[nfb-talk] Blind people deservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!

Wed Jul 26 09:34:58 CDT 2006

When I first lost my sight, I attended ACB chapter meetings, as there were 
no NFB chapters in the city where I was living.  At the meetings, they 
talked about public awareness a little bit, but the rest of the time was 
spent complaining and trashing the NFB.  I didn't know anything about the 
NFB except what I had heard from the people in that chapter.  I didn't want 
to have anything to do with the NFB because of the things I heard.  Still, I 
couldn't stand all the pathetic people whining and complaining at the ACB 
meetings, so I stopped going after about a year.  I had just lost my sight 
and needed positive not negative people  in my life.

Then years later in 1996, I applied for an NFB scholarship.  I figured I 
could take the money and run, as I knew I didn't want to hang around these 
radical NFB people, or I thought I didn't because of the things I had heard 
from the other side.  Well, I found positive people who were doing things 
with their lives and making changes to better the lives of blind people.  I 
felt an energy that was not present in the ACB.  For me, I felt as though I 
finally had my life back, as being around NFB members taught me independence 
and confidence.

So I have been leading and/or going to NFB chapter meetings and conventions 
since 1996.  And how much time is spent at those meetings trashing the ACB? 
None.  Instead, we focus on ways to better the lives for all blind people. 
We discuss important issues and blind people in our communities who need 
help and try to figure out ways to help them.  The only time the ACB is 
mentioned is when they are trying to stop something positive we are trying 
to do, like providing newspapers for all blind people with Newsline.

If there are any ACB people on here who have never been involved with the 
NFB and have only heard things from ACB members, I suggest you explore both 
options before you decide to stay with a group of whiners and complainers. 
If you like to whine and complain about your situation and feel as though 
you can't do anything in your life because you are blind, then stay with the 
ACB because that's where you belong.  On the other hand, if you believe that 
blind people should be treated as equals in this society and if you truly 
want to make a positive difference in the lives of the blind now and of the 
future, you should join the NFB.

Priscilla

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people 
deservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!

> Dear RJ,
>
> Tom is a well known member of the ACB who just likes to mess with us.
> His assertions do not hold water and he just sends these messages to upset
> us.  He has been thrown off our list before and he then just signs up for
> another one to bug us until he gets thrown of this one, again.
> He tries to make it sound as if what he is saying is a fact and that it is
> wrong for the NFB to use it's own service with a devoted section of that
> service to carry NFB messages and materials.
> He says that the NFB is getting too big.
> since when is being big or getting bigger a crime.
> To hear him tell it the NFB is doing something illegal, underhanded and
> immoral by running the NFB NEWSLINE service that provides daily access to
> more than 235 newspapers and magazines, free and just because NFB provides
> information on it's channels feature we are doing something wrong.
> NFB is not doing anything wrong or illegal.
> He is not expressing an opinion, he is leveling unfounded charges of
> misconduct at the NFB.  That is not an opinion, it is a false charge and 
> our
> members are calling him on it.
> He is a trouble maker from the ACB and has no right or place making such
> unfounded assertions.
> If he wants to stick his tongue out at us, he needs to be prepared to get
> his face slapped.
> As for you.  I thought you resigned the NFB and asked to be removed from 
> the
> list?
> If you want to learn how to be a better blind person stick around, but if
> you don't like us stop wasting our time and find another sandbox to play 
> in.
> Mr. Mills needs to get a life or a job.
> I heard about an opening for a speed bump and I think he would make a good
> one.
>
> David Evans, NFBF
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <rjs59 at hotmail.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve
> alibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>
>
>> You should all be ashamed of you'reselves! You are all acting like
>> children!
>> Tom Mills has a right to voice his openion, and if you don't agree, with
>> what he has to say, you can always press the deleate button. I left the
>> nfb,
>> due to this varry reason, and I feel that as  a minister of the gospel,
>> the
>> way you're approaching this situation is wrong! Sencerly, RJ Sandefur
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a
>> libraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Terry!
>>> I mean it whole heartedly. What we need to do is to be unified. If 
>>> people
>>> do not agree with the good that the NFB is doing then they can just 
>>> leave
>>> us alone.
>>>
>>> Smile
>>> Hope
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> .From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]"<powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>>> .Sent: 7/24/06 11:01:44 AM
>>> .To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a
>>> libraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>> .
>>> .Hope;
>>> .Great message.
>>> .Terry Powers
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .-----Original Message-----
>>> .From: Hope Hein [mailto:hmhein at verizon.net]
>>> .Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 6:22 AM
>>> .To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
>>> .experiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>> .
>>> .I have reviewed the newspapers from NFB Newsline and have read several
>>> .downloaded through Bookshare. I read one paper from Florida and another
>>> .from PA in the same sitting. I did not have to travel to Florida to get
>>> .that paper. If I had more time I could read the papers from all of the
>>> .participating states.
>>> .
>>> .Please do not put the NFB down. I have been a member of the NFB of PA
>>> .for a little over one year. I attended my first convention in over 20
>>> .years this year and was truly inspired. The NFB members that I know and
>>> .read about are not stubborn; that is a negative term, they are
>>> .determined! Determined to educate blind and sighted persons about the
>>> .true meaning of blindness. Determined to train blind persons so that
>>> .they can obtain gainful employment just like their sighted colleagues.
>>> .Determined that the blind should have access to books, news, the
>>> .internet, as well as user-friendly technology. The leaders of the NFB
>>> .think big. If that is stubborn then let stubbornness reign.
>>> .
>>> .As the inch worm burrows his way to his destination inch by inch the 
>>> NFB
>>> .will break down societal barriers one by one to change what it means to
>>> .be blind.
>>> .Hope
>>> .
>>> .-----Original Message-----
>>> ..From: "Tom Mills"<tmills79 at bellsouth.net>
>>> ..Sent: 7/22/06 1:46:15 AM
>>> ..To: 
>>> "william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net"<william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>,
>>> ."NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> ..Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
>>> .experiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>> ..
>>> ..The trouble with most members of the federation is a complete always
>>> ..stubborn resistance to suggestions for change.  Every one on this list
>>> .knows
>>> ..that I have questioned the fairness and management of the NFB News 
>>> Line
>>> .news
>>> ..paper Service.
>>> ..----- Original Message ----- 
>>> ..From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>> ..To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> ..Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:30 AM
>>> ..Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library experience
>>> ..readingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>> ..
>>> ..
>>> ..> Did I miss something?  Considering that the only thing I have seen
>>> .about
>>> ..> NFB Newsline recently was a post from the ACB leadership list
>>> ..> encouraging the ACB membership to try to stop the Federal funding 
>>> for
>>> ..> NFB Newsline.
>>> ..>
>>> ..> The post made claims that any knowledgeable person would recognize 
>>> as
>>> ..> untrue.  In the normal ACB fashion, the post demonstrated that if 
>>> NFB
>>> .is
>>> ..> creating something, the members of the ACB in general will be 
>>> against
>>> ..> it.
>>> ..>
>>> ..> One last thing.  I have a question for you Tom.  Why do you bother
>>> .with
>>> ..> us NFB folks?  I personally wouldn't waste my time with people whom 
>>> I
>>> ..> thought were so evil and always wrong.  It just seems that you could
>>> ..> find a better use of your time doing something other than making
>>> .angry
>>> ..> post to an email list made up mostly of people who have beliefs that
>>> .are
>>> ..> totally different from your own.
>>> ..>
>>> ..>
>>> ..>
>>> ..> William
>>> ..>
>>> ..>
>>> ..> -----Original Message-----
>>> ..> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> .[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> ..> On Behalf Of Tom Mills
>>> ..> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:15 AM
>>> ..> To: 4alabama at nfbnet.org
>>> ..> Cc: nfblaw at nfbnet.org; alabama at acb.org; acb-l at acb.org;
>>> ..> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; acb-chat at acb.org
>>> ..> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library experience 
>>> reading
>>> ..> thenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
>>> ..>
>>> ..> I too wonder where the blind community is when they turn their backs
>>> .on
>>> ..> decency and respect for an unbiased library experience while reading
>>> .the
>>> ..>
>>> ..> Alabama NFB News Line Service. The Federation is more interested in
>>> ..> promoting its blind advocacy program; like filing frivolous law 
>>> suits
>>> ..> mostly
>>> ..> for the sake of publicity and all the while knowing that most
>>> .government
>>> ..>
>>> ..> agencies and big business concerns will quietly settle crappy law
>>> .suits
>>> ..> in
>>> ..> the legal settlement mill. Remember I am talking about the National
>>> ..> Federation of the Blind! The NFB News Line should never be used to
>>> ..> promote
>>> ..> NFB's advocacy positions and federation policies. Also, the Alabama
>>> ..> chapter
>>> ..> of the National Federation of the Blind should not be permitted to
>>> .use
>>> ..> the
>>> ..> NFB News Line Service to advance the reputation of Mister J. Michael
>>> ..> Jones,
>>> ..> the Alabama affiliates state NFB president.  NFB President Doctor
>>> .Marc
>>> ..> Maurer has said that the NFB News Line Service has "A Special
>>> ..> relationship
>>> ..> with the news paper industry publishers participating on News Line."
>>> .Let
>>> ..> me
>>> ..> tell you something all you girls and guys, that frightens me!  I
>>> .believe
>>> ..>
>>> ..> that the NFB News Line Service should be held above any and all
>>> .politics
>>> ..> for
>>> ..> the sake of the blind community and most of all to provide blind 
>>> news
>>> ..> paper
>>> ..> readers an honest library experience.
>>> ..>
>>> ..>
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