----Original Message-----
>>>> ..From: "Tom Mills"<tmills79 at bellsouth.net>
>>>> ..Sent: 7/22/06 1:46:15 AM
>>>> ..To:
>>>> "william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net"<william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>,
>>>> ."NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> ..Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
>>>> .experiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> ..
>>>> ..The trouble with most members of the federation is a complete
>>>> always ..stubborn resistance to suggestions for change. Every one
>>>> on this list .knows ..that I have questioned the fairness and
>>>> management of the NFB News Line .news ..paper Service.
>>>> ..----- Original Message -----
>>>> ..From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> ..To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> ..Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:30 AM
>>>> ..Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library experience
>>>> ..readingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> ..
>>>> ..
>>>> ..> Did I miss something? Considering that the only thing I have
>>>> seen .about ..> NFB Newsline recently was a post from the ACB
>>>> leadership list ..> encouraging the ACB membership to try to stop
>>>> the Federal funding for ..> NFB Newsline.
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> The post made claims that any knowledgeable person would
>>>> recognize as ..> untrue. In the normal ACB fashion, the post
>>>> demonstrated that if NFB .is ..> creating something, the members of
>>>> the ACB in general will be against ..> it.
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> One last thing. I have a question for you Tom. Why do you
>>>> bother .with ..> us NFB folks? I personally wouldn't waste my time
>>>> with people whom I ..> thought were so evil and always wrong. It
>>>> just seems that you could ..> find a better use of your time doing
>>>> something other than making .angry ..> post to an email list made
>>>> up mostly of people who have beliefs that .are ..> totally
>>>> different from your own.
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> William
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> -----Original Message-----
>>>> ..> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> .[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> ..> On Behalf Of Tom Mills
>>>> ..> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:15 AM ..> To:
>>>> 4alabama at nfbnet.org ..> Cc: nfblaw at nfbnet.org; alabama at acb.org;
>>>> acb-l at acb.org; ..> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; acb-chat at acb.org ..>
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library experience
>>>> reading ..> thenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..> I too wonder where the blind community is when they turn their
>>>> backs .on ..> decency and respect for an unbiased library
>>>> experience while reading .the ..> ..> Alabama NFB News Line
>>>> Service. The Federation is more interested in ..> promoting its
>>>> blind advocacy program; like filing frivolous law suits ..> mostly
>>>> ..> for the sake of publicity and all the while knowing that most
>>>> .government ..> ..> agencies and big business concerns will quietly
>>>> settle crappy law .suits ..> in ..> the legal settlement mill.
>>>> Remember I am talking about the National ..> Federation of the
>>>> Blind! The NFB News Line should never be used to ..> promote ..>
>>>> NFB's advocacy positions and federation policies. Also, the Alabama
>>>> ..> chapter ..> of the National Federation of the Blind should not
>>>> be permitted to .use ..> the ..> NFB News Line Service to advance
>>>> the reputation of Mister J.
>>>> Michael
>>>> ..> Jones,
>>>> ..> the Alabama affiliates state NFB president. NFB President
>>>> Doctor .Marc ..> Maurer has said that the NFB News Line Service has
>>>> "A Special ..> relationship ..> with the news paper industry
>>>> publishers participating on News Line."
>>>> .Let
>>>> ..> me
>>>> ..> tell you something all you girls and guys, that frightens me!
>>>> I .believe ..> ..> that the NFB News Line Service should be held
>>>> above any and all .politics ..> for ..> the sake of the blind
>>>> community and most of all to provide blind news ..> paper ..>
>>>> readers an honest library experience.
>>>> ..>
>>>> ..>
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