[nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know

Fri Aug 11 15:15:30 CDT 2006

Mike,

I don't think he has an individualized plan for employment.  He wouldn't 
have time to be employed and write all his nasty messages to our lists.

Cindy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know

If you can convince your rehab counselor to include it in your
Individualized Plan for Employment -- you have one, right? -- then you
can certainly get the Reader at rehab expense.

Mike

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, joe harcz wrote:

> Also can I get this KNFB Reader funded through vendor approved programs 
> with
> my local commission for the blind?
>
> In brief is it federally funded for those of us who cannot afford it with
> our own money?
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>
>
>> Joe:
>>
>> This, like many of your assertions is not true, and is made for
>> political, not legitimate reasons.  One beta test site is Minnesota
>> State Services for the "Blind, where six different people, sighted
>> and blind have used it -- only one of whom is a NFB member.  I also
>> know that Kim Charleson, of the Perkins School, is a beta tester, and
>> she is a prominent ACB member, and I would guess there are
>> others.  Secondly, people on the closed beta listserv can tell you
>> that no punches were pulled.  People were as thorough, and critical
>> as any group of beta testers I have seen.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 08:01 AM 8/11/2006, you wrote:
>>> Again thank you for your answer. One issue that I have with the beta
>>> testing
>>> as far as I understand it is that all of them, by press release accounts
>>> and
>>> other sources are NFB members. Thus objectivity comes into play here.
>>>
>>> In other words the pool is not objective and there are built in 
>>> conflicts
>>> of
>>> interest.
>>>
>>> This said it would also be a biased pool if only ACB members were beta
>>> testers.
>>>
>>> I do not wish for my words to be misunderstood here. I would think that
>>> having some but not ALL beta testers of a product be from NFB.
>>>
>>> This said and getting back to yur illustration of the wine bottles were
>>> they
>>> a conventional font or a non-conventional font?
>>>
>>> And did you "read" them in the round so to speak or did you peel the 
>>> label
>>> off to "read" them?
>>>
>>> Again I thank you in advance for your reply.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>
>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> Since this seems like an honest question, I will add that this is not
>>>> at
>>>> all a final product yet.  It is a product that is worth
>>>> buying if one has the money, but the research will continue into ways
>>>> of
>>>> improving it.  I have managed for example, to
>>>> read a number of different wine bottles with the labels still on the
>>>> bottle.  While I suspect that your use of the term
>>>> "priveleged" was not complimentary, I do feel lucky to have been able
>>>> to
>>>> test this machine, but there were something
>>>> like four or five hundred testers, one of the biggest test groups ever
>>>> in
>>>> such products.  I believe that eventually this
>>>> device or something like it will do much of what Ray Kurzweil has
>>>> predicted.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:44:03 -0400, joe harcz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you sir for ansering a direct question.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm eternally grayteful for that.
>>>>
>>>>> Very Best,
>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <lras at sprynet.com>
>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> My wife is one of the beta testers for the reader; I end up using it
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> than she does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cursive writing is out of the question for all OCR, except when the
>>>>>> handwriting is done by someone drawing in a specified style with a
>>>>>> touch
>>>>>> pen.  Not something the K-NFB Reader can handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some folks have reported success in reading labels on cans.  Since
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> camera is supposed to be more than a foot away from the print, the
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the print surface is not flat is not as important as it would be for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> conventional scanner.  It can tolerate quite a bit of skew.  It
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> currently do light print on a darker background.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of my recent successes was identifying a box of sudifed tablets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
>>>>>> Home:  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>>>>> Work:  http://www.loc.gov/nls
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of joe harcz
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regardless though can anyone tell me if one can read cursive entries
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> IRS
>>>>>>> forms or other such items from NFB, ACB or the CIA for that matter
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> KNFB Reader?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can I read a Campbell's Soup label or other similar logos in the
>>>>>>> round?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A simple yes or no will suffice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not among the privileged class who has had a hands on
>>>>>>> demonstration
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> who has been able to beta test this thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sure as heck cannot afford it without testing it for such things
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> quite pricey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I sure as heck wish to know what it will do prior to making any
>>>>>>> substantial investment like this would certainly be for anyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
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