[Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Mon Jan 14 20:57:52 CST 2008
With all due respect, just because one disability gets subsidies doesn't
mean that another ought to also. Moreover, for every special privilege
we accept, we pay in lost opportunities and lessened expectations and
this goes for senior citiznes also.
To put this in perspective, some blind persons have problems with
transportation. Does this mean that I should be provided with a Lincoln
Towncar stretch limo and chauffeur? I suspect the answer from almost
everyone will be a resounding NO.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: pinkhawaii at gmail.com
To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7
Hello David, George and Judy! vow, I am exhausted just looking for
your
messages. Why must our Senior Site be so messed up with endless
repetitions
and lines? Let us use the KISS method, Keep It Simple Sweethearts!
Let's beg
our Webmaster to clean up our act. I feel that a strong organization
like
the NFB must help us advocate for free high speed Internet access. If
you
are older, it is hard to learn Braille and we can hear what is written
with
Zoom text. Only a tiny Minority uses Braille. Zoom Text enlarges and
talks!!! Most Deaf Seniors can see what we write. Only a tiny minority
uses
ASL since the majority of seniors do not need to learn , so let's
cross
communicate with computers. The FCC subsidizes Video Relay Services
for the
MINORITY at nearly $7.- per minute! Let our Leaders advocate for FREE
HIGH
SPEED INTERNET ACCESS FOR ALL CERTIFIED DEAF AND BLIND!!!! don't LET
THEM
SAY, THAT IS NOT OUR JOB! Ouch! As usual I stepped on so many toes
again,
so let me apologize with the Love of Aloha!
Heinz-Guenther Pink
On Jan 14, 2008 8:00 AM, <nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> 1. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 (pinkhawaii at gmail.com)
> 2. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 (Robert Leslie Newman)
> 3. Attracting seniors (George Cassell)
> 4. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 (Jane Withers)
> 5. Re: Attracting seniors (Connie Leblond)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:33:00 -1000
> From: pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6
> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID:
> <df633d8a0801131133w4a5b4e84p8a7e11505a1b90d8 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear David.
> Thank you for writing back. You hit the nail right on the head. It
is hard
> to admit my age and blindness because there is sooo much hostility
against
> us. Even the courts in civil landlord tenant actions have no mercy
what so
> ever and there is no HELP, Also it takes some time to find the mail
in
> this
> net, sooo much to read first.
> With the Love of Aloha to All hg pink
>
> On Jan 13, 2008 8:01 AM, <nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
> > nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
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> > nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> >
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> >
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> > than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4 (David Evans)
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:13:19 -0500
> > From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> > To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > Message-ID: <01df01c8559a$a1e76480$6402a8c0 at DBSWP0243CCA1>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Dear pinkhawaii,
> >
> >
> > I think that we have a hard time communicating with seniors for a
number
> > of
> > reasons.
> > Many seniors, of this generation, do not like to ask for help or
are
> > embarrassed to let other people know that there is something
"wrong"
> with
> > them.
> > They have false pride issues and denial of what has happened to
them.
> > They
> > often try to hide from the stigma of blindness.
> > In their minds, the carrying of a white cane would be an admission
of
> > their
> > being blind and they don't want to do that because then the World
will
> > know.
> > Also seniors of this generation have not all caught up to the use
of the
> > computer as yet. They are slowly becoming "wired" in to the
Internet.
> > Seniors communicate and let their hair down easier with other
seniors.
> > Therefore, if we are to reach seniors, we must use other seniors
to do
> it.
> > They just seem to have more in common that way.
> > I will be 61 years old this month, but still don't think of myself
> really
> > as
> > a senior yet.
> > I work with seniors all of the time in helping to provide
transportation
> > services to them everyday.
> > I can not say that I really understand them fully, but I do know
that
> this
> > generation of seniors still resist help and anything they feel is
> > "charity."
> > They have allot of pride and pride must always go before the fall.
> >
> > David Evans, NFBF
> > Palm Beach County Florida
> > MV Transit
> > Consumer Advocate
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <pinkhawaii at gmail.com>
> > To: <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> >
> >
> > > Aloha to All.
> > > Why is it so hard to communicate or correspond with any of our
blind
> > > seniors? We have more than 50,000 members in the NFB, but very
few on
> > the
> > > Internet. With my Aloha to All 50,000 members. hg pink
> > > On Jan 11, 2008 8:00 AM, <nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
> > >> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >>
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> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > >> nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> > >>
> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> > >> nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
> > >>
> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
specific
> > >> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Today's Topics:
> > >>
> > >> 1. Re: (no subject) (Charles Parker)
> > >> 2. Re: (no subject) (Judy Sanders)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 1
> > >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:47:11 -0500
> > >> From: "Charles Parker" <angusparker at suddenlink.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Message-ID: <001301c853eb$808d1a10$ee666e4b at sealawyer>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > >> reply-type=original
> > >>
> > >> To whom and where do I send membership dues for the senior
division?
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Judy Sanders" <jsanders.nfb at comcast.net>
> > >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > We are, as our name says, a proud division of the National
> Federation
> > >> > of
> > >> > the
> > >> > Blind. We are blind seniors speaking for ourselves and we do
not
> > know
> > >> the
> > >> > meaning of submisive. We do, however, think that we are
imminently
> > >> > reasonable.
> > >> >
> > >> > Join us in Dallas.
> > >> >
> > >> > Judy Sanders, president
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: <pinkhawaii at gmail.com>
> > >> > To: <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:52 PM
> > >> > Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> Aloha to all Senior and blind subscribers. I wonder weather
this
> is
> > a
> > >> >> submissive, outspoken or advocating group for those who
cannot
> > >> >> advocate
> > >> >> for
> > >> >> themselves. With
> > >> >> my Love of Aloha to All Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > >> >> pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > >> >> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and
> handicapped.
> > >> >> Member: NFB Communication Council
> > >> >> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> > >> >> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> > >> >> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> > >> pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > >> >> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808:
> > 537-1875
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> >> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > >> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release
Date:
> > >> 1/9/2008
> > >> > 10:16 AM
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 2
> > >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:04:57 -0600
> > >> From: "Judy Sanders" <jsanders.nfb at comcast.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Message-ID:
<013201c85407$217b1d80$3a67484b at Minneapolis.RENT411.Local
> >
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > >> reply-type=original
> > >>
> > >> Charles and others,
> > >>
> > >> We welcome your dues and your participation. Make checks
payable to
> > NFB
> > >> Senior Division and send them to
> > >>
> > >> Paul Dressell
> > >> 2714 Ruberg Ave.
> > >> Cincinnati, OH 45211
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, everyone.
> > >>
> > >> Judy Sanders, President
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Charles Parker" <angusparker at suddenlink.net>
> > >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:47 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > To whom and where do I send membership dues for the senior
> division?
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Judy Sanders" <jsanders.nfb at comcast.net>
> > >> > To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> We are, as our name says, a proud division of the National
> > Federation
> > >> of
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> Blind. We are blind seniors speaking for ourselves and we
do not
> > know
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> meaning of submisive. We do, however, think that we are
> imminently
> > >> >> reasonable.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Join us in Dallas.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Judy Sanders, president
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: <pinkhawaii at gmail.com>
> > >> >> To: <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:52 PM
> > >> >> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Aloha to all Senior and blind subscribers. I wonder weather
this
> is
> > a
> > >> >>> submissive, outspoken or advocating group for those who
cannot
> > >> advocate
> > >> >>> for
> > >> >>> themselves. With
> > >> >>> my Love of Aloha to All Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > >> >>> pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > >> >>> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and
> handicapped.
> > >> >>> Member: NFB Communication Council
> > >> >>> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> > >> >>> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> > >> >>> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> > >> pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > >> >>> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel
808:
> > 537-1875
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> _______________________________________________
> > >> >>> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> >>> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> >> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > >> >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release
Date:
> > >> 1/9/2008
> > >> >> 10:16 AM
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> > >> *****************************************
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > > Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and
handicapped.
> > > Member: NFB Communication Council
> > > and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> > > Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> > > Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > > 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808:
537-1875
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >
> >
> > End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6
> > *****************************************
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
> Member: NFB Communication Council
> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808:
537-1875
> -------------- next part --------------
> Dear David.
> Thank you for writing back. You hit the nail right on the head. It
is hard
> to admit my age and blindness because there is sooo much hostility
against
> us. Even the courts in civil landlord tenant actions have no mercy
what so
> ever and there is no HELP, Also it takes some time to find the mail
in this
> net, sooo much to read first.?
> With the Love of Aloha to All hg pink
> ?
> On Jan 13, 2008 8:01 AM, < mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> > wrote:
> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> ? ? ? ? http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
> Today's Topics:
> ? 1. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4 (David Evans)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:13:19 -0500
> From: "David Evans" < mailto:drevans at bellsouth.net
drevans at bellsouth.net
> >
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> Message-ID: <01df01c8559a$a1e76480$6402a8c0 at DBSWP0243CCA1 >
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> ? ? ? ?reply-type=original
> Dear ?pinkhawaii,
> I think that we have a hard time communicating with seniors for a
number
> of
> reasons.
> Many seniors, of this generation, do not like to ask for help or are
> embarrassed to let other people know that there is something "wrong"
with
> them.
> They have false pride issues and denial ?of what has happened to
them.
> ?They
> often try to hide from the stigma of blindness.
> In their minds, the carrying of a white cane would be an admission
of
> their
> being blind and they don't want to do that because then the World
will
> know.
> Also seniors of this generation have not all caught up to the use of
the
> computer as yet. ?They are slowly becoming "wired" in to the
Internet.
> Seniors communicate and let their hair down easier with other
seniors.
> Therefore, if we are to reach seniors, we must use other seniors to
do it.
> They just seem to have more in common that way.
> I will be 61 years old this month, but still don't think of myself
really
> as
> a senior yet.
> I work with seniors all of the time in helping to provide
transportation
> services to them everyday.
> I can not say that I really understand them fully, but I do know
that this
> generation of seniors still resist help and anything they feel is
> "charity."
> They have allot of pride and pride must always go before the fall.
> David Evans, NFBF
> Palm Beach County Florida
> MV Transit
> Consumer Advocate
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: < mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >
> To: < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> > Aloha to All.
> > Why is it so hard to communicate or correspond with any of our
blind
> > seniors? We have more than 50,000 members in the NFB, but very few
on
> the
> > Internet. With my Aloha to All 50,000 members. hg pink
> > On Jan 11, 2008 8:00 AM, < mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
> >> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >>
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >> ? ? ? ? http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> >>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
> >>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> ? 1. Re: (no subject) (Charles Parker)
> >> ? 2. Re: (no subject) (Judy Sanders)
> >>
> >>
>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:47:11 -0500
> >> From: "Charles Parker" < mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net
> angusparker at suddenlink.net
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> Message-ID: <001301c853eb$808d1a10$ee666e4b at sealawyer>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >> ? ? ? ?reply-type=original
> >>
> >> To whom and where do I send membership dues for the senior
division?
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Judy Sanders" < mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> >
> >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >>
> >>
> >> > We are, as our name says, a proud division of the National
Federation
> >> > of
> >> > the
> >> > Blind. ?We are blind seniors speaking for ourselves and we do
not
> know
> >> the
> >> > meaning of submisive. ?We do, however, think that we are
imminently
> >> > reasonable.
> >> >
> >> > Join us in Dallas.
> >> >
> >> > Judy Sanders, president
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: < mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >
> >> > To: < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:52 PM
> >> > Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Aloha to all Senior and blind subscribers. I wonder weather
this is
> a
> >> >> submissive, outspoken or advocating group for those who cannot
> >> >> advocate
> >> >> for
> >> >> themselves. With
> >> >> my Love of Aloha to All Heinz-Guenther Pink
> >> >> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >> >> --
> >> >> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> >> >> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and
handicapped.
> >> >> Member: NFB Communication Council
> >> >> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> >> >> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> >> >> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> >> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >> >> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , ? Tel 808:
> 537-1875
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >> >> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >> > mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release
Date:
> >> 1/9/2008
> >> > 10:16 AM
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:04:57 -0600
> >> From: "Judy Sanders" < mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> Message-ID: < mailto:
> 013201c85407$217b1d80$3a67484b at Minneapolis.RENT411.Local
> 013201c85407$217b1d80$3a67484b at Minneapolis.RENT411.Local
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >> ? ? ? ?reply-type=original
> >>
> >> Charles and others,
> >>
> >> We welcome your dues and your participation. ?Make checks payable
to
> NFB
> >> Senior Division and send them to
> >>
> >> Paul Dressell
> >> 2714 Ruberg Ave.
> >> Cincinnati, OH 45211
> >>
> >> Thanks, everyone.
> >>
> >> Judy Sanders, President
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Charles Parker" < mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net
> angusparker at suddenlink.net
> >
> >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:47 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >>
> >>
> >> > To whom and where do I send membership dues for the senior
division?
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Judy Sanders" < mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> >
> >> > To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> We are, as our name says, a proud division of the National
> Federation
> >> of
> >> >> the
> >> >> Blind. ?We are blind seniors speaking for ourselves and we do
not
> know
> >> >> the
> >> >> meaning of submisive. ?We do, however, think that we are
imminently
> >> >> reasonable.
> >> >>
> >> >> Join us in Dallas.
> >> >>
> >> >> Judy Sanders, president
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: < mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >
> >> >> To: < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:52 PM
> >> >> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Aloha to all Senior and blind subscribers. I wonder weather
this is
> a
> >> >>> submissive, outspoken or advocating group for those who
cannot
> >> advocate
> >> >>> for
> >> >>> themselves. With
> >> >>> my Love of Aloha to All Heinz-Guenther Pink
> >> >>> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> >> >>> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and
handicapped.
> >> >>> Member: NFB Communication Council
> >> >>> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> >> >>> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> >> >>> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> >> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >> >>> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , ? Tel 808:
> 537-1875
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >> >>> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >> >> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release
Date:
> >> 1/9/2008
> >> >> 10:16 AM
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >> > mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >>
> >>
> >> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> >> *****************************************
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and
handicapped.
> > Member: NFB Communication Council
> > and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> > Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> > Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, ? ? mailto:
> pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , ? Tel 808:
537-1875
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >
> ------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6
> *****************************************
> --
> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
> Member: NFB Communication Council
> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, ? ? mailto:
> pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , ? Tel 808:
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:36:24 -0600
> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6
> To: <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <000001c8562c$58cf4eb0$6401a8c0 at newman1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Getting any group of people to participate always starts with
getting them
> to become aware of you and what you might have to offer them. So
marketing
> is what we need to think about. We sure have a bunch of members who
are
> seniors, in their 70s and 80s and 90s, and we need to learn what
methods
> of
> communication they tend to use and then we'd have to use those same
> avenues
> to get to them. And sure, the computer and a mailing list like this
one is
> a
> wonderful communication tool, and I'm sure there are more of the
older set
> out there that do have computers and are not aware of this list. So
...
> Hmm
> ... Putting the word out in all NFB publications and trying to rally
folks
> to this medium. (I'm sure we could get more on this list by making
this
> effort.)
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> E-Mail- newmanrl at cox.net
> Web Site- thoughtprovoker.info
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:29:07 -0800
> From: "George Cassell" <apolloseven at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Attracting seniors
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <014901c85633$b6fd3ef0$5e27cb40 at D2J7LK21>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> It's not easy joining a club to which most, if not all of the
members have
> already belonged for a long time, if not a lifetime. Then add to
this the
> fact that the existing members are going to tell you that you are
most
> welcome to join, but that you must be of the same mindset
("Blindness is
> just an inconvenience" and "You must learn Braille if you want to be
able to
> tell which is the aspirin bottle") as those who are already members,
> regardless of your particular circumstances, and you begin to see
the
> problem with the newly blind seniors not wishing to participate in
any
> organization of the blind.
>
> Now, if there was an organization for seniors, that just happened to
have
> a recently blinded division, then that may be a different story, as
that's
> something they could relate to, and everyone else in that group
would, so to
> speak, be in the same boat, able to share tips, tricks and
suggestions on
> how to cope with their blindness.
>
> Just a thought from someone adrift in that same boat.
>
>
> -- George
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> It's not easy joining a club to which most, if not all of the
members have
> already belonged for a long time, if not a lifetime.? Then add to
this the
> fact that the existing members are going to tell you that you are
most
> welcome to join, but that you must be of the same mindset
("Blindness is
> just an inconvenience" and "You must learn Braille if you want to be
able to
> tell which is the aspirin bottle") as those who are already members,
> regardless of your particular circumstances, and you begin to see
the
> problem with the newly blind seniors not wishing to participate in
any
> organization of the blind.
> ?
> Now, if there was an organization for seniors, that just happened to
have
> a recently blinded division, then that may be a different story, as
that's
> something they could relate to, and everyone else in that group
would, so to
> speak, be in the same boat, able to share tips, tricks and
suggestions on
> how to cope with their blindness.
> ?
> Just a thought from someone adrift in that same boat.
> ?
> -- George
> ?
> ?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:58:49 -0600
> From: "Jane Withers" <pitre4 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <016a01c85648$9feef1d0$710edb48 at jane>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Robert, I think your idea is a great one. We certainly have a common
bond
> in
> our age group and our visual impairment and should desire
communication
> and
> fellowship with one another. Now another thing that needs to be
> considered
> is the fact that in our visually impaired seniors, we also have a
fair
> number of folks who, like about 1/3 of the general population, also
suffer
> from some hearing loss. That disability can certainly add
awkwardness and
> arduousness to one's usual
> aptitudes and abilities.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6
>
>
> > Getting any group of people to participate always starts with
getting
> them
> > to become aware of you and what you might have to offer them. So
> marketing
> > is what we need to think about. We sure have a bunch of members
who are
> > seniors, in their 70s and 80s and 90s, and we need to learn what
methods
> > of
> > communication they tend to use and then we'd have to use those
same
> > avenues
> > to get to them. And sure, the computer and a mailing list like
this one
> is
> > a
> > wonderful communication tool, and I'm sure there are more of the
older
> set
> > out there that do have computers and are not aware of this list.
So ...
> > Hmm
> > ... Putting the word out in all NFB publications and trying to
rally
> folks
> > to this medium. (I'm sure we could get more on this list by making
this
> > effort.)
> >
> > Robert Leslie Newman
> > E-Mail- newmanrl at cox.net
> > Web Site- thoughtprovoker.info
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:26:32 -0800
> From: "Connie Leblond" <connie at atechcenter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Attracting seniors
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <001201c8565d$4a22c8c0$6501a8c0 at CCL3CC2AFF346>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi, George,
>
> Thank you for your insight. We often take it for granted that
everyone
> has
> had opportunities and experiences that mirror our own. I hope and
believe
> that we want to accept seniors on their terms. We forget that many
of us
> were partially sighted and had to make adjustments. We used our
vision at
> one time or not. Please, don't hesitate to ask for tips and tricks
and
> continue to remind us that we are individuals with different goals,
> desires
> and intuition. We value them all.
> Connie Leblond.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Cassell" <apolloseven at earthlink.net>
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:29 PM
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Attracting seniors
>
>
> It's not easy joining a club to which most, if not all of the
members have
> already belonged for a long time, if not a lifetime. Then add to
this the
> fact that the existing members are going to tell you that you are
most
> welcome to join, but that you must be of the same mindset
("Blindness is
> just an inconvenience" and "You must learn Braille if you want to be
able
> to
> tell which is the aspirin bottle") as those who are already members,
> regardless of your particular circumstances, and you begin to see
the
> problem with the newly blind seniors not wishing to participate in
any
> organization of the blind.
>
> Now, if there was an organization for seniors, that just happened to
have
> a
> recently blinded division, then that may be a different story, as
that's
> something they could relate to, and everyone else in that group
would, so
> to
> speak, be in the same boat, able to share tips, tricks and
suggestions on
> how to cope with their blindness.
>
> Just a thought from someone adrift in that same boat.
>
>
> -- George
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>
>
> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7
> *****************************************
>
--
Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
Member: NFB Communication Council
and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
pinkhawaii at gmail.com
410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
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With all due respect, just because one disability gets subsidies doesn't mean that another ought to also. Moreover, for every special privilege we accept, we pay in lost opportunities and lessened expectations and this goes for senior citiznes also.
To put this in perspective, some blind persons have problems with transportation. Does this mean that I should be provided with a Lincoln Towncar stretch limo and chauffeur? I suspect the answer from almost everyone will be a resounding NO.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
To:
mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
Sent:
Monday, January 14, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject:
Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7
Hello David, George and Judy! vow, I am exhausted just looking for your
messages. Why must our Senior Site be so messed up with endless repetitions
and lines? Let us use the KISS method, Keep It Simple Sweethearts! Let's beg
our Webmaster to clean up our act. I feel that a strong organization like
the NFB must help us advocate for free high speed Internet access. If you
are older, it is hard to learn Braille and we can hear what is written with
Zoom text. Only a tiny Minority uses Braille. Zoom Text enlarges and
talks!!! Most Deaf Seniors can see what we write. Only a tiny minority uses
ASL since the majority of seniors do not need to learn , so let's cross
communicate with computers. The FCC subsidizes Video Relay Services for the
MINORITY at nearly $7.- per minute! Let our Leaders advocate for FREE HIGH
SPEED INTERNET ACCESS FOR ALL CERTIFIED DEAF AND BLIND!!!! don't LET THEM
SAY, THAT IS NOT OUR JOB! Ouch! As usual I stepped on so many toes again,
so let me apologize with the Love of Aloha!
Heinz-Guenther Pink
On Jan 14, 2008 8:00 AM, < mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> wrote:
> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
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>
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> 1. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 ( mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
)
> 2. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 (Robert Leslie Newman)
> 3. Attracting seniors (George Cassell)
> 4. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 (Jane Withers)
> 5. Re: Attracting seniors (Connie Leblond)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:33:00 -1000
> From: mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6
> To: mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID:
> < mailto:df633d8a0801131133w4a5b4e84p8a7e11505a1b90d8 at mail.gmail.com df633d8a0801131133w4a5b4e84p8a7e11505a1b90d8 at mail.gmail.com
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear David.
> Thank you for writing back. You hit the nail right on the head. It is hard
> to admit my age and blindness because there is sooo much hostility against
> us. Even the courts in civil landlord tenant actions have no mercy what so
> ever and there is no HELP, Also it takes some time to find the mail in
> this
> net, sooo much to read first.
> With the Love of Aloha to All hg pink
>
> On Jan 13, 2008 8:01 AM, < mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> wrote:
>
> > Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
> > mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
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> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
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> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4 (David Evans)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:13:19 -0500
> > From: "David Evans" < mailto:drevans at bellsouth.net drevans at bellsouth.net
>
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> > To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> > Message-ID: < mailto:01df01c8559a$a1e76480$6402a8c0 at DBSWP0243CCA1 01df01c8559a$a1e76480$6402a8c0 at DBSWP0243CCA1
>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Dear pinkhawaii,
> >
> >
> > I think that we have a hard time communicating with seniors for a number
> > of
> > reasons.
> > Many seniors, of this generation, do not like to ask for help or are
> > embarrassed to let other people know that there is something "wrong"
> with
> > them.
> > They have false pride issues and denial of what has happened to them.
> > They
> > often try to hide from the stigma of blindness.
> > In their minds, the carrying of a white cane would be an admission of
> > their
> > being blind and they don't want to do that because then the World will
> > know.
> > Also seniors of this generation have not all caught up to the use of the
> > computer as yet. They are slowly becoming "wired" in to the Internet.
> > Seniors communicate and let their hair down easier with other seniors.
> > Therefore, if we are to reach seniors, we must use other seniors to do
> it.
> > They just seem to have more in common that way.
> > I will be 61 years old this month, but still don't think of myself
> really
> > as
> > a senior yet.
> > I work with seniors all of the time in helping to provide transportation
> > services to them everyday.
> > I can not say that I really understand them fully, but I do know that
> this
> > generation of seniors still resist help and anything they feel is
> > "charity."
> > They have allot of pride and pride must always go before the fall.
> >
> > David Evans, NFBF
> > Palm Beach County Florida
> > MV Transit
> > Consumer Advocate
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: < mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>
> > To: < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> >
> >
> > > Aloha to All.
> > > Why is it so hard to communicate or correspond with any of our blind
> > > seniors? We have more than 50,000 members in the NFB, but very few on
> > the
> > > Internet. With my Aloha to All 50,000 members. hg pink
> > > On Jan 11, 2008 8:00 AM, < mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
> > >> mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >>
> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > >> mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> > >>
> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> > >> mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
> > >>
> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > >> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Today's Topics:
> > >>
> > >> 1. Re: (no subject) (Charles Parker)
> > >> 2. Re: (no subject) (Judy Sanders)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 1
> > >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:47:11 -0500
> > >> From: "Charles Parker" < mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net angusparker at suddenlink.net
>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> > >> Message-ID: < mailto:001301c853eb$808d1a10$ee666e4b at sealawyer 001301c853eb$808d1a10$ee666e4b at sealawyer
>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > >> reply-type=original
> > >>
> > >> To whom and where do I send membership dues for the senior division?
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Judy Sanders" < mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
>
> > >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > We are, as our name says, a proud division of the National
> Federation
> > >> > of
> > >> > the
> > >> > Blind. We are blind seniors speaking for ourselves and we do not
> > know
> > >> the
> > >> > meaning of submisive. We do, however, think that we are imminently
> > >> > reasonable.
> > >> >
> > >> > Join us in Dallas.
> > >> >
> > >> > Judy Sanders, president
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: < mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>
> > >> > To: < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:52 PM
> > >> > Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> Aloha to all Senior and blind subscribers. I wonder weather this
> is
> > a
> > >> >> submissive, outspoken or advocating group for those who cannot
> > >> >> advocate
> > >> >> for
> > >> >> themselves. With
> > >> >> my Love of Aloha to All Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > >> >> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > >> >> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and
> handicapped.
> > >> >> Member: NFB Communication Council
> > >> >> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> > >> >> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> > >> >> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> > >> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > >> >> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808:
> > 537-1875
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> >> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> > mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > >> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date:
> > >> 1/9/2008
> > >> > 10:16 AM
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 2
> > >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:04:57 -0600
> > >> From: "Judy Sanders" < mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> > >> Message-ID: < mailto:013201c85407$217b1d80$3a67484b at Minneapolis.RENT411.Local 013201c85407$217b1d80$3a67484b at Minneapolis.RENT411.Local
> >
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > >> reply-type=original
> > >>
> > >> Charles and others,
> > >>
> > >> We welcome your dues and your participation. Make checks payable to
> > NFB
> > >> Senior Division and send them to
> > >>
> > >> Paul Dressell
> > >> 2714 Ruberg Ave.
> > >> Cincinnati, OH 45211
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, everyone.
> > >>
> > >> Judy Sanders, President
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Charles Parker" < mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net angusparker at suddenlink.net
>
> > >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:47 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > To whom and where do I send membership dues for the senior
> division?
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Judy Sanders" < mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
>
> > >> > To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> We are, as our name says, a proud division of the National
> > Federation
> > >> of
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> Blind. We are blind seniors speaking for ourselves and we do not
> > know
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> meaning of submisive. We do, however, think that we are
> imminently
> > >> >> reasonable.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Join us in Dallas.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Judy Sanders, president
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: < mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>
> > >> >> To: < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:52 PM
> > >> >> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Aloha to all Senior and blind subscribers. I wonder weather this
> is
> > a
> > >> >>> submissive, outspoken or advocating group for those who cannot
> > >> advocate
> > >> >>> for
> > >> >>> themselves. With
> > >> >>> my Love of Aloha to All Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > >> >>> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > >> >>> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and
> handicapped.
> > >> >>> Member: NFB Communication Council
> > >> >>> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> > >> >>> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> > >> >>> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> > >> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > >> >>> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808:
> > 537-1875
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> _______________________________________________
> > >> >>> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> >>> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> >> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > >> >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date:
> > >> 1/9/2008
> > >> >> 10:16 AM
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> > mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > >> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> > >> *****************************************
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> > > Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
> > > Member: NFB Communication Council
> > > and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> > > Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> > > Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> > > 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > > mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >
> >
> > End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6
> > *****************************************
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
> Member: NFB Communication Council
> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
> -------------- next part --------------
> Dear David.
> Thank you for writing back. You hit the nail right on the head. It is hard
> to admit my age and blindness because there is sooo much hostility against
> us. Even the courts in civil landlord tenant actions have no mercy what so
> ever and there is no HELP, Also it takes some time to find the mail in this
> net, sooo much to read first.?
> With the Love of Aloha to All hg pink
> ?
> On Jan 13, 2008 8:01 AM, < mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> > wrote:
> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> ? ? ? ? http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
> Today's Topics:
> ? 1. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4 (David Evans)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:13:19 -0500
> From: "David Evans" < mailto:drevans at bellsouth.net mailto:drevans at bellsouth.net
mailto:drevans at bellsouth.net drevans at bellsouth.net
> >
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> Message-ID: < mailto:01df01c8559a$a1e76480$6402a8c0 at DBSWP0243CCA1 01df01c8559a$a1e76480$6402a8c0 at DBSWP0243CCA1
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> ? ? ? ?reply-type=original
> Dear ?pinkhawaii,
> I think that we have a hard time communicating with seniors for a number
> of
> reasons.
> Many seniors, of this generation, do not like to ask for help or are
> embarrassed to let other people know that there is something "wrong" with
> them.
> They have false pride issues and denial ?of what has happened to them.
> ?They
> often try to hide from the stigma of blindness.
> In their minds, the carrying of a white cane would be an admission of
> their
> being blind and they don't want to do that because then the World will
> know.
> Also seniors of this generation have not all caught up to the use of the
> computer as yet. ?They are slowly becoming "wired" in to the Internet.
> Seniors communicate and let their hair down easier with other seniors.
> Therefore, if we are to reach seniors, we must use other seniors to do it.
> They just seem to have more in common that way.
> I will be 61 years old this month, but still don't think of myself really
> as
> a senior yet.
> I work with seniors all of the time in helping to provide transportation
> services to them everyday.
> I can not say that I really understand them fully, but I do know that this
> generation of seniors still resist help and anything they feel is
> "charity."
> They have allot of pride and pride must always go before the fall.
> David Evans, NFBF
> Palm Beach County Florida
> MV Transit
> Consumer Advocate
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: < mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com
mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >
> To: < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
> > Aloha to All.
> > Why is it so hard to communicate or correspond with any of our blind
> > seniors? We have more than 50,000 members in the NFB, but very few on
> the
> > Internet. With my Aloha to All 50,000 members. hg pink
> > On Jan 11, 2008 8:00 AM, < mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
> >> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >>
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >> ? ? ? ? http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> >>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >> ? ? ? ? mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
> >>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> ? 1. Re: (no subject) (Charles Parker)
> >> ? 2. Re: (no subject) (Judy Sanders)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:47:11 -0500
> >> From: "Charles Parker" < mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net
> mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net angusparker at suddenlink.net
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> Message-ID: < mailto:001301c853eb$808d1a10$ee666e4b at sealawyer 001301c853eb$808d1a10$ee666e4b at sealawyer
>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >> ? ? ? ?reply-type=original
> >>
> >> To whom and where do I send membership dues for the senior division?
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Judy Sanders" < mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> >
> >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >>
> >>
> >> > We are, as our name says, a proud division of the National Federation
> >> > of
> >> > the
> >> > Blind. ?We are blind seniors speaking for ourselves and we do not
> know
> >> the
> >> > meaning of submisive. ?We do, however, think that we are imminently
> >> > reasonable.
> >> >
> >> > Join us in Dallas.
> >> >
> >> > Judy Sanders, president
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: < mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com
mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >
> >> > To: < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:52 PM
> >> > Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Aloha to all Senior and blind subscribers. I wonder weather this is
> a
> >> >> submissive, outspoken or advocating group for those who cannot
> >> >> advocate
> >> >> for
> >> >> themselves. With
> >> >> my Love of Aloha to All Heinz-Guenther Pink
> >> >> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com
mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >> >> --
> >> >> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> >> >> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
> >> >> Member: NFB Communication Council
> >> >> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> >> >> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> >> >> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> >> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com
mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >> >> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , ? Tel 808:
> 537-1875
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >> >> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
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> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:04:57 -0600
> >> From: "Judy Sanders" < mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
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> >>
> >> Charles and others,
> >>
> >> We welcome your dues and your participation. ?Make checks payable to
> NFB
> >> Senior Division and send them to
> >>
> >> Paul Dressell
> >> 2714 Ruberg Ave.
> >> Cincinnati, OH 45211
> >>
> >> Thanks, everyone.
> >>
> >> Judy Sanders, President
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Charles Parker" < mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net
> mailto:angusparker at suddenlink.net angusparker at suddenlink.net
> >
> >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:47 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >>
> >>
> >> > To whom and where do I send membership dues for the senior division?
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Judy Sanders" < mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> mailto:jsanders.nfb at comcast.net jsanders.nfb at comcast.net
> >
> >> > To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> We are, as our name says, a proud division of the National
> Federation
> >> of
> >> >> the
> >> >> Blind. ?We are blind seniors speaking for ourselves and we do not
> know
> >> >> the
> >> >> meaning of submisive. ?We do, however, think that we are imminently
> >> >> reasonable.
> >> >>
> >> >> Join us in Dallas.
> >> >>
> >> >> Judy Sanders, president
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: < mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com
mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >
> >> >> To: < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:52 PM
> >> >> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Aloha to all Senior and blind subscribers. I wonder weather this is
> a
> >> >>> submissive, outspoken or advocating group for those who cannot
> >> advocate
> >> >>> for
> >> >>> themselves. With
> >> >>> my Love of Aloha to All Heinz-Guenther Pink
> >> >>> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com
mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> >> >>> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
> >> >>> Member: NFB Communication Council
> >> >>> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> >> >>> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> >> >>> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
> >> mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com
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