[nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
joe harcz
michiganadapt at peoplepc.com
Mon Aug 7 07:09:21 CDT 2006
Totally untrue.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
> Actually, It was for an email that contained all kinds of swearing.
>
>
> William
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of joe harcz
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:09 AM
> To: Joe Orozco; NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>
> Been done for months. And don't you ever sleep?
>
> I'm going to do so right now.
>
> But the last time I was taken off this list was when I forwarded Mark
> Maurer's comments vis a vis the Ruth Martin letter and the Fair Labor
> Standard's Act case against NFB
>
> Nothing of course has enterred to this list about either NFB or ACB
> lack of
> ADA/504 compliance with my numerous and documented requests for IRS 990s
> in
> accessible formats and other related items that are of public record on
> other lists and with the US Department of Justice.
>
> Your innuendo and diversions don't negate the facts in law, fact or
> equity,
> Sir.
>
> Joe Harcz
>
> Not to be confused with Joe Orosco in the least.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>
>
>> So, can we live up to our censored reputation and take Joe Harcz
> off
>> this list-serv? Don't know, just saying.
>>
>> Amusingly,
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not
> like
>> you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you. Encourage me, and I will
> not
>> forget you."--William Arthur Ward
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "joe harcz" <michiganadapt at peoplepc.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> ent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>
>>
>>> If you aren't too dumb to research it then research it.
>>>
>>> That is Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973.
>>>
>>> I'd cite the exact USC but would't wish to offend you.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>>
>>>
>>>> There was no reason to respond in this way! There was no need to
> respond
>>>> with that kind of message! How do YOU know if blind know all about
>>>> Section
>>>> 504 or the Civil Rights Act? If you are visually impaired, and
> demeaning
>>>> other blind, SHAME ON YOU! You accuse us of being TOO DUMB to
> research
>>>> Section 504 or the Civil Rights Act. Again, SHAME ON YOU!
>>>>
>>>> (signed) Annoyed!! Hope and Karl Hein
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of joe harcz
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:38 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>>>
>>>> what A LOVELY AND MOST GOOFY RESPONSE.
>>>>
>>>> thanks I'm SURE IT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MINDSET OF BOTH
>>>> ORGANIZATIONS
>>>> OF THE BLIND. I'm MORE CERTAIN THAT nfb IN PARTICULAR PLACES ITS
>>>> PHILOSOPHY
>>>> OVER ESTABLISHED FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS INCLUDING section 504 OF THE
>>>> rehabilitation act OF 1973. iT IS APPLICABLE IF YOU ALL RECEIVE
> FEDERAL
>>>> FUNDS AND YOU ALL DO VIS A VIS nEWSLINE, kfb rEADER AND SO ON AND SO
>>>> FORTH.
>>>>
>>>> in OTHER WORDS ALL IF YOU ACCEPT FEDERAL FUNDS YOU ALL MUST A BIDE
> BY
>>>> FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS RULES OR FOREGOES THOSE FUNDS AND YOU IN nfb
> HAVE
>>>> NOT
>>>> DONE SO.
>>>>
>>>> but I'm WASTING MY WORDS UPON THOSE WHO JUST DON'T FOLLOW THOSE
> RULES
>>>> AND
>>>> THOSE WHO THINK ONLY IN PLATITUDES.
>>>>
>>>> mind YOU TO BE FAIR THE BULK OF acb ARE ALSO BRAINWASHED FOLKS WHO
>>>> WOULDN'T
>>>> KNOW CIVIL RIGHTS IF THEY BIT THEM ON THEIR SORRY BEHINDS!
>>>>
>>>> aND NO, THE TERM "BEHIND" IS NOT PORNOGRAPHIC. iT MEANS THAT YOU AND
>>>> OTHERS
>>>> ARE BEHIND THE TIMES.
>>>>
>>>> bUT i PRE-EMPT...
>>>>
>>>> sIGH...
>>>>
>>>> jOE
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:14 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They can if you become a nuisance, or spew obscenities and hate
> speech.
>>>>> Now, mind you, I didn't say you *HAVE* done that, but if you ever
> did,
>>>>> then
>>>>> they would have every right to keep you off the list serve at their
>>>>> discretion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why I say this, so I am clear that I am not singling you out is,
> for
>>>>> example, if a person got on here and wrote sexually explicit
> messages,
>>>>> or
>>>>> talked about killing federationists in gas chambers, or some such
>>>>> thing,
>>>>> the
>>>>> list owners would have every right to block that person from the
> list
>>>>> serve.
>>>>> That said, however, who they block is at their discretion, so if
> you're
>>>>> not
>>>>> as bad as the examples I cited above, and yet, disrupt the function
> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> list, then they *STILL* have the right.
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't all about legalities. To me it's about keeping an even
>>>>> keel...a
>>>>> smoothly flowing community and not a divisive one going on the
> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Granted, I've seen divisiveness get cut a bit too much slack on
> this
>>>>> list
>>>>> (and I'm not aiming at specific targets here, either), but again,
> list
>>>>> owner
>>>>> discretion. *SMILE*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "joe harcz" <michiganadapt at peoplepc.com>
>>>>> To: <lras at sprynet.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> iS nfb WILLING TO FOREGOE FEDERAL FUNDING? hARDLY, AND THUS THEY
> MUST
>>>>>> COMPLY
>>>>>> WITH DUEL MEMBERSHIP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> aND THEY CANNOT BUMP ME FROM THESE LIST SERVES EITHER LEGALLY!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jOE
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <lras at sprynet.com>
>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:02 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would take this question up with your state president in
> Arizona.
>>>>>>>It
>>>>>>> would depend on what this person did or continues to do in
> support of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ACB, particularly regarding areas where the NFB and ACB don't
> agree
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> national or local level. We have our policy against dual
>>>>>>> memberships,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> believe it is a sound policy. On the other hand, we need to be a
>>>>>>> welcoming
>>>>>>> organization, not treating everybody with suspicion. The
> important
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> that we have a huge amount of work in front of us to change what
> it
>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
>>>>>>> Home: http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>>>>>> Work: http://www.loc.gov/nls
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of S Farwaneh
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:51 PM
>>>>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a question about how to best accommodate active ACB
> members
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>> to join the NFB. My understanding is that NFB policies prohibit
>>>>>>>> ACB/NFB
>>>>>>>> dual membership. We have an ACB member in our midst who was
> informed
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> the policy, whereupon she denied her affiliation with ACB. We
> have
>>>>>>>> philosophical differences concerning this issue: Some members
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> we should take her word for it and allow her to participate
> fully in
>>>>>>>> NFB
>>>>>>>> activities in the hopes that she will ultimately become a
> functional
>>>>>>>> member; others request that her terminated affiliation with ACB
> be
>>>>>>>> verified
>>>>>>>> to ensure that our chapters are not infiltrated by ACB members
> who
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>> that their mission is to 'reform' the NFB.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if you have a similar experience to report, and what
> the
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> strategy is to expand our membership without jeopardizing our
>>>>>>>> philosophy
>>>>>>>> and policies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Samira Farwaneh
>>>>>>>> Tucson Chapter, NFBA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Samira Farwaneh
>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor, Arabic Language and Linguistics
>>>>>>>> Department of Near Eastern Studies
>>>>>>>> Department of Linguistics
>>>>>>>> Second Language Acquisition and Teaching Program
>>>>>>>> Louise Foucar Marshall Building
>>>>>>>> 845 N Park Avenue, Room 440
>>>>>>>> PO BOX 210158B
>>>>>>>> University of Arizona
>>>>>>>> Tucson, Arizona 85721-0158B
>>>>>>>> Phone: (520) 621-8629 Or 621-8012
>>>>>>>> Fax: (520) 621-2333
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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