[Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15
Ramona Walhof
rwnfbi at qwest.net
Wed Feb 27 14:54:44 CST 2008
Well, I think I found your name. I haven't had the same experience you seem
to have had with other blind people. Certainly, there are many different
attitudes among the thousands of us. We try to get as close to consensus as
possible at our conventions. Our policies are stated in resolutions and
interpretted as we carry on our work. I agree with some of the things you
said, but not with all of them. That, I think, is normal and healthy.
It sounds as though you are solving many of the problems presented by
blindness and deafness. I think there is no good purpose in worrying about
which is better or worse between blindness and deafness. But it is for sure
that the conbination is more difficult than either blindness or deafness by
itself.
I know some of the leaders of the National Federation of the Blind of Hawaii
and like them. They do some good work. If you choose to be a memnber, I
hope you will learn to like them, too. If you choose not to be a member,
that is your prerogative. Nobody will be mad at you.
Ramona
?
----- Original Message -----
From: <pinkhawaii at gmail.com>
To: <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15
> Dear Ramona Walhof!
> What a wonderful surprise, to receive your understanding and compassionate
> e-mail!
> Most answering "BLIND" did not seem blind at all, especially when they
> drove
> a car for 10 years after losing their eyesight. That to me is a miracle. I
> lost my Drivers and pilots license immediately after 13 eye operations.
> With
> so manr for the deaf blind and handicapped. I wonder what makes some not
> so
> blind so hostile, y rude answers, I was wondering how many seeing people
> pretend to be blind. I am 75 years old on April 5 and live alone very
> independently and I am a very active political writenot to accept any help
> from our government we worked for all our lives. I am rather independent
> and
> fight for the rights of all handicapped people. I went through training
> at the Helen Keller National Center and did well. I also have free
> internet access through my university where I was a life long math and
> computer educator. What is wrong, asking for free high speed internet
> access
> for all isolated lonely handicapped. Why then do we accept disability
> insurance for so many??? I still pay a lot of taxes in my age of 75 being
> disabled through deaf blindness. I am using Zoom Text and Jaws with my
> computers. I even gave my computer a sex change, by putting nice nipples
> on
> every 0, 5, J and F. Now I can type up a storm again. What is wrong with
> people to say that it is so much better to be deaf, rather than to hear or
> to be blind, rather than see. They must be seeing blind and deaf with
> hearing. the same as saying stupid blind people deserve to die when
> crossing
> the streets. Look at those ignorant paragraphs, I copied for you:"
>> *Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
>> people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
>> them, too!>**
>> That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that
>> no
>> blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
>> advantages,
>> like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
>> light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own. And
>> those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having to
>> ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
>> people
>> running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter, won't
>> we?.
> I noticed that trend in our local NATIONAL FEDERATION "OFF'' the Blind
> with
> only 20 members as voice of the blind? Some leaders have guide dogs and
> run
> around without them? I could not even get a report of our State Convention
> and could not attend unless I paid the $90 for me and my personal care
> attendant, even though we brought our own lunch. Now, with so many seeing
> very independent members I will let my membership expire AND HOPE THAT THE
> NFB WILL BE DISSOLVED AND THE MULTI MILLIONS OF ASSETS IN HELP AND
> DONATIONS
> WILL BE GIVEN TO THE NEEDY, INSTEAD OF GIVING IT TO THE INSIDER SEEING FAT
> CATS. AMEN. WITH THE lOVE OF aLOHA TO ALL Heinz-Guenther Pink
> *
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:00 AM, <nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6 (Ramona Walhof)
>> 2. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6 (Jane Withers)
>> 3. Re: There's Nothing 'Super' About It (Paul Leung)
>> 4. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6 (seville allen)
>> 5. Dealing with blindness. Was: Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3,
>> Issue 6 (George Cassell)
>> 6. Re: Dealing with blindness. Was: Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol
>> 3, Issue 6 (David Evans)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:04:20 -0700
>> From: "Ramona Walhof" <rwnfbi at qwest.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <004701c878aa$64c03270$9900a8c0 at acer56fb35423d>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I am sorry you seem to be so sad about your blindness. It is natural to
>> find it difficult at first. The best way to adjust is to look for things
>> you enjoy that you can continue doing. It is also a good idea to get
>> some
>> training to learn some new skills. I believe you live in Hawaii. If
>> that
>> is correct, I suggest you contact Leah Gruppen at the Training Center
>> there.
>> I can't spell it, but the name is Ho-opono. Since you clearly enjoy
>> outdoor
>> activities, I will share some of mine with you: I ride the back of a
>> tandem
>> bike. I chair a big ride called Cycle for Independence which will occur
>> May
>> 17 this year, and we expect more than 350 riders to participate. I love
>> to
>> swim and hike; I am not a fisherman, but I know many who are blind.
>> There
>> are also blind people who sail, canoe, waterski, run, dance, rock climb,
>> and
>> more.
>> There is a new machine on the market called the Kurzweil National
>> Federation
>> of the Blind Reader Mobile. It is special software in a cell phone, so
>> that
>> you can take a picture of a page and convert it into speech.
>> If you want to email me directly, my address is rwnfbi at qwest.net.
>> If you want to meet a lot of very energetic and upbeat blind people, you
>> may
>> want to come to our national convention in Dallas the first week in July.
>> I have seen messages from you before on this listserve and have not
>> responded. Sometimes it is hard to know where to begin, but you deserve
>> a
>> response. So I have tried to make a beginning.
>> Ramona Walhof
>> p.s. I don't think I found your name. What is it?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <pinkhawaii at gmail.com>
>> To: <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>>
>>
>> > Dear very few answering members. Congratulations that you overcame your
>> > blindness and became better than the sighted!
>> > Maybe you can teach me to play tennis or golf again, to get my pilots
>> > license back, even to get my drivers license back would be a great
>> > help,
>> > teach me how to use my sail boat again or go surfing, scuba diving and
>> > fishing. I like to go skiing again or go horseback riding, to write
>> > contracts and read the fine print, to go hunting or just finding a nice
>> > girl
>> > friend who does not mind my blindness and being hard of hearing. Please
>> > let
>> > me see an Opera, an Operetta, or just enjoy any show or movie again.
>> > I
>> > enjoyed sled riding, Ice skating, ping pong and volley ball. I did all
>> of
>> > that quite well, but now I must find a super teacher from the NFB like
>> > YOU!!! Who pays you to spread those rumors of our blind capability,
>> > enpowerment and blind superiority!!!
>> >
>> > On Feb 15, 2008 8:00 AM, <nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
>> >> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> >>
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>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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>> >>
>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
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>> >> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Today's Topics:
>> >>
>> >> 1. (no subject) (pinkhawaii at gmail.com)
>> >> 2. Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (George Cassell)
>> >> 3. Re: Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (David Andrews)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:12:24 -1000
>> >> From: pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> >> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
>> >> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >> <df633d8a0802141312t75b14161k2806986a3444bdeb at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >>
>> >> Dear Seniors:
>> >> If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a
>> >> percent
>> >> are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then let's
>> >> all
>> >> lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is not
>> our
>> >> job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the
>> 90%
>> >> have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those
>> >> programs
>> >> do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive.
>> >> Without
>> >> free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen
>> are
>> >> useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute
>> by
>> >> the
>> >> FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby
>> and
>> >> please keep this website simple like direct email without all the
>> >> confusing
>> >> instructions.
>> >> My love of aloha to all,
>> >> Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
>> >> Member: NFB Communication Council
>> >> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
>> >> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
>> >> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> >> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>> >> -------------- next part --------------
>> >> Dear Seniors:
>> >> If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a
>> >> percent are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then
>> >> let's
>> >> all lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is
>> not
>> >> our
>> >> job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the
>> 90%
>> >> have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those
>> >> programs
>> >> do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive.
>> >> Without
>> >> free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen
>> are
>> >> useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute
>> by
>> >> the
>> >> FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby
>> and
>> >> please keep this website simple like direct email without all the
>> >> confusing
>> >> instructions.
>> >> My love of aloha to all,
>> >> Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >> --
>> >> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
>> >> Member: NFB Communication Council
>> >> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
>> >> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
>> >> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, mailto:
>> >> pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> >> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:55:56 -0800
>> >> From: "George Cassell" <apolloseven at earthlink.net>
>> >> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
>> >> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Message-ID: <001701c86f65$2449b750$5e27cb40 at D2J7LK21>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind,
>> >> deaf
>> >> and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
>> >> Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
>> >> Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
>> >> really
>> >> are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
>> >> internet
>> >> access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
>> >> access
>> >> to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's
>> all
>> >> lobby."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on
>> an
>> >> NFB
>> >> list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not
>> to
>> >> mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB
>> stands
>> >> for.
>> >>
>> >> Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are
>> just
>> >> like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
>> >> After
>> >> all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able
>> >> to
>> >> ride
>> >> city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an
>> >> 80%
>> >> unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so
>> would
>> >> make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
>> >> perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could
>> >> be
>> >> further from the truth, could it?
>> >>
>> >> Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than
>> >> sighted
>> >> people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better
>> >> than
>> >> them, too!
>> >>
>> >> That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure
>> >> that
>> >> no
>> >> blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
>> >> advantages,
>> >> like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when
>> >> the
>> >> light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own.
>> And
>> >> those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having
>> to
>> >> ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
>> >> people
>> >> running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter,
>> won't
>> >> we?
>> >>
>> >> I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to
>> >> prove
>> >> that
>> >> being blind is better than being sighted.
>> >>
>> >> In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our
>> canes
>> >> to
>> >> poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
>> >> himself,
>> >> with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
>> >> What
>> >> a role model for all of us!
>> >>
>> >> The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and
>> >> not
>> >> everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there
>> >> wasn't
>> >> an
>> >> NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>> >>
>> >> If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 3
>> >> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:55:23 -0600
>> >> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no
>> >> subject)
>> >> To: NFB Senior Division list <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Message-ID: <auto-000037681797 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>> >>
>> >> While my better judgment tells me I shouldn't respond I am going to
>> >> anyway.
>> >>
>> >> First, if we are so crazy, why are you on one of our lists.
>> >>
>> >> Secondly, you have simplified and distorted many of our positions,
>> >> presumably to further your own political agenda. It is a falsehood
>> >> to say that we ask for no accommodations and don't want anyone to
>> >> accept any. On the whole we do believe in only asking for those
>> >> accommodations that are truly necessary, and different people and
>> >> different groups will disagree about what is necessary. However,
>> >> this is not a basis for your ridiculous statements.
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> At 05:55 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the
>> >> >blind,
>> >> deaf
>> >> >and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
>> >> >Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind
>> >> >Task
>> >> >Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
>> >> really
>> >> >are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
>> >> internet
>> >> >access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
>> >> access
>> >> >to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's
>> >> >all
>> >> >lobby."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on
>> an
>> >> NFB
>> >> >list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not
>> to
>> >> >mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB
>> >> >stands
>> >> >for.
>> >> >
>> >> >Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are
>> just
>> >> >like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
>> >> After
>> >> >all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able
>> to
>> >> ride
>> >> >city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing
>> >> >an
>> >> 80%
>> >> >unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so
>> would
>> >> >make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
>> >> >perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could
>> be
>> >> >further from the truth, could it?
>> >> >
>> >> >Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than
>> sighted
>> >> >people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better
>> than
>> >> >them, too!
>> >> >
>> >> >That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure
>> that
>> >> no
>> >> >blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
>> >> advantages,
>> >> >like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when
>> the
>> >> >light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own.
>> >> >And
>> >> >those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never
>> >> >having
>> >> >to
>> >> >ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
>> >> people
>> >> >running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter,
>> won't
>> >> we?
>> >> >
>> >> >I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to
>> prove
>> >> that
>> >> >being blind is better than being sighted.
>> >> >
>> >> >In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our
>> canes
>> >> to
>> >> >poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
>> >> himself,
>> >> >with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
>> >> What
>> >> >a role model for all of us!
>> >> >
>> >> >The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and
>> not
>> >> >everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there
>> wasn't
>> >> an
>> >> >NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>> >> >
>> >> >If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >Nfb-seniors mailing list
>> >> >Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>> >>
>> >> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>> >> *****************************************
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> > Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
>> > Member: NFB Communication Council
>> > and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
>> > Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
>> > Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
>> > pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> > 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>> >
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:18:29 -0600
>> From: "Jane Withers" <pitre4 at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <02e401c878ac$5e8631a0$710edb48 at jane>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I feel that the gentleman from Hawaii is simply attempting to be
>> realistic
>> concerning blindness and hearing loss and in no way indicated that he was
>> feeling sorry for himself and was not independent in his activities of
>> daily
>> living. It is, of course, difficult to interpret voice tones and
>> expressions from electronic messages, but a previous nasty response to
>> the
>> island gent was simply rude and unacceptable.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ramona Walhof" <rwnfbi at qwest.net>
>> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>>
>>
>> >I am sorry you seem to be so sad about your blindness. It is natural to
>> > find it difficult at first. The best way to adjust is to look for
>> things
>> > you enjoy that you can continue doing. It is also a good idea to get
>> some
>> > training to learn some new skills. I believe you live in Hawaii. If
>> that
>> > is correct, I suggest you contact Leah Gruppen at the Training Center
>> > there.
>> > I can't spell it, but the name is Ho-opono. Since you clearly enjoy
>> > outdoor
>> > activities, I will share some of mine with you: I ride the back of a
>> > tandem
>> > bike. I chair a big ride called Cycle for Independence which will occur
>> > May
>> > 17 this year, and we expect more than 350 riders to participate. I
>> love
>> > to
>> > swim and hike; I am not a fisherman, but I know many who are blind.
>> There
>> > are also blind people who sail, canoe, waterski, run, dance, rock
>> > climb,
>> > and
>> > more.
>> > There is a new machine on the market called the Kurzweil National
>> > Federation
>> > of the Blind Reader Mobile. It is special software in a cell phone, so
>> > that
>> > you can take a picture of a page and convert it into speech.
>> > If you want to email me directly, my address is rwnfbi at qwest.net.
>> > If you want to meet a lot of very energetic and upbeat blind people,
>> > you
>> > may
>> > want to come to our national convention in Dallas the first week in
>> July.
>> > I have seen messages from you before on this listserve and have not
>> > responded. Sometimes it is hard to know where to begin, but you
>> > deserve
>> a
>> > response. So I have tried to make a beginning.
>> > Ramona Walhof
>> > p.s. I don't think I found your name. What is it?
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <pinkhawaii at gmail.com>
>> > To: <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>> >
>> >
>> >> Dear very few answering members. Congratulations that you overcame
>> >> your
>> >> blindness and became better than the sighted!
>> >> Maybe you can teach me to play tennis or golf again, to get my pilots
>> >> license back, even to get my drivers license back would be a great
>> help,
>> >> teach me how to use my sail boat again or go surfing, scuba diving and
>> >> fishing. I like to go skiing again or go horseback riding, to write
>> >> contracts and read the fine print, to go hunting or just finding a
>> >> nice
>> >> girl
>> >> friend who does not mind my blindness and being hard of hearing.
>> >> Please
>> >> let
>> >> me see an Opera, an Operetta, or just enjoy any show or movie again.
>> I
>> >> enjoyed sled riding, Ice skating, ping pong and volley ball. I did all
>> of
>> >> that quite well, but now I must find a super teacher from the NFB like
>> >> YOU!!! Who pays you to spread those rumors of our blind capability,
>> >> enpowerment and blind superiority!!!
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 15, 2008 8:00 AM, <nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
>> >>> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> >>>
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>> >>> Today's Topics:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. (no subject) (pinkhawaii at gmail.com)
>> >>> 2. Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (George Cassell)
>> >>> 3. Re: Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (David
>> >>> Andrews)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> Message: 1
>> >>> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:12:24 -1000
>> >>> From: pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> >>> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
>> >>> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Message-ID:
>> >>> <df633d8a0802141312t75b14161k2806986a3444bdeb at mail.gmail.com>
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Seniors:
>> >>> If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a
>> >>> percent
>> >>> are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then let's
>> all
>> >>> lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is not
>> our
>> >>> job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the
>> >>> 90%
>> >>> have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those
>> >>> programs
>> >>> do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive.
>> >>> Without
>> >>> free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen
>> >>> are
>> >>> useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute
>> by
>> >>> the
>> >>> FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby
>> and
>> >>> please keep this website simple like direct email without all the
>> >>> confusing
>> >>> instructions.
>> >>> My love of aloha to all,
>> >>> Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >>> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
>> >>> Member: NFB Communication Council
>> >>> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
>> >>> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
>> >>> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> >>> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>> >>> -------------- next part --------------
>> >>> Dear Seniors:
>> >>> If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a
>> >>> percent are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then
>> >>> let's
>> >>> all lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is
>> not
>> >>> our
>> >>> job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the
>> >>> 90%
>> >>> have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those
>> >>> programs
>> >>> do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive.
>> >>> Without
>> >>> free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen
>> >>> are
>> >>> useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute
>> by
>> >>> the
>> >>> FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby
>> and
>> >>> please keep this website simple like direct email without all the
>> >>> confusing
>> >>> instructions.
>> >>> My love of aloha to all,
>> >>> Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >>> --
>> >>> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >>> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
>> >>> Member: NFB Communication Council
>> >>> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
>> >>> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
>> >>> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, mailto:
>> >>> pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> >>> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> Message: 2
>> >>> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:55:56 -0800
>> >>> From: "George Cassell" <apolloseven at earthlink.net>
>> >>> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no
>> >>> subject)
>> >>> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Message-ID: <001701c86f65$2449b750$5e27cb40 at D2J7LK21>
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the
>> >>> blind,
>> >>> deaf
>> >>> and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
>> >>> Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind
>> >>> Task
>> >>> Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
>> >>> really
>> >>> are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
>> >>> internet
>> >>> access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
>> >>> access
>> >>> to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's
>> >>> all
>> >>> lobby."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on
>> an
>> >>> NFB
>> >>> list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not
>> to
>> >>> mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB
>> >>> stands
>> >>> for.
>> >>>
>> >>> Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are
>> just
>> >>> like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
>> >>> After
>> >>> all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able
>> to
>> >>> ride
>> >>> city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing
>> >>> an
>> >>> 80%
>> >>> unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so
>> would
>> >>> make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
>> >>> perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could
>> be
>> >>> further from the truth, could it?
>> >>>
>> >>> Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than
>> sighted
>> >>> people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better
>> than
>> >>> them, too!
>> >>>
>> >>> That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure
>> that
>> >>> no
>> >>> blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
>> >>> advantages,
>> >>> like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when
>> the
>> >>> light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own.
>> >>> And
>> >>> those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never
>> >>> having
>> >>> to
>> >>> ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
>> >>> people
>> >>> running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter,
>> won't
>> >>> we?
>> >>>
>> >>> I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to
>> prove
>> >>> that
>> >>> being blind is better than being sighted.
>> >>>
>> >>> In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our
>> canes
>> >>> to
>> >>> poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
>> >>> himself,
>> >>> with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
>> >>> What
>> >>> a role model for all of us!
>> >>>
>> >>> The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and
>> not
>> >>> everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there
>> wasn't
>> >>> an
>> >>> NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>> >>>
>> >>> If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> Message: 3
>> >>> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:55:23 -0600
>> >>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no
>> >>> subject)
>> >>> To: NFB Senior Division list <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Message-ID: <auto-000037681797 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>> >>>
>> >>> While my better judgment tells me I shouldn't respond I am going to
>> >>> anyway.
>> >>>
>> >>> First, if we are so crazy, why are you on one of our lists.
>> >>>
>> >>> Secondly, you have simplified and distorted many of our positions,
>> >>> presumably to further your own political agenda. It is a falsehood
>> >>> to say that we ask for no accommodations and don't want anyone to
>> >>> accept any. On the whole we do believe in only asking for those
>> >>> accommodations that are truly necessary, and different people and
>> >>> different groups will disagree about what is necessary. However,
>> >>> this is not a basis for your ridiculous statements.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave
>> >>>
>> >>> At 05:55 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the
>> blind,
>> >>> deaf
>> >>> >and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC
>> >>> >Advisory
>> >>> >Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind
>> Task
>> >>> >Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
>> >>> really
>> >>> >are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
>> >>> internet
>> >>> >access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
>> >>> access
>> >>> >to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So
>> >>> >let's
>> >>> >all
>> >>> >lobby."
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member
>> >>> >on
>> >>> >an
>> >>> NFB
>> >>> >list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd!
>> >>> >Not
>> >>> >to
>> >>> >mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB
>> >>> >stands
>> >>> >for.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are
>> >>> >just
>> >>> >like any sighted person, without requiring any special
>> >>> >accomodations.
>> >>> After
>> >>> >all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able
>> to
>> >>> ride
>> >>> >city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing
>> an
>> >>> 80%
>> >>> >unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so
>> >>> >would
>> >>> >make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can
>> >>> >see,
>> >>> >perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could
>> be
>> >>> >further from the truth, could it?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than
>> sighted
>> >>> >people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better
>> than
>> >>> >them, too!
>> >>> >
>> >>> >That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure
>> that
>> >>> no
>> >>> >blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
>> >>> advantages,
>> >>> >like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when
>> the
>> >>> >light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own.
>> >>> >And
>> >>> >those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never
>> having
>> >>> >to
>> >>> >ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
>> >>> people
>> >>> >running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter,
>> >>> >won't
>> >>> we?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to
>> prove
>> >>> that
>> >>> >being blind is better than being sighted.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our
>> >>> >canes
>> >>> to
>> >>> >poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
>> >>> himself,
>> >>> >with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great
>> >>> >idea!
>> >>> What
>> >>> >a role model for all of us!
>> >>> >
>> >>> >The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and
>> not
>> >>> >everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there
>> wasn't
>> >>> an
>> >>> >NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >_______________________________________________
>> >>> >Nfb-seniors mailing list
>> >>> >Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>> >>>
>> >>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Nfb-seniors mailing list
>> >>> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>> >>> *****************************************
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
>> >> Member: NFB Communication Council
>> >> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
>> >> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
>> >> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963,
>> pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> >> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
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>> >>
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>> >
>> >
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>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:18:11 -0800
>> From: "Paul Leung" <paulleung at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] There's Nothing 'Super' About It
>> To: "'NFB Senior Division list'" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <002b01c878bd$180741e0$0400a8c0 at SonyNotebook>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> ...hear hear hear...
>> Everett, well said and all truth.
>> Paul Leung
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
>> nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Everett Gavel
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:15 AM
>> To: NFB Senior Division list
>> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] There's Nothing 'Super' About It
>>
>> Hello "Pink," and All,
>>
>> Pink, please, stop being so silly. There is nothing
>> "super" about it. It's common-sense, or, common
>> senses.
>>
>> Horseback riding is as easy as you let it be, as are
>> many of the other things you share with sarcasm below.
>> If you could get past the wall of sarcasm you have put
>> up as one of your defenses, you might actually get to
>> enjoy life a little. But as long as you keep putting
>> blindness first, and making it the showstopper you seem
>> to, it will of course hold you back. Just as a bum leg
>> might, or a wheelchair might, or being a girl rather
>> than a guy might, for some people. Whatever you let
>> hold you back, surely will. It is not blindness that
>> stops you from giving it a go. It's one's atitude,
>> plain and simple. If you want something bad enough,
>> you'll find a way to get it, or to achieve it. But
>> everyone reading this knows, as do you, that it's of
>> course much simpler, easier, to sit back and share
>> sarcasm about it instead. Talking is always easier
>> than trying. That's not NFB-jargon or hype. That's a
>> simple reality.
>>
>> Now, Pink, for the record, there are many blind people
>> that are equestrian fanatics and enthusiasts around the
>> world. There are many in our own nation of course, but
>> if you go to www.BlindCoolTech.com, I believe you can
>> listen to a podcast from a blind man in Africa who has
>> his own horse farm.
>>
>> If you ever choose to begin simply reading up a little
>> more on your own rather than wasting time sharing silly
>> sarcasm, I recommend starting with the numerous
>> articles that come through the Blind News Mailing List
>> at http://geoffandwen.com/blind/ - there you'll find
>> more than 22,000 archived articles sharing the simple
>> truths of blindness with you, with more being published
>> in newspapers and magazines almost daily. And it's not
>> an NFB list, I'm sure you'll be happy to hear. It's
>> simply a list that appears to aggregate all articles
>> published, which positively or negatively discuss any
>> aspect of blindness.
>>
>> By reading up a little, you'll find there are of course
>> blind pilots out there flying, blind sailors out there
>> sailing--including one down in the Ft. Myers, Florida
>> region that is planning a round-the-world solo-sailing
>> trip as we now speak. He is also a blind, certified,
>> scuba diver.
>>
>> Additionally, Pink, the United States Association of
>> Blind Athletes (USABA) can teach you about many of the
>> sports you sarcastically mention wishing you could play
>> as a blind person. As I said, the only thing holding
>> you back, holding us back, is our attitude, truly.
>>
>> At www.usaba.org, you can learn about the sports and
>> players playing: Athletics, Cycling, Goalball, Judo,
>> Powerlifting, downhill and cross-country skiing,
>> Swimming, Wrestling, and Football. There are also
>> "Emerging Athlete Training Camps," if interested.
>> USABA also offers beginner camps for those interested
>> in learning how to ski, how to play goalball, and how
>> to start cycling.
>>
>> As for golfing, I could teach you that, though I'm a
>> bit of a slacker and my game is definitely not one
>> worth teaching these days. But there are plenty of
>> golfers who are blind. I hope that one day you'll be
>> one of them. There are whole associations devoted to
>> blind golfers.
>>
>> I don't consider this message a waste of time, even
>> though I doubt you'll take it seriously. I'm writing
>> this more for the many others who will be able to read
>> this for years to come thanks to the Internet, Pink.
>> But maybe, just maybe, God will enlighten you a bit
>> too. I'm praying for it. As for fishing, that's just
>> too simple to really deserve a response. Why would you
>> think a blind person could not fish? Do you also need
>> help finding the TP after you go to the bathroom? I
>> mean, seriously, come on. You do *not* need sight for
>> many things people just assume you do, before they
>> actually use some common sense and think about the
>> processes involved. I get this from 3rd and 4th
>> Graders all the time when talking with them in their
>> classrooms. They ask, how do you feed yourself? Or
>> how do you find your way around your house? From them
>> I expect it. They're kids and they're learning. But
>> from you it's pure sarcasm and a lack of understanding.
>> More pointedly, a lack of wanting to understand.
>> Fishing is fishing, Pink. You don't need to see the
>> hook and the weight, or the bobber if using one, to
>> know which is which. You don't need to see the shrimp
>> down in the water to grab one and hook it. You don't
>> need to see the fish under the water to catch
>> it--though many do 'cheat' and use those fish-finders.
>> (smile)
>>
>> As for reading details on any document, such as the
>> contracts you mention, either find yourself a 'reader'
>> to help, or scan them into a computer and read them
>> yourself. There's not a scanner out there I don't
>> believe, that doesn't come with free OCR text-to-speech
>> software included. As for that, though, and needing a
>> reader, all my life I've heard recommendations for
>> people to bring them to their lawyers anyway. So
>> there's a reader for you, sighted or blind. (smile)
>>
>> Now, as for saling, sailing can be taught to you, as it
>> is many other blind individuals, at places like the
>> Cleveland Sight Center (www.clevelandsightcenter.org).
>> At the CSC it is taught each Spring on Lake Erie. I
>> know it's also taught at other facilities, to blind
>> people, around the nation.
>>
>> It's not so hard, for one that wants to learn a little,
>> and live a little. It is going to be harder, of
>> course, for those persons who choose to stay at home
>> and merely share sarcasm and negativity by phone or via
>> e-mail. Make the right choice, Pink. Make the better
>> choice. And God bless your efforts.
>>
>>
>> To A More Fulfilling, Enjoyable Life!
>> Everett
>> www.everettgavel.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <pinkhawaii at gmail.com>
>>
>> > Dear very few answering members. Congratulations that
>> > you overcame your
>> > blindness and became better than the sighted!
>> > Maybe you can teach me to play tennis or golf again,
>> > to get my pilots
>> > license back, even to get my drivers license back
>> > would be a great help,
>> > teach me how to use my sail boat again or go surfing,
>> > scuba diving and
>> > fishing. I like to go skiing again or go horseback
>> > riding, to write
>> > contracts and read the fine print, to go hunting or
>> > just finding a nice girl
>> > friend who does not mind my blindness and being hard
>> > of hearing. Please let
>> > me see an Opera, an Operetta, or just enjoy any
>> > show or movie again. I
>> > enjoyed sled riding, Ice skating, ping pong and
>> > volley ball. I did all of
>> > that quite well, but now I must find a super teacher
>> > from the NFB like
>> > YOU!!! Who pays you to spread those rumors of our
>> > blind capability,
>> > enpowerment and blind superiority!!!
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nfb-seniors mailing list
>> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:32:57 -0500
>> From: "seville allen" <ceoallen at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>> To: "'NFB Senior Division list'" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <002b01c878c7$89687b10$0201a8c0 at Allen>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> I cannot pretend to know why you send these posts which come across,
>> electronically, as from a bitter, feeling sorry for oneself. If you want
>> to, you can live again and do things which you once did.
>> Blindness is something which can be difficult to adjust to since our
>> society
>> tells us that if we are blind, we are basically useless.
>> However, you can open yourself to those of us on this list who are not
>> bitter, who live productive lives and do the things we want regardless of
>> our blindness.
>> Many others have reached out to you on this list, and I read your
>> messages
>> as continuations of your self pitty.
>> I hope you can learn from us and begin to change your idea of what
>> blindness
>> can be.
>> No, we are not better than our sighted colleagues; we only insist that we
>> be
>> judged by the content of our character and not by our visual acuity.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
>> nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:47 AM
>> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>>
>> Dear very few answering members. Congratulations that you overcame your
>> blindness and became better than the sighted!
>> Maybe you can teach me to play tennis or golf again, to get my pilots
>> license back, even to get my drivers license back would be a great help,
>> teach me how to use my sail boat again or go surfing, scuba diving and
>> fishing. I like to go skiing again or go horseback riding, to write
>> contracts and read the fine print, to go hunting or just finding a nice
>> girl
>> friend who does not mind my blindness and being hard of hearing. Please
>> let
>> me see an Opera, an Operetta, or just enjoy any show or movie again. I
>> enjoyed sled riding, Ice skating, ping pong and volley ball. I did all of
>> that quite well, but now I must find a super teacher from the NFB like
>> YOU!!! Who pays you to spread those rumors of our blind capability,
>> enpowerment and blind superiority!!!
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2008 8:00 AM, <nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
>> > nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> >
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>> >
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>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> > 1. (no subject) (pinkhawaii at gmail.com)
>> > 2. Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (George Cassell)
>> > 3. Re: Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (David Andrews)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:12:24 -1000
>> > From: pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> > Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
>> > To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <df633d8a0802141312t75b14161k2806986a3444bdeb at mail.gmail.com>
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>> >
>> > Dear Seniors:
>> > If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a
>> > percent
>> > are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then let's all
>> > lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is not
>> > our
>> > job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the
>> 90%
>> > have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those
>> > programs
>> > do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive.
>> Without
>> > free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen
>> are
>> > useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute
>> > by
>> > the
>> > FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby
>> > and
>> > please keep this website simple like direct email without all the
>> > confusing
>> > instructions.
>> > My love of aloha to all,
>> > Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> > Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
>> > Member: NFB Communication Council
>> > and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
>> > Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
>> > Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> > 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>> > -------------- next part --------------
>> > Dear Seniors:
>> > If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a
>> > percent are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then
>> let's
>> > all lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is
>> > not
>> our
>> > job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the
>> 90%
>> > have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those
>> programs
>> > do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive.
>> Without
>> > free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen
>> are
>> > useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute
>> > by
>> the
>> > FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby
>> > and
>> > please keep this website simple like direct email without all the
>> confusing
>> > instructions.
>> > My love of aloha to all,
>> > Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> > --
>> > Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> > Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
>> > Member: NFB Communication Council
>> > and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
>> > Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
>> > Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, mailto:
>> > pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> > 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:55:56 -0800
>> > From: "George Cassell" <apolloseven at earthlink.net>
>> > Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
>> > To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> > Message-ID: <001701c86f65$2449b750$5e27cb40 at D2J7LK21>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> >
>> > Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind,
>> > deaf
>> > and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
>> > Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
>> > Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
>> really
>> > are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
>> > internet
>> > access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
>> access
>> > to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's
>> all
>> > lobby."
>> >
>> >
>> > I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on
>> > an
>> > NFB
>> > list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not
>> > to
>> > mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB
>> stands
>> > for.
>> >
>> > Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are
>> > just
>> > like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
>> > After
>> > all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able to
>> > ride
>> > city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an
>> 80%
>> > unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so
>> > would
>> > make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
>> > perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could be
>> > further from the truth, could it?
>> >
>> > Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
>> > people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
>> > them, too!
>> >
>> > That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that
>> no
>> > blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
>> > advantages,
>> > like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
>> > light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own.
>> And
>> > those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having
>> to
>> > ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
>> > people
>> > running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter,
>> > won't
>> > we?
>> >
>> > I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to prove
>> > that
>> > being blind is better than being sighted.
>> >
>> > In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our
>> > canes
>> > to
>> > poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
>> himself,
>> > with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
>> > What
>> > a role model for all of us!
>> >
>> > The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and not
>> > everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there wasn't
>> an
>> > NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>> >
>> > If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:55:23 -0600
>> > From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no
>> > subject)
>> > To: NFB Senior Division list <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> > Message-ID: <auto-000037681797 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>> >
>> > While my better judgment tells me I shouldn't respond I am going to
>> > anyway.
>> >
>> > First, if we are so crazy, why are you on one of our lists.
>> >
>> > Secondly, you have simplified and distorted many of our positions,
>> > presumably to further your own political agenda. It is a falsehood
>> > to say that we ask for no accommodations and don't want anyone to
>> > accept any. On the whole we do believe in only asking for those
>> > accommodations that are truly necessary, and different people and
>> > different groups will disagree about what is necessary. However,
>> > this is not a basis for your ridiculous statements.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > At 05:55 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:
>> >
>> > >Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind,
>> > deaf
>> > >and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
>> > >Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
>> > >Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
>> > really
>> > >are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
>> > internet
>> > >access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
>> > access
>> > >to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's
>> all
>> > >lobby."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on
>> an
>> > NFB
>> > >list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not
>> to
>> > >mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB
>> stands
>> > >for.
>> > >
>> > >Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are
>> just
>> > >like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
>> > After
>> > >all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able
>> > >to
>> > ride
>> > >city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an
>> > 80%
>> > >unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so
>> would
>> > >make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
>> > >perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could
>> > >be
>> > >further from the truth, could it?
>> > >
>> > >Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than
>> > >sighted
>> > >people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better
>> > >than
>> > >them, too!
>> > >
>> > >That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure
>> > >that
>> > no
>> > >blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
>> > advantages,
>> > >like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when
>> > >the
>> > >light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own.
>> And
>> > >those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having
>> to
>> > >ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
>> > people
>> > >running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter,
>> won't
>> > we?
>> > >
>> > >I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to
>> > >prove
>> > that
>> > >being blind is better than being sighted.
>> > >
>> > >In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our
>> canes
>> > to
>> > >poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
>> > himself,
>> > >with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
>> > What
>> > >a role model for all of us!
>> > >
>> > >The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and
>> > >not
>> > >everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there
>> > >wasn't
>> > an
>> > >NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>> > >
>> > >If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >_______________________________________________
>> > >Nfb-seniors mailing list
>> > >Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>> >
>> > David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>> >
>> >
>> > End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>> > *****************************************
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
>> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
>> Member: NFB Communication Council
>> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
>> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
>> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, pinkhawaii at gmail.com
>> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:53:43 -0800
>> From: "George Cassell" <apolloseven at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Dealing with blindness. Was: Re: Nfb-seniors
>> Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <001101c878ca$6ff87560$5e27cb40 at D2J7LK21>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> The only thing blind people need to remember, is that blindness is merely
>> a
>> minor inconvenience, and being able to read Braille will put you in touch
>> with the world. Other than that, belonging to the NFB will solve all of
>> your problems.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:13:54 -0500
>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Dealing with blindness. Was: Re:
>> Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
>> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <00bb01c878ee$d02e6470$6402a8c0 at DBSWP0243CCA1>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>>
>> Dear George,
>>
>> I disagree that just being a member of the NFB will answer all of your
>> problems, but I do think that embracing the NFB philosophy likely will.
>> There are three things that all People With Disabilities need to have in
>> order to be successful.
>> The first is a good positive Attitude. You need to learn how, when life
>> gives you lemons, how to make lemonade by turning those negatives into
>> positives.
>> The second thing you need is access to good rehab training, adaptive
>> equipment and good information.
>> The last thing you need to have is to know someone else who has that
>> disability but knows more about it than you do.
>> The attitude is up to me. The access to rehab, equipment and info is a
>> combo of me, state rehab services and looking for good info sources.
>> The thing that the NFB has provided me with is the best role models and
>> mentors of all of the organizations I have sot out.
>>
>> I know that when confronted with a situation or problem. My first
>> thought
>> is not about being blind. It is how can I do this and what do I need in
>> order to do it successfully. Blindness comes in there somewhere, but it
>> is
>> not my first thought, it is just something that is in the mix along with
>> other considerations.
>> As for Pink's list of things he would like to do, I have done them all
>> plus
>> a few others including sky diving with 237 jumps.
>> I even drove for over 20 years after I became legally blind. I did have
>> the
>> sense to stop when I knew that I could not do it safely anymore.
>> Now I am writing and thinking how one day soon, we will have cars that
>> will
>> drive themselves and the Blind will have them too. I am Working to that
>> end
>> right now.
>> When I worked for Lockheed, the company motto was," the difficult we do
>> immediately. The impossible just takes a little longer."
>> David Evans, NFBF
>> Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer
>> Builder of the Lunar Rovers and the F-117-A Stealth Fighter
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "George Cassell" <apolloseven at earthlink.net>
>> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:53 PM
>> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Dealing with blindness. Was: Re: Nfb-seniors
>> Digest,Vol 3, Issue 6
>>
>>
>> > The only thing blind people need to remember, is that blindness is
>> merely
>> > a
>> > minor inconvenience, and being able to read Braille will put you in
>> touch
>> > with the world. Other than that, belonging to the NFB will solve all
>> > of
>> > your problems.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
>> > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nfb-seniors mailing list
>> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>>
>>
>> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15
>> ******************************************
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
> Member: NFB Communication Council
> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>
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