[nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB

T. Joseph Carter tjcarter at bluecherry.net
Thu Aug 10 07:10:52 CDT 2006 

Joe,

It has been stated already that there is nothing that prevents a member of
the ACB from joining the NFB, aside from that both organizations' stand on
most of the major issues place them in a direct conflict of interest that
would prevent them from taking part in the governance of the organization.

As for your continued presence on the list..  If you are removed from the
list, again, it will not be because you're blind, or even because you have
some problem with the way the NFB does things.  The ADA promises you won't
be excluded on the basis of a disability.  It said nothing about being
excluded on the basis of being a disruptive hate-spewing moron.


On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 11:56:55PM -0400, joe harcz wrote:
> This only goes to NFB's now known obligations under Title  III of the ADA 
> let alone those under Section 504 of the Rehab Act of 1973. You're 
> philosophy does'tn trump the laws of this land which
> 
>  you've and others have been informed of for years so ignorance of law does 
> not exist.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Harcz
> 
> Sec.36.205 Association.
> 
> 
> 
> A public accommodation shall not exclude or otherwise deny equal goods, 
> services, facilities, privileges, advantages, accommodations, or other 
> opportunities
> 
> to an individual or entity because of the known disability of an individual 
> with whom the individual or entity is known to have a     relationship or 
> association.
> 
> 
> 
> Sec.36.206 Retaliation or coercion.
> 
> 
> 
> (a) No private or public entity shall discriminate against any individual 
> because that individual has opposed any act or practice made unlawful by 
> this
> 
> part, or because that individual made a charge, testified, assisted, or 
> participated in any manner in an investigation, proceeding, or hearing under 
> the
> 
> Act or this part.
> 
> 
> 
> (b) No private or public entity shall coerce, intimidate, threaten, or 
> interfere with any individual in the exercise or enjoyment of, or on account 
> of his
> 
> or her having exercised or enjoyed, or on account of his or her having aided 
> or encouraged any other individual in the exercise or enjoyment of, any 
> right
> 
> granted or protected by the Act or this part.
> 
> 
> 
> (c) Illustrations of conduct prohibited by this section include, but are not 
> limited to:
> 
> 
> 
> (1) Coercing an individual to deny or limit the benefits, services, or 
> advantages to which he or she is entitled under the Act or this part;
> 
> 
> 
> (2) Threatening, intimidating, or interfering with an individual with a 
> disability who is seeking to obtain or use the goods, services, facilities, 
> privileges,
> 
> advantages, or accommodations of a public accommodation;
> 
> 
> 
> (3) Intimidating or threatening any person because that person is assisting 
> or encouraging an individual or group entitled to claim the rights granted 
> or
> 
> protected by the Act or this part to exercise those rights; or
> 
> 
> 
> (4) Retaliating against any person because that person has participated in 
> any investigation or action to enforce the Act or this part.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
> 
> 
> >
> > Dear Joe,
> >
> > Yes, e-mail list are still able to police their list.
> > You can be thrown off a list or out of an organization just the same as if
> > you go into a public store and pick a fight or become nasty or routty. 
> > you
> > can be asked to leave and even taken in tow by the police and forced to
> > leave.
> > The same goes for our list serves.  We invite the Public to be apart of
> > them, but if you mis-behave we can ask you to leave or even toss you out 
> > on
> > your keyboard.
> > Just play nice in the sand box and don't throw sand and we can talk.
> > I am sure you can be reasonable if you want.
> > I would rather get to know , and see, that side of you than some angery
> > little boy.
> > I would rather look for places where we have things in common than things
> > that will pull us apart.  How about you?  Don't you think that this is a
> > better idea than trading insults and jabs.
> > As my generation was fond of saying.  Let's make peace, not War.  Live and
> > let live.
> >
> > David Evans, NFBF
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
> >
> >
> >> Not to e-mail lists, though.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "joe harcz" <michiganadapt at peoplepc.com>
> >> To: <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
> >> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:12 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
> >>
> >>
> >>> NFB received more than $3.5 million from the Institute of Libraries and
> >>> Museums for starting up Newsline alone. Several million in Federal 
> >>> grants
> >>> that I've monitored from the Department of Ed. $500,000 from Housing and
> >>> Urban Development for the "Jernigan Institute". And in fact millions 
> >>> more
> >>> in
> >>> federal funding. That makes it, AAF, the Tenbroek Fund all recipients of
> >>> federal funds in the clear meaning of Section 504.
> >>>
> >>> Thus 504 is applicable.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
> >>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:30 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Joe,
> >>>>
> >>>> First, NFB does not receive Federal funding as you are thinking about
> >>>> it.  NFB may receive Federal grant money on occasion.  That money I am
> >>>> sure is used as the rules associated with receipt of the grant.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for throwing people off of NFB list, you are confusing 
> >>>> organizations.
> >>>> We tolerate far more than your friends.  Is that why you are back?  Did
> >>>> ACB throw you off their lists again?
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are here to engage in constructive dialog, then welcome.
> >>>> Otherwise, please spare us.  We have better things to do.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> William
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>> On Behalf Of joe harcz
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:08 PM
> >>>> To: lras at sprynet.com; NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
> >>>>
> >>>> iS nfb WILLING TO FOREGOE FEDERAL FUNDING? hARDLY, AND THUS THEY MUST
> >>>> COMPLY
> >>>> WITH DUEL MEMBERSHIP.
> >>>>
> >>>> aND THEY CANNOT BUMP ME FROM THESE LIST SERVES EITHER LEGALLY!
> >>>>
> >>>> jOE
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>> From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <lras at sprynet.com>
> >>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:02 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I would take this question up with your state president in Arizona.  It
> >>>>> would depend on what this person did or continues to do in support of
> >>>> the
> >>>>> ACB, particularly regarding areas where the NFB and ACB don't agree on
> >>>> the
> >>>>> national or local level.  We have our policy against dual memberships,
> >>>> and
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> believe it is a sound policy.  On the other hand, we need to be a
> >>>>> welcoming
> >>>>> organization, not treating everybody with suspicion.  The important
> >>>> thing
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> that we have a huge amount of work in front of us to change what it
> >>>> means
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> be blind.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
> >>>>> Home:  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> >>>>> Work:  http://www.loc.gov/nls
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>> Behalf Of S Farwaneh
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:51 PM
> >>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have a question about how to best accommodate active ACB members
> >>>> who
> >>>>>> try
> >>>>>> to join the NFB. My understanding is that NFB policies prohibit
> >>>> ACB/NFB
> >>>>>> dual membership. We have an ACB member in our midst who was informed
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>> the policy, whereupon she denied her affiliation with ACB. We have
> >>>>>> philosophical differences concerning this issue: Some members believe
> >>>>
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> we should take her word for it and allow her to participate fully in
> >>>> NFB
> >>>>>> activities in the hopes that she will ultimately become a functional
> >>>>>> member; others request that her terminated affiliation with ACB be
> >>>>>> verified
> >>>>>> to  ensure that our chapters are not infiltrated by ACB members who
> >>>>>> believe
> >>>>>> that their mission is to 'reform' the NFB.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I wonder if you have a similar experience to report, and what the
> >>>> best
> >>>>>> strategy is to expand our membership without jeopardizing our
> >>>> philosophy
> >>>>>> and policies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Samira Farwaneh
> >>>>>> Tucson Chapter, NFBA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Samira Farwaneh
> >>>>>> Assistant Professor, Arabic Language and Linguistics
> >>>>>> Department of Near Eastern Studies
> >>>>>> Department of Linguistics
> >>>>>> Second Language Acquisition and Teaching Program
> >>>>>> Louise Foucar Marshall Building
> >>>>>> 845 N Park Avenue, Room 440
> >>>>>> PO BOX 210158B
> >>>>>> University of Arizona
> >>>>>> Tucson, Arizona  85721-0158B
> >>>>>> Phone: (520) 621-8629 Or 621-8012
> >>>>>> Fax: (520) 621-2333
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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