[nfb-talk] Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper!NFBNewsLineFails that!
Hope Hein
hmhein at verizon.net
Sun Jul 23 16:03:01 CDT 2006
I am changing the subject.
Hi Jim.
Do you remember me? I know I have met you some whare.
Hope
-----Original Message-----
.From: "James Aldrich"<jkaldrich at qwest.net>
.Sent: 7/23/06 1:48:48 PM
.To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
.Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper!NFBNewsLineFails that!
.
.I'm not taking issue with that! Just the same, the Nfb went after
.the money and got it! Therefore, they have the right to proomte
.what they will.
.
.Jim
.
.> ----- Original Message -----
.>From: "Tom Mills" <tmills79 at bellsouth.net
.>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
.>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:08:49 -0500
.>Subject: Re:
.[nfb-talk]Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper
.!NFBNewsLineFails that!
.
.>Sir: I beg your pardon! Tens of millions dollars have been
.contributed by
.>many other government and private partnerships to News Line. But
.even if
.>every single penny were donated by the many generous federation
.members I
.>still would have the right to raise my concerns about the
.operation and
.>administration of News Line.
.>----- Original Message -----
.>From: "James Aldrich" <jkaldrich at qwest.net
.>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
.>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:52 PM
.>Subject: Re:
.>[nfb-talk]Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper
.!
.>NFBNewsLineFails that!
.
.
.>> Tom,
.
.>> The fact remains NFB put up the money for Newsline. It governs
.the
.>> policies
.>> of that service. NFB will promote itself on that service since
.they put
.>> up
.>> the money for it! That's the way it is whether you like it or
.not. You
.>> don't have to read those announcements if you don't wish to do
.so. You
.>> won't hear an NFB announcement on ACB Radio. ACB put up the
.money for
.>> that
.>> service, therefore, it will promote itself. You may or may not
.like it
.>> but
.>> that is the way it is!
.
.>> Jim Aldrich
.
.
.>> ----- Original Message -----
.>> From: "Tom Mills" <tmills79 at bellsouth.net
.>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
.>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:14 PM
.>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]
.>> Blindpeopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB
.NewsLineFails
.>> that!
.
.
.>>> Once upon a time, the American Foundation for the Blind was with
.out
.>>> question the richest blind organization in existence. They held
.a
.>>> virtual
.>>> monopoly on the sale and distribution of aids and appliances for
.blind
.>>> people in the world. estimates of the AFB's wealth ranged
.upwards of 250
.>>> million 1970 dollars. Many blind leaders of that time long ago
.believed
.>>> that AFB gained most of their wealth by charging usury prices
.for aids
.>>> and
.>>> appliances for sale to blind people. Also the AFB and many
.other
.>>> organizations working on behalf of blind people used their
.considerable
.>>> prestige to obstruct fund raising efforts by the National
.Federation of
.>>> the
.>>> Blind in particular. I happen to think that the Federation's
.cocky
.>>> attitude
.>>> toward those blind people who have learned from past experiences
.the
.>>> lessons
.>>> of history.
.>>> The only information offered by the NFB News Line Service
.should be
.>>> limited to those news papers in the News Line Library. Remember
.that the
.>>> hole concept of NFB News Line is a most rarest of privilege
.granted to
.>>> the
.>>> blind community by many contributing news organizations in the
.news paper
.>>> industry. And the blind should respected as such.
.>>> Because the news
.>>> ----- Original Message -----
.>>> From: "James Aldrich" <jkaldrich at qwest.net
.>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
.>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 3:40 PM
.>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind
.>>> peopledeservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News
.LineFails
.>>> that!
.
.
.>>>>I didn't imply that free laborers in a program was a sign of
.excellence!
.>>>> The fact remains that the NFB had the vision for the program,
.provided
.>>>> the
.>>>> money, no how, and got it up and running with the help of
.various grants
.>>>> and
.>>>> entities. Until the ACB, AFB or any other organization steps
.forward to
.>>>> help with the program, announcements pertaining to the NFB and
.its
.>>>> affiliates will probably dominate the service. I am certain
.other
.>>>> announcements pertaining to NLS state and regional library
.services are
.>>>> also
.>>>> on that system. Some states may have their Radio Reading
.Service on the
.>>>> system as well. There is talk about getting our Radio Reading
.Service
.>>>> on
.>>>> the system. Maybe you sir might come up with some money to help
.>>>> Newsline
.>>>> and if it is substantial enough, you might have more of a say as
.to
.>>>> which
.>>>> announcements appear on the service.
.
.>>>> You certainly didn't answer my question! Why does ACB Radio
.depend on
.>>>> volunteers exclusively rather than paying DJ's for their work.
.This
.>>>> could
.>>>> develop into a nice opportunity for someone and it could go on a
.resume.
.>>>> Of
.>>>> course, it is rare that volunteering doesn't always mean much on
.a
.>>>> resume.
.>>>> It depends on the job being sought I suppose. I think people
.should be
.>>>> paid
.>>>> for their labors if they are good enough! I really don't think
.my
.>>>> question
.>>>> is out of line either!
.
.>>>> If all I read is outbursts from you, I would say you aren't
.worth my
.>>>> time
.>>>> to
.>>>> attempt rational discussion. For now, I'll leave it at that!
.
.>>>> Jim Aldrich
.
.
.>>>> ----- Original Message -----
.>>>> From: "Tom Mills" <tmills79 at bellsouth.net
.>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
.>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:23 PM
.>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people
.>>>> deservealibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line
.Fails that!
.
.
.>>>>> For goodness sake since when did the members of the National
.Federation
.>>>>> of
.>>>>> the Blind begin to use your rival blind group the American
.Council of
.>>>>> the
.>>>>> Blind as a standard of comparison and excellence? The NFB has
.not
.>>>>> proven
.>>>>> itself worthy to be the sole organization in the world I know of
.that
.>>>>> Distributes over two hundred main stream daily and weekly news
.papers.
.>>>>> With
.>>>>> that responsibility comes an enormous need remain above any
.suspicion
.>>>>> of
.>>>>> fishing and grabbing subscribers from News Line for other
.purposes. The
.>>>>> National Federation has had a long history accusing other
.organizations
.>>>>> in
.>>>>> the blind community of that! ---- Original Message -----
.>>>>> From: "James Aldrich" <jkaldrich at qwest.net
.>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
.>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:14 AM
.>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve
.>>>>> alibraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
.
.
.>>>>>> I'm amazed that there should be such flack about Newsline which
.is
.>>>>>> providing
.>>>>>> a most valuable service and Newsline is finding new ways to
.>>>>>> distribute
.>>>>>> the
.>>>>>> newspapers on their service. Maybe I should say our service?
.Nothing
.>>>>>> is
.>>>>>> said about ACB Radio when the "dj's" on their service aren't
.being
.>>>>>> paid
.>>>>>> to
.>>>>>> program the music which is played. I'm not saying that people
.aren't
.>>>>>> having
.>>>>>> fun being a DJ, but there is no compensation other than one's
.personal
.>>>>>> satisfaction for doing what they do. That's okay I guess but
.how nice
.>>>>>> it
.>>>>>> would be if this daily or weekly broadcasting by various
.individuals
.>>>>>> could
.>>>>>> translate into a paying job. I've heard nothing about this!
.Might
.>>>>>> not
.>>>>>> that
.>>>>>> be a kind of scandal?
.
.>>>>>> I figure it this way! If the NFB is sponsoring the service, it
.has a
.>>>>>> right
.>>>>>> to promote what it will. ACB Radio does so and are they as
."wrong"
.>>>>>> for
.>>>>>> doing so? I doubt it! Therefore, I'd conclude that the NFB is
.>>>>>> providing
.>>>>>> a
.>>>>>> most useful resource for us to be better participants in our
.>>>>>> communities.
.>>>>>> How is ACB Radio helping people be more involved with their
.>>>>>> communities?
.>>>>>> I'd say hats off to Newsline, a good program for all regardless
.of
.>>>>>> which
.>>>>>> organization they have joined. If ACB put money towards
.Newsline
.>>>>>> which
.>>>>>> is
.>>>>>> available to anyone with a phone, then maybe they could promote
.what
.>>>>>> they
.>>>>>> would wish to promote. Money talks! In contrast, people need a
.>>>>>> computer
.>>>>>> to
.>>>>>> listen to ACB Radio unless they have some kind of cell phone
.>>>>>> arrangement
.>>>>>> or
.>>>>>> land line arrangement to access their programming. Newsline is
.a
.>>>>>> program
.>>>>>> I
.>>>>>> don't have a problem supporting.
.
.>>>>>> Jim Aldrich
.
.
.>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
.>>>>>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net
.>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>;
.>>>>>> <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net
.>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:28 AM
.>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a
.>>>>>> libraryexperiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
.
.
.>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Mills,
.>>>>>>> "GET A LIFE."
.
.>>>>>>> David Evans
.>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
.>>>>>>> From: "Tom Mills" <tmills79 at bellsouth.net
.>>>>>>> To: <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
.>>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
.>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:46 AM
.>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
.>>>>>>> experiencereadingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
.
.
.>>>>>>>> The trouble with most members of the federation is a complete
.always
.>>>>>>>> stubborn resistance to suggestions for change. Every one on
.this
.>>>>>>>> list
.>>>>>>>> knows
.>>>>>>>> that I have questioned the fairness and management of the NFB
.News
.>>>>>>>> Line
.>>>>>>>> news
.>>>>>>>> paper Service.
.>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
.>>>>>>>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net
.>>>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
.>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:30 AM
.>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library
.experience
.>>>>>>>> readingthenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
.
.
.>>>>>>>>> Did I miss something? Considering that the only thing I have
.seen
.>>>>>>>>> about
.>>>>>>>>> NFB Newsline recently was a post from the ACB leadership list
.>>>>>>>>> encouraging the ACB membership to try to stop the Federal
.funding
.>>>>>>>>> for
.>>>>>>>>> NFB Newsline.
.
.>>>>>>>>> The post made claims that any knowledgeable person would
.recognize
.>>>>>>>>> as
.>>>>>>>>> untrue. In the normal ACB fashion, the post demonstrated that
.if
.>>>>>>>>> NFB
.>>>>>>>>> is
.>>>>>>>>> creating something, the members of the ACB in general will be
.>>>>>>>>> against
.>>>>>>>>> it.
.
.>>>>>>>>> One last thing. I have a question for you Tom. Why do you
.bother
.>>>>>>>>> with
.>>>>>>>>> us NFB folks? I personally wouldn't waste my time with people
.whom
.>>>>>>>>> I
.>>>>>>>>> thought were so evil and always wrong. It just seems that you
.>>>>>>>>> could
.>>>>>>>>> find a better use of your time doing something other than making
.>>>>>>>>> angry
.>>>>>>>>> post to an email list made up mostly of people who have beliefs
.>>>>>>>>> that
.>>>>>>>>> are
.>>>>>>>>> totally different from your own.
.
.
.
.>>>>>>>>> William
.
.
.>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
.>>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
.>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
.>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Tom Mills
.>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:15 AM
.>>>>>>>>> To: 4alabama at nfbnet.org
.>>>>>>>>> Cc: nfblaw at nfbnet.org; alabama at acb.org; acb-l at acb.org;
.>>>>>>>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; acb-chat at acb.org
.>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind people deserve a library experience
.>>>>>>>>> reading
.>>>>>>>>> thenewspaper! NFB News Line Fails that!
.
.>>>>>>>>> I too wonder where the blind community is when they turn their
.>>>>>>>>> backs
.>>>>>>>>> on
.>>>>>>>>> decency and respect for an unbiased library experience while
.>>>>>>>>> reading
.>>>>>>>>> the
.
.>>>>>>>>> Alabama NFB News Line Service. The Federation is more
.interested in
.>>>>>>>>> promoting its blind advocacy program; like filing frivolous law
.>>>>>>>>> suits
.>>>>>>>>> mostly
.>>>>>>>>> for the sake of publicity and all the while knowing that most
.>>>>>>>>> government
.
.>>>>>>>>> agencies and big business concerns will quietly settle crappy
.law
.>>>>>>>>> suits
.>>>>>>>>> in
.>>>>>>>>> the legal settlement mill. Remember I am talking about the
.National
.>>>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind! The NFB News Line should never be used
.to
.>>>>>>>>> promote
.>>>>>>>>> NFB's advocacy positions and federation policies. Also, the
.Alabama
.>>>>>>>>> chapter
.>>>>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind should not be permitted
.to
.>>>>>>>>> use
.>>>>>>>>> the
.>>>>>>>>> NFB News Line Service to advance the reputation of Mister J.
.>>>>>>>>> Michael
.>>>>>>>>> Jones,
.>>>>>>>>> the Alabama affiliates state NFB president. NFB President
.Doctor
.>>>>>>>>> Marc
.>>>>>>>>> Maurer has said that the NFB News Line Service has "A Special
.>>>>>>>>> relationship
.>>>>>>>>> with the news paper industry publishers participating on News
.>>>>>>>>> Line."
.>>>>>>>>> Let
.>>>>>>>>> me
.>>>>>>>>> tell you something all you girls and guys, that frightens me! I
.>>>>>>>>> believe
.
.>>>>>>>>> that the NFB News Line Service should be held above any and all
.>>>>>>>>> politics
.>>>>>>>>> for
.>>>>>>>>> the sake of the blind community and most of all to provide blind
.>>>>>>>>> news
.>>>>>>>>> paper
.>>>>>>>>> readers an honest library experience.
.
.
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