From mota1252 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 16:24:07 2015
From: mota1252 at gmail.com (Milton Ota)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 10:24:07 -0600
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Lions Magazine for November in MP3 Now Available
Message-ID: <000501d12c54$b42da3e0$1c88eba0$@gmail.com>

You can now either listen or download the MP3 files for the November issue
of the Lions Magazine at the following:

 

http://www.lionsclubs.org/EN/news-media/lion-magazine/audio/2015-11.php

If you have trouble, please contact me directly.

 

Lion Milton

Co-Chair

NFB-Lions

 



From mota1252 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 14:45:31 2015
From: mota1252 at gmail.com (Milton Ota)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:45:31 -0600
Subject: [Nfb-lions] The Lions Magazine for January 2016
Message-ID: <003301d14247$915e1b70$b41a5250$@gmail.com>

The Lions Magazine for January 2016 is now available via the NFB-NewslineR
service for those who have access to NFB-NewslineR via phone, web, app, etc.

 

If you have questions, post to the list as I monitor the list and can answer
questions.

 

Please also spread the word to any blind Lions member about this service.



From paulsmith at samobile.net  Tue Dec 29 15:34:04 2015
From: paulsmith at samobile.net (Paul Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:34:04 -0500
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine on
	NFB Newsline
Message-ID: <4679c097.056e.4f91.b80d.f272e05d7433@samobile.net>

Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word about 
The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just might 
increase readership.

Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your 
locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag on 
NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to 
this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of 
NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in 
Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated 
locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program 
that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into 
say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a 
volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.

Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new 
year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow 
Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club



From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 15:42:50 2015
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:42:50 +0100
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
In-Reply-To: <4679c097.056e.4f91.b80d.f272e05d7433@samobile.net>
References: <4679c097.056e.4f91.b80d.f272e05d7433@samobile.net>
Message-ID: <CAOQ97286U=8SGq_qpcgrqbPfYTh+jPQSVe-9jrVWAyHbNohe_Q@mail.gmail.com>

I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
Blind penpals
but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to
blind people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them
but don't see much difference. It will make it much easier if they
make it in one pdf file per magazine that would be read at a click of
a button or one audio file that we could access by downloading,
otherwise, it is too much scrolling and on the pdf version, most of
the pages are mixed up and repeated.

On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word about
> The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just might
> increase readership.
>
> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag on
> NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.
>
> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nfb-lions mailing list
> Nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Nfb-lions:
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>



From todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 18:23:34 2015
From: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com (Todd Orlowski)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:23:34 -0600
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ97286U=8SGq_qpcgrqbPfYTh+jPQSVe-9jrVWAyHbNohe_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4679c097.056e.4f91.b80d.f272e05d7433@samobile.net>
	<CAOQ97286U=8SGq_qpcgrqbPfYTh+jPQSVe-9jrVWAyHbNohe_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5682CFA6.9060402@gmail.com>

I would recommend contacting them again and see if they can offer a word 
or text document version which more than likely they will have because 
they had to start it in another program before moving it over into a PDF 
format.


On 12/29/2015 9:42 AM, adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions wrote:
> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
> Blind penpals
> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to
> blind people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them
> but don't see much difference. It will make it much easier if they
> make it in one pdf file per magazine that would be read at a click of
> a button or one audio file that we could access by downloading,
> otherwise, it is too much scrolling and on the pdf version, most of
> the pages are mixed up and repeated.
>
> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word about
>> The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just might
>> increase readership.
>>
>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag on
>> NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.
>>
>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nfb-lions mailing list
>> Nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 18:54:39 2015
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:54:39 +0100
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
In-Reply-To: <5682CFA6.9060402@gmail.com>
References: <4679c097.056e.4f91.b80d.f272e05d7433@samobile.net>
	<CAOQ97286U=8SGq_qpcgrqbPfYTh+jPQSVe-9jrVWAyHbNohe_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5682CFA6.9060402@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOQ972_nwFxwgmiGjBzhPtP4aJY2gCU8nPF35hReT-Gi2ERBUg@mail.gmail.com>

I also suggested this to them, but they said it couldn't be done and
said they would consider it in the future. That is why I once
suggested that all of us start asking them about this.

On 12/29/15, Todd Orlowski via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I would recommend contacting them again and see if they can offer a word
> or text document version which more than likely they will have because
> they had to start it in another program before moving it over into a PDF
> format.
>
>
> On 12/29/2015 9:42 AM, adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions wrote:
>> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
>> Blind penpals
>> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to
>> blind people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them
>> but don't see much difference. It will make it much easier if they
>> make it in one pdf file per magazine that would be read at a click of
>> a button or one audio file that we could access by downloading,
>> otherwise, it is too much scrolling and on the pdf version, most of
>> the pages are mixed up and repeated.
>>
>> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word about
>>> The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just might
>>> increase readership.
>>>
>>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
>>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag on
>>> NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
>>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
>>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
>>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
>>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
>>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
>>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
>>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
>>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
>>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfb-lions mailing list
>>> Nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Nfb-lions:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org/adrijana.prokopenko%40gmail.com
>>>
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>
>
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From mota1252 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 19:30:17 2015
From: mota1252 at gmail.com (Milton Ota)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:30:17 -0600
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
	on NFB Newsline
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ972_nwFxwgmiGjBzhPtP4aJY2gCU8nPF35hReT-Gi2ERBUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4679c097.056e.4f91.b80d.f272e05d7433@samobile.net>	<CAOQ97286U=8SGq_qpcgrqbPfYTh+jPQSVe-9jrVWAyHbNohe_Q@mail.gmail.com>	<5682CFA6.9060402@gmail.com>
	<CAOQ972_nwFxwgmiGjBzhPtP4aJY2gCU8nPF35hReT-Gi2ERBUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01d1426f$59534ed0$0bf9ec70$@gmail.com>

I'm not sure if all of you are aware about the future of publications put
out by Lions International--by 2018 plans are to discontinue the Lions
Magazine in a print format that is mailed to each and every individual
member. The magazine will be only available in a digital format via the web.
It is to bring Lions International into the total digital age so we don't
know what it is going to be like in terms of accessibility for Lions who are
blind or visually impaired. 

I have a reliable source about this digitalization as a member from my club
is on his second year as an International director. 

Currently if you have an iPad (any model) there is an app in the app store
that will allow you to read the magazine on your iPad. The app is optimized
only for the iPad so those using an iPhone won't be able to download and
install this app.

At one time there was a volunteer group out of San Jose, California that was
recording the Lions magazine on cassette. Then, Learning Ally began
producing it on CDs and now the magazine is not only available from Learning
Ally on CD but the mp3 files are made available to Lions International for
posting on their website.

It is only recently that NFB-Newsline picked up the magazine and that is a
great thing. There are a few staff in the national office that are Lions
members as well so this could have been something they talked with Lions
International about.

If you have further questions, post them here.


-----Original Message-----
From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of adrijana
prokopenko via Nfb-lions
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 12:55 PM
To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
on NFB Newsline

I also suggested this to them, but they said it couldn't be done and
said they would consider it in the future. That is why I once
suggested that all of us start asking them about this.

On 12/29/15, Todd Orlowski via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I would recommend contacting them again and see if they can offer a word
> or text document version which more than likely they will have because
> they had to start it in another program before moving it over into a PDF
> format.
>
>
> On 12/29/2015 9:42 AM, adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions wrote:
>> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
>> Blind penpals
>> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to
>> blind people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them
>> but don't see much difference. It will make it much easier if they
>> make it in one pdf file per magazine that would be read at a click of
>> a button or one audio file that we could access by downloading,
>> otherwise, it is too much scrolling and on the pdf version, most of
>> the pages are mixed up and repeated.
>>
>> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word about
>>> The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just might
>>> increase readership.
>>>
>>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
>>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag on
>>> NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
>>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
>>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
>>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
>>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
>>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
>>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
>>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
>>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
>>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfb-lions mailing list
>>> Nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Nfb-lions:
>>>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org/adrijana.prokopenko%4
0gmail.com
>>>
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il.com
>
>
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From blinddog3 at charter.net  Tue Dec 29 23:28:42 2015
From: blinddog3 at charter.net (Steven Johnson)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:28:42 -0600
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
	on NFB Newsline
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ97286U=8SGq_qpcgrqbPfYTh+jPQSVe-9jrVWAyHbNohe_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4679c097.056e.4f91.b80d.f272e05d7433@samobile.net>
	<CAOQ97286U=8SGq_qpcgrqbPfYTh+jPQSVe-9jrVWAyHbNohe_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002501d14290$a7ccb670$f7662350$@charter.net>

Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make this work
for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't have the computer
skills we have, so making this accessible to all Lions is really essential
especially with this transition.  I can put a good word out to 2 of our club
members who are past International Directors to see if they know what the
best avenue to pursue this might be.

Lion Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of adrijana
prokopenko via Nfb-lions
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
To: NFB and Lions
Cc: adrijana prokopenko
Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
on NFB Newsline

I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
Blind penpals
but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to blind
people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them but don't see
much difference. It will make it much easier if they make it in one pdf file
per magazine that would be read at a click of a button or one audio file
that we could access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling and
on the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.

On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word 
> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just 
> might increase readership.
>
> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your 
> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag 
> on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to 
> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of 
> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in 
> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated 
> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program 
> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into 
> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a 
> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.
>
> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new 
> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow 
> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nfb-lions mailing list
> Nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Nfb-lions:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org/adrijana.prokop
> enko%40gmail.com
>

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From kc9cda at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 23:57:50 2015
From: kc9cda at yahoo.com (Cori Willls)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:57:50 -0500
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
	on NFB Newsline
In-Reply-To: <002501d14290$a7ccb670$f7662350$@charter.net>
References: <4679c097.056e.4f91.b80d.f272e05d7433@samobile.net>
	<CAOQ97286U=8SGq_qpcgrqbPfYTh+jPQSVe-9jrVWAyHbNohe_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<002501d14290$a7ccb670$f7662350$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <6EEE811B-D12B-4224-9632-AC20EA7A19D4@yahoo.com>

I like adding it on Newsline. It's where you could have access to it all the time off your phone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Steven Johnson via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make this work
> for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't have the computer
> skills we have, so making this accessible to all Lions is really essential
> especially with this transition.  I can put a good word out to 2 of our club
> members who are past International Directors to see if they know what the
> best avenue to pursue this might be.
> 
> Lion Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of adrijana
> prokopenko via Nfb-lions
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
> To: NFB and Lions
> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
> on NFB Newsline
> 
> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
> Blind penpals
> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to blind
> people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them but don't see
> much difference. It will make it much easier if they make it in one pdf file
> per magazine that would be read at a click of a button or one audio file
> that we could access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling and
> on the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.
> 
> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word 
>> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just 
>> might increase readership.
>> 
>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your 
>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag 
>> on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to 
>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of 
>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in 
>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated 
>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program 
>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into 
>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a 
>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.
>> 
>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new 
>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow 
>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nfb-lions mailing list
>> Nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Nfb-lions:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org/adrijana.prokop
>> enko%40gmail.com
> 
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From mota1252 at samobile.net  Wed Dec 30 00:15:58 2015
From: mota1252 at samobile.net (Milton Ota)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:15:58 -0500
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
Message-ID: <1f200bd0.9362.4988.b983.e6c270c1fb05@samobile.net>

>From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all 
digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to accommodate 
those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.

Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will have to 
help those who don'[t have a computer and print the magazine out for them.

I already see our district pretty much going digital with the district 
newsletter being sent out via e-mail and the club bulletin likewise. 
And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to have 
anything to do with a computer.

Original message:
> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make this work
> for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't have the computer
> skills we have, so making this accessible to all Lions is really essential
> especially with this transition.  I can put a good word out to 2 of our club
> members who are past International Directors to see if they know what the
> best avenue to pursue this might be.

> Lion Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of adrijana
> prokopenko via Nfb-lions
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
> To: NFB and Lions
> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
> on NFB Newsline

> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
> Blind penpals
> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to blind
> people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them but don't see
> much difference. It will make it much easier if they make it in one pdf file
> per magazine that would be read at a click of a button or one audio file
> that we could access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling and
> on the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.

> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word
>> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just
>> might increase readership.

>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag
>> on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.

>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club

>> _______________________________________________
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From Albert at Myblindspot.org  Wed Dec 30 02:42:07 2015
From: Albert at Myblindspot.org (Albert Rizzi)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 02:42:07 +0000
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
In-Reply-To: <1f200bd0.9362.4988.b983.e6c270c1fb05@samobile.net>
References: <1f200bd0.9362.4988.b983.e6c270c1fb05@samobile.net>
Message-ID: <SN1PR0701MB1998A901EB2C8CF4332ED55EC3FD0@SN1PR0701MB1998.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Do people really not have computers today? We cannot halt the future from happening. My parents have a computer and they are in their early 70's and I have friends who are older with computers.

Before people stomp off asking for accommodations  why not find out just how many people we are talking about. if it is as small a number as I suspect, anyone of us can print out a brochure in large print, and do what Lions do best. Serve. Serve those handful of people by printing things out in large print and sending on the newsletter. Otherwise, I would think there might be a braille options as well.

It is hard to believe, no accept, that in the 21st century, nearly 20 years into the next century, that people are still not computer savvy.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Milton Ota via Nfb-lions
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:16 PM
To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
Cc: Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline

>From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all 
digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to accommodate 
those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.

Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will have to 
help those who don'[t have a computer and print the magazine out for them.

I already see our district pretty much going digital with the district 
newsletter being sent out via e-mail and the club bulletin likewise. 
And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to have 
anything to do with a computer.

Original message:
> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make this work
> for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't have the computer
> skills we have, so making this accessible to all Lions is really essential
> especially with this transition.  I can put a good word out to 2 of our club
> members who are past International Directors to see if they know what the
> best avenue to pursue this might be.

> Lion Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of adrijana
> prokopenko via Nfb-lions
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
> To: NFB and Lions
> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
> on NFB Newsline

> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
> Blind penpals
> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to blind
> people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them but don't see
> much difference. It will make it much easier if they make it in one pdf file
> per magazine that would be read at a click of a button or one audio file
> that we could access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling and
> on the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.

> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word
>> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just
>> might increase readership.

>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag
>> on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.

>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club

>> _______________________________________________
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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 03:14:33 2015
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 04:14:33 +0100
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR0701MB1998A901EB2C8CF4332ED55EC3FD0@SN1PR0701MB1998.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1f200bd0.9362.4988.b983.e6c270c1fb05@samobile.net>
	<SN1PR0701MB1998A901EB2C8CF4332ED55EC3FD0@SN1PR0701MB1998.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAOQ972_xW-5X-Zwdpksi5jqT+E-jja7bHyF8_noraUjxKCDNVw@mail.gmail.com>

I contacted them about that, the editor said she will connect to the
webmaster, but after that, no changes were made, he got back to me to
ask me further questions and their decision was that all articles were
submited separately and the mix up of pages in the pdf version
couldn't be identified by them.

On 12/30/15, Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Do people really not have computers today? We cannot halt the future from
> happening. My parents have a computer and they are in their early 70's and I
> have friends who are older with computers.
>
> Before people stomp off asking for accommodations  why not find out just how
> many people we are talking about. if it is as small a number as I suspect,
> anyone of us can print out a brochure in large print, and do what Lions do
> best. Serve. Serve those handful of people by printing things out in large
> print and sending on the newsletter. Otherwise, I would think there might be
> a braille options as well.
>
> It is hard to believe, no accept, that in the 21st century, nearly 20 years
> into the next century, that people are still not computer savvy.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Milton
> Ota via Nfb-lions
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:16 PM
> To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
> on NFB Newsline
>
> >From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all
> digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to accommodate
> those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.
>
> Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will have to
> help those who don'[t have a computer and print the magazine out for them.
>
> I already see our district pretty much going digital with the district
> newsletter being sent out via e-mail and the club bulletin likewise.
> And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to have
> anything to do with a computer.
>
> Original message:
>> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make this
>> work
>> for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't have the
>> computer
>> skills we have, so making this accessible to all Lions is really
>> essential
>> especially with this transition.  I can put a good word out to 2 of our
>> club
>> members who are past International Directors to see if they know what the
>> best avenue to pursue this might be.
>
>> Lion Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> adrijana
>> prokopenko via Nfb-lions
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
>> To: NFB and Lions
>> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
>> Magazine
>> on NFB Newsline
>
>> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
>> Blind penpals
>> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to blind
>> people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them but don't
>> see
>> much difference. It will make it much easier if they make it in one pdf
>> file
>> per magazine that would be read at a click of a button or one audio file
>> that we could access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling
>> and
>> on the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.
>
>> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word
>>> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just
>>> might increase readership.
>
>>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
>>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag
>>> on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
>>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
>>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
>>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
>>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
>>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
>>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
>>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a
>>> suggestion.
>
>>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
>>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
>>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfb-lions mailing list
>>> Nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Nfb-lions:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org/adrijana.prokop
>>> enko%40gmail.com
>
>
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 30 12:08:33 2015
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 07:08:33 -0500
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
Message-ID: <BLU402-EAS1892F64E14F8C1A734AAE82A1FD0@phx.gbl>



Many people do not use computers my mother doesn't she is going to be 70 and I know others as well. I also know many blind people who also do not have computers


Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4

-------- Original message --------
From: adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Date: 12/29/2015  10:16 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline

I contacted them about that, the editor said she will connect to the
webmaster, but after that, no changes were made, he got back to me to
ask me further questions and their decision was that all articles were
submited separately and the mix up of pages in the pdf version
couldn't be identified by them.

On 12/30/15, Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Do people really not have computers today? We cannot halt the future from
> happening. My parents have a computer and they are in their early 70's and I
> have friends who are older with computers.
>
> Before people stomp off asking for accommodations  why not find out just how
> many people we are talking about. if it is as small a number as I suspect,
> anyone of us can print out a brochure in large print, and do what Lions do
> best. Serve. Serve those handful of people by printing things out in large
> print and sending on the newsletter. Otherwise, I would think there might be
> a braille options as well.
>
> It is hard to believe, no accept, that in the 21st century, nearly 20 years
> into the next century, that people are still not computer savvy.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Milton
> Ota via Nfb-lions
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:16 PM
> To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
> on NFB Newsline
>
> >From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all
> digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to accommodate
> those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.
>
> Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will have to
> help those who don'[t have a computer and print the magazine out for them.
>
> I already see our district pretty much going digital with the district
> newsletter being sent out via e-mail and the club bulletin likewise.
> And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to have
> anything to do with a computer.
>
> Original message:
>> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make this
>> work
>> for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't have the
>> computer
>> skills we have, so making this accessible to all Lions is really
>> essential
>> especially with this transition.  I can put a good word out to 2 of our
>> club
>> members who are past International Directors to see if they know what the
>> best avenue to pursue this might be.
>
>> Lion Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> adrijana
>> prokopenko via Nfb-lions
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
>> To: NFB and Lions
>> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
>> Magazine
>> on NFB Newsline
>
>> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
>> Blind penpals
>> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to blind
>> people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them but don't
>> see
>> much difference. It will make it much easier if they make it in one pdf
>> file
>> per magazine that would be read at a click of a button or one audio file
>> that we could access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling
>> and
>> on the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.
>
>> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word
>>> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just
>>> might increase readership.
>
>>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
>>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag
>>> on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
>>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
>>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
>>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
>>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
>>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
>>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
>>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a
>>> suggestion.
>
>>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
>>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
>>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfb-lions mailing list
>>> Nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> enko%40gmail.com
>
>
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From paulsmith at samobile.net  Wed Dec 30 13:15:17 2015
From: paulsmith at samobile.net (Paul Smith)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 08:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
Message-ID: <361de095.cea1.43a5.a0e6.b678383a5ecd@samobile.net>

I'd like to see those who advocate the use of computers put themselves 
in the situation of those who don't have a computer, don't want one or 
even find it difficult to use one for whatever reason.  Then after a 
sufficient amount of time, I guarantee that they will change their tune 
pretty quickly.  Never mind that in most areas of life I'm traditional, 
but one should think of those who aren't up-to-date with modern 
technology, blind or otherwise.  Paul



From Albert at Myblindspot.org  Wed Dec 30 14:08:13 2015
From: Albert at Myblindspot.org (Albert Rizzi)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:08:13 +0000
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
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That is unfortunate. But progress cannot be halted because a few people are not able to commit to the 21st century. But that is just my opinion. However, to overcome this lack of availability to computers that people intentionally choose for their lives, I suggest that fellow Lions print out any information in large print, or from their braille printers and send it to those who do not want to use a computer. Otherwise, the law still states in the format we prefer, and the few people still refusing to get a computer can get what they need, when asked one would assume, in large print or braille for that matter. a company's policy does not trump the ADA. 

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Many people do not use computers my mother doesn't she is going to be 70 and I know others as well. I also know many blind people who also do not have computers


Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4

-------- Original message --------
From: adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Date: 12/29/2015  10:16 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline

I contacted them about that, the editor said she will connect to the
webmaster, but after that, no changes were made, he got back to me to
ask me further questions and their decision was that all articles were
submited separately and the mix up of pages in the pdf version
couldn't be identified by them.

On 12/30/15, Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Do people really not have computers today? We cannot halt the future from
> happening. My parents have a computer and they are in their early 70's and I
> have friends who are older with computers.
>
> Before people stomp off asking for accommodations  why not find out just how
> many people we are talking about. if it is as small a number as I suspect,
> anyone of us can print out a brochure in large print, and do what Lions do
> best. Serve. Serve those handful of people by printing things out in large
> print and sending on the newsletter. Otherwise, I would think there might be
> a braille options as well.
>
> It is hard to believe, no accept, that in the 21st century, nearly 20 years
> into the next century, that people are still not computer savvy.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Milton
> Ota via Nfb-lions
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:16 PM
> To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
> on NFB Newsline
>
> >From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all
> digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to accommodate
> those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.
>
> Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will have to
> help those who don'[t have a computer and print the magazine out for them.
>
> I already see our district pretty much going digital with the district
> newsletter being sent out via e-mail and the club bulletin likewise.
> And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to have
> anything to do with a computer.
>
> Original message:
>> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make this
>> work
>> for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't have the
>> computer
>> skills we have, so making this accessible to all Lions is really
>> essential
>> especially with this transition.  I can put a good word out to 2 of our
>> club
>> members who are past International Directors to see if they know what the
>> best avenue to pursue this might be.
>
>> Lion Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> adrijana
>> prokopenko via Nfb-lions
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
>> To: NFB and Lions
>> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
>> Magazine
>> on NFB Newsline
>
>> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
>> Blind penpals
>> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to blind
>> people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them but don't
>> see
>> much difference. It will make it much easier if they make it in one pdf
>> file
>> per magazine that would be read at a click of a button or one audio file
>> that we could access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling
>> and
>> on the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.
>
>> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word
>>> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just
>>> might increase readership.
>
>>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
>>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag
>>> on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
>>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
>>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
>>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
>>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
>>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
>>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
>>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a
>>> suggestion.
>
>>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
>>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
>>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Albert at Myblindspot.org  Wed Dec 30 14:14:27 2015
From: Albert at Myblindspot.org (Albert Rizzi)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:14:27 +0000
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
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Paul,

I do put myself in a few people's shoes as I advocate for our rights, but being practical and current is a critical component for our survival in this society, again in my opinion. Regardless of what I think,. I made it clear that according to the ADA we are entitled to printed materials in those formats of our choosing. If a person still does not want to get a computer then they can, and should, ask for materials in braille or large print.

We are in the 21st century and people need to get on board with the "trends". The same thing happened back when we transitioned from the electric typewriter to the computer. How many people out there have an electric typewriter these days? they do not even manufacturer them any longer. The same can be said about the cell phone when they came out and the car when we transitioned from the horse and buggy. In my opinion, history is without a doubt, bound to repeat itself again. 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline

I'd like to see those who advocate the use of computers put themselves 
in the situation of those who don't have a computer, don't want one or 
even find it difficult to use one for whatever reason.  Then after a 
sufficient amount of time, I guarantee that they will change their tune 
pretty quickly.  Never mind that in most areas of life I'm traditional, 
but one should think of those who aren't up-to-date with modern 
technology, blind or otherwise.  Paul

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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 16:29:38 2015
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:29:38 +0100
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
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Computers are a great thing, but sometimes you got to imagine what
would happen if you got more than one disability and not much money,
if you have a hearing impairment as well and no braille displays or if
you got a learning disability or no fingers to use a computer? Those
people aren't reading this, so if someone doesn't reply in their name,
they will be totally forgotten in this.

On 12/30/15, Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I do put myself in a few people's shoes as I advocate for our rights, but
> being practical and current is a critical component for our survival in this
> society, again in my opinion. Regardless of what I think,. I made it clear
> that according to the ADA we are entitled to printed materials in those
> formats of our choosing. If a person still does not want to get a computer
> then they can, and should, ask for materials in braille or large print.
>
> We are in the 21st century and people need to get on board with the
> "trends". The same thing happened back when we transitioned from the
> electric typewriter to the computer. How many people out there have an
> electric typewriter these days? they do not even manufacturer them any
> longer. The same can be said about the cell phone when they came out and the
> car when we transitioned from the horse and buggy. In my opinion, history is
> without a doubt, bound to repeat itself again.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul
> Smith via Nfb-lions
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:15 AM
> To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Paul Smith <paulsmith at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
> on NFB Newsline
>
> I'd like to see those who advocate the use of computers put themselves
> in the situation of those who don't have a computer, don't want one or
> even find it difficult to use one for whatever reason.  Then after a
> sufficient amount of time, I guarantee that they will change their tune
> pretty quickly.  Never mind that in most areas of life I'm traditional,
> but one should think of those who aren't up-to-date with modern
> technology, blind or otherwise.  Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec 30 19:33:49 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:33:49 -0600
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
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	amprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Albert:

I agree with you that things change, and move 
on.  I understand the Lions letting go the print 
publication, many organizations, including 
newspapers have already done so.  However, your 
generalizations about people who don't have 
computers seem pretty judgmental to me.  There 
might be lots of reasons why someone doesn't have 
a computer. Your saying ""refusal to get a 
computer" isn't accurate I think. They might not 
be able to afford one, they might not have access 
to broadband, they might not have room, or they 
may have made a conscious decision to not go down that road.

I worked with my Father some, before he died, on 
computer stuff, and there were things that just 
involved too many steps for him to readily learn.

Dave

At 08:08 AM 12/30/2015, you wrote:
>That is unfortunate. But progress cannot be 
>halted because a few people are not able to 
>commit to the 21st century. But that is just my 
>opinion. However, to overcome this lack of 
>availability to computers that people 
>intentionally choose for their lives, I suggest 
>that fellow Lions print out any information in 
>large print, or from their braille printers and 
>send it to those who do not want to use a 
>computer. Otherwise, the law still states in the 
>format we prefer, and the few people still 
>refusing to get a computer can get what they 
>need, when asked one would assume, in large 
>print or braille for that matter. a company's policy does not trump the ADA.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nfb-lions 
>[mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>Of cheryl echevarria via Nfb-lions
>Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:09 AM
>To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion 
>About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline
>
>
>
>Many people do not use computers my mother 
>doesn't she is going to be 70 and I know others 
>as well. I also know many blind people who also do not have computers
>
>
>Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S??4
>
>-------- Original message --------
>From: adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>Date: 12/29/2015  10:16 PM  (GMT-05:00)
>To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion 
>About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline
>
>I contacted them about that, the editor said she will connect to the
>webmaster, but after that, no changes were made, he got back to me to
>ask me further questions and their decision was that all articles were
>submited separately and the mix up of pages in the pdf version
>couldn't be identified by them.
>
>On 12/30/15, Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Do people really not have computers today? We cannot halt the future from
> > happening. My parents have a computer and 
> they are in their early 70's and I
> > have friends who are older with computers.
> >
> > Before people stomp off asking for 
> accommodations  why not find out just how
> > many people we are talking about. if it is as small a number as I suspect,
> > anyone of us can print out a brochure in large print, and do what Lions do
> > best. Serve. Serve those handful of people by printing things out in large
> > print and sending on the newsletter. 
> Otherwise, I would think there might be
> > a braille options as well.
> >
> > It is hard to believe, no accept, that in the 21st century, nearly 20 years
> > into the next century, that people are still not computer savvy.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Milton
> > Ota via Nfb-lions
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:16 PM
> > To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
> > on NFB Newsline
> >
> > >From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all
> > digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to accommodate
> > those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.
> >
> > Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will have to
> > help those who don'[t have a computer and print the magazine out for them.
> >
> > I already see our district pretty much going digital with the district
> > newsletter being sent out via e-mail and the club bulletin likewise.
> > And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to have
> > anything to do with a computer.
> >
> > Original message:
> >> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make this
> >> work
> >> for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't have the
> >> computer
> >> skills we have, so making this accessible to all Lions is really
> >> essential
> >> especially with this transition.  I can put a good word out to 2 of our
> >> club
> >> members who are past International Directors to see if they know what the
> >> best avenue to pursue this might be.
> >
> >> Lion Steve
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> adrijana
> >> prokopenko via Nfb-lions
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
> >> To: NFB and Lions
> >> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
> >> Magazine
> >> on NFB Newsline
> >
> >> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
> >> Blind penpals
> >> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to blind
> >> people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to them but don't
> >> see
> >> much difference. It will make it much easier if they make it in one pdf
> >> file
> >> per magazine that would be read at a click of a button or one audio file
> >> that we could access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling
> >> and
> >> on the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.
> >
> >> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word
> >>> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just
> >>> might increase readership.
> >
> >>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in your
> >>> locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of our mag
> >>> on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk who listen to
> >>> this kind of specialized reading service who are also subscribers of
> >>> NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio reading service here in
> >>> Baltimore, and hopefully before too long something can be generated
> >>> locally.  You might even determine if your local club has a program
> >>> that blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated into
> >>> say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of course that a
> >>> volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a
> >>> suggestion.
> >
> >>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good new
> >>> year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  Your fellow
> >>> Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
> >
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Nfb-lions mailing list
> >>> Nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> Nfb-lions:
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-lions_nfbnet.org/adrijana.prokop
> >>> enko%40gmail.com
> >
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
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         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org




From Albert at Myblindspot.org  Wed Dec 30 19:55:35 2015
From: Albert at Myblindspot.org (Albert Rizzi)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:55:35 +0000
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
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David,

We can agree to disagree. Regardless my stand or opinions on the computer issues, the Lions Club is bound by law to provide people materials in the format of their choice.

As a Lion, and past officer of my club here on Long Island, I wrote to Past International President Joe Preston and asked him to approve a resolution about using the appropriate white cane used, and recognized internationally, used by people who are blind. Previously they used the crookd  cane often used for people needing to lean on the same.

So, opinions aside about the computer issue, I am thinking that a simple request and appropriate request would be in order. But, I for one, am happy to know that we are going to be killing less trees in this instance, and would urge others to get on board and get a computer or a smart phone in this instance.

Like I mentioned before, there are many times throughout our history where one invention made another one obsolete.

The computer or smart phones are not going away, they are only going to be more and more prevalent and a requirement in the coming years.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:34 PM
To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline

Albert:

I agree with you that things change, and move on.  I understand the Lions letting go the print publication, many organizations, including newspapers have already done so.  However, your generalizations about people who don't have computers seem pretty judgmental to me.  There might be lots of reasons why someone doesn't have a computer. Your saying ""refusal to get a computer" isn't accurate I think. They might not be able to afford one, they might not have access to broadband, they might not have room, or they may have made a conscious decision to not go down that road.

I worked with my Father some, before he died, on computer stuff, and there were things that just involved too many steps for him to readily learn.

Dave

At 08:08 AM 12/30/2015, you wrote:
>That is unfortunate. But progress cannot be halted because a few people 
>are not able to commit to the 21st century. But that is just my 
>opinion. However, to overcome this lack of availability to computers 
>that people intentionally choose for their lives, I suggest that fellow 
>Lions print out any information in large print, or from their braille 
>printers and send it to those who do not want to use a computer. 
>Otherwise, the law still states in the format we prefer, and the few 
>people still refusing to get a computer can get what they need, when 
>asked one would assume, in large print or braille for that matter. a 
>company's policy does not trump the ADA.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nfb-lions
>[mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl echevarria 
>via Nfb-lions
>Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:09 AM
>To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion 
>Magazine on NFB Newsline
>
>
>
>Many people do not use computers my mother doesn't she is going to be 
>70 and I know others as well. I also know many blind people who also do 
>not have computers
>
>
>Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S??4
>
>-------- Original message --------
>From: adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>Date: 12/29/2015  10:16 PM  (GMT-05:00)
>To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion 
>Magazine on NFB Newsline
>
>I contacted them about that, the editor said she will connect to the 
>webmaster, but after that, no changes were made, he got back to me to 
>ask me further questions and their decision was that all articles were 
>submited separately and the mix up of pages in the pdf version couldn't 
>be identified by them.
>
>On 12/30/15, Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Do people really not have computers today? We cannot halt the future 
> > from happening. My parents have a computer and
> they are in their early 70's and I
> > have friends who are older with computers.
> >
> > Before people stomp off asking for
> accommodations  why not find out just how
> > many people we are talking about. if it is as small a number as I 
> > suspect, anyone of us can print out a brochure in large print, and 
> > do what Lions do best. Serve. Serve those handful of people by 
> > printing things out in large print and sending on the newsletter.
> Otherwise, I would think there might be
> > a braille options as well.
> >
> > It is hard to believe, no accept, that in the 21st century, nearly 
> > 20 years into the next century, that people are still not computer savvy.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Milton Ota via Nfb-lions
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:16 PM
> > To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion 
> > Magazine on NFB Newsline
> >
> > >From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all
> > digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to 
> > accommodate those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.
> >
> > Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will have 
> > to help those who don'[t have a computer and print the magazine out for them.
> >
> > I already see our district pretty much going digital with the 
> > district newsletter being sent out via e-mail and the club bulletin likewise.
> > And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to 
> > have anything to do with a computer.
> >
> > Original message:
> >> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make 
> >> this work for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't 
> >> have the computer skills we have, so making this accessible to all 
> >> Lions is really essential especially with this transition.  I can 
> >> put a good word out to 2 of our club members who are past 
> >> International Directors to see if they know what the best avenue to 
> >> pursue this might be.
> >
> >> Lion Steve
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> >> adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
> >> To: NFB and Lions
> >> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion 
> >> Magazine on NFB Newsline
> >
> >> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
> >> Blind penpals
> >> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to 
> >> blind people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to 
> >> them but don't see much difference. It will make it much easier if 
> >> they make it in one pdf file per magazine that would be read at a 
> >> click of a button or one audio file that we could access by 
> >> downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling and on the pdf 
> >> version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.
> >
> >> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word 
> >>> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just 
> >>> might increase readership.
> >
> >>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in 
> >>> your locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of 
> >>> our mag on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk 
> >>> who listen to this kind of specialized reading service who are 
> >>> also subscribers of NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio 
> >>> reading service here in Baltimore, and hopefully before too long 
> >>> something can be generated locally.  You might even determine if 
> >>> your local club has a program that blind folk could attend, and 
> >>> this info could be incorporated into say a weekly reading of The 
> >>> Lion Magazine, provided of course that a volunteer can be found 
> >>> locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.
> >
> >>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good 
> >>> new year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.  
> >>> Your fellow Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club
> >
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec 30 20:42:58 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:42:58 -0600
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
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Albert:

I suspect we don't disagree as much as you may 
think.  I agree that things move on, and people 
need to adapt. I was bothered by the tone of your 
message, that seemed to blame those who don't 
have computers, you talking about them "refusing" 
to use a computer. My point was that it may be more complex.

And ... whether or not the Lions would be covered 
by the ADA, I don't know.  It comes down to 
whether or not they are a covered 
entity.  Nevertheless, it seems to me that 
because they supposedly exist to help blind 
people, they have a hightened obligation to make 
themselves as accessible as possible to as many people as possible.

However, having spoken to hundreds of Lions Clubs 
in my career, in general I have found them to be 
pretty divorced from blind people and our real 
needs.  There are exceptions, of course, where 
individuals have gotten involved and changed 
their clubs, regions etc., but on the whole, most 
of them want to buy some glasses, give them away, 
get their pictures in the paper and feel good.

Sorry, I am getting cynical, and far afield 
here.  The lions do lots of good and I am all for them!

Dave

At 01:55 PM 12/30/2015, Albert Rizzi wrote:
>David,
>
>We can agree to disagree. Regardless my stand or 
>opinions on the computer issues, the Lions Club 
>is bound by law to provide people materials in the format of their choice.
>
>As a Lion, and past officer of my club here on 
>Long Island, I wrote to Past International 
>President Joe Preston and asked him to approve a 
>resolution about using the appropriate white 
>cane used, and recognized internationally, used 
>by people who are blind. Previously they used 
>the crookd  cane often used for people needing to lean on the same.
>
>So, opinions aside about the computer issue, I 
>am thinking that a simple request and 
>appropriate request would be in order. But, I 
>for one, am happy to know that we are going to 
>be killing less trees in this instance, and 
>would urge others to get on board and get a 
>computer or a smart phone in this instance.
>
>Like I mentioned before, there are many times 
>throughout our history where one invention made another one obsolete.
>
>The computer or smart phones are not going away, 
>they are only going to be more and more 
>prevalent and a requirement in the coming years.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nfb-lions 
>[mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews via Nfb-lions
>Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:34 PM
>To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion 
>About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline
>
>Albert:
>
>I agree with you that things change, and move 
>on.  I understand the Lions letting go the print 
>publication, many organizations, including 
>newspapers have already done so.  However, your 
>generalizations about people who don't have 
>computers seem pretty judgmental to me.  There 
>might be lots of reasons why someone doesn't 
>have a computer. Your saying ""refusal to get a 
>computer" isn't accurate I think. They might not 
>be able to afford one, they might not have 
>access to broadband, they might not have room, 
>or they may have made a conscious decision to not go down that road.
>
>I worked with my Father some, before he died, on 
>computer stuff, and there were things that just 
>involved too many steps for him to readily learn.
>
>Dave
>
>At 08:08 AM 12/30/2015, you wrote:
> >That is unfortunate. But progress cannot be halted because a few people
> >are not able to commit to the 21st century. But that is just my
> >opinion. However, to overcome this lack of availability to computers
> >that people intentionally choose for their lives, I suggest that fellow
> >Lions print out any information in large print, or from their braille
> >printers and send it to those who do not want to use a computer.
> >Otherwise, the law still states in the format we prefer, and the few
> >people still refusing to get a computer can get what they need, when
> >asked one would assume, in large print or braille for that matter. a
> >company's policy does not trump the ADA.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Nfb-lions
> >[mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
> >via Nfb-lions
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:09 AM
> >To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> >Cc: cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
> >Magazine on NFB Newsline
> >
> >
> >
> >Many people do not use computers my mother doesn't she is going to be
> >70 and I know others as well. I also know many blind people who also do
> >not have computers
> >
> >
> >Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S??4
> >
> >-------- Original message --------
> >From: adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> >Date: 12/29/2015  10:16 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> >To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> >Cc: adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
> >Magazine on NFB Newsline
> >
> >I contacted them about that, the editor said she will connect to the
> >webmaster, but after that, no changes were made, he got back to me to
> >ask me further questions and their decision was that all articles were
> >submited separately and the mix up of pages in the pdf version couldn't
> >be identified by them.
> >
> >On 12/30/15, Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Do people really not have computers today? We cannot halt the future
> > > from happening. My parents have a computer and
> > they are in their early 70's and I
> > > have friends who are older with computers.
> > >
> > > Before people stomp off asking for
> > accommodations  why not find out just how
> > > many people we are talking about. if it is as small a number as I
> > > suspect, anyone of us can print out a brochure in large print, and
> > > do what Lions do best. Serve. Serve those handful of people by
> > > printing things out in large print and sending on the newsletter.
> > Otherwise, I would think there might be
> > > a braille options as well.
> > >
> > > It is hard to believe, no accept, that in the 21st century, nearly
> > > 20 years into the next century, that people are still not computer savvy.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Milton Ota via Nfb-lions
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:16 PM
> > > To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> > > Cc: Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
> > > Magazine on NFB Newsline
> > >
> > > >From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all
> > > digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to
> > > accommodate those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.
> > >
> > > Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will have
> > > to help those who don'[t have a computer 
> and print the magazine out for them.
> > >
> > > I already see our district pretty much going digital with the
> > > district newsletter being sent out via 
> e-mail and the club bulletin likewise.
> > > And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to
> > > have anything to do with a computer.
> > >
> > > Original message:
> > >> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make
> > >> this work for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and don't
> > >> have the computer skills we have, so making this accessible to all
> > >> Lions is really essential especially with this transition.  I can
> > >> put a good word out to 2 of our club members who are past
> > >> International Directors to see if they know what the best avenue to
> > >> pursue this might be.
> > >
> > >> Lion Steve
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > >> adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
> > >> To: NFB and Lions
> > >> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
> > >> Magazine on NFB Newsline
> > >
> > >> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
> > >> Blind penpals
> > >> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible to
> > >> blind people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue to
> > >> them but don't see much difference. It will make it much easier if
> > >> they make it in one pdf file per magazine that would be read at a
> > >> click of a button or one audio file that we could access by
> > >> downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling and on the pdf
> > >> version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.
> > >
> > >> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the word
> > >>> about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done right, just
> > >>> might increase readership.
> > >
> > >>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service in
> > >>> your locality and see if they'd run an add on the availability of
> > >>> our mag on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many more blind folk
> > >>> who listen to this kind of specialized reading service who are
> > >>> also subscribers of NFB Newsline.  I've approached our radio
> > >>> reading service here in Baltimore, and hopefully before too long
> > >>> something can be generated locally.  You might even determine if
> > >>> your local club has a program that blind folk could attend, and
> > >>> this info could be incorporated into say a weekly reading of The
> > >>> Lion Magazine, provided of course that a volunteer can be found
> > >>> locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.
> > >
> > >>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good
> > >>> new year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.
> > >>> Your fellow Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A club

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org




From Albert at Myblindspot.org  Wed Dec 30 20:51:35 2015
From: Albert at Myblindspot.org (Albert Rizzi)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 20:51:35 +0000
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
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Dave, we agree. Just had a bit of a discussion with a local Lions Club wanting me to attend a dance for blind people, but the only way to RSVP is to print out a document, fill it out long hand, label an envelope long hand, or type it out, slap on a stamp and send it off snail mail. What a waste of trees, and hardly 21st century or independently empowering in my opinion.

Albert



-----Original Message-----
From: David Andrews [mailto:dandrews at visi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:43 PM
To: Albert Rizzi <Albert at Myblindspot.org>; NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Subject: RE: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline

Albert:

I suspect we don't disagree as much as you may think.  I agree that things move on, and people need to adapt. I was bothered by the tone of your message, that seemed to blame those who don't have computers, you talking about them "refusing" 
to use a computer. My point was that it may be more complex.

And ... whether or not the Lions would be covered by the ADA, I don't know.  It comes down to whether or not they are a covered entity.  Nevertheless, it seems to me that because they supposedly exist to help blind people, they have a hightened obligation to make themselves as accessible as possible to as many people as possible.

However, having spoken to hundreds of Lions Clubs in my career, in general I have found them to be pretty divorced from blind people and our real needs.  There are exceptions, of course, where individuals have gotten involved and changed their clubs, regions etc., but on the whole, most of them want to buy some glasses, give them away, get their pictures in the paper and feel good.

Sorry, I am getting cynical, and far afield here.  The lions do lots of good and I am all for them!

Dave

At 01:55 PM 12/30/2015, Albert Rizzi wrote:
>David,
>
>We can agree to disagree. Regardless my stand or opinions on the 
>computer issues, the Lions Club is bound by law to provide people 
>materials in the format of their choice.
>
>As a Lion, and past officer of my club here on Long Island, I wrote to 
>Past International President Joe Preston and asked him to approve a 
>resolution about using the appropriate white cane used, and recognized 
>internationally, used by people who are blind. Previously they used the 
>crookd  cane often used for people needing to lean on the same.
>
>So, opinions aside about the computer issue, I am thinking that a 
>simple request and appropriate request would be in order. But, I for 
>one, am happy to know that we are going to be killing less trees in 
>this instance, and would urge others to get on board and get a computer 
>or a smart phone in this instance.
>
>Like I mentioned before, there are many times throughout our history 
>where one invention made another one obsolete.
>
>The computer or smart phones are not going away, they are only going to 
>be more and more prevalent and a requirement in the coming years.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nfb-lions
>[mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews via 
>Nfb-lions
>Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:34 PM
>To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion 
>Magazine on NFB Newsline
>
>Albert:
>
>I agree with you that things change, and move on.  I understand the 
>Lions letting go the print publication, many organizations, including 
>newspapers have already done so.  However, your generalizations about 
>people who don't have computers seem pretty judgmental to me.  There 
>might be lots of reasons why someone doesn't have a computer. Your 
>saying ""refusal to get a computer" isn't accurate I think. They might 
>not be able to afford one, they might not have access to broadband, 
>they might not have room, or they may have made a conscious decision to 
>not go down that road.
>
>I worked with my Father some, before he died, on computer stuff, and 
>there were things that just involved too many steps for him to readily 
>learn.
>
>Dave
>
>At 08:08 AM 12/30/2015, you wrote:
> >That is unfortunate. But progress cannot be halted because a few 
> >people are not able to commit to the 21st century. But that is just 
> >my opinion. However, to overcome this lack of availability to 
> >computers that people intentionally choose for their lives, I suggest 
> >that fellow Lions print out any information in large print, or from 
> >their braille printers and send it to those who do not want to use a computer.
> >Otherwise, the law still states in the format we prefer, and the few 
> >people still refusing to get a computer can get what they need, when 
> >asked one would assume, in large print or braille for that matter. a 
> >company's policy does not trump the ADA.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Nfb-lions
> >[mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl echevarria 
> >via Nfb-lions
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:09 AM
> >To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> >Cc: cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion 
> >Magazine on NFB Newsline
> >
> >
> >
> >Many people do not use computers my mother doesn't she is going to be
> >70 and I know others as well. I also know many blind people who also 
> >do not have computers
> >
> >
> >Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S??4
> >
> >-------- Original message --------
> >From: adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> >Date: 12/29/2015  10:16 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> >To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> >Cc: adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion 
> >Magazine on NFB Newsline
> >
> >I contacted them about that, the editor said she will connect to the 
> >webmaster, but after that, no changes were made, he got back to me to 
> >ask me further questions and their decision was that all articles 
> >were submited separately and the mix up of pages in the pdf version 
> >couldn't be identified by them.
> >
> >On 12/30/15, Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Do people really not have computers today? We cannot halt the 
> > > future from happening. My parents have a computer and
> > they are in their early 70's and I
> > > have friends who are older with computers.
> > >
> > > Before people stomp off asking for
> > accommodations  why not find out just how
> > > many people we are talking about. if it is as small a number as I 
> > > suspect, anyone of us can print out a brochure in large print, and 
> > > do what Lions do best. Serve. Serve those handful of people by 
> > > printing things out in large print and sending on the newsletter.
> > Otherwise, I would think there might be
> > > a braille options as well.
> > >
> > > It is hard to believe, no accept, that in the 21st century, nearly
> > > 20 years into the next century, that people are still not computer savvy.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > Milton Ota via Nfb-lions
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:16 PM
> > > To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> > > Cc: Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion 
> > > Magazine on NFB Newsline
> > >
> > > >From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all
> > > digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to 
> > > accommodate those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.
> > >
> > > Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will 
> > > have to help those who don'[t have a computer
> and print the magazine out for them.
> > >
> > > I already see our district pretty much going digital with the 
> > > district newsletter being sent out via
> e-mail and the club bulletin likewise.
> > > And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to 
> > > have anything to do with a computer.
> > >
> > > Original message:
> > >> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make 
> > >> this work for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and 
> > >> don't have the computer skills we have, so making this accessible 
> > >> to all Lions is really essential especially with this transition.  
> > >> I can put a good word out to 2 of our club members who are past 
> > >> International Directors to see if they know what the best avenue 
> > >> to pursue this might be.
> > >
> > >> Lion Steve
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> > >> Of adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
> > >> To: NFB and Lions
> > >> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing 
> > >> Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline
> > >
> > >> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
> > >> Blind penpals
> > >> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible 
> > >> to blind people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue 
> > >> to them but don't see much difference. It will make it much 
> > >> easier if they make it in one pdf file per magazine that would be 
> > >> read at a click of a button or one audio file that we could 
> > >> access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling and on 
> > >> the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.
> > >
> > >> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the 
> > >>> word about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done 
> > >>> right, just might increase readership.
> > >
> > >>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service 
> > >>> in your locality and see if they'd run an add on the 
> > >>> availability of our mag on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many 
> > >>> more blind folk who listen to this kind of specialized reading 
> > >>> service who are also subscribers of NFB Newsline.  I've 
> > >>> approached our radio reading service here in Baltimore, and 
> > >>> hopefully before too long something can be generated locally.  
> > >>> You might even determine if your local club has a program that 
> > >>> blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated 
> > >>> into say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of 
> > >>> course that a volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.
> > >
> > >>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good 
> > >>> new year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.
> > >>> Your fellow Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A 
> > >>> club

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org




From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 30 21:03:05 2015
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 16:03:05 -0500
Subject: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine
 on NFB Newsline
Message-ID: <BLU402-EAS172C9E510C76C0DD3EA289EA1FD0@phx.gbl>



FYI I belong to the local district where Albert belongs and I used to be a member of that chapter that does that dance every year. I don't go anymore because that chapter treats blond people like blind people and not like a person that is why I changed chapters to my local one and our current district governor is a member of our chapter. YOU don't have to mail anything in just email or call the person or chapter. We had changed the response to the dance over 5 years ago when i was with said chapter. I am not that involved with lions because of their attitude towards the blind even though they always seem to pat me on head and say good blind person.
Call Gary Feurer at the CI chapter or let district governor Manny Vidal of this issue
Cheryl EchevarriaPresident National Federation of the Blind Travel and Tourism Division


Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4

-------- Original message --------
From: Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Date: 12/30/2015  3:52 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>, NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Albert Rizzi <Albert at Myblindspot.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline

Dave, we agree. Just had a bit of a discussion with a local Lions Club wanting me to attend a dance for blind people, but the only way to RSVP is to print out a document, fill it out long hand, label an envelope long hand, or type it out, slap on a stamp and send it off snail mail. What a waste of trees, and hardly 21st century or independently empowering in my opinion.

Albert



-----Original Message-----
From: David Andrews [mailto:dandrews at visi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:43 PM
To: Albert Rizzi <Albert at Myblindspot.org>; NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
Subject: RE: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline

Albert:

I suspect we don't disagree as much as you may think.  I agree that things move on, and people need to adapt. I was bothered by the tone of your message, that seemed to blame those who don't have computers, you talking about them "refusing"
to use a computer. My point was that it may be more complex.

And ... whether or not the Lions would be covered by the ADA, I don't know.  It comes down to whether or not they are a covered entity.  Nevertheless, it seems to me that because they supposedly exist to help blind people, they have a hightened obligation to make themselves as accessible as possible to as many people as possible.

However, having spoken to hundreds of Lions Clubs in my career, in general I have found them to be pretty divorced from blind people and our real needs.  There are exceptions, of course, where individuals have gotten involved and changed their clubs, regions etc., but on the whole, most of them want to buy some glasses, give them away, get their pictures in the paper and feel good.

Sorry, I am getting cynical, and far afield here.  The lions do lots of good and I am all for them!

Dave

At 01:55 PM 12/30/2015, Albert Rizzi wrote:
>David,
>
>We can agree to disagree. Regardless my stand or opinions on the
>computer issues, the Lions Club is bound by law to provide people
>materials in the format of their choice.
>
>As a Lion, and past officer of my club here on Long Island, I wrote to
>Past International President Joe Preston and asked him to approve a
>resolution about using the appropriate white cane used, and recognized
>internationally, used by people who are blind. Previously they used the
>crookd  cane often used for people needing to lean on the same.
>
>So, opinions aside about the computer issue, I am thinking that a
>simple request and appropriate request would be in order. But, I for
>one, am happy to know that we are going to be killing less trees in
>this instance, and would urge others to get on board and get a computer
>or a smart phone in this instance.
>
>Like I mentioned before, there are many times throughout our history
>where one invention made another one obsolete.
>
>The computer or smart phones are not going away, they are only going to
>be more and more prevalent and a requirement in the coming years.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nfb-lions
>[mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews via
>Nfb-lions
>Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:34 PM
>To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
>Magazine on NFB Newsline
>
>Albert:
>
>I agree with you that things change, and move on.  I understand the
>Lions letting go the print publication, many organizations, including
>newspapers have already done so.  However, your generalizations about
>people who don't have computers seem pretty judgmental to me.  There
>might be lots of reasons why someone doesn't have a computer. Your
>saying ""refusal to get a computer" isn't accurate I think. They might
>not be able to afford one, they might not have access to broadband,
>they might not have room, or they may have made a conscious decision to
>not go down that road.
>
>I worked with my Father some, before he died, on computer stuff, and
>there were things that just involved too many steps for him to readily
>learn.
>
>Dave
>
>At 08:08 AM 12/30/2015, you wrote:
> >That is unfortunate. But progress cannot be halted because a few
> >people are not able to commit to the 21st century. But that is just
> >my opinion. However, to overcome this lack of availability to
> >computers that people intentionally choose for their lives, I suggest
> >that fellow Lions print out any information in large print, or from
> >their braille printers and send it to those who do not want to use a computer.
> >Otherwise, the law still states in the format we prefer, and the few
> >people still refusing to get a computer can get what they need, when
> >asked one would assume, in large print or braille for that matter. a
> >company's policy does not trump the ADA.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Nfb-lions
> >[mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
> >via Nfb-lions
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:09 AM
> >To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> >Cc: cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
> >Magazine on NFB Newsline
> >
> >
> >
> >Many people do not use computers my mother doesn't she is going to be
> >70 and I know others as well. I also know many blind people who also
> >do not have computers
> >
> >
> >Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S??4
> >
> >-------- Original message --------
> >From: adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> >Date: 12/29/2015  10:16 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> >To: NFB and Lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org>
> >Cc: adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
> >Magazine on NFB Newsline
> >
> >I contacted them about that, the editor said she will connect to the
> >webmaster, but after that, no changes were made, he got back to me to
> >ask me further questions and their decision was that all articles
> >were submited separately and the mix up of pages in the pdf version
> >couldn't be identified by them.
> >
> >On 12/30/15, Albert Rizzi via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Do people really not have computers today? We cannot halt the
> > > future from happening. My parents have a computer and
> > they are in their early 70's and I
> > > have friends who are older with computers.
> > >
> > > Before people stomp off asking for
> > accommodations  why not find out just how
> > > many people we are talking about. if it is as small a number as I
> > > suspect, anyone of us can print out a brochure in large print, and
> > > do what Lions do best. Serve. Serve those handful of people by
> > > printing things out in large print and sending on the newsletter.
> > Otherwise, I would think there might be
> > > a braille options as well.
> > >
> > > It is hard to believe, no accept, that in the 21st century, nearly
> > > 20 years into the next century, that people are still not computer savvy.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Milton Ota via Nfb-lions
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:16 PM
> > > To: nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> > > Cc: Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing Lion
> > > Magazine on NFB Newsline
> > >
> > > >From my reliable source, I understand that the decision to go all
> > > digital by the year 2018 is firm and there is no plans to
> > > accommodate those who do not use a computer or have access to e-mail.
> > >
> > > Someone in the club probably those who are computer saavy will
> > > have to help those who don'[t have a computer
> and print the magazine out for them.
> > >
> > > I already see our district pretty much going digital with the
> > > district newsletter being sent out via
> e-mail and the club bulletin likewise.
> > > And, there are a few members in the club I'm in that don't want to
> > > have anything to do with a computer.
> > >
> > > Original message:
> > >> Has anyone contacted Lions International to see if they can make
> > >> this work for everyone?  Remember, many Lions are older, and
> > >> don't have the computer skills we have, so making this accessible
> > >> to all Lions is really essential especially with this transition.
> > >> I can put a good word out to 2 of our club members who are past
> > >> International Directors to see if they know what the best avenue
> > >> to pursue this might be.
> > >
> > >> Lion Steve
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Nfb-lions [mailto:nfb-lions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > >> Of adrijana prokopenko via Nfb-lions
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:43 AM
> > >> To: NFB and Lions
> > >> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-lions] Possible Suggestion About Increasing
> > >> Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline
> > >
> > >> I can easily spread it on my facebook called:
> > >> Blind penpals
> > >> but I think they will need to work on making it more accessible
> > >> to blind people who use speech programs. I addressed this issue
> > >> to them but don't see much difference. It will make it much
> > >> easier if they make it in one pdf file per magazine that would be
> > >> read at a click of a button or one audio file that we could
> > >> access by downloading, otherwise, it is too much scrolling and on
> > >> the pdf version, most of the pages are mixed up and repeated.
> > >
> > >> On 12/29/15, Paul Smith via Nfb-lions <nfb-lions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>> Hello fellow Lions.  Here's a suggestion about spreading the
> > >>> word about The Lion Magazine on NFB Newsline that, if done
> > >>> right, just might increase readership.
> > >
> > >>> Why not approach your radio reading and/or information service
> > >>> in your locality and see if they'd run an add on the
> > >>> availability of our mag on NFB Newsline? I'm sure there are many
> > >>> more blind folk who listen to this kind of specialized reading
> > >>> service who are also subscribers of NFB Newsline.  I've
> > >>> approached our radio reading service here in Baltimore, and
> > >>> hopefully before too long something can be generated locally.
> > >>> You might even determine if your local club has a program that
> > >>> blind folk could attend, and this info could be incorporated
> > >>> into say a weekly reading of The Lion Magazine, provided of
> > >>> course that a volunteer can be found locally to read the mag.  Anyway just a suggestion.
> > >
> > >>> Before I close my post, I'd like to wish my fellow Lions a good
> > >>> new year 2016 both personally and in your service in Lionism.
> > >>> Your fellow Lion, Lion Paul, a proud member of a District 22A
> > >>> club

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org


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