[nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB

Mon Aug 7 04:43:59 CDT 2006

Show me how it applies to the NFBnet lists or (for that matter) the ACB-L 
lists, and I'll research it.  Until then, your argument holds about as much 
water as a screen door.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joe harcz" <michiganadapt at peoplepc.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB

> If you aren't too dumb to research it then research it.
>
> That is Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973.
>
> I'd cite the exact USC but would't wish to offend you.
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>
>
>> There was no reason to respond in this way! There was no need to respond
>> with that kind of message! How do YOU know if blind know all about 
>> Section
>> 504 or the Civil Rights Act? If you are visually impaired, and demeaning
>> other blind, SHAME ON YOU! You accuse us of being TOO DUMB to research
>> Section 504 or the Civil Rights Act. Again, SHAME ON YOU!
>>
>> (signed) Annoyed!! Hope and Karl Hein
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of joe harcz
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:38 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>
>> what A LOVELY AND MOST GOOFY RESPONSE.
>>
>> thanks I'm SURE IT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MINDSET OF  BOTH 
>> ORGANIZATIONS
>> OF THE BLIND. I'm MORE CERTAIN THAT nfb IN PARTICULAR PLACES ITS
>> PHILOSOPHY
>> OVER ESTABLISHED FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS INCLUDING section 504 OF THE
>> rehabilitation act OF 1973. iT IS APPLICABLE IF YOU ALL RECEIVE FEDERAL
>> FUNDS AND YOU ALL DO VIS A VIS nEWSLINE, kfb rEADER AND SO ON AND SO
>> FORTH.
>>
>> in OTHER WORDS ALL IF YOU ACCEPT FEDERAL FUNDS YOU ALL MUST A BIDE BY
>> FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS RULES OR FOREGOES THOSE FUNDS AND YOU IN nfb HAVE 
>> NOT
>> DONE SO.
>>
>> but I'm WASTING MY WORDS UPON THOSE WHO JUST DON'T FOLLOW THOSE RULES AND
>> THOSE WHO THINK ONLY IN PLATITUDES.
>>
>> mind YOU TO BE FAIR THE BULK OF acb ARE ALSO BRAINWASHED FOLKS WHO
>> WOULDN'T
>> KNOW CIVIL RIGHTS IF THEY BIT THEM ON THEIR SORRY BEHINDS!
>>
>> aND NO, THE TERM "BEHIND" IS NOT PORNOGRAPHIC. iT MEANS THAT YOU AND
>> OTHERS
>> ARE BEHIND THE TIMES.
>>
>> bUT i PRE-EMPT...
>>
>> sIGH...
>>
>> jOE
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>
>>
>>> They can if you become a nuisance, or spew obscenities and hate speech.
>>> Now, mind you, I didn't say you *HAVE* done that, but if you ever did,
>>> then
>>> they would have every right to keep you off the list serve at their
>>> discretion.
>>>
>>> Why I say this, so I am clear that I am not singling you out is, for
>>> example, if a person got on here and wrote sexually explicit messages, 
>>> or
>>> talked about killing federationists in gas chambers, or some such thing,
>>> the
>>> list owners would have every right to block that person from the list
>>> serve.
>>> That said, however, who they block is at their discretion, so if you're
>>> not
>>> as bad as the examples I cited above, and yet, disrupt the function of
>>> the
>>> list, then they *STILL* have the right.
>>>
>>> It isn't all about legalities.  To me it's about keeping an even 
>>> keel...a
>>> smoothly flowing community and not a divisive one going on the list.
>>>
>>> Granted, I've seen divisiveness get cut a bit too much slack on this 
>>> list
>>> (and I'm not aiming at specific targets here, either), but again, list
>>> owner
>>> discretion. *SMILE*
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "joe harcz" <michiganadapt at peoplepc.com>
>>> To: <lras at sprynet.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>>
>>>
>>>> iS nfb WILLING TO FOREGOE FEDERAL FUNDING? hARDLY, AND THUS THEY MUST
>>>> COMPLY
>>>> WITH DUEL MEMBERSHIP.
>>>>
>>>> aND THEY CANNOT BUMP ME FROM THESE LIST SERVES EITHER LEGALLY!
>>>>
>>>> jOE
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <lras at sprynet.com>
>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I would take this question up with your state president in Arizona.  It
>>>>> would depend on what this person did or continues to do in support of
>>>>> the
>>>>> ACB, particularly regarding areas where the NFB and ACB don't agree on
>>>>> the
>>>>> national or local level.  We have our policy against dual memberships,
>>>>> and
>>>>> I
>>>>> believe it is a sound policy.  On the other hand, we need to be a
>>>>> welcoming
>>>>> organization, not treating everybody with suspicion.  The important
>>>>> thing
>>>>> is
>>>>> that we have a huge amount of work in front of us to change what it
>>>>> means
>>>>> to
>>>>> be blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
>>>>> Home:  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>>>> Work:  http://www.loc.gov/nls
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of S Farwaneh
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:51 PM
>>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] ACB members in NFB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a question about how to best accommodate active ACB members 
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> to join the NFB. My understanding is that NFB policies prohibit
>>>>>> ACB/NFB
>>>>>> dual membership. We have an ACB member in our midst who was informed
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> the policy, whereupon she denied her affiliation with ACB. We have
>>>>>> philosophical differences concerning this issue: Some members believe
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we should take her word for it and allow her to participate fully in
>>>>>> NFB
>>>>>> activities in the hopes that she will ultimately become a functional
>>>>>> member; others request that her terminated affiliation with ACB be
>>>>>> verified
>>>>>> to  ensure that our chapters are not infiltrated by ACB members who
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> that their mission is to 'reform' the NFB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if you have a similar experience to report, and what the 
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> strategy is to expand our membership without jeopardizing our
>>>>>> philosophy
>>>>>> and policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Samira Farwaneh
>>>>>> Tucson Chapter, NFBA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Samira Farwaneh
>>>>>> Assistant Professor, Arabic Language and Linguistics
>>>>>> Department of Near Eastern Studies
>>>>>> Department of Linguistics
>>>>>> Second Language Acquisition and Teaching Program
>>>>>> Louise Foucar Marshall Building
>>>>>> 845 N Park Avenue, Room 440
>>>>>> PO BOX 210158B
>>>>>> University of Arizona
>>>>>> Tucson, Arizona  85721-0158B
>>>>>> Phone: (520) 621-8629 Or 621-8012
>>>>>> Fax: (520) 621-2333
>>>>>
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