[Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8
pinkhawaii at gmail.com
pinkhawaii at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 02:23:52 CST 2008
Finally I got a conversation started, even though it is only with a group of
insiders who only pretend to be the voice of the blind of maybe five. They
advocate that we, the blind do not deserve free bus service, free Internet
service or any service like Zoom Text etc. Do they really believe that
elderly blind should be killed at the traffic lights when crossing the
streets? I do not believe that those statement are from any blind or
handicapped. I love You All with Aloha hg
On Feb 17, 2008 8:00 AM, <nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (David Evans)
> 2. Re: Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (Jane Withers)
> 3. Fwd: Volunteer Service in Africa and Asia (David Andrews)
> 4. Re: Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
> (Everett Gavel)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:51:43 -0500
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no
> subject)
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <000301c870fb$d09c3720$6402a8c0 at DBSWP0243CCA1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>
> Dear David,
>
> Iagree with your post to this man in Hawaii,
> He doesn't know what he is talking about and he has twisted everything
> into
> a cocked hat.
> I am a senior and I have allot of things to put after my name too as to my
> expertise too, but them most know me already.
> I would just say that this man is in the wrong place spouting
> misinformation
> and trying to blame the NFB for everything that , in his opinion, is wrong
> with the world and the NFB is standing in the way of that better world for
> him.
>
> I will leave him with an old Hawaiian saying.
> "May Palai pay your home a visit and take you with her when she leaves."
>
> David Evans, NFBF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
>
>
> > While my better judgment tells me I shouldn't respond I am going to
> > anyway.
> >
> > First, if we are so crazy, why are you on one of our lists.
> >
> > Secondly, you have simplified and distorted many of our positions,
> > presumably to further your own political agenda. It is a falsehood
> > to say that we ask for no accommodations and don't want anyone to
> > accept any. On the whole we do believe in only asking for those
> > accommodations that are truly necessary, and different people and
> > different groups will disagree about what is necessary. However,
> > this is not a basis for your ridiculous statements.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 05:55 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >>Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind,
> >>deaf
> >>and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
> >>Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
> >>Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
> really
> >>are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
> >>internet
> >>access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
> access
> >>to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's
> all
> >>lobby."
> >>
> >>
> >>I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on an
> >>NFB
> >>list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not to
> >>mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB
> stands
> >>for.
> >>
> >>Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are just
> >>like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
> >>After
> >>all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able to
> >>ride
> >>city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an
> 80%
> >>unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so would
> >>make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
> >>perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could be
> >>further from the truth, could it?
> >>
> >>Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
> >>people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
> >>them, too!
> >>
> >>That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that
> no
> >>blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
> >>advantages,
> >>like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
> >>light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own.
> And
> >>those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having
> to
> >>ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
> >>people
> >>running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter, won't
> >>we?
> >>
> >>I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to prove
> >>that
> >>being blind is better than being sighted.
> >>
> >>In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our canes
> >>to
> >>poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
> himself,
> >>with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
> >>What
> >>a role model for all of us!
> >>
> >>The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and not
> >>everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there wasn't
> an
> >>NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
> >>
> >>If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >>Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >
> > David Andrews and white cane Harry.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:13:24 -0600
> From: "Jane Withers" <pitre4 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no
> subject)
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <002301c87102$4b8e7640$710edb48 at jane>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Haven't we been paying taxes for years for special accommodations for the
> deaf?
> It might be nice to get something in return for our group this time.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
>
>
> >
> > Dear David,
> >
> > Iagree with your post to this man in Hawaii,
> > He doesn't know what he is talking about and he has twisted everything
> > into
> > a cocked hat.
> > I am a senior and I have allot of things to put after my name too as to
> my
> > expertise too, but them most know me already.
> > I would just say that this man is in the wrong place spouting
> > misinformation
> > and trying to blame the NFB for everything that , in his opinion, is
> wrong
> > with the world and the NFB is standing in the way of that better world
> for
> > him.
> >
> > I will leave him with an old Hawaiian saying.
> > "May Palai pay your home a visit and take you with her when she leaves."
> >
> > David Evans, NFBF
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> > To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
> >
> >
> >> While my better judgment tells me I shouldn't respond I am going to
> >> anyway.
> >>
> >> First, if we are so crazy, why are you on one of our lists.
> >>
> >> Secondly, you have simplified and distorted many of our positions,
> >> presumably to further your own political agenda. It is a falsehood
> >> to say that we ask for no accommodations and don't want anyone to
> >> accept any. On the whole we do believe in only asking for those
> >> accommodations that are truly necessary, and different people and
> >> different groups will disagree about what is necessary. However,
> >> this is not a basis for your ridiculous statements.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> At 05:55 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:
> >>
> >>>Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind,
> >>>deaf
> >>>and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
> >>>Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
> >>>Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
> >>>really
> >>>are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
> >>>internet
> >>>access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
> >>>access
> >>>to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's
> all
> >>>lobby."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on
> an
> >>>NFB
> >>>list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not
> to
> >>>mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB
> stands
> >>>for.
> >>>
> >>>Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are
> just
> >>>like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
> >>>After
> >>>all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able to
> >>>ride
> >>>city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an
> >>>80%
> >>>unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so
> would
> >>>make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
> >>>perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could be
> >>>further from the truth, could it?
> >>>
> >>>Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
> >>>people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
> >>>them, too!
> >>>
> >>>That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that
> >>>no
> >>>blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
> >>>advantages,
> >>>like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
> >>>light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own.
> And
> >>>those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having
> to
> >>>ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
> >>>people
> >>>running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter,
> won't
> >>>we?
> >>>
> >>>I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to prove
> >>>that
> >>>being blind is better than being sighted.
> >>>
> >>>In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our
> canes
> >>>to
> >>>poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
> >>>himself,
> >>>with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
> >>>What
> >>>a role model for all of us!
> >>>
> >>>The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and not
> >>>everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there wasn't
> >>>an
> >>>NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
> >>>
> >>>If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >>>Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >>
> >> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> >> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nfb-seniors mailing list
> > Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:00:43 -0600
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Fwd: Volunteer Service in Africa and Asia
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org, nabs-l at nfbnet.org, nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org,
> nfb-announce at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <auto-000037849077 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
>
> >
> >Please forward widely.
> >
> >Unite For Sight Volunteer Abroad Opportunities:
> >As Featured Weekly On CNN International and Recently in NY Times
> >
> >Volunteer Abroad in Summer, Fall, Winter, or
> >Spring:
> ><
> http://slate.technolutions.com/go?b92730e6b0a14f279022bd6304994f3e&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.uniteforsight.org%2fintl_volunteer
> >http://www.uniteforsight.org/intl_volunteer
> >
> >WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF VOLUNTEERS LIKE YOU,
> >UNITE FOR SIGHT RESTORED SIGHT TO 10,062
> >PATIENTS AND PROVIDED EYE CARE TO 300,000 IN 2006 AND 2007
> >
> >How Do I Apply? The application as well as
> >complete details about Unite For Sight's
> >international opportunities are available at
> ><
> http://slate.technolutions.com/go?b92730e6b0a14f279022bd6304994f3e&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.uniteforsight.org%2fintl_volunteer%2f
> >http://www.uniteforsight.org/intl_volunteer/
> >
> >Who Is Eligible To Volunteer Abroad?: Volunteers
> >are 18 years and older, and there is no upper
> >age limit. Volunteers range from
> >undergraduate/college students to medical and
> >optometry students, public health students and
> >professionals, business students, filmmakers and
> >photographers, nurses and nursing students,
> >physician's assistants, teachers and educators,
> >opticians, optometrists and ophthalmologists.
> >
> >What is Unite For Sight's Mission? Unite For
> >Sight is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that
> >empowers communities worldwide to improve eye
> >health and eliminate preventable blindness.
> >
> >Unite For Sight's work to prevent blindness and
> >restore sight is featured weekly on CNN
> >INTERNATIONAL from September 2007-August 2008.
> >
> >What Do Volunteers Do?: Volunteers receive
> >hands-on clinical experience while assisting
> >doctors in remote, rural villages. Volunteers
> >learn about international health and eye care,
> >learn clinical skills while working with
> >patients and doctors, and, in one program
> >location, have an opportunity to practice cataract surgery on a goat's
> eye.
> >
> >The goal of Unite For Sight and its partner eye
> >clinics and communities is to create eye
> >disease-free communities. Unite For Sight?s
> >volunteers (local and visiting) work with
> >partner eye clinics to provide eye care in
> >communities without previous access. The eye
> >clinic?s eye doctors and Unite For Sight
> >volunteers jointly provide community-based
> >screening programs in rural villages. The
> >clinic?s eye doctors diagnose and treat eye
> >disease in the field, and surgical patients are
> >brought to the eye clinic for surgery. Patients
> >receive free surgery funded by Unite For Sight
> >so that no patient remains blind due to lack of
> >funds. Volunteers immediately see the joy on
> >patients' faces when their sight is restored
> >after years of blindness. These memories last a lifetime.
> >
> >While helping the community, volunteers are in a
> >position to witness and draw their own
> >conclusions about the failures and inequities of
> >global health systems. It broadens their view of
> >what works, and what role they can have to
> >insure a health system that works for everyone
> >and that leaves no person blind in the future.
> >
> >What Do Volunteers Say?:
> >
> >?During my volunteering experience, I realized
> >that Unite for Sight?s service is a campaign for
> >the salvation of humanity that allows the light
> >of compassion to shine through each of us. I
> >believe it is this display of altruism and
> >commitment that makes the organization?s service
> >so virtuous and treasured by both volunteers and
> >patients. After all, making a difference in the
> >world is not so difficult if only one would care
> >enough to sacrifice a part of oneself in order
> >to change the world for the better. My
> >experience as a Unite for Sight volunteer has
> >inspired me to dedicate my future career to
> >serving underprivileged communities around the
> >world.??Chiwing ?Jessica? Qu, Yale University
> >Undergraduate Student, Unite For Sight Volunteer in Chennai, India
> >
> >"I can honestly say that everything I learned in
> >3 years of medical school paled in comparison to
> >the 3 week experience I had in Accra (Ghana) in
> >October 2007 as part of Unite For Sight. The
> >program provides volunteers with a unique and
> >hands-on involvement ? being able to help out to
> >the level of your training and comfort. My
> >experience taught me that Ghanaian people are
> >the friendliest people I have interacted with
> >anywhere in the world, that ordinary people
> >involved with Unite For Sight are making
> >extraordinary differences, and that sitting in a
> >classroom receiving a world-class education
> >cannot match real life experiences while
> >volunteering."--Varun Verma, UMDNJ Medical
> >Student, Unite For Sight Volunteer in Accra, Ghana
> >
> >"While in Ghana, I worked with an
> >ophthalmologist (Dr. James Clarke), two eye
> >nurses (Robert Dolo, Kartee Karloweah), an
> >assistant (Bismark Boryor), and a coordinator
> >(Seth). Working with the Unite for Sight team on
> >these outreaches in service to these wonderful
> >people of Ghana was the single most rewarding
> >work I've done in my life. The people of Ghana
> >are some of the friendliest and most thankful of
> >anyone I have ever met. Overall, the experience
> >has changed the way I view the world, my own
> >country, and my role in the world forever. The
> >only way to understand the way 4/5 of the world
> >lives is to go yourself and get involved. The
> >staff I worked with that are the heart and soul
> >of Unite for Sight in Accra were some of the
> >brightest and hard working individuals I have
> >ever met. They are accomplishing feats few ever
> >accomplish in their lives, and I am truly
> >blessed to have had the opportunity to work with
> >them and now call them my friends. I look
> >forward to future work with Unite for Sight as
> >an Ophthalmologist. The task at hand in Ghana,
> >and I'm sure in all of Unite for Sight's
> >locations throughout the world, is enormous. The
> >more people that get involved, the more
> >accessible services will be to these wonderful
> >people. Plain and simple, the more we help, the
> >more people can see the world they live
> >in!??Brian Fowler, Medical Student at University
> >of Virginia, Unite For Sight Volunteer in Accra, Ghana
> >
> >Hundreds of volunteer narratives, volunteer
> >diaries, as well as videos of alumni volunteers
> >and partner eye doctors are available on the
> >Unite For Sight website:
> ><
> http://slate.technolutions.com/go?b92730e6b0a14f279022bd6304994f3e&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.uniteforsight.org%2fintl_volunteer
> >http://www.uniteforsight.org/intl_volunteer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:31:09 -0500
> From: "Everett Gavel" <EverettG at SuccessfulAdaptations.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no
> subject)
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <005c01c87160$f97b5df0$de90f44c at IBMB7D6F383D44>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Classy message there, George.
>
>
> Thanks for Helping Us to Recognize Part of the
> Problem,
> Everett
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Cassell" <apolloseven at earthlink.net>
> >
> > I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from
> > an NFB member on an NFB
> > list. Ask the government to subsidize us?
> > Rediculous! Absurd! Not to
> > mention that such a thing goes entirely against
> > everything the NFB stands
> > for.
> >
> > Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the
> > myth that we are just
> > like any sighted person, without requiring any
> > special accomodations. After
> > all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind,
> > stop being able to ride
> > city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we
> > are experiencing an 80%
> > unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to
> > keep doing so would
> > make the blind appear to be somehow different from
> > those who can see,
> > perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment.
> > And nothing could be
> > further from the truth, could it?
> >
> > Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're
> > better than sighted
> > people, able to do everything they can do, and we can
> > do it better than
> > them, too!
> >
> > That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it
> > can to ensure that no
> > blind person should ever have any kind of special
> > priviliges or advantages,
> > like being able to rely on audible crossing signals
> > to tell us when the
> > light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that
> > out on our own. And
> > those who can't, will, of course, be run over and
> > killed, never having to
> > ever worry about such things again. And without such
> > stupid, blind people
> > running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a
> > lot smarter, won't we?
> >
> > I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once
> > again trying to prove that
> > being blind is better than being sighted.
> >
> > In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted
> > people, using our canes to
> > poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis
> > Braille did to himself,
> > with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding
> > himself. Great idea! What
> > a role model for all of us!
> >
> > The only problem is that he stopped with blinding
> > only himself, and not
> > everybody else around him as well. But back then, I
> > guess there wasn't an
> > NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
> >
> > If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>
>
> End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8
> *****************************************
>
--
Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
Member: NFB Communication Council
and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, pinkhawaii at gmail.com
410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
-------------- next part --------------
Finally I got a conversation started, even though it is only with a group of insiders who only pretend to be the voice of the blind of maybe five. They advocate that we, the blind do not deserve free bus service, free Internet service or any service like Zoom Text etc. Do they really believe that elderly blind should be killed at the traffic lights when crossing the streets? I do not believe that those statement are from any blind or handicapped. I love You All with Aloha hg
On Feb 17, 2008 8:00 AM, < mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
> wrote:
Send Nfb-seniors mailing list submissions to
mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
mailto:nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-request at nfbnet.org
You can reach the person managing the list at
mailto:nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors-owner at nfbnet.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Nfb-seniors digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (David Evans)
2. Re: Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject) (Jane Withers)
3. Fwd: Volunteer Service in Africa and Asia (David Andrews)
4. Re: Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
(Everett Gavel)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:51:43 -0500
From: "David Evans" < mailto:drevans at bellsouth.net drevans at bellsouth.net
>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no
subject)
To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
Message-ID: <000301c870fb$d09c3720$6402a8c0 at DBSWP0243CCA1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Dear David,
Iagree with your post to this man in Hawaii,
He doesn't know what he is talking about and he has twisted everything into
a cocked hat.
I am a senior and I have allot of things to put after my name too as to my
expertise too, but them most know me already.
I would just say that this man is in the wrong place spouting misinformation
and trying to blame the NFB for everything that , in his opinion, is wrong
with the world and the NFB is standing in the way of that better world for
him.
I will leave him with an old Hawaiian saying.
"May Palai pay your home a visit and take you with her when she leaves."
David Evans, NFBF
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Andrews" < mailto:dandrews at visi.com dandrews at visi.com
>
To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
> While my better judgment tells me I shouldn't respond I am going to
> anyway.
>
> First, if we are so crazy, why are you on one of our lists.
>
> Secondly, you have simplified and distorted many of our positions,
> presumably to further your own political agenda. It is a falsehood
> to say that we ask for no accommodations and don't want anyone to
> accept any. On the whole we do believe in only asking for those
> accommodations that are truly necessary, and different people and
> different groups will disagree about what is necessary. However,
> this is not a basis for your ridiculous statements.
>
> Dave
>
> At 05:55 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:
>
>>Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind,
>>deaf
>>and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
>>Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
>>Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we really
>>are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
>>internet
>>access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed access
>>to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's all
>>lobby."
>>
>>
>>I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on an
>>NFB
>>list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not to
>>mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB stands
>>for.
>>
>>Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are just
>>like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
>>After
>>all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able to
>>ride
>>city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an 80%
>>unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so would
>>make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
>>perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could be
>>further from the truth, could it?
>>
>>Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
>>people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
>>them, too!
>>
>>That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that no
>>blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
>>advantages,
>>like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
>>light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own. And
>>those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having to
>>ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
>>people
>>running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter, won't
>>we?
>>
>>I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to prove
>>that
>>being blind is better than being sighted.
>>
>>In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our canes
>>to
>>poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to himself,
>>with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
>>What
>>a role model for all of us!
>>
>>The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and not
>>everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there wasn't an
>>NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>>
>>If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Nfb-seniors mailing list
>> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>
> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:13:24 -0600
From: "Jane Withers" < mailto:pitre4 at cox.net pitre4 at cox.net
>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no
subject)
To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
Message-ID: <002301c87102$4b8e7640$710edb48 at jane>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Haven't we been paying taxes for years for special accommodations for the
deaf?
It might be nice to get something in return for our group this time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Evans" < mailto:drevans at bellsouth.net drevans at bellsouth.net
>
To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
>
> Dear David,
>
> Iagree with your post to this man in Hawaii,
> He doesn't know what he is talking about and he has twisted everything
> into
> a cocked hat.
> I am a senior and I have allot of things to put after my name too as to my
> expertise too, but them most know me already.
> I would just say that this man is in the wrong place spouting
> misinformation
> and trying to blame the NFB for everything that , in his opinion, is wrong
> with the world and the NFB is standing in the way of that better world for
> him.
>
> I will leave him with an old Hawaiian saying.
> "May Palai pay your home a visit and take you with her when she leaves."
>
> David Evans, NFBF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" < mailto:dandrews at visi.com dandrews at visi.com
>
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accommodations. Was: Re: (no subject)
>
>
>> While my better judgment tells me I shouldn't respond I am going to
>> anyway.
>>
>> First, if we are so crazy, why are you on one of our lists.
>>
>> Secondly, you have simplified and distorted many of our positions,
>> presumably to further your own political agenda. It is a falsehood
>> to say that we ask for no accommodations and don't want anyone to
>> accept any. On the whole we do believe in only asking for those
>> accommodations that are truly necessary, and different people and
>> different groups will disagree about what is necessary. However,
>> this is not a basis for your ridiculous statements.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 05:55 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>>Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink, Advocate and program evaluator for the blind,
>>>deaf
>>>and handicapped, Member: NFB Communication Council, and ATRC Advisory
>>>Council of the State, Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task
>>>Force, Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, said, "If we
>>>really
>>>are the voice of the blind then let's all lobby for free high speed
>>>internet
>>>access and not say that it is not our job. Without free high speed
>>>access
>>>to the internet the free cameras from Sorensen are useless. So let's all
>>>lobby."
>>>
>>>
>>>I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from an NFB member on an
>>>NFB
>>>list. Ask the government to subsidize us? Rediculous! Absurd! Not to
>>>mention that such a thing goes entirely against everything the NFB stands
>>>for.
>>>
>>>Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the myth that we are just
>>>like any sighted person, without requiring any special accomodations.
>>>After
>>>all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind, stop being able to
>>>ride
>>>city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we are experiencing an
>>>80%
>>>unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to keep doing so would
>>>make the blind appear to be somehow different from those who can see,
>>>perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment. And nothing could be
>>>further from the truth, could it?
>>>
>>>Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're better than sighted
>>>people, able to do everything they can do, and we can do it better than
>>>them, too!
>>>
>>>That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it can to ensure that
>>>no
>>>blind person should ever have any kind of special priviliges or
>>>advantages,
>>>like being able to rely on audible crossing signals to tell us when the
>>>light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that out on our own. And
>>>those who can't, will, of course, be run over and killed, never having to
>>>ever worry about such things again. And without such stupid, blind
>>>people
>>>running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a lot smarter, won't
>>>we?
>>>
>>>I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once again trying to prove
>>>that
>>>being blind is better than being sighted.
>>>
>>>In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted people, using our canes
>>>to
>>>poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis Braille did to
>>>himself,
>>>with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding himself. Great idea!
>>>What
>>>a role model for all of us!
>>>
>>>The only problem is that he stopped with blinding only himself, and not
>>>everybody else around him as well. But back then, I guess there wasn't
>>>an
>>>NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>>>
>>>If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Nfb-seniors mailing list
>>> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>>
>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nfb-seniors mailing list
>> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nfb-seniors mailing list
> mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
>
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:00:43 -0600
From: David Andrews < mailto:dandrews at visi.com dandrews at visi.com
>
Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Fwd: Volunteer Service in Africa and Asia
To: mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
, mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org nabs-l at nfbnet.org
, mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
,
mailto:nfb-announce at nfbnet.org nfb-announce at nfbnet.org
Message-ID: < mailto:auto-000037849077 at mailfront1.g2host.com auto-000037849077 at mailfront1.g2host.com
>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
>Please forward widely.
>
>Unite For Sight Volunteer Abroad Opportunities:
>As Featured Weekly On CNN International and Recently in NY Times
>
>Volunteer Abroad in Summer, Fall, Winter, or
>Spring:
>< http://slate.technolutions.com/go?b92730e6b0a14f279022bd6304994f3e&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.uniteforsight.org%2fintl_volunteer http://slate.technolutions.com/go?b92730e6b0a14f279022bd6304994f3e&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.uniteforsight.org%2fintl_volunteer
> http://www.uniteforsight.org/intl_volunteer http://www.uniteforsight.org/intl_volunteer
>
>WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF VOLUNTEERS LIKE YOU,
>UNITE FOR SIGHT RESTORED SIGHT TO 10,062
>PATIENTS AND PROVIDED EYE CARE TO 300,000 IN 2006 AND 2007
>
>How Do I Apply? The application as well as
>complete details about Unite For Sight's
>international opportunities are available at
>< http://slate.technolutions.com/go?b92730e6b0a14f279022bd6304994f3e&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.uniteforsight.org%2fintl_volunteer%2f http://slate.technolutions.com/go?b92730e6b0a14f279022bd6304994f3e&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.uniteforsight.org%2fintl_volunteer%2f
> http://www.uniteforsight.org/intl_volunteer/ http://www.uniteforsight.org/intl_volunteer/
>
>Who Is Eligible To Volunteer Abroad?: Volunteers
>are 18 years and older, and there is no upper
>age limit. Volunteers range from
>undergraduate/college students to medical and
>optometry students, public health students and
>professionals, business students, filmmakers and
>photographers, nurses and nursing students,
>physician's assistants, teachers and educators,
>opticians, optometrists and ophthalmologists.
>
>What is Unite For Sight's Mission? Unite For
>Sight is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that
>empowers communities worldwide to improve eye
>health and eliminate preventable blindness.
>
>Unite For Sight's work to prevent blindness and
>restore sight is featured weekly on CNN
>INTERNATIONAL from September 2007-August 2008.
>
>What Do Volunteers Do?: Volunteers receive
>hands-on clinical experience while assisting
>doctors in remote, rural villages. Volunteers
>learn about international health and eye care,
>learn clinical skills while working with
>patients and doctors, and, in one program
>location, have an opportunity to practice cataract surgery on a goat's eye.
>
>The goal of Unite For Sight and its partner eye
>clinics and communities is to create eye
>disease-free communities. Unite For Sight?s
>volunteers (local and visiting) work with
>partner eye clinics to provide eye care in
>communities without previous access. The eye
>clinic?s eye doctors and Unite For Sight
>volunteers jointly provide community-based
>screening programs in rural villages. The
>clinic?s eye doctors diagnose and treat eye
>disease in the field, and surgical patients are
>brought to the eye clinic for surgery. Patients
>receive free surgery funded by Unite For Sight
>so that no patient remains blind due to lack of
>funds. Volunteers immediately see the joy on
>patients' faces when their sight is restored
>after years of blindness. These memories last a lifetime.
>
>While helping the community, volunteers are in a
>position to witness and draw their own
>conclusions about the failures and inequities of
>global health systems. It broadens their view of
>what works, and what role they can have to
>insure a health system that works for everyone
>and that leaves no person blind in the future.
>
>What Do Volunteers Say?:
>
>?During my volunteering experience, I realized
>that Unite for Sight?s service is a campaign for
>the salvation of humanity that allows the light
>of compassion to shine through each of us. I
>believe it is this display of altruism and
>commitment that makes the organization?s service
>so virtuous and treasured by both volunteers and
>patients. After all, making a difference in the
>world is not so difficult if only one would care
>enough to sacrifice a part of oneself in order
>to change the world for the better. My
>experience as a Unite for Sight volunteer has
>inspired me to dedicate my future career to
>serving underprivileged communities around the
>world.??Chiwing ?Jessica? Qu, Yale University
>Undergraduate Student, Unite For Sight Volunteer in Chennai, India
>
>"I can honestly say that everything I learned in
>3 years of medical school paled in comparison to
>the 3 week experience I had in Accra (Ghana) in
>October 2007 as part of Unite For Sight. The
>program provides volunteers with a unique and
>hands-on involvement ? being able to help out to
>the level of your training and comfort. My
>experience taught me that Ghanaian people are
>the friendliest people I have interacted with
>anywhere in the world, that ordinary people
>involved with Unite For Sight are making
>extraordinary differences, and that sitting in a
>classroom receiving a world-class education
>cannot match real life experiences while
>volunteering."--Varun Verma, UMDNJ Medical
>Student, Unite For Sight Volunteer in Accra, Ghana
>
>"While in Ghana, I worked with an
>ophthalmologist (Dr. James Clarke), two eye
>nurses (Robert Dolo, Kartee Karloweah), an
>assistant (Bismark Boryor), and a coordinator
>(Seth). Working with the Unite for Sight team on
>these outreaches in service to these wonderful
>people of Ghana was the single most rewarding
>work I've done in my life. The people of Ghana
>are some of the friendliest and most thankful of
>anyone I have ever met. Overall, the experience
>has changed the way I view the world, my own
>country, and my role in the world forever. The
>only way to understand the way 4/5 of the world
>lives is to go yourself and get involved. The
>staff I worked with that are the heart and soul
>of Unite for Sight in Accra were some of the
>brightest and hard working individuals I have
>ever met. They are accomplishing feats few ever
>accomplish in their lives, and I am truly
>blessed to have had the opportunity to work with
>them and now call them my friends. I look
>forward to future work with Unite for Sight as
>an Ophthalmologist. The task at hand in Ghana,
>and I'm sure in all of Unite for Sight's
>locations throughout the world, is enormous. The
>more people that get involved, the more
>accessible services will be to these wonderful
>people. Plain and simple, the more we help, the
>more people can see the world they live
>in!??Brian Fowler, Medical Student at University
>of Virginia, Unite For Sight Volunteer in Accra, Ghana
>
>Hundreds of volunteer narratives, volunteer
>diaries, as well as videos of alumni volunteers
>and partner eye doctors are available on the
>Unite For Sight website:
>< http://slate.technolutions.com/go?b92730e6b0a14f279022bd6304994f3e&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.uniteforsight.org%2fintl_volunteer http://slate.technolutions.com/go?b92730e6b0a14f279022bd6304994f3e&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.uniteforsight.org%2fintl_volunteer
> http://www.uniteforsight.org/intl_volunteer http://www.uniteforsight.org/intl_volunteer
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:31:09 -0500
From: "Everett Gavel" < mailto:EverettG at SuccessfulAdaptations.com EverettG at SuccessfulAdaptations.com
>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Special Accomodations. Was: Re: (no
subject)
To: "NFB Senior Division list" < mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>
Message-ID: <005c01c87160$f97b5df0$de90f44c at IBMB7D6F383D44>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Classy message there, George.
Thanks for Helping Us to Recognize Part of the
Problem,
Everett
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Cassell" < mailto:apolloseven at earthlink.net apolloseven at earthlink.net
>
>
> I really can't believe I'm hearing such a thing from
> an NFB member on an NFB
> list. Ask the government to subsidize us?
> Rediculous! Absurd! Not to
> mention that such a thing goes entirely against
> everything the NFB stands
> for.
>
> Being blind, we need to continue to perpetuate the
> myth that we are just
> like any sighted person, without requiring any
> special accomodations. After
> all, that's why the NFB insisted that we, the blind,
> stop being able to ride
> city busses for free, in spite of the fact that we
> are experiencing an 80%
> unemployment / underemployment rate. To continue to
> keep doing so would
> make the blind appear to be somehow different from
> those who can see,
> perhaps requiring some kind of special treatment.
> And nothing could be
> further from the truth, could it?
>
> Just as good as any sighted person? No way! We're
> better than sighted
> people, able to do everything they can do, and we can
> do it better than
> them, too!
>
> That's why our NFB is constantly doing everything it
> can to ensure that no
> blind person should ever have any kind of special
> priviliges or advantages,
> like being able to rely on audible crossing signals
> to tell us when the
> light is in our favor. Of course we can figure that
> out on our own. And
> those who can't, will, of course, be run over and
> killed, never having to
> ever worry about such things again. And without such
> stupid, blind people
> running around any longer, the rest of us will seem a
> lot smarter, won't we?
>
> I suggest that the NFB begin a new campaign, once
> again trying to prove that
> being blind is better than being sighted.
>
> In the meantime, shouldn't we b blinding sighted
> people, using our canes to
> poke them all in their eyes, similar to what Louis
> Braille did to himself,
> with an awl in his father's workshop? Blinding
> himself. Great idea! What
> a role model for all of us!
>
> The only problem is that he stopped with blinding
> only himself, and not
> everybody else around him as well. But back then, I
> guess there wasn't an
> NFB to suggest such things to them yet, was there?
>
> If nothing else, we should at least be consistant.
>
>
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
Nfb-seniors mailing list
mailto:Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org Nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-seniors
End of Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8
*****************************************
--
Dr. Heinz-Guenther Pink
Advocate and program evaluator for the blind, deaf and handicapped.
Member: NFB Communication Council
and ATRC Advisory Council of the State
Member of Senator Chun Oakland's Deaf-Blind Task Force.
Founder: Computer College of Hawaii since 1963, mailto:pinkhawaii at gmail.com pinkhawaii at gmail.com
410 Magellan Ave. Apt.1002, Honolulu, HI. 96813 , Tel 808: 537-1875
More information about the Nfb-seniors
mailing list