[nfb-talk] Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper!NFBNewsLineFails that!

[James Aldrich]

Hope,

Write me off list and we can try to figure this out.  My Email address is 
jkaldrich at qwest.net.

Jim


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] 
Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper!NFBNewsLineFails 
that!


>I am changing the subject.
> Hi Jim.
> Do you remember me? I know I have met you some whare.
> Hope
>
> -----Original Message-----
> .From: "James Aldrich"<jkaldrich at qwest.net>
> .Sent: 7/23/06 1:48:48 PM
> .To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> .Subject: Re: 
> [nfb-talk]Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper!NFBNewsLineFails 
> that!
> .
> .I'm not taking issue with that! Just the same, the Nfb went after
> .the money and got it! Therefore, they have the right to proomte
> .what they will.
> .
> .Jim
> .
> .> ----- Original Message -----
> .>From: "Tom Mills" <tmills79 at bellsouth.net
> .>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> .>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:08:49 -0500
> .>Subject: Re:
> .[nfb-talk]Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper
> .!NFBNewsLineFails that!
> .
> .>Sir: I beg your pardon!  Tens of millions dollars have been
> .contributed by
> .>many other government and private partnerships to News Line.  But
> .even if
> .>every single penny were donated by the many generous federation
> .members I
> .>still would have the right to raise my concerns about the
> .operation and
> .>administration of News Line.
> .>----- Original Message -----
> .>From: "James Aldrich" <jkaldrich at qwest.net
> .>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> .>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:52 PM
> .>Subject: Re:
> .>[nfb-talk]Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper
> .!
> .>NFBNewsLineFails that!
> .
> .
> .>> Tom,
> .
> .>> The fact remains NFB put up the money for Newsline.  It governs
> .the
> .>> policies
> .>> of that service.  NFB will promote itself on that service since
> .they put
> .>> up
> .>> the money for it!  That's the way it is whether you like it or
> .not.  You
> .>> don't have to read those announcements if you don't wish to do
> .so.  You
> .>> won't hear an NFB announcement on ACB Radio.  ACB put up the
> .money for
> .>> that
> .>> service, therefore, it will promote itself.  You may or may not
> .like it
> .>> but
> .>> that is the way it is!
> .
> .>> Jim Aldrich
> .
> .
> .>> ----- Original Message -----
> .>> From: "Tom Mills" <tmills79 at bellsouth.net
> .>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> .>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:14 PM
> .>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]
> .>> Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB
> .NewsLineFails
> .>> that!
> .
> .
> .>>> Once upon a time, the American Foundation for the Blind was with
> .out
> .>>> question the richest blind organization in existence.  They held
> .a
> .>>> virtual
> .>>> monopoly on the sale and distribution of aids and appliances for
> .blind
> .>>> people in the world.  estimates of the AFB's wealth ranged
> .upwards of 250
> .>>> million 1970 dollars.  Many blind leaders of that time long ago
> .believed
> .>>> that AFB gained most of their wealth by charging usury prices
> .for aids
> .>>> and
> .>>> appliances for sale to blind people.  Also the AFB and many
> .other
> .>>> organizations working on behalf of blind people used their
> .considerable
> .>>> prestige to obstruct fund raising efforts by the National
> .Federation of
> .>>> the
> .>>> Blind in particular.  I happen to think that the Federation's
> .cocky
> .>>> attitude
> .>>> toward those blind people who have learned from past experiences
> .the
> .>>> lessons
> .>>> of history.
> .>>>  The only information offered by the NFB News Line Service
> .should be
> .>>> limited to those news papers in the News Line Library.  Remember
> .that the
> .>>> hole concept of NFB News Line is a most rarest of privilege
> .granted to
> .>>> the
> .>>> blind community by many contributing news organizations in the
> .news paper
> .>>> industry.  And the blind should respected as such.
> .>>> Because the news
> .>>> ----- Original Message -----
> .>>> From: "James Aldrich" <jkaldrich at qwest.net
> .>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> .>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 3:40 PM
> .>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind
> .>>> peopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News
> .LineFails
> .>>> that!
> .
> .
> .>>>>I didn't imply that free laborers in a program was a sign of
> .excellence!
> .>>>> The fact remains that the NFB had the vision for the program,
> .provided
> .>>>> the
> .>>>> money, no how, and got it up and running with the help of
> .various grants
> .>>>> and
> .>>>> entities.  Until the ACB, AFB or any other organization steps
> .forward to
> .>>>> help with the program, announcements pertaining to the NFB and
> .its
> .>>>> affiliates will probably dominate the service.  I am certain
> .other
> .>>>> announcements pertaining to NLS state and regional library
> .services are
> .>>>> also
> .>>>> on that system.  Some states may have their Radio Reading
> .Service on the
> .>>>> system as well.  There is talk about getting our Radio Reading
> .Service
> .>>>> on
> .>>>> the system.  Maybe you sir might come up with some money to help
> .>>>> Newsline
> .>>>> and if it is substantial enough, you might have more of a say as
> .to
> .>>>> which
> .>>>> announcements appear on the service.
> .
> .>>>> You certainly didn't answer my question!  Why does ACB Radio
> .depend on
> .>>>> volunteers exclusively rather than paying DJ's for their work.
> .This
> .>>>> could
> .>>>> develop into a nice opportunity for someone and it could go on a
> .resume.
> .>>>> Of
> .>>>> course, it is rare that volunteering doesn't always mean much on
> .a
> .>>>> resume.
> .>>>> It depends on the job being sought I suppose.  I think people
> .should be
> .>>>> paid
> .>>>> for their labors if they are good enough!  I really don't think
> .my
> .>>>> question
> .>>>> is out of line either!
> .
> .>>>> If all I read is outbursts from you, I would say you aren't
> .worth my
> .>>>> time
> .>>>> to
> .>>>> attempt rational discussion.  For now, I'll leave it at that!
> .
> .>>>> Jim Aldrich
> .
> .
> .>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> .>>>> From: "Tom Mills" <tmills79 at bellsouth.net
> .>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> .>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:23 PM
> .>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people
> .>>>> deservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line
> .Fails that!
> .
> .
> .>>>>> For goodness sake since when did the members of the National
> .Federation
> .>>>>> of
> .>>>>> the Blind begin to use your rival blind group the American
> .Council of
> .>>>>> the
> .>>>>> Blind as a standard of comparison and excellence?  The NFB has
> .not
> .>>>>> proven
> .>>>>> itself worthy to be the sole organization in the world I know of
> .that
> .>>>>> Distributes over two hundred main stream daily and weekly news
> .papers.
> .>>>>> With
> .>>>>> that responsibility comes an enormous need remain above any
> .suspicion
> .>>>>> of
> .>>>>> fishing and grabbing subscribers from News Line for other
> .purposes.  The
> .>>>>> National Federation has had a long history accusing other
> .organizations
> .>>>>> in
> .>>>>> the blind community of that!    ---- Original Message -----
> .>>>>> From: "James Aldrich" <jkaldrich at qwest.net
> .>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> .>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:14 AM
> .>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve
> .>>>>> alibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
> .
> .
> .>>>>>> I'm amazed that there should be such flack about Newsline which
> .is
> .>>>>>> providing
> .>>>>>> a most valuable service and Newsline  is finding new ways to
> .>>>>>> distribute
> .>>>>>> the
> .>>>>>> newspapers on their service.  Maybe I should say our service?
> .Nothing
> .>>>>>> is
> .>>>>>> said about ACB Radio when the "dj's" on their service aren't
> .being
> .>>>>>> paid
> .>>>>>> to
> .>>>>>> program the music which is played.  I'm not saying that people
> .aren't
> .>>>>>> having
> .>>>>>> fun being a DJ, but there is no compensation other than one's
> .personal
> .>>>>>> satisfaction for doing what they do.  That's okay I guess but
> .how nice
> .>>>>>> it
> .>>>>>> would be if this daily or weekly broadcasting by various
> .individuals
> .>>>>>> could
> .>>>>>> translate into a paying job.  I've heard nothing about this!
> .Might
> .>>>>>> not
> .>>>>>> that
> .>>>>>> be a kind of scandal?
> .
> .>>>>>> I figure it this way!  If the NFB is sponsoring the service, it
>.has a
> .>>>>>> right
> .>>>>>> to promote what it will.  ACB Radio does so and are they as
> ."wrong"
> .>>>>>> for
> .>>>>>> doing so?  I doubt it!  Therefore, I'd conclude that the NFB is
> .>>>>>> providing
> .>>>>>> a
> .>>>>>> most useful resource for us to be better participants in our
> .>>>>>> communities.
> .>>>>>> How is ACB Radio helping people be more involved with their
> .>>>>>> communities?
> .>>>>>> I'd say hats off to Newsline, a good program for all regardless
> .of
> .>>>>>> which
> .>>>>>> organization they have joined.  If ACB put money towards
> .Newsline
> .>>>>>> which
> .>>>>>> is
> .>>>>>> available to anyone with a phone, then maybe they could promote
> .what
> .>>>>>> they
> .>>>>>> would wish to promote.  Money talks!  In contrast, people need a
> .>>>>>> computer
> .>>>>>> to
> .>>>>>> listen to ACB Radio unless they have some kind of cell phone
> .>>>>>> arrangement
> .>>>>>> or
> .>>>>>> land line arrangement to access their programming.  Newsline is
> .a
> .>>>>>> program
> .>>>>>> I
> .>>>>>> don't have a problem supporting.
> .
> .>>>>>> Jim Aldrich
> .
> .
> .>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> .>>>>>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net
> .>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>;
> .>>>>>> <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net
> .>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:28 AM
> .>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a
> .>>>>>> libraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
> .
> .
> .>>>>>>> Dear Mr.  Mills,
> .>>>>>>> "GET A LIFE."
> .
> .>>>>>>> David Evans
> .>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> .>>>>>>> From: "Tom Mills" <tmills79 at bellsouth.net
> .>>>>>>> To: <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
> .>>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> .>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:46 AM
> .>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
> .>>>>>>> experiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
> .
> .
> .>>>>>>>> The trouble with most members of the federation is a complete
> .always
> .>>>>>>>> stubborn resistance to suggestions for change.  Every one on
> .this
> .>>>>>>>> list
> .>>>>>>>> knows
> .>>>>>>>> that I have questioned the fairness and management of the NFB
> .News
> .>>>>>>>> Line
> .>>>>>>>> news
> .>>>>>>>> paper Service.
> .>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> .>>>>>>>> From: "Wm.  Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net
> .>>>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> .>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:30 AM
> .>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
> .experience
> .>>>>>>>> readingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
> .
> .
> .>>>>>>>>> Did I miss something?  Considering that the only thing I have
> .seen
> .>>>>>>>>> about
> .>>>>>>>>> NFB Newsline recently was a post from the ACB leadership list
> .>>>>>>>>> encouraging the ACB membership to try to stop the Federal
> .funding
> .>>>>>>>>> for
> .>>>>>>>>> NFB Newsline.
> .
> .>>>>>>>>> The post made claims that any knowledgeable person would
> .recognize
> .>>>>>>>>> as
> .>>>>>>>>> untrue.  In the normal ACB fashion, the post demonstrated that
> .if
> .>>>>>>>>> NFB
> .>>>>>>>>> is
> .>>>>>>>>> creating something, the members of the ACB in general will be
> .>>>>>>>>> against
> .>>>>>>>>> it.
> .
> .>>>>>>>>> One last thing.  I have a question for you Tom.  Why do you
> .bother
> .>>>>>>>>> with
> .>>>>>>>>> us NFB folks?  I personally wouldn't waste my time with people
> .whom
> .>>>>>>>>> I
> .>>>>>>>>> thought were so evil and always wrong.  It just seems that you
> .>>>>>>>>> could
> .>>>>>>>>> find a better use of your time doing something other than 
> making
> .>>>>>>>>> angry
> .>>>>>>>>> post to an email list made up mostly of people who have beliefs
> .>>>>>>>>> that
> .>>>>>>>>> are
> .>>>>>>>>> totally different from your own.
> .
> .
> .
> .>>>>>>>>> William
> .
> .
> .>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> .>>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> .>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> .>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Tom Mills
> .>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:15 AM
> .>>>>>>>>> To: 4alabama at nfbnet.org
> .>>>>>>>>> Cc: nfblaw at nfbnet.org; alabama at acb.org; acb-l at acb.org;
> .>>>>>>>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; acb-chat at acb.org
> .>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library experience
> .>>>>>>>>> reading
> .>>>>>>>>> thenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
> .
> .>>>>>>>>> I too wonder where the blind community is when they turn their
> .>>>>>>>>> backs
> .>>>>>>>>> on
> .>>>>>>>>> decency and respect for an unbiased library experience while
> .>>>>>>>>> reading
> .>>>>>>>>> the
> .
> .>>>>>>>>> Alabama NFB News Line Service.  The Federation is more
> .interested in
> .>>>>>>>>> promoting its blind advocacy program; like filing frivolous law
> .>>>>>>>>> suits
> .>>>>>>>>> mostly
> .>>>>>>>>> for the sake of publicity and all the while knowing that most
> .>>>>>>>>> government
> .
> .>>>>>>>>> agencies and big business concerns will quietly settle crappy
> .law
> .>>>>>>>>> suits
> .>>>>>>>>> in
> .>>>>>>>>> the legal settlement mill.  Remember I am talking about the
> .National
> .>>>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind! The NFB News Line should never be used
> .to
> .>>>>>>>>> promote
> .>>>>>>>>> NFB's advocacy positions and federation policies.  Also, the
> .Alabama
> .>>>>>>>>> chapter
> .>>>>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind should not be permitted
> .to
> .>>>>>>>>> use
> .>>>>>>>>> the
> .>>>>>>>>> NFB News Line Service to advance the reputation of Mister J.
> .>>>>>>>>> Michael
> .>>>>>>>>> Jones,
> .>>>>>>>>> the Alabama affiliates state NFB president.  NFB President
> .Doctor
> .>>>>>>>>> Marc
> .>>>>>>>>> Maurer has said that the NFB News Line Service has "A Special
> .>>>>>>>>> relationship
> .>>>>>>>>> with the news paper industry publishers participating on News
> .>>>>>>>>> Line."
> .>>>>>>>>> Let
> .>>>>>>>>> me
> .>>>>>>>>> tell you something all you girls and guys, that frightens me! 
> I
> .>>>>>>>>> believe
> .
> .>>>>>>>>> that the NFB News Line Service should be held above any and all
> .>>>>>>>>> politics
> .>>>>>>>>> for
> .>>>>>>>>> the sake of the blind community and most of all to provide 
> blind
> .>>>>>>>>> news
> .>>>>>>>>> paper
> .>>>>>>>>> readers an honest library experience.
> .
> .
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