[nfb-talk] Cash being thrust upon you...Re: Cash

Constance Canode satin-bear at sbcglobal.net
Fri Dec 15 06:14:05 CST 2006 

Right on, Alan.

John, it seems to me that there are much deeper issues for you than 
just money.  Maybe you should think about attending an NFB center to 
get not only good training, but an attitude adjustment as 
well.  Maybe if you could deal with your blindness, you might be able 
to get rid of some of this misplaced anger you have over the little 
things in life.  I read a book one time called "Don't Sweat the Small 
Stuff."  It is good advice.

Connie
At 11:18 PM 12/14/2006, you wrote:
>Oh, come on, John...the ADA has *NOTHING* to do with currency and you know
>it.  You're just fact-bending to suit your purposes...you want it your way
>and no other.  I don't particularly like the 11 people behind me in line at
>Starbucks, but you know what?  I suck it up and deal with it...and if the
>cashier can't help, I put the bills into my pocket until such time as I can
>get help.  So, please (oh please) stop your whining about this.  It's
>tiresome, irritating, and greatly reducing the pleasure I get from this
>list.  We get your agenda, we disagree with it, so deal with it...okay?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Alan Wheeler
>awheeler at neb.rr.com or alan_wheeler at neb.rr.com
>redwheel1 on skype
>http://alan-wheeler.blogspot.com/
>"Tell the people the truth and the country will be free"
>   --Abraham Lincoln
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of John Heim
>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:24 PM
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Cash being thrust upon you...Re: Cash
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:35 PM
>Subject: [nfb-talk] Cash being thrust upon you...Re: Cash
>
>
> > John,
> >
> > I'd honestly like to know what sort of transactions you experience,
> > frequently, where the money is "thrust" on you with no opportunity to
> > determine what it is?
>
>Cindy, I've already given you several examples of that. In fact, you
>responded to some messages where I did.
>
>If you haven't had a wad of bills thrust upon you by a clerk in too much of
>a hurry to voluntarily help you sort it, you must not get out much. Don't
>tell me that doesn't happen to you all the time. There's 11 people in line
>behind you at starbucks and you're making the clerk sort your money --
>that's what I'm talking about.
>
> >?You also say that you can afford a money identifier,
> > but many people can't and this isn't fair.  I've never known the
> > government
> > to be in the business of making sure that life is fair for anyone.
>
>Well, welcome to America then! Maybe you haven't heard of the civil rights
>movement? The ADA?!
>
>Holy cow, Cindy! Do you think about what you say before you say it?
>
> >
> > Cindy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Cash
> >
> >
> > I don't think I made it sound as if all money  is thrust upon me. But a
> > significant percentage of my transactions fall into that category.  And
> > although I can afford a bill identifier, lots of blind people cannot.
> >
> > It's just not fair to expect blind people to spend their own money on a
> > bill
> > identifier when it's the government's own fault that the money is the
> > same.
> > Again,  the governnment should not be deliberately offering services in
> > such
> > a way as to make it extremely difficult for a certain group to use that
> > service. That's "descriminition".
> > Admittedly, sometims discrimination can't be helped. Sometimes it's even a
> > good thing. I'm in favor of descriminating against blind airline pilots.
> >
> > But every other country in the world that issues paper money already does
> > it
> > so that blind people can tell it apart. This change is simply long, long
> > over due.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Cash
> >
> >
> >> John:
> >>
> >> You are right in the things you say below.  However, you make it
> >> sound like all money is thrust upon you with no opportunity for
> >> determining what it is.  For me, at least, this just isn't the
> >> case.  Most cahs transactions take place in public, with other people
> >> watching.  Most clerks and the limke presort the money, and count it
> >> out to you.  If they don't you can and should ask the too.  It is in
> >> their interest, as well as yours.
> >>
> >> With some planning and forethought a blind person can handle money
> >> throughout the day.  You sound like a successful person, buy a money
> >> identifier (not from the NFB of course,) and identify any bills you
> >> loose track of during the day when you get back to your hotel at night.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> At 08:03 AM 12/14/2006, you wrote:
> >>>I know all that. I know how to sort money. But stuff happens.
> >>>
> >>>have you ever *really* been on a business trip? What happened in the case
> >>>I
> >>>was telling you about was that I ended up staying in New Yourk a week
> >>>longer
> >>>than I expected. My boss called me and sent me to a second job since I
> >>>was
> >>>already out there.  I expected to be there for 4 days and ended up
> >>>staying
> >>>about 10.
> >>>
> >>>Come on, people! This is what real life is like. This is what sighted
> >>>people
> >>>do every single day. This is how you get to be a big shot. When the boss
> >>>calls, you step up to the plate.
> >>>
> >>>Originally, I had trouble convincing my boss that she should send me out
> >>>on
> >>>these jobs just like anybody else. But by delivering time after time, I
> >>>got
> >>>to the point where she never gave it a second thought.  The NFB is making
> >>>it
> >>>harder for people like me to deliver in the clutch.
> >>>
> >>>I'm not sure you folks realize how important this is. If you're out in
> >>>the
> >>>real world competing with other people you can't be screwing up.  A
> >>>promotion may depend on your ability to make that flight. You miss it,
> >>>and
> >>>that will absolutely give the impression that you're a helpless blind
> >>>person.
> >>>
> >>>If you're with a customer and they see you asking the street vendor to
> >>>sort
> >>>your money, that gives the impression that you're a helpless blind
> >>>person.
> >>>Being able to throw $5 at the street vendor for a hotdog gives the
> >>>impression that you're just like anybody else.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
> >>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:41 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Cash
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > John Heim;
> >>> > Do you sourt your money.  That issue about the hotdog and ski cap you
> >>> > could have solved by carrying smaller bills.  When going on a trip you
> >>> > need to plan for things like that.  I limit my bills and use 1,5,10
> >>> > and
> >>> > 20.  I use different sections for each kind of bill.  I usually fold
> >>> > them also.  When going on a trip like that you need some ones, some
> >>> > fives and what ever else you want to use.  This way you will not have
> >>> > to
> >>> > pull out a large bill for a small purchase and will not get a lump of
> >>> > cash that you can not identify.
> >>> > Also, in some cases, you can request specific bills as your change.
> >>> >
> >>> > Terry Powers
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: John Heim [mailto:jheim at math.wisc.edu]
> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:28 AM
> >>> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Cash
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> On the other hand, with respect to cash transactions, the blind
> >>> >> handle
> >>> >
> >>> >> their
> >>> >> currency and have always done so with very little difficulty. So we
> >>> >> of
> >>> > NFB
> >>> >
> >>> > That is simply not true. Or at least it's no more true than it is for
> >>> > the
> >>> > web.  I browse the web every single day. I make my living using the
> >>> > web.
> >>> >
> >>> > In fact, I need help handling money far, far more often than I need
> >>> > help
> >>> >
> >>> > with web pages. EVERY single transaction requires me to get help with
> >>> > my
> >>> >
> >>> > cash. Every single one.  I almost never need help with the web. In
> >>> > fact,
> >>> > I
> >>> > am more often helping people than the other way around .
> >>> >
> >>> > Also, there is an apparent conflict of interest here. The NFB is now
> >>> > selling
> >>> > the very gismos that they claim blind people can use to sort their
> >>> > money.
> >>> > That may not be the reason they took their stance but it looks bad.
> >>> >
> >>> > Another thing that makes no sense is the aargument that changing the
> >>> > money
> >>> > will make it harder for blind people to get jobs because it gives
> >>> > people
> >>> > the
> >>> > idea that blind people can't handle money. But you can't give people
> >>> > an
> >>> > idea
> >>> > they already have. It's ridiculous to say that it will be harder for
> >>> > blind
> >>> > people to get jobs if the money is changed. Try getting a job handling
> >>> > money
> >>> > today. What do you think your odds are. About zero. Changing the money
> >>> > might
> >>> > not improve the odds much but it sure ain't gonna hurt.
> >>> >
> >>> > Changing the money will make it far, far easier for blind people to do
> >>> > their
> >>> > jobs. Any job involving travel will be made far easier. I was in
> >>> > Brooklyn
> >>> > once. I was running late so I bought a hotdog from a street vendor,
> >>> > jumped
> >>> > in a cab to the airport, tipped a skycap  who helped me get to the
> >>> > gate.
> >>> > All
> >>> > those transactions were conducted in cash. I want to be able to reach
> >>> > into
> >>> > my pocket and pull out the $5 that the cabbie gave me and hand it to
> >>> > the
> >>> >
> >>> > skycap. You want to talk about making a bad impression, try asking a
> >>> > skycap
> >>> > to sort your money so you can figure out his tip. That looks pathetic.
> >>> >
> >>> > When I'm handed a wad of bills after  buying a beer at a football
> >>> > game,
> >>> > I
> >>> > want to be able to count it MYSELF and say, "Um, pardon me, I think
> >>> > you
> >>> > made
> >>> > a mistake here." How in the world can the NFB stand in the way of
> >>> > that?
> >>> >
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