[nfb-talk] Accessible forms

Fri Aug 11 11:12:13 CDT 2006

Mr. Hartz,
If the government puts this out in Braille the NFB or ACB should simply be 
able to give you the contact information to get this done through the 
government.   It would be rather redundant for some one in either 
organization to Braille these things if that is done else where.

That is really the answer to your problem.   If you are saying that you feel 
the organizations should actually do the Braille themselves than I suggest 
you write your congressman.   Since it is available to the blind online I do 
think if you want it in Braille done by someone at the NFB you should 
personally pay for that person;s time just as you would a reader to help you 
with your bills.

Donna

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joe harcz" <michiganadapt at peoplepc.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Accessible forms

> Hi,
>
> Note the obligation of the entity to provide accessible infromation. Also
> note that on venues like guidestar the 990s are not accessible as they are
> image based files in a pdf envelope. And their cursive and other entries
> again are not accessible even if scanned.
>
> On another note I do really appreciate your insights into the KNFB reader.
>
> Thanks for them.
> Joe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "H. Field" <missheather at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 1:10 AM
> Subject: [nfb-talk] Accessible forms
>
>
>> Joe,
>> I have a genuine question for you.
>> If it is available online and you have screen-reading software, then it 
>> is
>> already accessible. Why are you acting like it is someone else's
>> responsibility to braille something for you and send it to you?
>> As I see it, there is a difference between saying someone should make
>> something accessible and saying that they should braille it out and send
>> it to you. Why is it anyone's responsibility to braille something out and
>> send it to you if it is available online for you to download and read 
>> with
>> your screen-reading software?
>> Please clarify this point for me.
>> As to your question regarding the KNFB reader, yes, it can read print
>> forms very well.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Heather Field
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "joe harcz" <michiganadapt at peoplepc.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>
>>
>> Again did you se it?
>>
>> Ain't a matter if they are accessible to the sighted, which they are. Its
>> a
>> matter that they are made accessible to those of us who happen to be
>> blind.
>>
>> Joe
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> Your so smart, why don't you go and get it where everyone else gets it.
>>>>From the IRS web site.
>>> 990 forms are available over the internet for all non-profits.
>>> I sat in a bank president's office, who was also the head of a family
>>> foundation, where I was seeking a grant for my chapter, and he looked up
>>> everything on line.
>>> He saw our 501-(C)(3), our 990 form and our tax exemption status.
>>> If he can find it, then you can too.
>>> Don't ask us to load the gun your trying to shoot us with.
>>> Go bury yourself with some flower seeds.  that way something good will
>>> come
>>> from you.
>>>
>>> David Evans
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "joe harcz" <michiganadapt at peoplepc.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>
>>>
>>>> OK I'll bite how does a body get an organization to make its lawfully
>>>> requested information accessible including IRS Forms 990? Note I asked
>>>> this
>>>> of the federally funded organization In the case the NFB.
>>>>
>>>> Cannot they do it with all of its resources and expertise?
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be a positive message for NFB to do this simple thing if 
>>>> you
>>>> truly consider positive actions over positive talk?
>>>>
>>>> Ditto, BTW goes to ACB.
>>>>
>>>> How hard is it for either group that operpetedly fights for our rights
>>>> and
>>>> receives funding for same to comply with its own standards of
>>>> compliance?
>>>>
>>>> So rather than character assassination or other diversions wouldn't it
>>>> be
>>>> great if say NFB simply remitted the requested information in 
>>>> accessible
>>>> format as requested?
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't that be a positive thing?
>>>>
>>>> Wow, now that I'm thinking of it wouldn't that be  a great example for
>>>> the
>>>> rest of the world and indeed the rest of the blindness community?
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
>>>> To: <cedarwoman1965 at neb.rr.com>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bonnie!
>>>>> I wish we could talk about more productive topics. For example: I am
>>>>> having some difficulty doing research. I have a Pac Mate and some 
>>>>> times
>>>>> when I am on the internet I get kicked back to the today screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also enjoy learning what people know about the technology and how to
>>>>> use
>>>>> it. We all have valuable information that we can share.
>>>>>
>>>>> Twenty-some years ago this technology, Web Braille, Blind friendly
>>>>> Computers and a host of other useful tools were not available. The
>>>>> younger
>>>>> generation has the world in their hands so to speak. It is exciting to
>>>>> observe. Who knows maybe someday we will have a blind Einstein.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lets think on the positive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Smile
>>>>> Hope
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> .From: "Bonnie Ainsworth"<cedarwoman1965 at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> .Sent: 8/10/06 1:58:09 PM
>>>>> .To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>>> .
>>>>> .Hope,
>>>>> .
>>>>> .Don't pay him any mind.  He's only here to stir up the pot.  You can
>>>>> block
>>>>> .him.  Don't give him the satisfaction of getting you worked up.
>>>>> *SMILE*
>>>>> .
>>>>> .----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> .From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
>>>>> .To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> .Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM
>>>>> .Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] oops only the blind don't know
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .This is getting to be to much. You are harassing us and you need to
>>>>> stop!
>>>>> .
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