[nfb-talk] Small towns

Catherine Close cgclose at earthlink.net
Sun Dec 24 01:44:59 CST 2006 

Judy, I have been following this thread but didn't get back to this message
until now.  I am from Pennsylvania, but from Western Pennsylvania, so a few
hours away.  I'd be glad to provide any moral support I can and help with
any Rehab issues since I used to work for Cap and serve on the state rehab
council and am a long-time federationist, as is Cindy, who has been involved
in the discussion.  I'm probably not making sense at this hour of the
morning.

You have provided great parenting advice--can't think of anything to add in
that regard.  Thanks.

Cathy Close
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:15 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns

Is there anyone on the list out there from Pennsylvania who can help Josh
and Luann?  Thanks.

Judy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "LuAnn Kennedy" <luann.kennedy at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns


> But as far as we know there is no nfb chapter in either Allentown or 
> Reading
> Pennsylvania.
>
> Josh
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>
>
>> Josh;
>> Also look into food stamps.  With a new baby, you should be able to get
>> help.  Also try your church.  They might be able to find some people to
>> move you when you find a new location.  Your NFB chapter might be able
>> to help in job seaking.  When ever I see a job opening listed on the
>> e-mail, I send it to my chapter leader and our blind doors rep.
>> Terry Powers
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cindy Handel [mailto:cindy425 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:08 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>
>> Couldn't BVS help you with that?  Have you talked with a counselor,
>> there?
>>
>> Cindy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>
>>
>> How can I do that when I only get maybe $300 a month spending money if
>> I'm
>> lucky and a child on the way in two months or so?
>> If you have any suggestions let me know.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>
>>
>>> Oh, Josh!!  Get yourself certified in some sort of computer tech field
>>> with
>>> Spanish as an additional selling tool for companies who need your
>>> services.
>>> Sounds like you've got the makings for a great career that will net
>> you
>>> much
>>> more than staying home online.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would like to do some kind of computer work. In addition to Spanish
>> I
>>>>know
>>>> a smattering of visual basic programming, and I also am good at basic
>>>> html.
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:32 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Josh,
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't read every message in this thread, so you might have
>> answered
>>>>> this
>>>>> question.  But, what kind of work would you like to do?  Did you go
>> to
>>>>> school for a degree in a specific field?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the problem is we live in the middle of nowhere are are no places
>> like
>>>>> that
>>>>> around here. Unless I could work for OVR or something like that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:44 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Josh,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Home businesses are great, and I know more people are getting into
>> them
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> the time.  But you and your family need "table" money.  Money to
>> eat
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> live on and save on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When my husband and I were first married in 1980, we got into
>> Amway.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> also wanted to make it right away in a home business.  We had some
>>>>>> accounts
>>>>>> going, plus a commercial account, but nothing we could have lived
>> on,
>>>>>> paid
>>>>>> rent, utilities, insurance, etc.  I don't doubt you can get to that
>>>>>> point,
>>>>>> but we didn't have the money to invest to give us that kind of
>> start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of people get jobs working as a cashier, pizza delivery, any
>> low
>>>>>> end
>>>>>> job for starters, then move up, expand, save, then invest
>>>>>> in a home business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It didn't take us long to discover that we needed to get our
>> priorities
>>>>>> better organized before really branching into any home business,
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> in trying to support little ones.  At that time, Chris was working
>> as a
>>>>>> clerk for a produce house, and I was working for a center for
>>>>>> independent
>>>>>> living.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll put the answers after your questions below. No I don't think
>> it's
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> good idea just to spontaniously move to a foreign country. And any
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> could give me at starting or working in some kind of home business
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> helpful. Keeping in mind of course that currently my wife and I do
>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> small town, and we don't have any contacts. now the answers to
>> your
>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have good internet skills?  Yes I have good internet
>> skills.
>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> do research on the web?  Yes I'm good at doing research on the
>> web.
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> you know about marketing? I know hardly anything about marketing.
>>>>>>> Can you set up a web site? a Pay Pal account? Yes I can set up a
>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I already have a pay-pal account.
>>>>>>> Let me know?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>;
>>>>>>> <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:48 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Josh,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you get the idea that it would be better for you, as a
>> Blind
>>>>>>>> person, to live in a foreign country?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With only maybe a few acceptions, I can not think of many
>> countries
>>>>>>>> where,
>>>>>>>> you, not being a natural born citizen would be able to access
>> public
>>>>>>>> services like you can here.  Especially in the countries that you
>>>>>>>> named.
>>>>>>>> If I were going to live in another country, and be blind, I would
>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>> pick
>>>>>>>> Spain.
>>>>>>>> The Spanish are perhaps the best educated in the World and have
>> the
>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>> Spanish Lottery to help support themselves.
>>>>>>>> Barcelona is very good and you see blind people every where
>> there.
>>>>>>>> I would just caution you to not jump from the frying pan into the
>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>> thinking the grass is greener in other countries because the cost
>> of
>>>>>>>> living
>>>>>>>> is lower.  So is unemployment and wages for the blind and
>> services to
>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>> them are nothing like you have here.
>>>>>>>> Sweden has socialize medicine and services for the disabled, but
>> even
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> demand 73% of everything you earn for taxes to support you.
>>>>>>>> They do have very good education there and most people in Sweden
>> have
>>>>>>>> college degrees.
>>>>>>>> Leaving all of your supporting family and friends could be a
>> misstep.
>>>>>>>> I would think long and hard before giving up what you have here.
>>>>>>>> I know that I am giving you advice here and you can take it or
>> leave
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> I am 60 years old next month and I have been blind since the age
>> of
>>>>>>>> 16.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have been very lucky and I have a very good education and very
>> good
>>>>>>>> skills.
>>>>>>>> I have also lived, both as a Navy brat and as an engineer, in
>> several
>>>>>>>> foreign countries and I support some programs for the blind in
>> some
>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>> countries.
>>>>>>>> If you plan to leave and live abroad, you will need to have some
>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> are portable and some what in demand anywhere you go.
>>>>>>>> You will need some way to be sure you can support yourself and
>> your
>>>>>>>> family.
>>>>>>>> It would be great if you could work on the internet and find a
>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> could go into that you could do from anywhere.
>>>>>>>> I don't know what to tell you to look for exactly, but I know
>> that
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> go there, without having some plan might not be a good idea.
>>>>>>>> Let us talk some more about this idea and maybe we can come up
>> with
>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have good internet skills?  Can you do research on the
>> web?
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> you know about marketing?
>>>>>>>> Can you set up a web site? a Pay Pal account?
>>>>>>>> Let me know?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Evans, NFBF
>>>>>>>> Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer
>>>>>>>> Builder of the Lunar Rovers and F-117-A Stealth Fighter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:36 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So then maybe it would better if my wife and I could find some
>> way
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>> money and move to Europe? Or maybe puerto rico or costa rica
>> since
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> cheaper to live there and public transportation there is really
>>>>>>>>> good?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:47 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Josh,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, living in a small town can be a challenge for a blind
>> person.
>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>> sister lives in a small town in southeastern Georgia.  She
>>>>>>>>>> struggles
>>>>>>>>>> regularly with the transportation issues that exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, life in the big city is not necessarily better.  Our
>>>>>>>>>> society
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> automobile focused.  As a result, the public transportation
>> systems
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> most cities are not as good as they should be.  Yes, there is
>> more
>>>>>>>>>> opportunities for employment.  But, it is very hard to maintain
>>>>>>>>>> employment, if you cannot get to the job.  Just a few days ago,
>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>> Evans posted a note that included comments on this issue.  You
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> keep in mind that it is possible to live in a big city and
>> still be
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> as isolated as though you were in a small town.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I recall from one of your posts that you prefer to work from
>> home.
>>>>>>>>>> That's fine.  If you can find that type of employment.  Most
>>>>>>>>>> employers
>>>>>>>>>> are not that accommodating to their employees.  Many of my
>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>> co-workers used to work regularly from home.  Our company
>> merged
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> SBC and the new leadership set new rules that did away with
>> most
>>>>>>>>>> tele-commuting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Small towns do have some advantages.  I personally like being
>> able
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> walk wherever I wish in a small town.  You cannot do that in a
>>>>>>>>>> city.
>>>>>>>>>> Plus, big cities have crime issues that are generally far worse
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> small towns.  That is something to consider.  Especially with
>> small
>>>>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> William
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Josh
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If my kid grows up in a small town then he will be sheltered
>> from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> rest
>>>>>>>>>> of the world. He'll never know what it's like to live in a
>> city, go
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cruze, and even live in Vienna Austria with nice public
>>>>>>>>>> transportation.
>>>>>>>>>> I do
>>>>>>>>>> not like small towns and believe me! as soon as my wife can,
>> we're
>>>>>>>>>> moving to
>>>>>>>>>> a city and we won't live in a small town again unless we have
>> to or
>>>>>>>>>> unless
>>>>>>>>>> there is public transportation which can take us into the city
>>>>>>>>>> whenever
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JOsh,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I got a teaching job years ago in a town of about 300 in
>>>>>>>>>>> population.
>>>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>>>> were only two towns in the county, but I loved it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The small town experience may be really good for your son, and
>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>>> be loving parents.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:34 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi judy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless my wife and I can move out of this town and out of
>>>>>>>>>> Pennsylvania
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> that matter we'll be sending our kid to public school because
>> we
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere because we live in a small in-the-middle-of-nowhere
>> town
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>> there's nothing to do. and the nearest city is a half hour or
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>> away. If LuAnn's parents, and my parents in my opinion wanted
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> best for us they should have moved into a city as soon as
>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> knew
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind and not allowed us to be stranded out here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
>>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Josh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand what you are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a horrible time with algebra in high school, and the
>> field
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> went into later didn't require that skill.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've said to our kids what your dad has said to you, to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through, and to let them know I understood.  Nevertheless,
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is what builds character, even though it doesn't feel like
>> it at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, correction on the home schooling.  There are
>> requirements
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>> district may have.  You home school by either following a
>>>>>>>>>> pre-defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>> curriculum, or developing your own, but whichever way you
>> go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> district/national scholastic requirements for the amounts of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> credits
>>>>>>>>>>>>> earned
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a particular subject area to move through the school
>> grades.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have several choices of curricula in various subject
>> areas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to meet requirements set forth by your district.  You
>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>>>>>>>> records into your district on a regular basis, depending on
>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may need to get a release from your district to home
>> school,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just standard procedure.  But remember, there is the issue
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your child's educational record.  Some districts don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> require
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation until your child reaches high school, but some
>> do.
>>>>>>>>>> Our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> district doesn't even let parents handle transcripts--or
>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the system for that matter--since they must be delivered
>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scholastic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> entity straight to the district office in a sealed envelope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, you will have the option (maybe) of going through the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluative scholastic testing that occurs throughout your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> child's
>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>> career.  Achievement tests, state testing, etc. to gauge how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> child
>>>>>>>>>>>>> measures to the standards set.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most home schoolers seem to come out ahead since they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-on-one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention, but you need to be organized and make sure you
>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> child
>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow through on all that is required.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't crucial so much in grade school as it is in
>> junior
>>>>>>>>>>>>> high,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> most cases, mandatory for high school records in preparation
>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> college.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would strongly encourage you to seek support from local
>> home
>>>>>>>>>> schoolers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your area.  There may be an organization for home schoolers
>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from. There are also yearly home school conventions you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out about curricula, texts, and lots of things that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to contact me off list if you have questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Bonnie Ainsworth" <cedarwoman1965 at neb.rr.com>; "NFB
>> Talk
>>>>>>>>>> Mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> List"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:23 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
>>>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The one thing I remember my dad telling me not so long ago
>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high school is that. I know you don't like studying this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if you do it and get it over with you'll never have to
>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. I didn't like algebra in high school, so I struggled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barely passed it but I passed none the less and now I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it for the rest of my life. Also in college they make
>> you
>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general education courses along with your major. It would
>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efficient
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you could just skip the general education stuff and just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> courses you went there for in the first place. For example,
>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spanish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major in college and my wife was a Spanish major but the
>> school
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any accomodations for us hardly so my wife dropped the
>> spanish
>>>>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then was just an English major. Why should I have to take
>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intro
>>>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> math
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> class if I'm a spanish major? One of the reasons I'd like
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home-school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> children is so they could focus more on what they are good
>> at
>>>>>>>>>> learning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to learn and less on things that may not interest
>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were home-schooled then I wouldn't have to worry about
>> someone
>>>>>>>>>> teaching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things such as sex education which is supposed to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parents
>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Bonnie Ainsworth" <cedarwoman1965 at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:48 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other thing that you might consider is making the
>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available for your children in the future, or maybe a
>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.  Maybe they might be interested in a subject they
>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheating doesn't accomplish anything.  It just makes a
>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy way out in life!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bonnie Ainsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lincoln, NE USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aspire to inspire before you expire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] cheating for studentsinjunior/high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh I don't think I'd go so far as to beat my kids bottoms.
>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine a swat if they were doing something to put their
>> lives in
>>>>>>>>>> danger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were cheating I'd ask them why first. If they said
>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the subject and they tried understanding it and studying
>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it I'd then ask my kids if they asked their teacher
>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said yes and if they just don't get the subject. I'd tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you fail a test in an honest manner than by cheating. If
>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grades
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you're not good at something or it's just not your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead, concentrate on what you're good at and don't
>> worry so
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you are not good at.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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