[nfb-talk] can I post a letter that can help people that need pres help

Fri Aug 11 13:39:06 CDT 2006

No, that sounds off topic for this list.

Dave

At 09:50 AM 8/11/2006, you wrote:
>Can I post a brochure that can help people that have prescription problems
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of joe harcz
>Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:17 AM
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>
>Again thanks Dave. I note that ou notefd that the list serve related to Beta
>
>testing was closed her.\
>
>Are there means and methods of "opening up" that process?
>
>Also I'm wondering out loud how the $3,5000 figre for purchase of the KNFB
>Reader was derived?
>
>It does appear to be at first blush a bit pricey to me, but it may well be
>worth it.
>
>I simply don't know what went into this federally funded product so again I
>thank you for any insights into the matter.
>
>Joe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>
>
> > Joe:
> >
> > This, like many of your assertions is not true, and is made for
> > political, not legitimate reasons.  One beta test site is Minnesota
> > State Services for the "Blind, where six different people, sighted
> > and blind have used it -- only one of whom is a NFB member.  I also
> > know that Kim Charleson, of the Perkins School, is a beta tester, and
> > she is a prominent ACB member, and I would guess there are
> > others.  Secondly, people on the closed beta listserv can tell you
> > that no punches were pulled.  People were as thorough, and critical
> > as any group of beta testers I have seen.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 08:01 AM 8/11/2006, you wrote:
> >>Again thank you for your answer. One issue that I have with the beta
> >>testing
> >>as far as I understand it is that all of them, by press release accounts
> >>and
> >>other sources are NFB members. Thus objectivity comes into play here.
> >>
> >>In other words the pool is not objective and there are built in conflicts
> >>of
> >>interest.
> >>
> >>This said it would also be a biased pool if only ACB members were beta
> >>testers.
> >>
> >>I do not wish for my words to be misunderstood here. I would think that
> >>having some but not ALL beta testers of a product be from NFB.
> >>
> >>This said and getting back to yur illustration of the wine bottles were
> >>they
> >>a conventional font or a non-conventional font?
> >>
> >>And did you "read" them in the round so to speak or did you peel the label
> >>off to "read" them?
> >>
> >>Again I thank you in advance for your reply.
> >>
> >>Joe
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> >>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:19 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
> >>
> >>
> >> > Joe,
> >> >
> >> > Since this seems like an honest question, I will add that this is not
> >> > at
> >> > all a final product yet.  It is a product that is worth
> >> > buying if one has the money, but the research will continue into ways
> >> > of
> >> > improving it.  I have managed for example, to
> >> > read a number of different wine bottles with the labels still on the
> >> > bottle.  While I suspect that your use of the term
> >> > "priveleged" was not complimentary, I do feel lucky to have been able
> >> > to
> >> > test this machine, but there were something
> >> > like four or five hundred testers, one of the biggest test groups ever
> >> > in
> >> > such products.  I believe that eventually this
> >> > device or something like it will do much of what Ray Kurzweil has
> >> > predicted.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:44:03 -0400, joe harcz wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Thank you sir for ansering a direct question.
> >> >
> >> >>I'm eternally grayteful for that.
> >> >
> >> >>Very Best,
> >> >
> >> >>Joe
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <lras at sprynet.com>
> >> >>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:29 PM
> >> >>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>> My wife is one of the beta testers for the reader; I end up using it
> >> >>> more
> >> >>> than she does.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Cursive writing is out of the question for all OCR, except when the
> >> >>> handwriting is done by someone drawing in a specified style with a
> >> >>> touch
> >> >>> pen.  Not something the K-NFB Reader can handle.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Some folks have reported success in reading labels on cans.  Since
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> camera is supposed to be more than a foot away from the print, the
> >> >>> fact
> >> >>> that
> >> >>> the print surface is not flat is not as important as it would be for
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> conventional scanner.  It can tolerate quite a bit of skew.  It
> >> >>> doesn't
> >> >>> currently do light print on a darker background.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> One of my recent successes was identifying a box of sudifed tablets.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
> >> >>> Home:  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> >> >>> Work:  http://www.loc.gov/nls
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> >>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> >>>> On
> >> >>>> Behalf Of joe harcz
> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:44 PM
> >> >>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Regardless though can anyone tell me if one can read cursive entries
>
> >> >>>> on
> >> >>>> IRS
> >> >>>> forms or other such items from NFB, ACB or the CIA for that matter
> >> >>>> with
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> KNFB Reader?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Can I read a Campbell's Soup label or other similar logos in the
> >> >>>> round?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> A simple yes or no will suffice.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I am not among the privileged class who has had a hands on
> >> >>>> demonstration
> >> >>>> or
> >> >>>> who has been able to beta test this thing.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I sure as heck cannot afford it without testing it for such things
> >> >>>> as
> >> >>>> it
> >> >>>> is
> >> >>>> quite pricey.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> And I sure as heck wish to know what it will do prior to making any
> >> >>>> substantial investment like this would certainly be for anyone.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
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