[nfb-talk] Small towns

Constance Canode satin-bear at sbcglobal.net
Fri Dec 22 06:27:16 CST 2006 

Hi Cindy,

I would love to see you in Atlanta.  Rick and I are going.  A miracle 
happened and I managed to get the time off for the third year in a 
row.  It would be great to see you.  It has been a long time.

Connie
At 05:52 PM 12/21/2006, you wrote:
>Judy,
>
>I haven't been at a national convention for several years.  Maybe we'll get
>there soon.
>
>Cindy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>
>
>Hi, Cindy,
>
>Yay!!  That's great.
>
>I believe I saw you at convention.  I remember hearing your name but didn't
>get to talk to you.  We were in line somewhere--can't remember exactly
>where.  I served as a "marshall" and loved it.
>
>Judy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
>
>
> > Judy, I'm from Pennsylvania.  I did give Josh the NFB of Pa. office phone
> > number.  If he calls, I know he can get some help.
> >
> > Cindy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >
> >
> > Is there anyone on the list out there from Pennsylvania who can help Josh
> > and Luann?  Thanks.
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: "LuAnn Kennedy" <luann.kennedy at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >
> >
> >> But as far as we know there is no nfb chapter in either Allentown or
> >> Reading
> >> Pennsylvania.
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:21 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>
> >>
> >>> Josh;
> >>> Also look into food stamps.  With a new baby, you should be able to get
> >>> help.  Also try your church.  They might be able to find some people to
> >>> move you when you find a new location.  Your NFB chapter might be able
> >>> to help in job seaking.  When ever I see a job opening listed on the
> >>> e-mail, I send it to my chapter leader and our blind doors rep.
> >>> Terry Powers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Cindy Handel [mailto:cindy425 at verizon.net]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:08 PM
> >>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>
> >>> Couldn't BVS help you with that?  Have you talked with a counselor,
> >>> there?
> >>>
> >>> Cindy
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:21 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How can I do that when I only get maybe $300 a month spending money if
> >>> I'm
> >>> lucky and a child on the way in two months or so?
> >>> If you have any suggestions let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Josh
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:32 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Oh, Josh!!  Get yourself certified in some sort of computer tech field
> >>>> with
> >>>> Spanish as an additional selling tool for companies who need your
> >>>> services.
> >>>> Sounds like you've got the makings for a great career that will net
> >>> you
> >>>> much
> >>>> more than staying home online.
> >>>>
> >>>> Judy
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:48 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I would like to do some kind of computer work. In addition to Spanish
> >>> I
> >>>>>know
> >>>>> a smattering of visual basic programming, and I also am good at basic
> >>>>> html.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Josh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> >>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:32 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Josh,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I haven't read every message in this thread, so you might have
> >>> answered
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>> question.  But, what kind of work would you like to do?  Did you go
> >>> to
> >>>>>> school for a degree in a specific field?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cindy
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:33 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> the problem is we live in the middle of nowhere are are no places
> >>> like
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> around here. Unless I could work for OVR or something like that?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
> >>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:44 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi, Josh,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Home businesses are great, and I know more people are getting into
> >>> them
> >>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>> the time.  But you and your family need "table" money.  Money to
> >>> eat
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> live on and save on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When my husband and I were first married in 1980, we got into
> >>> Amway.
> >>>>>>> We
> >>>>>>> also wanted to make it right away in a home business.  We had some
> >>>>>>> accounts
> >>>>>>> going, plus a commercial account, but nothing we could have lived
> >>> on,
> >>>>>>> paid
> >>>>>>> rent, utilities, insurance, etc.  I don't doubt you can get to that
> >>>>>>> point,
> >>>>>>> but we didn't have the money to invest to give us that kind of
> >>> start.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Lots of people get jobs working as a cashier, pizza delivery, any
> >>> low
> >>>>>>> end
> >>>>>>> job for starters, then move up, expand, save, then invest
> >>>>>>> in a home business.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It didn't take us long to discover that we needed to get our
> >>> priorities
> >>>>>>> better organized before really branching into any home business,
> >>>>>>> especially
> >>>>>>> in trying to support little ones.  At that time, Chris was working
> >>> as a
> >>>>>>> clerk for a produce house, and I was working for a center for
> >>>>>>> independent
> >>>>>>> living.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Judy
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:09 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'll put the answers after your questions below. No I don't think
> >>> it's
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> good idea just to spontaniously move to a foreign country. And any
> >>>>>>>> help
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> could give me at starting or working in some kind of home business
> >>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> helpful. Keeping in mind of course that currently my wife and I do
> >>>>>>>> live
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> small town, and we don't have any contacts. now the answers to
> >>> your
> >>>>>>>> questions.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do you have good internet skills?  Yes I have good internet
> >>> skills.
> >>>>>>>> Can
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> do research on the web?  Yes I'm good at doing research on the
> >>> web.
> >>>>>>>> What
> >>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>> you know about marketing? I know hardly anything about marketing.
> >>>>>>>> Can you set up a web site? a Pay Pal account? Yes I can set up a
> >>>>>>>> website
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> I already have a pay-pal account.
> >>>>>>>> Let me know?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> >>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>;
> >>>>>>>> <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:48 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear Josh,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Where do you get the idea that it would be better for you, as a
> >>> Blind
> >>>>>>>>> person, to live in a foreign country?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> With only maybe a few acceptions, I can not think of many
> >>> countries
> >>>>>>>>> where,
> >>>>>>>>> you, not being a natural born citizen would be able to access
> >>> public
> >>>>>>>>> services like you can here.  Especially in the countries that you
> >>>>>>>>> named.
> >>>>>>>>> If I were going to live in another country, and be blind, I would
> >>>>>>>>> maybe
> >>>>>>>>> pick
> >>>>>>>>> Spain.
> >>>>>>>>> The Spanish are perhaps the best educated in the World and have
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>> National
> >>>>>>>>> Spanish Lottery to help support themselves.
> >>>>>>>>> Barcelona is very good and you see blind people every where
> >>> there.
> >>>>>>>>> I would just caution you to not jump from the frying pan into the
> >>>>>>>>> fire
> >>>>>>>>> thinking the grass is greener in other countries because the cost
> >>> of
> >>>>>>>>> living
> >>>>>>>>> is lower.  So is unemployment and wages for the blind and
> >>> services to
> >>>>>>>>> help
> >>>>>>>>> them are nothing like you have here.
> >>>>>>>>> Sweden has socialize medicine and services for the disabled, but
> >>> even
> >>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>> demand 73% of everything you earn for taxes to support you.
> >>>>>>>>> They do have very good education there and most people in Sweden
> >>> have
> >>>>>>>>> college degrees.
> >>>>>>>>> Leaving all of your supporting family and friends could be a
> >>> misstep.
> >>>>>>>>> I would think long and hard before giving up what you have here.
> >>>>>>>>> I know that I am giving you advice here and you can take it or
> >>> leave
> >>>>>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>> I am 60 years old next month and I have been blind since the age
> >>> of
> >>>>>>>>> 16.
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> have been very lucky and I have a very good education and very
> >>> good
> >>>>>>>>> skills.
> >>>>>>>>> I have also lived, both as a Navy brat and as an engineer, in
> >>> several
> >>>>>>>>> foreign countries and I support some programs for the blind in
> >>> some
> >>>>>>>>> foreign
> >>>>>>>>> countries.
> >>>>>>>>> If you plan to leave and live abroad, you will need to have some
> >>>>>>>>> skills
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> are portable and some what in demand anywhere you go.
> >>>>>>>>> You will need some way to be sure you can support yourself and
> >>> your
> >>>>>>>>> family.
> >>>>>>>>> It would be great if you could work on the internet and find a
> >>>>>>>>> business
> >>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>> could go into that you could do from anywhere.
> >>>>>>>>> I don't know what to tell you to look for exactly, but I know
> >>> that
> >>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> go there, without having some plan might not be a good idea.
> >>>>>>>>> Let us talk some more about this idea and maybe we can come up
> >>> with
> >>>>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do you have good internet skills?  Can you do research on the
> >>> web?
> >>>>>>>>> What
> >>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>> you know about marketing?
> >>>>>>>>> Can you set up a web site? a Pay Pal account?
> >>>>>>>>> Let me know?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> David Evans, NFBF
> >>>>>>>>> Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer
> >>>>>>>>> Builder of the Lunar Rovers and F-117-A Stealth Fighter
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> To: <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
> >>>>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:36 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So then maybe it would better if my wife and I could find some
> >>> way
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>> money and move to Europe? Or maybe puerto rico or costa rica
> >>> since
> >>>>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>>> cheaper to live there and public transportation there is really
> >>>>>>>>>> good?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:47 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Small towns
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Josh,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, living in a small town can be a challenge for a blind
> >>> person.
> >>>>>>>>>>> My
> >>>>>>>>>>> sister lives in a small town in southeastern Georgia.  She
> >>>>>>>>>>> struggles
> >>>>>>>>>>> regularly with the transportation issues that exist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> However, life in the big city is not necessarily better.  Our
> >>>>>>>>>>> society
> >>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>> automobile focused.  As a result, the public transportation
> >>> systems
> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> most cities are not as good as they should be.  Yes, there is
> >>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>> opportunities for employment.  But, it is very hard to maintain
> >>>>>>>>>>> employment, if you cannot get to the job.  Just a few days ago,
> >>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>> Evans posted a note that included comments on this issue.  You
> >>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>> keep in mind that it is possible to live in a big city and
> >>> still be
> >>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>> as isolated as though you were in a small town.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I recall from one of your posts that you prefer to work from
> >>> home.
> >>>>>>>>>>> That's fine.  If you can find that type of employment.  Most
> >>>>>>>>>>> employers
> >>>>>>>>>>> are not that accommodating to their employees.  Many of my
> >>> sighted
> >>>>>>>>>>> co-workers used to work regularly from home.  Our company
> >>> merged
> >>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>> SBC and the new leadership set new rules that did away with
> >>> most
> >>>>>>>>>>> tele-commuting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Small towns do have some advantages.  I personally like being
> >>> able
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> walk wherever I wish in a small town.  You cannot do that in a
> >>>>>>>>>>> city.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Plus, big cities have crime issues that are generally far worse
> >>>>>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>>> small towns.  That is something to consider.  Especially with
> >>> small
> >>>>>>>>>>> children.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> William
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Josh
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:00 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
> >>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If my kid grows up in a small town then he will be sheltered
> >>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> rest
> >>>>>>>>>>> of the world. He'll never know what it's like to live in a
> >>> city, go
> >>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> cruze, and even live in Vienna Austria with nice public
> >>>>>>>>>>> transportation.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I do
> >>>>>>>>>>> not like small towns and believe me! as soon as my wife can,
> >>> we're
> >>>>>>>>>>> moving to
> >>>>>>>>>>> a city and we won't live in a small town again unless we have
> >>> to or
> >>>>>>>>>>> unless
> >>>>>>>>>>> there is public transportation which can take us into the city
> >>>>>>>>>>> whenever
> >>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>> want.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:41 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
> >>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JOsh,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I got a teaching job years ago in a town of about 300 in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> population.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There
> >>>>>>>>>>>> were only two towns in the county, but I loved it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The small town experience may be really good for your son, and
> >>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you'll
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be loving parents.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Judy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:34 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
> >>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi judy,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless my wife and I can move out of this town and out of
> >>>>>>>>>>> Pennsylvania
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that matter we'll be sending our kid to public school because
> >>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>> can't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere because we live in a small in-the-middle-of-nowhere
> >>> town
> >>>>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there's nothing to do. and the nearest city is a half hour or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>> drive
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> away. If LuAnn's parents, and my parents in my opinion wanted
> >>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> best for us they should have moved into a city as soon as
> >>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> knew
> >>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> blind and not allowed us to be stranded out here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> josh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Judy Jones" <nfbwatac at earthlink.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:25 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Josh,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand what you are saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a horrible time with algebra in high school, and the
> >>> field
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> study
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> went into later didn't require that skill.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've said to our kids what your dad has said to you, to help
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through, and to let them know I understood.  Nevertheless,
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is what builds character, even though it doesn't feel like
> >>> it at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, correction on the home schooling.  There are
> >>> requirements
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> district may have.  You home school by either following a
> >>>>>>>>>>> pre-defined
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> curriculum, or developing your own, but whichever way you
> >>> go,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> must
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> district/national scholastic requirements for the amounts of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> credits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> earned
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a particular subject area to move through the school
> >>> grades.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have several choices of curricula in various subject
> >>> areas,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to meet requirements set forth by your district.  You
> >>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> turning
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> records into your district on a regular basis, depending on
> >>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may need to get a release from your district to home
> >>> school,
> >>>>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just standard procedure.  But remember, there is the issue
> >>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your child's educational record.  Some districts don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> require
> >>>>>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation until your child reaches high school, but some
> >>> do.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> district doesn't even let parents handle transcripts--or
> >>> anyone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the system for that matter--since they must be delivered
> >>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scholastic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> entity straight to the district office in a sealed envelope.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, you will have the option (maybe) of going through the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluative scholastic testing that occurs throughout your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> child's
> >>>>>>>>>>> school
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> career.  Achievement tests, state testing, etc. to gauge how
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> well
> >>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> child
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> measures to the standards set.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most home schoolers seem to come out ahead since they are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-on-one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention, but you need to be organized and make sure you
> >>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>> child
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow through on all that is required.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't crucial so much in grade school as it is in
> >>> junior
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> high,
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most cases, mandatory for high school records in preparation
> >>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> college.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would strongly encourage you to seek support from local
> >>> home
> >>>>>>>>>>> schoolers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your area.  There may be an organization for home schoolers
> >>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> info
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from. There are also yearly home school conventions you can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attend
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> find
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out about curricula, texts, and lots of things that are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to contact me off list if you have questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Bonnie Ainsworth" <cedarwoman1965 at neb.rr.com>; "NFB
> >>> Talk
> >>>>>>>>>>> Mailing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> List"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:23 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The one thing I remember my dad telling me not so long ago
> >>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high school is that. I know you don't like studying this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if you do it and get it over with you'll never have to
> >>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>> study
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. I didn't like algebra in high school, so I struggled
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
> >>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barely passed it but I passed none the less and now I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it for the rest of my life. Also in college they make
> >>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general education courses along with your major. It would
> >>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efficient
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you could just skip the general education stuff and just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> study
> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> courses you went there for in the first place. For example,
> >>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spanish
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major in college and my wife was a Spanish major but the
> >>> school
> >>>>>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any accomodations for us hardly so my wife dropped the
> >>> spanish
> >>>>>>>>>>> major
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then was just an English major. Why should I have to take
> >>> an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intro
> >>>>>>>>>>> t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> math
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> class if I'm a spanish major? One of the reasons I'd like
> >>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home-school
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> children is so they could focus more on what they are good
> >>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>> learning
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to learn and less on things that may not interest
> >>> them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also,
> >>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were home-schooled then I wouldn't have to worry about
> >>> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>> teaching
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things such as sex education which is supposed to be the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parents
> >>>>>>>>>>> job.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Bonnie Ainsworth" <cedarwoman1965 at neb.rr.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] cheatingfor studentsinjunior/high
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other thing that you might consider is making the
> >>> option
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutoring
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available for your children in the future, or maybe a
> >>> little
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> study
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.  Maybe they might be interested in a subject they
> >>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>> well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheating doesn't accomplish anything.  It just makes a
> >>> person
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
> >>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy way out in life!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bonnie Ainsworth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lincoln, NE USA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aspire to inspire before you expire.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Josh" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:18 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] cheating for studentsinjunior/high
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schoolsandincollege?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh I don't think I'd go so far as to beat my kids bottoms.
> >>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine a swat if they were doing something to put their
> >>> lives in
> >>>>>>>>>>> danger.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were cheating I'd ask them why first. If they said
> >>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the subject and they tried understanding it and studying
> >>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it I'd then ask my kids if they asked their teacher
> >>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said yes and if they just don't get the subject. I'd tell
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you fail a test in an honest manner than by cheating. If
> >>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>> bad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grades
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you're not good at something or it's just not your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead, concentrate on what you're good at and don't
> >>> worry so
> >>>>>>>>>>> much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you are not good at.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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