From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 05:18:07 2020
From: sonshines59 at gmail.com (Judy Jones)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 21:18:07 -0800
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
Message-ID: <012901d6b269$e1d71dd0$a5855970$@gmail.com>

Hi, All,

 

My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.

 

We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming Knights Of The Blind committee.

 

We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in especially reaching out to the blind in our area.

 

What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.

 

We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive, the commonality of serving together should unite us.

 

We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.  We also belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our area.

 

The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB members on the committee.

 

We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we do life.

 

The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails, can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not interested in any empowerment.  Of course that is his business, but just setting the ambience.

 

The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?

 

Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in which we serve.

 

The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.

 

On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the difference between blind and visually impaired.

 

She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.

 

She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the projects.  These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those that help them get out in public.

 

She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.

 

The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are feeling.  The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and sinker.

 

I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this committee.

 

We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around blind folks who just do life.  

 

I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions who are in the NFB.

 

We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.

 

We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and welcome questions, advice and perspective.

 

My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a freeconferencecall.com account we could use.

 

Thanks a ton.

 

Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.

 

 

Judy

? (sunrise over mountains)

?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?

 

 


From hearkylaugh at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 05:39:27 2020
From: hearkylaugh at gmail.com (Kyle Laconsay)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 19:39:27 -1000
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
In-Reply-To: <012901d6b269$e1d71dd0$a5855970$@gmail.com>
References: <012901d6b269$e1d71dd0$a5855970$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABiiVtx94kGknni5Xv7zF+F=VevrauwDxO-zvTZSVuMf292JtA@mail.gmail.com>

Judy and Chris,

I would LOVE to talk to you both tomorrow. I have students until 3pm, HI
time, but can call you afterwards. Are you available to talk then?

I?m sorry you had such a disappointing meeting with the Knights of the
Blind.

Please don?t lose hope with becoming a Lion!

Lion Kyle

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 7:19 PM Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <
nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi, All,
>
>
>
> My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.
>
>
>
> We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming
> Knights Of The Blind committee.
>
>
>
> We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in
> especially reaching out to the blind in our area.
>
>
>
> What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose
> philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.
>
>
>
> We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive,
> the commonality of serving together should unite us.
>
>
>
> We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind
> people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts
> of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.  We also
> belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our
> area.
>
>
>
> The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB
> members on the committee.
>
>
>
> We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live
> in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we
> do life.
>
>
>
> The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable
> and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails,
> can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not
> interested in any empowerment.  Of course that is his business, but just
> setting the ambience.
>
>
>
> The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with
> ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?
>
>
>
> Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for
> blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in
> fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in
> which we serve.
>
>
>
> The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in
> the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.
>
>
>
> On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The
> Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the
> difference between blind and visually impaired.
>
>
>
> She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t
> use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.
>
>
>
> She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they
> would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the
> projects.  These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general
> premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those
> that help them get out in public.
>
>
>
> She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals
> are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.
>
>
>
> The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are
> feeling.  The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and
> sinker.
>
>
>
> I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this
> committee.
>
>
>
> We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around
> blind folks who just do life.
>
>
>
> I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying
> anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions
> who are in the NFB.
>
>
>
> We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call
> tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.
>
>
>
> We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and
> welcome questions, advice and perspective.
>
>
>
> My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a
> freeconferencecall.com account we could use.
>
>
>
> Thanks a ton.
>
>
>
> Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.
>
>
>
>
>
> Judy
>
> ? (sunrise over mountains)
>
> ?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NFB-Lions mailing list
> NFB-Lions at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NFB-Lions:
>
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>

From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 05:51:56 2020
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2020 21:51:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
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From hearkylaugh at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 05:58:59 2020
From: hearkylaugh at gmail.com (Kyle Laconsay)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 19:58:59 -1000
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
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Great, thanks! Talk to you then.

Kyle

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 7:51 PM Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com> wrote:

> ?Kyle!
>
> Would love to talk with you. Tomorrow is a lull day for us, so any time
> you choose will work for us. Here are our numbers:
> Chris: (208) 308-8876.
> Judy: (208) 316-7008.
>
> Thanks loads!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kyle Laconsay
> To: NFB and Lions
> Date: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 09:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
>
> Judy and Chris,
>
>
> I would LOVE to talk to you both tomorrow. I have students until 3pm, HI
> time, but can call you afterwards. Are you available to talk then?
>
>
> I'm sorry you had such a disappointing meeting with the Knights of the
> Blind.
>
>
> Please don't lose hope with becoming a Lion!
>
>
> Lion Kyle
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 7:19 PM Judy Jones via NFB-Lions wrote:
>
> Hi, All,
>
>
>
> My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.
>
>
>
> We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming
> Knights Of The Blind committee.
>
>
>
> We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in
> especially reaching out to the blind in our area.
>
>
>
> What we're finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose
> philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.
>
>
>
> We've been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don't jive,
> the commonality of serving together should unite us.
>
>
>
> We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind
> people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts
> of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.  We also
> belong to the state's NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our
> area.
>
>
>
> The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB
> members on the committee.
>
>
>
> We've become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live
> in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we
> do life.
>
>
>
> The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable
> and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can't read his e-mails,
> can't change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not
> interested in any empowerment.  Of course that is his business, but just
> setting the ambience.
>
>
>
> The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with
> "visually impaired" and "blind."
>
>
>
> Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for
> blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in
> fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in
> which we serve.
>
>
>
> The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in
> the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.
>
>
>
> On tonight's call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The
> Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the
> difference between blind and visually impaired.
>
>
>
> She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn't
> use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.
>
>
>
> She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they
> would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the
> projects.  These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general
> premise is that they don't get out, so these planned projects are those
> that help them get out in public.
>
>
>
> She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals
> are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.
>
>
>
> The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are
> feeling.  The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and
> sinker.
>
>
>
> I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this
> committee.
>
>
>
> We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around
> blind folks who just do life.
>
>
>
> I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying
> anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions
> who are in the NFB.
>
>
>
> We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call
> tonight, but we don't want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.
>
>
>
> We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and
> welcome questions, advice and perspective.
>
>
>
> My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a
> freeconferencecall.com account we could use.
>
>
>
> Thanks a ton.
>
>
>
> Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.
>
>
>
>
>
> Judy
>
> ? (sunrise over mountains)
>
> "embrace each day with His mercies and blessings."
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NFB-Lions mailing list
> NFB-Lions at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NFB-Lions:
>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org/hearkylaugh%40gmail.com

From mota1252 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 14:17:44 2020
From: mota1252 at gmail.com (Milton)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 08:17:44 -0600
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
In-Reply-To: <012901d6b269$e1d71dd0$a5855970$@gmail.com>
References: <012901d6b269$e1d71dd0$a5855970$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001a01d6b2b5$43b63e50$cb22baf0$@gmail.com>

Hello Judy,

This is what I have noticed in general with many blind folks, especially the older population, they want everything on the spoon (meaning that if they can get it for free they will take it). I just wonder how much those other blind people participate in the activities of their clubs and how much to do they contribute to their clubh when there is a fundraiser.

I do pay my full dues when I'm billed and pay fines when the tailtwister getsme for something, and contribute time andenergy for projects and activities when time permits. I also contribute when there is a fundraiser as well.

If you and your husband don't feel comfortable with this group of Knights of the Blind, I just wonder if it is worth your time.

Like me, I was asked to serve on the District Governors Cabinet and learnmore about how the District functions, and almost 6 years ago, there was a vacancy on the North Dakota Lions Foundation and the Folks on the cabinet asked me if I wanted to sit on it. I just needed the approval of the club president and she was there and was all for it.Currently I'm on my sixth year of a 2 - 3year term on the foundation and will be getting off thefoundation for 1 year. Travelling to these meeting has not been a problem and I have always had a Lion offer a ride when needed.

So, find your place with Lions and run with it and you will learn a great deal about Lionism.

Talk with Milt Taylor, he has been a District Governor and currently is the Multi-District Council Chair in Utah.

I have been asked to consider to run for the District Governor here in North Dakota but have declined due to my health. Also, my wife is not a Lion and does't care to join.

Lion Milton
    

-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via NFB-Lions
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 11:18 PM
To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective

Hi, All,

 

My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.

 

We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming Knights Of The Blind committee.

 

We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in especially reaching out to the blind in our area.

 

What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.

 

We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive, the commonality of serving together should unite us.

 

We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.  We also belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our area.

 

The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB members on the committee.

 

We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we do life.

 

The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails, can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not interested in any empowerment.  Of course that is his business, but just setting the ambience.

 

The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?

 

Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in which we serve.

 

The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.

 

On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the difference between blind and visually impaired.

 

She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.

 

She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the projects.  These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those that help them get out in public.

 

She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.

 

The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are feeling.  The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and sinker.

 

I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this committee.

 

We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around blind folks who just do life.  

 

I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions who are in the NFB.

 

We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.

 

We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and welcome questions, advice and perspective.

 

My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a freeconferencecall.com account we could use.

 

Thanks a ton.

 

Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.

 

 

Judy

? (sunrise over mountains)

?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?

 

 

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From walhoframona at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 15:51:20 2020
From: walhoframona at gmail.com (Ramona)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2020 08:51:20 -0700
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
Message-ID: <5fa2cdfa.1c69fb81.7fb1d.5f1f@mx.google.com>

Judy and Chris, I am no longer a Lion, and there is no Knights for the or of the Blind committee in the main part of Iado I was a member for 15 years or so. I joined a club which has since disbanded, but I was able to get them to accept me as a regular Lion. I did all kinds of work: prepared food; set up tables; cashiered; planned programs, chaired projects, held office, and helped them learn about projects that really helped the blind. One year the Lions funded the Gding Summer Camp and several worked there. They also helped with the winter camp in the Wood River Valley area. Etc. If there is a local club to join, I think you may want to start to doing that. See if you can't win the members. Some zthe club members may be quite ready to accept you. If Knights of the Blind committees are established in some states, you are not going to be able to change that rapidly. There have been several District Governors who are blind in several parts of the country. I know of some who were members of the Federation and some who were not. But I think they really did their work and were accepted. I also know of two blind people who were international Directors. Of course, there are some blind people who will be glad for help with anything. And there are some Lions who agree that they need it. If you can make friends with the guy who is just now losing vision, it might be a good idea. You  know that most newly blind people need to make an adjustment. You never know how far they will go until you try. If he sees what you do, he may wish to do some of the same. If you offer to help him learn to use the computer with voice, he may really want to. Of course, some day we have to believe we can have face to face contact. Then you can offer to feed him. I cannot count the number of people who had their expectations raised to visiting with other blind people. I feel certain you will just get people not to like you by challenging what they are thinking as a starting point. You know the old hymn: You bring the one next to you; I'll take  the one next to me. In no time at all; we'll have them all. We'll win them, win them, one by one. 
As you know, I am trying to cut down at age 76, but I think my time with the Lions was well spent, both in community service and educating the Lions about blindness. I once had a district government in Twin Falls thank me profoundly for coming to see him and show him that preventing blindness and helping blind people are two different things. Most Lions programs and budgets tend to put those two things together. Some know better, but not all yet. 
There is a lot to do if you have the energy and use charm. 
RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 7:17 AM, Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Judy,
>
> This is what I have noticed in general with many blind folks, especially the older population, they want everything on the spoon (meaning that if they can get it for free they will take it). I just wonder how much those other blind people participate in the activities of their clubs and how much to do they contribute to their clubh when there is a fundraiser.
>
> I do pay my full dues when I'm billed and pay fines when the tailtwister getsme for something, and contribute time andenergy for projects and activities when time permits. I also contribute when there is a fundraiser as well.
>
> If you and your husband don't feel comfortable with this group of Knights of the Blind, I just wonder if it is worth your time.
>
> Like me, I was asked to serve on the District Governors Cabinet and learnmore about how the District functions, and almost 6 years ago, there was a vacancy on the North Dakota Lions Foundation and the Folks on the cabinet asked me if I wanted to sit on it. I just needed the approval of the club president and she was there and was all for it.Currently I'm on my sixth year of a 2 - 3year term on the foundation and will be getting off thefoundation for 1 year. Travelling to these meeting has not been a problem and I have always had a Lion offer a ride when needed.
>
> So, find your place with Lions and run with it and you will learn a great deal about Lionism.
>
> Talk with Milt Taylor, he has been a District Governor and currently is the Multi-District Council Chair in Utah.
>
> I have been asked to consider to run for the District Governor here in North Dakota but have declined due to my health. Also, my wife is not a Lion and does't care to join.
>
> Lion Milton
> ???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via NFB-Lions
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 11:18 PM
> To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
>
> Hi, All,
>
> My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.
>
> We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming Knights Of The Blind committee.
>
> We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in especially reaching out to the blind in our area.
>
> What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.
>
> We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive, the commonality of serving together should unite us.
>
> We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.? We also belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our area.
>
> The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB members on the committee.
>
> We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we do life.
>
> The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails, can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not interested in any empowerment.? Of course that is his business, but just setting the ambience.
>
> The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?
>
> Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in which we serve.
>
> The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.
>
> On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the difference between blind and visually impaired.
>
> She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.
>
> She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the projects.? These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those that help them get out in public.
>
> She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.
>
> The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are feeling.? The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and sinker.
>
> I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this committee.
>
> We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around blind folks who just do life.?
>
> I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions who are in the NFB.
>
> We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.
>
> We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and welcome questions, advice and perspective.
>
> My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a freeconferencecall.com account we could use.
>
> Thanks a ton.
>
> Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.
>
> Judy
>
> ? (sunrise over mountains)
>
> ?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?
>
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From kat.bottner at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 16:01:03 2020
From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kat Bottner)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 11:01:03 -0500
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
In-Reply-To: <5fa2cdfa.1c69fb81.7fb1d.5f1f@mx.google.com>
References: <5fa2cdfa.1c69fb81.7fb1d.5f1f@mx.google.com>
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Well said, very inspiring!

> On Nov 4, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Ramona via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Judy and Chris, I am no longer a Lion, and there is no Knights for the or of the Blind committee in the main part of Iado I was a member for 15 years or so. I joined a club which has since disbanded, but I was able to get them to accept me as a regular Lion. I did all kinds of work: prepared food; set up tables; cashiered; planned programs, chaired projects, held office, and helped them learn about projects that really helped the blind. One year the Lions funded the Gding Summer Camp and several worked there. They also helped with the winter camp in the Wood River Valley area. Etc. If there is a local club to join, I think you may want to start to doing that. See if you can't win the members. Some zthe club members may be quite ready to accept you. If Knights of the Blind committees are established in some states, you are not going to be able to change that rapidly. There have been several District Governors who are blind in several parts of the country. I know of some who were members of the Federation and some who were not. But I think they really did their work and were accepted. I also know of two blind people who were international Directors. Of course, there are some blind people who will be glad for help with anything. And there are some Lions who agree that they need it. If you can make friends with the guy who is just now losing vision, it might be a good idea. You  know that most newly blind people need to make an adjustment. You never know how far they will go until you try. If he sees what you do, he may wish to do some of the same. If you offer to help him learn to use the computer with voice, he may really want to. Of course, some day we have to believe we can have face to face contact. Then you can offer to feed him. I cannot count the number of people who had their expectations raised to visiting with other blind people. I feel certain you will just get people not to like you by challenging what they are thinking as a starting point. You know the old hymn: You bring the one next to you; I'll take  the one next to me. In no time at all; we'll have them all. We'll win them, win them, one by one. 
> As you know, I am trying to cut down at age 76, but I think my time with the Lions was well spent, both in community service and educating the Lions about blindness. I once had a district government in Twin Falls thank me profoundly for coming to see him and show him that preventing blindness and helping blind people are two different things. Most Lions programs and budgets tend to put those two things together. Some know better, but not all yet. 
> There is a lot to do if you have the energy and use charm. 
> RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 7:17 AM, Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Judy,
>> 
>> This is what I have noticed in general with many blind folks, especially the older population, they want everything on the spoon (meaning that if they can get it for free they will take it). I just wonder how much those other blind people participate in the activities of their clubs and how much to do they contribute to their clubh when there is a fundraiser.
>> 
>> I do pay my full dues when I'm billed and pay fines when the tailtwister getsme for something, and contribute time andenergy for projects and activities when time permits. I also contribute when there is a fundraiser as well.
>> 
>> If you and your husband don't feel comfortable with this group of Knights of the Blind, I just wonder if it is worth your time.
>> 
>> Like me, I was asked to serve on the District Governors Cabinet and learnmore about how the District functions, and almost 6 years ago, there was a vacancy on the North Dakota Lions Foundation and the Folks on the cabinet asked me if I wanted to sit on it. I just needed the approval of the club president and she was there and was all for it.Currently I'm on my sixth year of a 2 - 3year term on the foundation and will be getting off thefoundation for 1 year. Travelling to these meeting has not been a problem and I have always had a Lion offer a ride when needed.
>> 
>> So, find your place with Lions and run with it and you will learn a great deal about Lionism.
>> 
>> Talk with Milt Taylor, he has been a District Governor and currently is the Multi-District Council Chair in Utah.
>> 
>> I have been asked to consider to run for the District Governor here in North Dakota but have declined due to my health. Also, my wife is not a Lion and does't care to join.
>> 
>> Lion Milton
>>    
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via NFB-Lions
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 11:18 PM
>> To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
>> 
>> Hi, All,
>> 
>> My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.
>> 
>> We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming Knights Of The Blind committee.
>> 
>> We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in especially reaching out to the blind in our area.
>> 
>> What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.
>> 
>> We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive, the commonality of serving together should unite us.
>> 
>> We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.  We also belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our area.
>> 
>> The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB members on the committee.
>> 
>> We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we do life.
>> 
>> The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails, can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not interested in any empowerment.  Of course that is his business, but just setting the ambience.
>> 
>> The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?
>> 
>> Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in which we serve.
>> 
>> The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.
>> 
>> On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the difference between blind and visually impaired.
>> 
>> She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.
>> 
>> She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the projects.  These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those that help them get out in public.
>> 
>> She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.
>> 
>> The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are feeling.  The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and sinker.
>> 
>> I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this committee.
>> 
>> We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around blind folks who just do life. 
>> 
>> I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions who are in the NFB.
>> 
>> We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.
>> 
>> We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and welcome questions, advice and perspective.
>> 
>> My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a freeconferencecall.com account we could use.
>> 
>> Thanks a ton.
>> 
>> Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> ? (sunrise over mountains)
>> 
>> ?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?
>> 
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From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 17:25:55 2020
From: sonshines59 at gmail.com (Judy Jones)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 09:25:55 -0800
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
In-Reply-To: <5fa2cdfa.1c69fb81.7fb1d.5f1f@mx.google.com>
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Ramona,

Thanks so much for writing in.  You are right on!

We have started with the small Sedro-Woolley Lions club in our area, and they have been accepting.

What I hear you say is to work with each individual who comes across your path.

You must have read my mind, as I have planned to call the one who needs help with his clock.  He does not live in the area, but I have some ideas on how to help, if he is open.

Thanks so much for your wisdom and for writing in.

Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Lions
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:51 AM
To: Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective

Judy and Chris, I am no longer a Lion, and there is no Knights for the or of the Blind committee in the main part of Iado I was a member for 15 years or so. I joined a club which has since disbanded, but I was able to get them to accept me as a regular Lion. I did all kinds of work: prepared food; set up tables; cashiered; planned programs, chaired projects, held office, and helped them learn about projects that really helped the blind. One year the Lions funded the Gding Summer Camp and several worked there. They also helped with the winter camp in the Wood River Valley area. Etc. If there is a local club to join, I think you may want to start to doing that. See if you can't win the members. Some zthe club members may be quite ready to accept you. If Knights of the Blind committees are established in some states, you are not going to be able to change that rapidly. There have been several District Governors who are blind in several parts of the country. I know of some who were members of the Federation and some who were not. But I think they really did their work and were accepted. I also know of two blind people who were international Directors. Of course, there are some blind people who will be glad for help with anything. And there are some Lions who agree that they need it. If you can make friends with the guy who is just now losing vision, it might be a good idea. You  know that most newly blind people need to make an adjustment. You never know how far they will go until you try. If he sees what you do, he may wish to do some of the same. If you offer to help him learn to use the computer with voice, he may really want to. Of course, some day we have to believe we can have face to face contact. Then you can offer to feed him. I cannot count the number of people who had their expectations raised to visiting with other blind people. I feel certain you will just get people not to like you by challenging what they are thinking as a starting point. You know the old hymn: You bring the one next to you; I'll take  the one next to me. In no time at all; we'll have them all. We'll win them, win them, one by one. 
As you know, I am trying to cut down at age 76, but I think my time with the Lions was well spent, both in community service and educating the Lions about blindness. I once had a district government in Twin Falls thank me profoundly for coming to see him and show him that preventing blindness and helping blind people are two different things. Most Lions programs and budgets tend to put those two things together. Some know better, but not all yet. 
There is a lot to do if you have the energy and use charm. 
RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 7:17 AM, Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Judy,
>
> This is what I have noticed in general with many blind folks, especially the older population, they want everything on the spoon (meaning that if they can get it for free they will take it). I just wonder how much those other blind people participate in the activities of their clubs and how much to do they contribute to their clubh when there is a fundraiser.
>
> I do pay my full dues when I'm billed and pay fines when the tailtwister getsme for something, and contribute time andenergy for projects and activities when time permits. I also contribute when there is a fundraiser as well.
>
> If you and your husband don't feel comfortable with this group of Knights of the Blind, I just wonder if it is worth your time.
>
> Like me, I was asked to serve on the District Governors Cabinet and learnmore about how the District functions, and almost 6 years ago, there was a vacancy on the North Dakota Lions Foundation and the Folks on the cabinet asked me if I wanted to sit on it. I just needed the approval of the club president and she was there and was all for it.Currently I'm on my sixth year of a 2 - 3year term on the foundation and will be getting off thefoundation for 1 year. Travelling to these meeting has not been a problem and I have always had a Lion offer a ride when needed.
>
> So, find your place with Lions and run with it and you will learn a great deal about Lionism.
>
> Talk with Milt Taylor, he has been a District Governor and currently is the Multi-District Council Chair in Utah.
>
> I have been asked to consider to run for the District Governor here in North Dakota but have declined due to my health. Also, my wife is not a Lion and does't care to join.
>
> Lion Milton
>    
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via NFB-Lions
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 11:18 PM
> To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
>
> Hi, All,
>
> My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.
>
> We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming Knights Of The Blind committee.
>
> We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in especially reaching out to the blind in our area.
>
> What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.
>
> We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive, the commonality of serving together should unite us.
>
> We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.  We also belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our area.
>
> The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB members on the committee.
>
> We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we do life.
>
> The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails, can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not interested in any empowerment.  Of course that is his business, but just setting the ambience.
>
> The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?
>
> Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in which we serve.
>
> The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.
>
> On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the difference between blind and visually impaired.
>
> She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.
>
> She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the projects.  These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those that help them get out in public.
>
> She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.
>
> The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are feeling.  The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and sinker.
>
> I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this committee.
>
> We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around blind folks who just do life. 
>
> I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions who are in the NFB.
>
> We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.
>
> We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and welcome questions, advice and perspective.
>
> My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a freeconferencecall.com account we could use.
>
> Thanks a ton.
>
> Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.
>
> Judy
>
> ? (sunrise over mountains)
>
> ?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?
>
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From walhoframona at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 23:22:41 2020
From: walhoframona at gmail.com (Ramona)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2020 16:22:41 -0700
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
Message-ID: <5fa337c3.1c69fb81.dc1f0.7d8d@mx.google.com>

Good luck. He may need other help as well. But I hope you like him and it is returned. Somebody from Washington came to an NFB group meeting a few years ago and said they wanted to do concerts for the blind. I asked how many people they expect at  a concert, and they said hundreds. I don't think that went anywhere, but they are clearly looking for something to do. You might talk to the Mackenstadts to see what they know about Lions there. In North Carolina, they have a big fishing derby for the blind, and there are blind people on its planning board. It sounds as though blind people can be as dependent or as independent as they want at the activity. There also used to be a lot of Lions help in Indiana to get blind kids to activities, including NFB conventions. They are not going to give cash directly to an NFB group, but they do sometimes support projects. If there is a sight and hearing foundation, it probably will collect eyes for medical procedures, but it also can provide financial help to buy embossers for a school where needed or even an electronic Brailler. You sort of have to be careful how much to ask for. Most of the clubs around here raise funds for specific projects and do not have a lot extra. Of course, many think that all blind people are poor and want to be served meals, etc. There was a big rift here in the 1970's because somebody wants to build a nature trail for the blind, and the NFBI Pres at the time offended somebody by discouraging it. It should be possible to let them build the trail for the community and add some features that the blind would appreciate. I believe you did that in Florida. So i'll bet you can do something worthwhile. 

RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 10:25 AM, Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Ramona,
>
> Thanks so much for writing in.? You are right on!
>
> We have started with the small Sedro-Woolley Lions club in our area, and they have been accepting.
>
> What I hear you say is to work with each individual who comes across your path.
>
> You must have read my mind, as I have planned to call the one who needs help with his clock.? He does not live in the area, but I have some ideas on how to help, if he is open.
>
> Thanks so much for your wisdom and for writing in.
>
> Judy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Lions
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:51 AM
> To: Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
>
> Judy and Chris, I am no longer a Lion, and there is no Knights for the or of the Blind committee in the main part of Iado I was a member for 15 years or so. I joined a club which has since disbanded, but I was able to get them to accept me as a regular Lion. I did all kinds of work: prepared food; set up tables; cashiered; planned programs, chaired projects, held office, and helped them learn about projects that really helped the blind. One year the Lions funded the Gding Summer Camp and several worked there. They also helped with the winter camp in the Wood River Valley area. Etc. If there is a local club to join, I think you may want to start to doing that. See if you can't win the members. Some zthe club members may be quite ready to accept you. If Knights of the Blind committees are established in some states, you are not going to be able to change that rapidly. There have been several District Governors who are blind in several parts of the country. I know of some who were members of the Federation and some who were not. But I think they really did their work and were accepted. I also know of two blind people who were international Directors. Of course, there are some blind people who will be glad for help with anything. And there are some Lions who agree that they need it. If you can make friends with the guy who is just now losing vision, it might be a good idea. You? know that most newly blind people need to make an adjustment. You never know how far they will go until you try. If he sees what you do, he may wish to do some of the same. If you offer to help him learn to use the computer with voice, he may really want to. Of course, some day we have to believe we can have face to face contact. Then you can offer to feed him. I cannot count the number of people who had their expectations raised to visiting with other blind people. I feel certain you will just get people not to like you by challenging what they are thinking as a starting point. You know the old hymn: You bring the one next to you; I'll take? the one next to me. In no time at all; we'll have them all. We'll win them, win them, one by one. 
> As you know, I am trying to cut down at age 76, but I think my time with the Lions was well spent, both in community service and educating the Lions about blindness. I once had a district government in Twin Falls thank me profoundly for coming to see him and show him that preventing blindness and helping blind people are two different things. Most Lions programs and budgets tend to put those two things together. Some know better, but not all yet. 
> There is a lot to do if you have the energy and use charm. 
> RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 7:17 AM, Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Judy,
> >
> > This is what I have noticed in general with many blind folks, especially the older population, they want everything on the spoon (meaning that if they can get it for free they will take it). I just wonder how much those other blind people participate in the activities of their clubs and how much to do they contribute to their clubh when there is a fundraiser.
> >
> > I do pay my full dues when I'm billed and pay fines when the tailtwister getsme for something, and contribute time andenergy for projects and activities when time permits. I also contribute when there is a fundraiser as well.
> >
> > If you and your husband don't feel comfortable with this group of Knights of the Blind, I just wonder if it is worth your time.
> >
> > Like me, I was asked to serve on the District Governors Cabinet and learnmore about how the District functions, and almost 6 years ago, there was a vacancy on the North Dakota Lions Foundation and the Folks on the cabinet asked me if I wanted to sit on it. I just needed the approval of the club president and she was there and was all for it.Currently I'm on my sixth year of a 2 - 3year term on the foundation and will be getting off thefoundation for 1 year. Travelling to these meeting has not been a problem and I have always had a Lion offer a ride when needed.
> >
> > So, find your place with Lions and run with it and you will learn a great deal about Lionism.
> >
> > Talk with Milt Taylor, he has been a District Governor and currently is the Multi-District Council Chair in Utah.
> >
> > I have been asked to consider to run for the District Governor here in North Dakota but have declined due to my health. Also, my wife is not a Lion and does't care to join.
> >
> > Lion Milton
> >??? 
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via NFB-Lions
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 11:18 PM
> > To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
> >
> > Hi, All,
> >
> > My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.
> >
> > We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming Knights Of The Blind committee.
> >
> > We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in especially reaching out to the blind in our area.
> >
> > What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.
> >
> > We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive, the commonality of serving together should unite us.
> >
> > We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.? We also belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our area.
> >
> > The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB members on the committee.
> >
> > We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we do life.
> >
> > The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails, can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not interested in any empowerment.? Of course that is his business, but just setting the ambience.
> >
> > The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?
> >
> > Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in which we serve.
> >
> > The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.
> >
> > On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the difference between blind and visually impaired.
> >
> > She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.
> >
> > She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the projects.? These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those that help them get out in public.
> >
> > She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.
> >
> > The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are feeling.? The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and sinker.
> >
> > I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this committee.
> >
> > We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around blind folks who just do life. 
> >
> > I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions who are in the NFB.
> >
> > We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.
> >
> > We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and welcome questions, advice and perspective.
> >
> > My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a freeconferencecall.com account we could use.
> >
> > Thanks a ton.
> >
> > Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > ? (sunrise over mountains)
> >
> > ?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?
> >
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From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 00:03:20 2020
From: sonshines59 at gmail.com (Judy Jones)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 16:03:20 -0800
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
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You've got a great memory, and yes.

I reached out to the gentleman today, and he had his son-in-law fix his clock for him, but he needs help signing up for our groups.io listserv, so am planning on helping with that.

When I got to remembering, the Lions in Colorado were great, helping to sponsor a summer camp for blind kids, and they partnered with the Sierra Club and had survival conditioning training courses in the summer.  I'm from Colorado Springs, so the deal was, you would work up to a condition level by going on various hikes, and forest survival techniques were also taught.  The culmination at the end of the summer was climbing Pike's Peak.

The Wyoming Lions with the state agency sponsored a camp atop Casper mountain where blind people of all ages could go to learn braille, basic cane travel, and daily living skills, along with all the other fun camp things, like arts and crafts, and other traditional camp activities.  I interned at that camp for several years and loved it.

One project I think might be a possibility is to organize a you-pick day in the summer, where Lions could provide transportation to where the bus doesn't go, and sighted and blind could help local farmers out by picking and harvesting fruit and vegetables, buying them to bring home.  They relied on the public this year to do this because of Covid, and not hiring a harvest crew, but scheduling times where limited numbers of people could go get their produce.

Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Lions
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 3:23 PM
To: Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective

Good luck. He may need other help as well. But I hope you like him and it is returned. Somebody from Washington came to an NFB group meeting a few years ago and said they wanted to do concerts for the blind. I asked how many people they expect at  a concert, and they said hundreds. I don't think that went anywhere, but they are clearly looking for something to do. You might talk to the Mackenstadts to see what they know about Lions there. In North Carolina, they have a big fishing derby for the blind, and there are blind people on its planning board. It sounds as though blind people can be as dependent or as independent as they want at the activity. There also used to be a lot of Lions help in Indiana to get blind kids to activities, including NFB conventions. They are not going to give cash directly to an NFB group, but they do sometimes support projects. If there is a sight and hearing foundation, it probably will collect eyes for medical procedures, but it also can provide financial help to buy embossers for a school where needed or even an electronic Brailler. You sort of have to be careful how much to ask for. Most of the clubs around here raise funds for specific projects and do not have a lot extra. Of course, many think that all blind people are poor and want to be served meals, etc. There was a big rift here in the 1970's because somebody wants to build a nature trail for the blind, and the NFBI Pres at the time offended somebody by discouraging it. It should be possible to let them build the trail for the community and add some features that the blind would appreciate. I believe you did that in Florida. So i'll bet you can do something worthwhile. 

RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 10:25 AM, Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Ramona,
>
> Thanks so much for writing in.  You are right on!
>
> We have started with the small Sedro-Woolley Lions club in our area, and they have been accepting.
>
> What I hear you say is to work with each individual who comes across your path.
>
> You must have read my mind, as I have planned to call the one who needs help with his clock.  He does not live in the area, but I have some ideas on how to help, if he is open.
>
> Thanks so much for your wisdom and for writing in.
>
> Judy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Lions
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:51 AM
> To: Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
>
> Judy and Chris, I am no longer a Lion, and there is no Knights for the or of the Blind committee in the main part of Iado I was a member for 15 years or so. I joined a club which has since disbanded, but I was able to get them to accept me as a regular Lion. I did all kinds of work: prepared food; set up tables; cashiered; planned programs, chaired projects, held office, and helped them learn about projects that really helped the blind. One year the Lions funded the Gding Summer Camp and several worked there. They also helped with the winter camp in the Wood River Valley area. Etc. If there is a local club to join, I think you may want to start to doing that. See if you can't win the members. Some zthe club members may be quite ready to accept you. If Knights of the Blind committees are established in some states, you are not going to be able to change that rapidly. There have been several District Governors who are blind in several parts of the country. I know of some who were members of the Federation and some who were not. But I think they really did their work and were accepted. I also know of two blind people who were international Directors. Of course, there are some blind people who will be glad for help with anything. And there are some Lions who agree that they need it. If you can make friends with the guy who is just now losing vision, it might be a good idea. You  know that most newly blind people need to make an adjustment. You never know how far they will go until you try. If he sees what you do, he may wish to do some of the same. If you offer to help him learn to use the computer with voice, he may really want to. Of course, some day we have to believe we can have face to face contact. Then you can offer to feed him. I cannot count the number of people who had their expectations raised to visiting with other blind people. I feel certain you will just get people not to like you by challenging what they are thinking as a starting point. You know the old hymn: You bring the one next to you; I'll take  the one next to me. In no time at all; we'll have them all. We'll win them, win them, one by one. 
> As you know, I am trying to cut down at age 76, but I think my time with the Lions was well spent, both in community service and educating the Lions about blindness. I once had a district government in Twin Falls thank me profoundly for coming to see him and show him that preventing blindness and helping blind people are two different things. Most Lions programs and budgets tend to put those two things together. Some know better, but not all yet. 
> There is a lot to do if you have the energy and use charm. 
> RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 7:17 AM, Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Judy,
> >
> > This is what I have noticed in general with many blind folks, especially the older population, they want everything on the spoon (meaning that if they can get it for free they will take it). I just wonder how much those other blind people participate in the activities of their clubs and how much to do they contribute to their clubh when there is a fundraiser.
> >
> > I do pay my full dues when I'm billed and pay fines when the tailtwister getsme for something, and contribute time andenergy for projects and activities when time permits. I also contribute when there is a fundraiser as well.
> >
> > If you and your husband don't feel comfortable with this group of Knights of the Blind, I just wonder if it is worth your time.
> >
> > Like me, I was asked to serve on the District Governors Cabinet and learnmore about how the District functions, and almost 6 years ago, there was a vacancy on the North Dakota Lions Foundation and the Folks on the cabinet asked me if I wanted to sit on it. I just needed the approval of the club president and she was there and was all for it.Currently I'm on my sixth year of a 2 - 3year term on the foundation and will be getting off thefoundation for 1 year. Travelling to these meeting has not been a problem and I have always had a Lion offer a ride when needed.
> >
> > So, find your place with Lions and run with it and you will learn a great deal about Lionism.
> >
> > Talk with Milt Taylor, he has been a District Governor and currently is the Multi-District Council Chair in Utah.
> >
> > I have been asked to consider to run for the District Governor here in North Dakota but have declined due to my health. Also, my wife is not a Lion and does't care to join.
> >
> > Lion Milton
> >    
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via NFB-Lions
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 11:18 PM
> > To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
> >
> > Hi, All,
> >
> > My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.
> >
> > We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming Knights Of The Blind committee.
> >
> > We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in especially reaching out to the blind in our area.
> >
> > What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.
> >
> > We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive, the commonality of serving together should unite us.
> >
> > We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.  We also belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our area.
> >
> > The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB members on the committee.
> >
> > We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we do life.
> >
> > The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails, can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not interested in any empowerment.  Of course that is his business, but just setting the ambience.
> >
> > The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?
> >
> > Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in which we serve.
> >
> > The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.
> >
> > On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the difference between blind and visually impaired.
> >
> > She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.
> >
> > She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the projects.  These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those that help them get out in public.
> >
> > She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.
> >
> > The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are feeling.  The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and sinker.
> >
> > I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this committee.
> >
> > We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around blind folks who just do life. 
> >
> > I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions who are in the NFB.
> >
> > We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.
> >
> > We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and welcome questions, advice and perspective.
> >
> > My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a freeconferencecall.com account we could use.
> >
> > Thanks a ton.
> >
> > Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > ? (sunrise over mountains)
> >
> > ?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From walhoframona at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 15:19:07 2020
From: walhoframona at gmail.com (Ramona)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 08:19:07 -0700
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
Message-ID: <5fa417ed.1c69fb81.20ce1.5818@mx.google.com>

You will make good Lions. The Colorado hiking sounds great! The wyoming camp is well established and could use some work, but they all love it! Some of rehab thinks that's all they need, although they would not put it that way. 

RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 5:03 PM, Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> You've got a great memory, and yes.
>
> I reached out to the gentleman today, and he had his son-in-law fix his clock for him, but he needs help signing up for our groups.io listserv, so am planning on helping with that.
>
> When I got to remembering, the Lions in Colorado were great, helping to sponsor a summer camp for blind kids, and they partnered with the Sierra Club and had survival conditioning training courses in the summer.? I'm from Colorado Springs, so the deal was, you would work up to a condition level by going on various hikes, and forest survival techniques were also taught.? The culmination at the end of the summer was climbing Pike's Peak.
>
> The Wyoming Lions with the state agency sponsored a camp atop Casper mountain where blind people of all ages could go to learn braille, basic cane travel, and daily living skills, along with all the other fun camp things, like arts and crafts, and other traditional camp activities.? I interned at that camp for several years and loved it.
>
> One project I think might be a possibility is to organize a you-pick day in the summer, where Lions could provide transportation to where the bus doesn't go, and sighted and blind could help local farmers out by picking and harvesting fruit and vegetables, buying them to bring home.? They relied on the public this year to do this because of Covid, and not hiring a harvest crew, but scheduling times where limited numbers of people could go get their produce.
>
> Judy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Lions
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 3:23 PM
> To: Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
>
> Good luck. He may need other help as well. But I hope you like him and it is returned. Somebody from Washington came to an NFB group meeting a few years ago and said they wanted to do concerts for the blind. I asked how many people they expect at? a concert, and they said hundreds. I don't think that went anywhere, but they are clearly looking for something to do. You might talk to the Mackenstadts to see what they know about Lions there. In North Carolina, they have a big fishing derby for the blind, and there are blind people on its planning board. It sounds as though blind people can be as dependent or as independent as they want at the activity. There also used to be a lot of Lions help in Indiana to get blind kids to activities, including NFB conventions. They are not going to give cash directly to an NFB group, but they do sometimes support projects. If there is a sight and hearing foundation, it probably will collect eyes for medical procedures, but it also can provide financial help to buy embossers for a school where needed or even an electronic Brailler. You sort of have to be careful how much to ask for. Most of the clubs around here raise funds for specific projects and do not have a lot extra. Of course, many think that all blind people are poor and want to be served meals, etc. There was a big rift here in the 1970's because somebody wants to build a nature trail for the blind, and the NFBI Pres at the time offended somebody by discouraging it. It should be possible to let them build the trail for the community and add some features that the blind would appreciate. I believe you did that in Florida. So i'll bet you can do something worthwhile.
>
> RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 10:25 AM, Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ramona,
> >
> > Thanks so much for writing in.? You are right on!
> >
> > We have started with the small Sedro-Woolley Lions club in our area, and they have been accepting.
> >
> > What I hear you say is to work with each individual who comes across your path.
> >
> > You must have read my mind, as I have planned to call the one who needs help with his clock.? He does not live in the area, but I have some ideas on how to help, if he is open.
> >
> > Thanks so much for your wisdom and for writing in.
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Lions
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:51 AM
> > To: Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
> >
> > Judy and Chris, I am no longer a Lion, and there is no Knights for the or of the Blind committee in the main part of Iado I was a member for 15 years or so. I joined a club which has since disbanded, but I was able to get them to accept me as a regular Lion. I did all kinds of work: prepared food; set up tables; cashiered; planned programs, chaired projects, held office, and helped them learn about projects that really helped the blind. One year the Lions funded the Gding Summer Camp and several worked there. They also helped with the winter camp in the Wood River Valley area. Etc. If there is a local club to join, I think you may want to start to doing that. See if you can't win the members. Some zthe club members may be quite ready to accept you. If Knights of the Blind committees are established in some states, you are not going to be able to change that rapidly. There have been several District Governors who are blind in several parts of the country. I know of some who were members of the Federation and some who were not. But I think they really did their work and were accepted. I also know of two blind people who were international Directors. Of course, there are some blind people who will be glad for help with anything. And there are some Lions who agree that they need it. If you can make friends with the guy who is just now losing vision, it might be a good idea. You? know that most newly blind people need to make an adjustment. You never know how far they will go until you try. If he sees what you do, he may wish to do some of the same. If you offer to help him learn to use the computer with voice, he may really want to. Of course, some day we have to believe we can have face to face contact. Then you can offer to feed him. I cannot count the number of people who had their expectations raised to visiting with other blind people. I feel certain you will just get people not to like you by challenging what they are thinking as a starting point. You know the old hymn: You bring the one next to you; I'll take? the one next to me. In no time at all; we'll have them all. We'll win them, win them, one by one. 
> > As you know, I am trying to cut down at age 76, but I think my time with the Lions was well spent, both in community service and educating the Lions about blindness. I once had a district government in Twin Falls thank me profoundly for coming to see him and show him that preventing blindness and helping blind people are two different things. Most Lions programs and budgets tend to put those two things together. Some know better, but not all yet. 
> > There is a lot to do if you have the energy and use charm. 
> > RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 7:17 AM, Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Judy,
> > >
> > > This is what I have noticed in general with many blind folks, especially the older population, they want everything on the spoon (meaning that if they can get it for free they will take it). I just wonder how much those other blind people participate in the activities of their clubs and how much to do they contribute to their clubh when there is a fundraiser.
> > >
> > > I do pay my full dues when I'm billed and pay fines when the tailtwister getsme for something, and contribute time andenergy for projects and activities when time permits. I also contribute when there is a fundraiser as well.
> > >
> > > If you and your husband don't feel comfortable with this group of Knights of the Blind, I just wonder if it is worth your time.
> > >
> > > Like me, I was asked to serve on the District Governors Cabinet and learnmore about how the District functions, and almost 6 years ago, there was a vacancy on the North Dakota Lions Foundation and the Folks on the cabinet asked me if I wanted to sit on it. I just needed the approval of the club president and she was there and was all for it.Currently I'm on my sixth year of a 2 - 3year term on the foundation and will be getting off thefoundation for 1 year. Travelling to these meeting has not been a problem and I have always had a Lion offer a ride when needed.
> > >
> > > So, find your place with Lions and run with it and you will learn a great deal about Lionism.
> > >
> > > Talk with Milt Taylor, he has been a District Governor and currently is the Multi-District Council Chair in Utah.
> > >
> > > I have been asked to consider to run for the District Governor here in North Dakota but have declined due to my health. Also, my wife is not a Lion and does't care to join.
> > >
> > > Lion Milton
> > >??? 
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via NFB-Lions
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 11:18 PM
> > > To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
> > >
> > > Hi, All,
> > >
> > > My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.
> > >
> > > We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming Knights Of The Blind committee.
> > >
> > > We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in especially reaching out to the blind in our area.
> > >
> > > What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.
> > >
> > > We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive, the commonality of serving together should unite us.
> > >
> > > We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.? We also belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our area.
> > >
> > > The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB members on the committee.
> > >
> > > We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we do life.
> > >
> > > The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails, can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not interested in any empowerment.? Of course that is his business, but just setting the ambience.
> > >
> > > The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?
> > >
> > > Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in which we serve.
> > >
> > > The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.
> > >
> > > On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the difference between blind and visually impaired.
> > >
> > > She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.
> > >
> > > She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the projects.? These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those that help them get out in public.
> > >
> > > She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.
> > >
> > > The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are feeling.? The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and sinker.
> > >
> > > I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this committee.
> > >
> > > We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around blind folks who just do life. 
> > >
> > > I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions who are in the NFB.
> > >
> > > We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.
> > >
> > > We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and welcome questions, advice and perspective.
> > >
> > > My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a freeconferencecall.com account we could use.
> > >
> > > Thanks a ton.
> > >
> > > Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.
> > >
> > > Judy
> > >
> > > ? (sunrise over mountains)
> > >
> > > ?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?
> > >
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From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 19:26:53 2020
From: sonshines59 at gmail.com (Judy Jones)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 11:26:53 -0800
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
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Very good to know the camp is still going.

I went to school with another camp intern back in the day, when we both attended CSDB at the same time.

He lived in Wyoming and left the school after grade school.

Being a military BRAT, I' attended eight schools altogether.

Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Lions
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 7:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective

You will make good Lions. The Colorado hiking sounds great! The wyoming camp is well established and could use some work, but they all love it! Some of rehab thinks that's all they need, although they would not put it that way. 

RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 5:03 PM, Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> You've got a great memory, and yes.
>
> I reached out to the gentleman today, and he had his son-in-law fix his clock for him, but he needs help signing up for our groups.io listserv, so am planning on helping with that.
>
> When I got to remembering, the Lions in Colorado were great, helping to sponsor a summer camp for blind kids, and they partnered with the Sierra Club and had survival conditioning training courses in the summer.  I'm from Colorado Springs, so the deal was, you would work up to a condition level by going on various hikes, and forest survival techniques were also taught.  The culmination at the end of the summer was climbing Pike's Peak.
>
> The Wyoming Lions with the state agency sponsored a camp atop Casper mountain where blind people of all ages could go to learn braille, basic cane travel, and daily living skills, along with all the other fun camp things, like arts and crafts, and other traditional camp activities.  I interned at that camp for several years and loved it.
>
> One project I think might be a possibility is to organize a you-pick day in the summer, where Lions could provide transportation to where the bus doesn't go, and sighted and blind could help local farmers out by picking and harvesting fruit and vegetables, buying them to bring home.  They relied on the public this year to do this because of Covid, and not hiring a harvest crew, but scheduling times where limited numbers of people could go get their produce.
>
> Judy
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 3:23 PM
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> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
>
> Good luck. He may need other help as well. But I hope you like him and it is returned. Somebody from Washington came to an NFB group meeting a few years ago and said they wanted to do concerts for the blind. I asked how many people they expect at  a concert, and they said hundreds. I don't think that went anywhere, but they are clearly looking for something to do. You might talk to the Mackenstadts to see what they know about Lions there. In North Carolina, they have a big fishing derby for the blind, and there are blind people on its planning board. It sounds as though blind people can be as dependent or as independent as they want at the activity. There also used to be a lot of Lions help in Indiana to get blind kids to activities, including NFB conventions. They are not going to give cash directly to an NFB group, but they do sometimes support projects. If there is a sight and hearing foundation, it probably will collect eyes for medical procedures, but it also can provide financial help to buy embossers for a school where needed or even an electronic Brailler. You sort of have to be careful how much to ask for. Most of the clubs around here raise funds for specific projects and do not have a lot extra. Of course, many think that all blind people are poor and want to be served meals, etc. There was a big rift here in the 1970's because somebody wants to build a nature trail for the blind, and the NFBI Pres at the time offended somebody by discouraging it. It should be possible to let them build the trail for the community and add some features that the blind would appreciate. I believe you did that in Florida. So i'll bet you can do something worthwhile.
>
> RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 10:25 AM, Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ramona,
> >
> > Thanks so much for writing in.  You are right on!
> >
> > We have started with the small Sedro-Woolley Lions club in our area, and they have been accepting.
> >
> > What I hear you say is to work with each individual who comes across your path.
> >
> > You must have read my mind, as I have planned to call the one who needs help with his clock.  He does not live in the area, but I have some ideas on how to help, if he is open.
> >
> > Thanks so much for your wisdom and for writing in.
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Lions
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:51 AM
> > To: Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
> >
> > Judy and Chris, I am no longer a Lion, and there is no Knights for the or of the Blind committee in the main part of Iado I was a member for 15 years or so. I joined a club which has since disbanded, but I was able to get them to accept me as a regular Lion. I did all kinds of work: prepared food; set up tables; cashiered; planned programs, chaired projects, held office, and helped them learn about projects that really helped the blind. One year the Lions funded the Gding Summer Camp and several worked there. They also helped with the winter camp in the Wood River Valley area. Etc. If there is a local club to join, I think you may want to start to doing that. See if you can't win the members. Some zthe club members may be quite ready to accept you. If Knights of the Blind committees are established in some states, you are not going to be able to change that rapidly. There have been several District Governors who are blind in several parts of the country. I know of some who were members of the Federation and some who were not. But I think they really did their work and were accepted. I also know of two blind people who were international Directors. Of course, there are some blind people who will be glad for help with anything. And there are some Lions who agree that they need it. If you can make friends with the guy who is just now losing vision, it might be a good idea. You  know that most newly blind people need to make an adjustment. You never know how far they will go until you try. If he sees what you do, he may wish to do some of the same. If you offer to help him learn to use the computer with voice, he may really want to. Of course, some day we have to believe we can have face to face contact. Then you can offer to feed him. I cannot count the number of people who had their expectations raised to visiting with other blind people. I feel certain you will just get people not to like you by challenging what they are thinking as a starting point. You know the old hymn: You bring the one next to you; I'll take  the one next to me. In no time at all; we'll have them all. We'll win them, win them, one by one. 
> > As you know, I am trying to cut down at age 76, but I think my time with the Lions was well spent, both in community service and educating the Lions about blindness. I once had a district government in Twin Falls thank me profoundly for coming to see him and show him that preventing blindness and helping blind people are two different things. Most Lions programs and budgets tend to put those two things together. Some know better, but not all yet. 
> > There is a lot to do if you have the energy and use charm. 
> > RamonaOn Nov 4, 2020 7:17 AM, Milton via NFB-Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Judy,
> > >
> > > This is what I have noticed in general with many blind folks, especially the older population, they want everything on the spoon (meaning that if they can get it for free they will take it). I just wonder how much those other blind people participate in the activities of their clubs and how much to do they contribute to their clubh when there is a fundraiser.
> > >
> > > I do pay my full dues when I'm billed and pay fines when the tailtwister getsme for something, and contribute time andenergy for projects and activities when time permits. I also contribute when there is a fundraiser as well.
> > >
> > > If you and your husband don't feel comfortable with this group of Knights of the Blind, I just wonder if it is worth your time.
> > >
> > > Like me, I was asked to serve on the District Governors Cabinet and learnmore about how the District functions, and almost 6 years ago, there was a vacancy on the North Dakota Lions Foundation and the Folks on the cabinet asked me if I wanted to sit on it. I just needed the approval of the club president and she was there and was all for it.Currently I'm on my sixth year of a 2 - 3year term on the foundation and will be getting off thefoundation for 1 year. Travelling to these meeting has not been a problem and I have always had a Lion offer a ride when needed.
> > >
> > > So, find your place with Lions and run with it and you will learn a great deal about Lionism.
> > >
> > > Talk with Milt Taylor, he has been a District Governor and currently is the Multi-District Council Chair in Utah.
> > >
> > > I have been asked to consider to run for the District Governor here in North Dakota but have declined due to my health. Also, my wife is not a Lion and does't care to join.
> > >
> > > Lion Milton
> > >    
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via NFB-Lions
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 11:18 PM
> > > To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [NFB-Lions] Help, need perspective
> > >
> > > Hi, All,
> > >
> > > My husband, Chris, and I are considering joining our local Lions club.
> > >
> > > We have been asked to be part of our multi-district 19 newly-forming Knights Of The Blind committee.
> > >
> > > We like the idea of being blind members to assist our local club, and in especially reaching out to the blind in our area.
> > >
> > > What we?re finding, though, is a committee made up of people whose philosophy differs radically from ours, concerning blindness.
> > >
> > > We?ve been telling ourselves that, although our philosophies don?t jive, the commonality of serving together should unite us.
> > >
> > > We live in a semi-rural area in northern Washington, so not many blind people around and the MD-19 goes clear up into Canada, and over into parts of Idaho, so comprises a lot of territory and a lot of people.  We also belong to the state?s NFB at-large chapter as there are no chapters in our area.
> > >
> > > The WCB has prospered, also in our county, and we are the only two NFB members on the committee.
> > >
> > > We?ve become good friends with two of the couples in the WCB, but we live in different hemispheres in the way we think about blindness and the way we do life.
> > >
> > > The founder of this Knights Of The Blind committee is a very knowledgeable and experienced Lion, but is losing his vision, can?t read his e-mails, can?t change his talking clock from Daylight Savings Time, and not interested in any empowerment.  Of course that is his business, but just setting the ambience.
> > >
> > > The committee is mainly made up of blind members who are satisfied with ?visually impaired? and ?blind.?
> > >
> > > Chris and I had this discussion on how we would set the tone for blindness, that blind is blind, as people who are legally blind are, in fact, blind, that we are responsible for setting the tone for our clubs in which we serve.
> > >
> > > The rest of the committee disagreed with us, so we understand we are in the minority, but feel that we still can serve together.
> > >
> > > On tonight?s call, we had a guest speaker, familiar with Knights Of The Blind committees, and states that it is imperative to teach Lions the difference between blind and visually impaired.
> > >
> > > She goes on further to describe her visual impairment, that she doesn?t use a cane that her husband is her seeing eye dog.
> > >
> > > She talks about approaching the blind of the community, asking what they would need, what they would like to do, then proceeds to organize the projects.  These are all things done FOR the blind, because the general premise is that they don?t get out, so these planned projects are those that help them get out in public.
> > >
> > > She also states that for events with paid tickets, the blind individuals are not charged full admission, that the Lions pick up the tab.
> > >
> > > The more Chris and I are listening to this, the more uncomfortable we are feeling.  The rest of the committee is buying all this hook, line, and sinker.
> > >
> > > I think the problem Chris and I have is in the philosophy permeating this committee.
> > >
> > > We have been with the NFB since 1980, and any, have been mostly around blind folks who just do life. 
> > >
> > > I told Chris about this list, and we both feel, that, before saying anything to the committee, we need some perspective from experienced Lions who are in the NFB.
> > >
> > > We are just feeling very disappointed coming off the committee call tonight, but we don?t want to let wrong attitudes get in our way of serving.
> > >
> > > We are on the cusp of joining Lions, but giving it a second thought, and welcome questions, advice and perspective.
> > >
> > > My husband is suggesting a call, if anyone is interested, and we do have a freeconferencecall.com account we could use.
> > >
> > > Thanks a ton.
> > >
> > > Chris will also be subscribing to the nfb-lions list.
> > >
> > > Judy
> > >
> > > ? (sunrise over mountains)
> > >
> > > ?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?
> > >
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From mota1252 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 03:42:39 2020
From: mota1252 at gmail.com (Milton)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:42:39 -0600
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Let's ROAR!!!
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MARK YOUR CALENDARS!

 

Come and ROAR with fellow NFB-Lions for a 1-hour gathering via Zoom on
Saturday, November 28, 5 PM Eastern Time, 4 Central, 3 Mountain, 2 Pacific,
and Noon Hawaii.

 

Be watching for the Zoom invitation from Kyle Laconsay and join us. If you
know other Lions who are members of the National Federation of the Blind,
please tell them about this and if they are not on the NFB-Lions listserv,
tell them how to join by sending a blank message to
NFB-Lions-request at nfbnet.org <mailto:NFB-Lions-request at nfbnet.org>  and put
in the subject Subscribe.

 

Let's ROAR!!!

Lion Milton

 


From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 03:48:37 2020
From: sonshines59 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?SnVkeSBKb25lcw==?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:48:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Let's ROAR!!!
Message-ID: <000f4242.60c4aa69322307cb@infraware.co.kr>

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From mota1252 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 14:06:54 2020
From: mota1252 at gmail.com (Milton)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 08:06:54 -0600
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Let's ROAR!!!
In-Reply-To: <000f4242.60c4aa69322307cb@infraware.co.kr>
References: <000f4242.60c4aa69322307cb@infraware.co.kr>
Message-ID: <004401d6ba8f$75080d80$5f182880$@gmail.com>

Judy, yes, they are welcfomed but they need to understand that this group runs under the philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind. It is encouraged that they also consider becoming members of the National Federation of the Blind in their area/local area, and also join the listserv if they so desire. 

 

Lion Milton

 

From: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 9:49 PM
To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>; 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Milton <mota1252 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] Let's ROAR!!!

 

?Hi, Milton,

Is it okay if one of our forming MD19 Knights Of the Blind members joins us, in order to find out more about nfb-lions?

I told her about our call and how much I gained from it.

She is a member of the Anacortes club, and another member I would like to see on the call is from, I believe, the Edmonds Lion club.

Very much looking forward to the call.


----- Original Message -----
From: Milton via NFB-Lions 
To: 'NFB and Lions' 
Date: Friday, November 13, 2020 07:43 PM
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Let's ROAR!!!

MARK YOUR CALENDARS!



Come and ROAR with fellow NFB-Lions for a 1-hour gathering via Zoom on
Saturday, November 28, 5 PM Eastern Time, 4 Central, 3 Mountain, 2 Pacific,
and Noon Hawaii.



Be watching for the Zoom invitation from Kyle Laconsay and join us. If you
know other Lions who are members of the National Federation of the Blind,
please tell them about this and if they are not on the NFB-Lions listserv,
tell them how to join by sending a blank message to
NFB-Lions-request at nfbnet.org and put
in the subject Subscribe.



Let's ROAR!!!

Lion Milton



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From hearkylaugh at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 01:48:46 2020
From: hearkylaugh at gmail.com (Kyle Laconsay)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 15:48:46 -1000
Subject: [NFB-Lions] =?utf-8?q?ZOOM_Link_for_This_Saturday=E2=80=99s_Upco?=
	=?utf-8?q?ming_Meeting_on_November_28th?=
Message-ID: <CABiiVtwE8PqhmCzaj57TPPCeTj2UiK--8Aob_g2pboYQhKyoeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Kyle Laconsay is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.


Topic: NFB-Lions Next Meeting (5:00 PM EST)
Time: Nov 28, 2020 12:00 PM Hawaii

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3308548866?pwd=WGhzK3BudktoSk5CSFUvOXVvNU0wZz09

Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
Passcode: NFB-Lions
One tap mobile
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<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Tacoma)
+13462487799,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Houston)

Dial by your location
        +1 253 215 8782 <+1%20253%20215%208782> US (Tacoma)
        +1 346 248 7799 <+1%20346%20248%207799> US (Houston)
        +1 669 900 9128 <+1%20669%20900%209128>
 U

From mota1252 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 03:10:53 2020
From: mota1252 at gmail.com (Milton)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 21:10:53 -0600
Subject: [NFB-Lions] FW: ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
	November 28th
In-Reply-To: <CABiiVtwE8PqhmCzaj57TPPCeTj2UiK--8Aob_g2pboYQhKyoeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABiiVtwE8PqhmCzaj57TPPCeTj2UiK--8Aob_g2pboYQhKyoeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d6c534$1581aec0$40850c40$@gmail.com>

Hello Fellow Lions:

This is a reminder that we will be having an NFB-Lions Roaring Meeting on
Saturday, November 28, beginning at 5:00 PM ET, 4:00 PM CT, 3:00 PM MT, 2:00
PM Pt, 12:00 PM HT. The login information is below. Hope to see many of you
there.

Lion Milton

Kyle Laconsay is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.


Topic: NFB-Lions Next Meeting (5:00 PM EST)
Time: Nov 28, 2020 12:00 PM Hawaii

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3308548866?pwd=WGhzK3BudktoSk5CSFUvOXVvNU0wZz09

Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
Passcode: NFB-Lions
One tap mobile
+12532158782,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Tacoma)
+13462487799,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Houston)

Dial by your location
        +1 253 215 8782 <+1%20253%20215%208782> US (Tacoma)
        +1 346 248 7799 <+1%20346%20248%207799> US (Houston)
        +1 669 900 9128 <+1%20669%20900%209128>  U
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From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 04:26:30 2020
From: sonshines59 at gmail.com (Judy Jones)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 20:26:30 -0800
Subject: [NFB-Lions] FW: ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting
 on	November 28th
In-Reply-To: <000001d6c534$1581aec0$40850c40$@gmail.com>
References: <CABiiVtwE8PqhmCzaj57TPPCeTj2UiK--8Aob_g2pboYQhKyoeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <000001d6c534$1581aec0$40850c40$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017c01d6c53e$a6320af0$f29620d0$@gmail.com>

Thanks very much.

I think my husband, Chris, will also be on the call.

We are just about ready to join the Sedro-Woolley Lions club.

Judy


-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Milton via
NFB-Lions
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 7:11 PM
To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Milton <mota1252 at gmail.com>
Subject: [NFB-Lions] FW: ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
November 28th

Hello Fellow Lions:

This is a reminder that we will be having an NFB-Lions Roaring Meeting on
Saturday, November 28, beginning at 5:00 PM ET, 4:00 PM CT, 3:00 PM MT, 2:00
PM Pt, 12:00 PM HT. The login information is below. Hope to see many of you
there.

Lion Milton

Kyle Laconsay is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.


Topic: NFB-Lions Next Meeting (5:00 PM EST)
Time: Nov 28, 2020 12:00 PM Hawaii

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3308548866?pwd=WGhzK3BudktoSk5CSFUvOXVvNU0wZz09

Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
Passcode: NFB-Lions
One tap mobile
+12532158782,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Tacoma)
+13462487799,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Houston)

Dial by your location
        +1 253 215 8782 <+1%20253%20215%208782> US (Tacoma)
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From mota1252 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 15:05:05 2020
From: mota1252 at gmail.com (Milton)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 09:05:05 -0600
Subject: [NFB-Lions] FW: ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting
 on	November 28th
In-Reply-To: <017c01d6c53e$a6320af0$f29620d0$@gmail.com>
References: <CABiiVtwE8PqhmCzaj57TPPCeTj2UiK--8Aob_g2pboYQhKyoeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <000001d6c534$1581aec0$40850c40$@gmail.com>
 <017c01d6c53e$a6320af0$f29620d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c501d6c597$daeff1e0$90cfd5a0$@gmail.com>

Great! See you later today on the call.

Lion Milton


-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via
NFB-Lions
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 10:27 PM
To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] FW: ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting
on November 28th

Thanks very much.

I think my husband, Chris, will also be on the call.

We are just about ready to join the Sedro-Woolley Lions club.

Judy


-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Milton via
NFB-Lions
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 7:11 PM
To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Milton <mota1252 at gmail.com>
Subject: [NFB-Lions] FW: ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
November 28th

Hello Fellow Lions:

This is a reminder that we will be having an NFB-Lions Roaring Meeting on
Saturday, November 28, beginning at 5:00 PM ET, 4:00 PM CT, 3:00 PM MT, 2:00
PM Pt, 12:00 PM HT. The login information is below. Hope to see many of you
there.

Lion Milton

Kyle Laconsay is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.


Topic: NFB-Lions Next Meeting (5:00 PM EST)
Time: Nov 28, 2020 12:00 PM Hawaii

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3308548866?pwd=WGhzK3BudktoSk5CSFUvOXVvNU0wZz09

Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
Passcode: NFB-Lions
One tap mobile
+12532158782,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Tacoma)
+13462487799,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Houston)

Dial by your location
        +1 253 215 8782 <+1%20253%20215%208782> US (Tacoma)
        +1 346 248 7799 <+1%20346%20248%207799> US (Houston)
        +1 669 900 9128 <+1%20669%20900%209128>  U
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From hearkylaugh at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 21:58:30 2020
From: hearkylaugh at gmail.com (Kyle Laconsay)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 11:58:30 -1000
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Fwd: Zoom meeting invitation - NFB-Lions Next Meeting
 (5:00 PM EST)
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR04MB49015EB0361A380BCA77B810A7FD0@BYAPR04MB4901.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR04MB49015EB0361A380BCA77B810A7FD0@BYAPR04MB4901.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CABiiVtzDkVGNZJz9LNrSPMzyaC6HuRra2f3_oRn4_2_kzTLPtQ@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Michael Laconsay <dabeachbumz at hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 7:42 PM
Subject: Zoom meeting invitation - NFB-Lions Next Meeting (5:00 PM EST)
To: hearkylaugh at gmail.com <hearkylaugh at gmail.com>


Michael Laconsay is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: NFB-Lions Next Meeting (5:00 PM EST)
Time: Nov 28, 2020 12:00 PM Hawaii

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3308548866?pwd=WGhzK3BudktoSk5CSFUvOXVvNU0wZz09

Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
Passcode: NFB-Lions
One tap mobile
+12532158782,,3308548866#,,,,,,0#,,422533366# US (Tacoma)
+13462487799,,3308548866#,,,,,,0#,,422533366# US (Houston)

Dial by your location
        +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
        +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
        +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose)
        +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C)
        +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
        +1 646 558 8656 US (New York)
Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
Passcode: 422533366
Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kexGLb4WkS
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From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 22:05:36 2020
From: sonshines59 at gmail.com (Judy Jones)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:05:36 -0800
Subject: [NFB-Lions] ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
	November 28th
In-Reply-To: <CABiiVtwE8PqhmCzaj57TPPCeTj2UiK--8Aob_g2pboYQhKyoeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABiiVtwE8PqhmCzaj57TPPCeTj2UiK--8Aob_g2pboYQhKyoeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01e901d6c5d2$9a1611f0$ce4235d0$@gmail.com>

Hi, Kyle,

Chris and I can't seem to get into the meeting with the passcode NFB-Lions.

I've tried the direct link from your e-mail so am taken to the passcode
area, but not accepted.

Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kyle Laconsay
via NFB-Lions
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 5:49 PM
To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kyle Laconsay <hearkylaugh at gmail.com>
Subject: [NFB-Lions] ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
November 28th

Kyle Laconsay is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.


Topic: NFB-Lions Next Meeting (5:00 PM EST)
Time: Nov 28, 2020 12:00 PM Hawaii

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3308548866?pwd=WGhzK3BudktoSk5CSFUvOXVvNU0wZz09

Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
Passcode: NFB-Lions
One tap mobile
+12532158782,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Tacoma)
+13462487799,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Houston)

Dial by your location
        +1 253 215 8782 <+1%20253%20215%208782> US (Tacoma)
        +1 346 248 7799 <+1%20346%20248%207799> US (Houston)
        +1 669 900 9128 <+1%20669%20900%209128>  U
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From mota1252 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 22:07:45 2020
From: mota1252 at gmail.com (Milton)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 16:07:45 -0600
Subject: [NFB-Lions] ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting
 on	November 28th
In-Reply-To: <01e901d6c5d2$9a1611f0$ce4235d0$@gmail.com>
References: <CABiiVtwE8PqhmCzaj57TPPCeTj2UiK--8Aob_g2pboYQhKyoeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <01e901d6c5d2$9a1611f0$ce4235d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701d6c5d2$e6f3f500$b4dbdf00$@gmail.com>

Yes, Kyle is trying to fix the problem. Hang in there.


-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via
NFB-Lions
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 4:06 PM
To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
November 28th

Hi, Kyle,

Chris and I can't seem to get into the meeting with the passcode NFB-Lions.

I've tried the direct link from your e-mail so am taken to the passcode
area, but not accepted.

Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kyle Laconsay
via NFB-Lions
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 5:49 PM
To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kyle Laconsay <hearkylaugh at gmail.com>
Subject: [NFB-Lions] ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
November 28th

Kyle Laconsay is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.


Topic: NFB-Lions Next Meeting (5:00 PM EST)
Time: Nov 28, 2020 12:00 PM Hawaii

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3308548866?pwd=WGhzK3BudktoSk5CSFUvOXVvNU0wZz09

Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
Passcode: NFB-Lions
One tap mobile
+12532158782,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+12532158782,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Tacoma)
+13462487799,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23> US (Houston)

Dial by your location
        +1 253 215 8782 <+1%20253%20215%208782> US (Tacoma)
        +1 346 248 7799 <+1%20346%20248%207799> US (Houston)
        +1 669 900 9128 <+1%20669%20900%209128>  U
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From hearkylaugh at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 22:08:06 2020
From: hearkylaugh at gmail.com (Kyle Laconsay)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 12:08:06 -1000
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Fwd: Zoom meeting invitation - NFB-Lions New Meeting
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR04MB4901F00335B477302B9573CCA7F70@BYAPR04MB4901.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR04MB4901F00335B477302B9573CCA7F70@BYAPR04MB4901.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CABiiVtybCGR=fARpAt37JLYha6-kS6Ti1q4mc-z228OFUqJiBw@mail.gmail.com>

NEW MEETING at 12:15pm TODAY!

NOTE: NO PASSCODE

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Michael Laconsay <dabeachbumz at hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 12:05 PM
Subject: Zoom meeting invitation - DENFB-Lions New Meeting
To: hearkylaugh at gmail.com <hearkylaugh at gmail.com>ASS


Michael Laconsay is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: NFB-Lions New Meeting
Time: Nov 28, 2020 12:15 PM Hawaii

Join Zoom Meeting
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Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
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From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 23:39:45 2020
From: sonshines59 at gmail.com (Judy Jones)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:39:45 -0800
Subject: [NFB-Lions] ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting
 on	November 28th
In-Reply-To: <000701d6c5d2$e6f3f500$b4dbdf00$@gmail.com>
References: <CABiiVtwE8PqhmCzaj57TPPCeTj2UiK--8Aob_g2pboYQhKyoeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <01e901d6c5d2$9a1611f0$ce4235d0$@gmail.com>
 <000701d6c5d2$e6f3f500$b4dbdf00$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <022b01d6c5df$c1264d20$4372e760$@gmail.com>

Thanks so much, Milton,

Judy


-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Milton via
NFB-Lions
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:08 PM
To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Milton <mota1252 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
November 28th

Yes, Kyle is trying to fix the problem. Hang in there.


-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via
NFB-Lions
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 4:06 PM
To: 'NFB and Lions' <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Lions] ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
November 28th

Hi, Kyle,

Chris and I can't seem to get into the meeting with the passcode NFB-Lions.

I've tried the direct link from your e-mail so am taken to the passcode
area, but not accepted.

Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Lions <nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kyle Laconsay
via NFB-Lions
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 5:49 PM
To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kyle Laconsay <hearkylaugh at gmail.com>
Subject: [NFB-Lions] ZOOM Link for This Saturday's Upcoming Meeting on
November 28th

Kyle Laconsay is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.


Topic: NFB-Lions Next Meeting (5:00 PM EST)
Time: Nov 28, 2020 12:00 PM Hawaii

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3308548866?pwd=WGhzK3BudktoSk5CSFUvOXVvNU0wZz09

Meeting ID: 330 854 8866
Passcode: NFB-Lions
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+13462487799,,3308548866#,,,,,
<+13462487799,,3308548866%23,,,,,,0%23,,422533366%23>,0#,,422533366#
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From sonshines59 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 00:27:57 2020
From: sonshines59 at gmail.com (Judy Jones)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 16:27:57 -0800
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Thank you all for this afternoon.
Message-ID: <02d201d6c5e6$7ce746d0$76b5d470$@gmail.com>

Hi,

 

I want to thank all those who were on the call for putting up with this newbie?s questions.

 

As I told Miltons, Kyle, Cory, Chris and I are about to join our local club in December.

 

I would encourage other lions on the list to please join our next call December 26, with info to come.

 

One thing that was of concern to all of us is to get Lions to start putting up accessible electronic documents for Lions to use as needed.  Especially the packet information, that I understand is not on the web site.  I really need to go see what is there, and how the PDF looks, if the text is at all accessible.

 

Thanks again, Kyle and husband, for hosting today.

 

Judy

? (sunrise over mountains)

?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?

 

 


From hearkylaugh at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 00:36:51 2020
From: hearkylaugh at gmail.com (Kyle Laconsay)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:36:51 -1000
Subject: [NFB-Lions] Thank you all for this afternoon.
In-Reply-To: <02d201d6c5e6$7ce746d0$76b5d470$@gmail.com>
References: <02d201d6c5e6$7ce746d0$76b5d470$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABiiVtzqLr573mw6M+bA-27-JjSrEbmTJ9Uh=ECt4wKo7GG-9g@mail.gmail.com>

Sooo GRATEFUL to have ?newbies? like you, Judy & Chris, to join the family
of Lions! You guys are a great asset to all of us. When I first joined, and
was able to convince my hubby Mick, to join also, Lions Club of Honolulu
was so happy to have 2-in-1!

Let?s do THIS! Let?s make Lions materials accessible to ALL!!!

Merry Christmas everyone and much Aloha,

Lion Kyle

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 2:29 PM Judy Jones via NFB-Lions <
nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I want to thank all those who were on the call for putting up with this
> newbie?s questions.
>
>
>
> As I told Miltons, Kyle, Cory, Chris and I are about to join our local
> club in December.
>
>
>
> I would encourage other lions on the list to please join our next call
> December 26, with info to come.
>
>
>
> One thing that was of concern to all of us is to get Lions to start
> putting up accessible electronic documents for Lions to use as needed.
> Especially the packet information, that I understand is not on the web
> site.  I really need to go see what is there, and how the PDF looks, if the
> text is at all accessible.
>
>
>
> Thanks again, Kyle and husband, for hosting today.
>
>
>
> Judy
>
> ? (sunrise over mountains)
>
> ?embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.?
>
>
>
>
>
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