[nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know

Fri Aug 11 12:21:12 CDT 2006

Again, if the person can convince their independent living program to 
get them the Reader, I see no reason why not. IMO that may be a tough 
sell, though, as the funds aren't quite as copious as Section 110 money 
aand, in most states, are divied up among a bunch of independent living 
contractors.

Mike

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, joe harcz wrote:

> Thanks Mike this is helpful.
>
> Now I noted that in the original appeal for fed funding that Mr. Gashel
> allude to those who are legally blind or visually impaired and who are
> seniors.
>
> So my new question is: can those not in the e employment llop get fundng for
> this product?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>
>
>> If you can convince your rehab counselor to include it in your
>> Individualized Plan for Employment -- you have one, right? -- then you
>> can certainly get the Reader at rehab expense.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, joe harcz wrote:
>>
>>> Also can I get this KNFB Reader funded through vendor approved programs
>>> with
>>> my local commission for the blind?
>>>
>>> In brief is it federally funded for those of us who cannot afford it with
>>> our own money?
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>
>>>
>>>> Joe:
>>>>
>>>> This, like many of your assertions is not true, and is made for
>>>> political, not legitimate reasons.  One beta test site is Minnesota
>>>> State Services for the "Blind, where six different people, sighted
>>>> and blind have used it -- only one of whom is a NFB member.  I also
>>>> know that Kim Charleson, of the Perkins School, is a beta tester, and
>>>> she is a prominent ACB member, and I would guess there are
>>>> others.  Secondly, people on the closed beta listserv can tell you
>>>> that no punches were pulled.  People were as thorough, and critical
>>>> as any group of beta testers I have seen.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 08:01 AM 8/11/2006, you wrote:
>>>>> Again thank you for your answer. One issue that I have with the beta
>>>>> testing
>>>>> as far as I understand it is that all of them, by press release
>>>>> accounts
>>>>> and
>>>>> other sources are NFB members. Thus objectivity comes into play here.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words the pool is not objective and there are built in
>>>>> conflicts
>>>>> of
>>>>> interest.
>>>>>
>>>>> This said it would also be a biased pool if only ACB members were beta
>>>>> testers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not wish for my words to be misunderstood here. I would think that
>>>>> having some but not ALL beta testers of a product be from NFB.
>>>>>
>>>>> This said and getting back to yur illustration of the wine bottles were
>>>>> they
>>>>> a conventional font or a non-conventional font?
>>>>>
>>>>> And did you "read" them in the round so to speak or did you peel the
>>>>> label
>>>>> off to "read" them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Again I thank you in advance for your reply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since this seems like an honest question, I will add that this is not
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> all a final product yet.  It is a product that is worth
>>>>>> buying if one has the money, but the research will continue into ways
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> improving it.  I have managed for example, to
>>>>>> read a number of different wine bottles with the labels still on the
>>>>>> bottle.  While I suspect that your use of the term
>>>>>> "priveleged" was not complimentary, I do feel lucky to have been able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> test this machine, but there were something
>>>>>> like four or five hundred testers, one of the biggest test groups ever
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> such products.  I believe that eventually this
>>>>>> device or something like it will do much of what Ray Kurzweil has
>>>>>> predicted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:44:03 -0400, joe harcz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you sir for ansering a direct question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm eternally grayteful for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <lras at sprynet.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:29 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My wife is one of the beta testers for the reader; I end up using it
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> than she does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cursive writing is out of the question for all OCR, except when the
>>>>>>>> handwriting is done by someone drawing in a specified style with a
>>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>>> pen.  Not something the K-NFB Reader can handle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some folks have reported success in reading labels on cans.  Since
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> camera is supposed to be more than a foot away from the print, the
>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the print surface is not flat is not as important as it would be for
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> conventional scanner.  It can tolerate quite a bit of skew.  It
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> currently do light print on a darker background.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of my recent successes was identifying a box of sudifed tablets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
>>>>>>>> Home:  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>>>>>>> Work:  http://www.loc.gov/nls
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of joe harcz
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:44 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regardless though can anyone tell me if one can read cursive
>>>>>>>>> entries
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> IRS
>>>>>>>>> forms or other such items from NFB, ACB or the CIA for that matter
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> KNFB Reader?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can I read a Campbell's Soup label or other similar logos in the
>>>>>>>>> round?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A simple yes or no will suffice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not among the privileged class who has had a hands on
>>>>>>>>> demonstration
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> who has been able to beta test this thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I sure as heck cannot afford it without testing it for such things
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> quite pricey.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I sure as heck wish to know what it will do prior to making any
>>>>>>>>> substantial investment like this would certainly be for anyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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