[Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
pinkhawaii at gmail.com
pinkhawaii at gmail.com
Mon Feb 25 23:47:08 CST 2008
Dear very few answering members. Congratulations that you overcame your
blindness and became better than the sighted!
Maybe you can teach me to play tennis or golf again, to get my pilots
license back, even to get my drivers license back would be a great help,
teach me how to use my sail boat again or go surfing, scuba diving and
fishing. I like to go skiing again or go horseback riding, to write
contracts and read the fine print, to go hunting or just finding a nice girl
friend who does not mind my blindness and being hard of hearing. Please let
me see an Opera, an Operetta, or just enjoy any show or movie again. I
enjoyed sled riding, Ice skating, ping pong and volley ball. I did all of
that quite well, but now I must find a super teacher from the NFB like
YOU!!! Who pays you to spread those rumors of our blind capability,
enpowerment and blind superiority!!!
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> 3. Re: Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (David Andrews)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:12:24 -1000
> From: pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
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> Dear Seniors:
> If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a
> percent
> are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then let's all
> lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is not our
> job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the 90%
> have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those
> programs
> do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive. Without
> free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are
> useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute by
> the
> FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby and
> please keep this website simple like direct email without all the
> confusing
> instructions.
> My love of aloha to all,
> Heinz-Guenther Pink
>
> --
> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
> Member: NFB Communication Council
> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
> -------------- next part --------------
> Dear Seniors:
> If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a
> percent are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then let's
> all lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is not our
> job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the 90%
> have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those programs
> do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive. Without
> free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are
> useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute by the
> FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby and
> please keep this website simple like direct email without all the confusing
> instructions.
> My love of aloha to all,
> Heinz-Guenther Pink
> --
> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
> Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
> Member: NFB Communication Council
> and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
> Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
> Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, mailto:
> pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
> 410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:55:56 -0800
> From: "George Cassell" <apolloseven at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <001701c86f65$2449b750$5e27cb40 at D2J7LK21>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind,
> deaf
> and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
> Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
> Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we really
> are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
> internet
> access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed access
> to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's all
> lobby."
>
>
> I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on an
> NFB
> list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not to
> mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB stands
> for.
>
> Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are just
> like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
> After
> all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able to
> ride
> city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an 80%
> unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so would
> make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
> perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could be
> further from the truth, could it?
>
> Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
> people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
> them, too!
>
> That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that no
> blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
> advantages,
> like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
> light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own. And
> those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having to
> ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
> people
> running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter, won't
> we?
>
> I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to prove
> that
> being blind is better than being sighted.
>
> In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our canes
> to
> poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to himself,
> with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
> What
> a role model for all of us!
>
> The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and not
> everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there wasn't an
> NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>
> If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:55:23 -0600
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no
> subject)
> To: NFB Senior Division list <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <auto-000037681797 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> While my better judgment tells me I shouldn't respond I am going to
> anyway.
>
> First, if we are so crazy, why are you on one of our lists.
>
> Secondly, you have simplified and distorted many of our positions,
> presumably to further your own political agenda. It is a falsehood
> to say that we ask for no accommodations and don't want anyone to
> accept any. On the whole we do believe in only asking for those
> accommodations that are truly necessary, and different people and
> different groups will disagree about what is necessary. However,
> this is not a basis for your ridiculous statements.
>
> Dave
>
> At 05:55 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:
>
> >Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind,
> deaf
> >and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
> >Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
> >Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
> really
> >are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
> internet
> >access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
> access
> >to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's all
> >lobby."
> >
> >
> >I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on an
> NFB
> >list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not to
> >mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB stands
> >for.
> >
> >Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are just
> >like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
> After
> >all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able to
> ride
> >city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an
> 80%
> >unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so would
> >make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
> >perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could be
> >further from the truth, could it?
> >
> >Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
> >people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
> >them, too!
> >
> >That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that
> no
> >blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
> advantages,
> >like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
> >light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own. And
> >those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having to
> >ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
> people
> >running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter, won't
> we?
> >
> >I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to prove
> that
> >being blind is better than being sighted.
> >
> >In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our canes
> to
> >poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
> himself,
> >with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
> What
> >a role model for all of us!
> >
> >The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and not
> >everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there wasn't
> an
> >NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
> >
> >If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>
> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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>
> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
> *****************************************
>
--
Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
Member: NFB Communication Council
and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, pinkhawaii at gmail.com
410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
-------------- next part --------------
Dear very few answering members. Congratulations that you overcame your blindness and became better than the sighted!
Maybe you can teach me to play tennis or golf again, to get my pilots license back, even to get my drivers license back would be a great help, teach me how to use my sail boat again or go surfing, scuba diving and fishing. I like to go skiing again or go horseback riding, to write contracts and read the fine print, to go hunting or just finding a nice girl friend who does not mind my blindness and being hard of hearing. Please let me see an Opera, an Operetta, or just enjoy any show or movie again. I enjoyed sled riding, Ice skating, ping pong and volley ball. I did all of that quite well, but now I must find a super teacher from the NFB like YOU!!! Who pays you to spread those rumors of our blind capability, enpowerment and blind superiority!!!
On Feb 15, 2008 8:00 AM, < mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> wrote:
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)
2. Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (George Cassell)
3. Re: Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (David Andrews)
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:12:24 -1000
From: mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
Subject: [Nfb-seniors] (no subject)
To: mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
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Dear Seniors:
If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a percent
are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then let's all
lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is not our
job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the 90%
have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those programs
do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive. Without
free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are
useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute by the
FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby and
please keep this website simple like direct email without all the confusing
instructions.
My love of aloha to all,
Heinz-Guenther Pink
--
Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
Member: NFB Communication Council
and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
-------------- next part --------------
Dear Seniors:
If the Nfb has more then 50,000 members, only less than 1/10th of a percent are using email? If we really are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed internet access and not say that it is not our job. Only 10% of the legally blind cannot see anything at all but the 90% have at least some vision to function with Zoom text or Jaws. Those programs do not only enlarge but also read to us whatever email we receive. Without free high speed access to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. Yet, video relay services are subsidized at $7.00 per minute by the FCC for the minority of only 10% of totally deaf. So let's all lobby and please keep this website simple like direct email without all the confusing instructions.
My love of aloha to all,
Heinz-Guenther Pink
--
Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
Member: NFB Communication Council
and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, mailto: mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:55:56 -0800
From: "George Cassell" < mailto:apolloseven at earthlink.net apolloseven at earthlink.net
>
Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
Message-ID: <001701c86f65$2449b750$5e27cb40 at D2J7LK21>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf
and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we really
are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed internet
access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed access
to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's all
lobby."
I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on an NFB
list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not to
mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB stands
for.
Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are just
like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations. After
all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able to ride
city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an 80%
unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so would
make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could be
further from the truth, could it?
Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
them, too!
That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that no
blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or advantages,
like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own. And
those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having to
ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind people
running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter, won't we?
I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to prove that
being blind is better than being sighted.
In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our canes to
poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to himself,
with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea! What
a role model for all of us!
The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and not
everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there wasn't an
NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:55:23 -0600
From: David Andrews < mailto:dandrews at visi.com dandrews at visi.com
>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no
subject)
To: NFB Senior Division list < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
Message-ID: < mailto:auto-000037681797 at mailfront1.g2host.com auto-000037681797 at mailfront1.g2host.com
>
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While my better judgment tells me I shouldn't respond I am going to anyway.
First, if we are so crazy, why are you on one of our lists.
Secondly, you have simplified and distorted many of our positions,
presumably to further your own political agenda. It is a falsehood
to say that we ask for no accommodations and don't want anyone to
accept any. On the whole we do believe in only asking for those
accommodations that are truly necessary, and different people and
different groups will disagree about what is necessary. However,
this is not a basis for your ridiculous statements.
Dave
At 05:55 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:
>Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf
>and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
>Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
>Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we really
>are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed internet
>access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed access
>to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's all
>lobby."
>
>
>I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on an NFB
>list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not to
>mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB stands
>for.
>
>Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are just
>like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations. After
>all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able to ride
>city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an 80%
>unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so would
>make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
>perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could be
>further from the truth, could it?
>
>Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
>people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
>them, too!
>
>That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that no
>blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or advantages,
>like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
>light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own. And
>those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having to
>ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind people
>running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter, won't we?
>
>I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to prove that
>being blind is better than being sighted.
>
>In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our canes to
>poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to himself,
>with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea! What
>a role model for all of us!
>
>The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and not
>everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there wasn't an
>NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>
>If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Nfb-seniors mailing list
> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
David Andrews and white cane Harry.
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End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
*****************************************
--
Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
Member: NFB Communication Council
and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
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