[Nfb-krafters-korner] And braille pattern users RE: continental knitting
slery
slerythema at insightbb.com
Tue May 27 11:32:34 CDT 2008
Okay, I think I get it now. At first I thought maybe they were saying right
side as in (public view side) but the directions also gave for starting from
the left. Now I see which direction on the side indicated by the diagram
they are talking about. It refers to holding "that" side in my hand and
which way to pick the stitches up onto the needle.
Thanks. I figured there was something that I just wasn't quite getting.
What I have been doing with the patterns is to place them in word so that I
can make them large print and any sections where I am having to back and
forth with the directions, I'll copy that section so I don't get lost when
reading visually. I also have an embosser so when I have to switch to
braille only, I can do that to. For now, I use which ever easier for the
moment.
Also, for the braille readers out there. How do you keep track of your
place in a pattern when it is brailled?
Cindy
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> fbnet.org] On Behalf Of eileen scrivani
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:47 AM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] continental knitting
>
>
> Cindy:
>
> You've picked an ambitious project, in my opinion for a
> beginner, but if you
> feel you're up to the task,go for it
> ! I would not have the patience for something like this one.
> I'm sure it
> will be very striking once you've finished it.
>
> This is the type of pattern I'd have to see or work myself to
> give input on,
> but the general rule of thump in picking up stitches, is to
> always pick up
> with the right side (public side of work) facing you since picking up
> stitches will create seams that you don't wantshowing. And I
> have found
> picking up easiest when picking up from right to left on the
> work at hand.
> This sounds like what is called "modular" or "domino" knitting and I
> don'tknow very much about the technique, but seem to recall
> there being some
> slipping of stitches. I would go with what the directions
> are instructing
> you to do.
>
>
> And, no I don't seeatall,so diagrams are useless.
>
> Eileen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] continental knitting
>
>
> This is actually a free pattern. Since I am so new, I prefer
> to stick to the free patterns so that I can actually look at
> the whole pattern and see if I understand it and know how to
> do it. Right now, I am trying to stick to learning only one
> or two new stitches per pattern.
>
> I am including a graphic (in case you can actually see the
> diagram) and then describing it since one of my questions
> refers to if they simply made a mistake in this pattern.
>
> Here is the graphic:
>
> Okay, it won't copy it into the email so I'll simply describe it.
>
> This is a triangle shawl made from squares that are set up on
> one point so that they form a diamond. The first square (1)
> is the bottom point of the triangle that hangs down the back.
> Each square is then joined onto the others starting with the
> second row. Square 2 is attached on its bottom left side to
> the top right side of 1. Square three is also in the second
> row. It is attached on its bottom right side to the top left
> side of square 1.
>
> Now in the third row. Square 4 is attached on its bottom
> left to square 2 on its top right. Square five is where have
> our first meeting of the rows. Square 5 is attached on its
> bottom right to the top left of square 2. Square 5 is also
> attached on its bottom left to the top right of square 3.
>
> Remember all squares are sitting on their point so that they
> look like diamond shapes .
>
> Now for my question. Here is a section of the pattern:
>
> Section 2 - Cast on 35 sts, place marker, pick up and knit 35
> sts along left side of section 1 (see diagram). Knit one row.
> Work as for section 1, beg with row 2.
>
> Is it just a mistake that they say the left side of section 1
> or am I misinterpreting the diagram because it looks to me
> like it would actually be the right top side?
>
> Also, thanks for your tip on whether or not to slip the first
> stitch when you need to pick up stitches. This is what the
> pattern says:
>
> Note: On sections 1-6 (10), always slip the first st as to
> purl. To cast on after picking up sts, turn work, insert
> right needle between first two sts on left needle, pull up a
> loop and place on left-hand needle. Be sure to pull loop up
> high for a loose cast-on edge. Now insert right hand needle
> between st just made and second st on left needle, pull up a
> loop and place on left needle. Repeat until 35 sts have been cast on.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Cindy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
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> > g [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at n
> > fbnet.org] On Behalf Of eileen scrivani
> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 11:44 PM
> > To: List for blind crafters and artists
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] continental knitting
> >
> >
> > Cindy:
> >
> > In patterns where your edges are exposed like on a scarf,
> > blanket, and often
> > shawls, slipping the first stitch of each row produces a
> > nicer looking edge.
> > If on something you will need to either seam or perhaps pick
> > up stitches, DO
> > NOT slip the first stitch since on those items it makes
> > seaming not only
> > more difficult, but just does not look nice. And, in the
> > case of picking up
> > stitches, makes it very, very sloppy looking. So far as I
> > know, it does not
> > make any difference how you hold your yarn.
> >
> > Most patterns are copied right protected, and it would be in
> > violation of
> > copy right law to post to a list-serve like this one, so if
> > you have a
> > question on something specific, either send it to me off-list
> > or just post a
> > few lines where you have the question.
> >
> > Eileen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> > To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:38 PM
> > Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] continental knitting
> >
> >
> > Okay, here is one for you. I have a pattern that is in all
> > garter stitch but they recommend slipping the first stitch of
> > the row purl wise. Does it make a difference in this
> > situation? ie as long as I'm knitting continental and I slip
> > purl wise continental.
> >
> > I have another question but I'll need to actually copy the
> > pattern here to get an answer.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
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> > > g [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at n
> > > fbnet.org] On Behalf Of eileen scrivani
> > > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:22 PM
> > > To: List for blind crafters and artists
> > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Friday's questions/
> > >
> > >
> > > Cindy:
> > >
> > > If you have knitting questions, just ask. However, I've seen
> > > patterns that
> > > are written by Americans and others that have been written
> > > by companies in
> > > the U.K. Some of the terminology can be different, but easy
> > > enough to
> > > decipher. Where the pattern is written, though,is unrelated
> > > to the style in
> > > which you hold your yarn, i.e. either continental or
> English style.
> > >
> > > I have ordered Braille knitting books/patterns from the Royal
> > > National
> > > Institute for the Blind in England and some of the problems I have
> > > encountered are converting measurements/gauges from
> > > centimeteres to inches,
> > > needle size conversions (you can find charts on line that
> > > will tell you) and
> > > the English have a way of refering back to points in patterns
> > > that are
> > > indicated by varying numbers of asterisks in strings in the
> > > text. In some I
> > > have located on the internet, I've deleted out the asterisks,
> > > just thinking
> > > they were a part of formatting to make it pretty, not
> > realizing their
> > > importance to the pattern directions.
> > >
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> > > To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> > > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 6:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Friday's questions/
> > >
> > >
> > > Eileen,
> > >
> > > I may contact you for pointers on knitting. I have been
> > > teaching myself knitting (as a mostly blind person) and the
> > > continental is the easiest for me to be able to tell exactly
> > > what I am doing. Sometimes, I get a little confused, since
> > > I'm new, when figuring something out on a pattern that they
> > > are explaining and I know they are using English style
> > > instead of continental.
> > >
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
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> > > > g [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at n
> > > > fbnet.org] On Behalf Of eileen scrivani
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:13 AM
> > > > To: List for blind crafters and artists
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Friday's questions/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Laurie:
> > > >
> > > > This is so great!! I'm tickled to death! I have an
> > > > assortment of colors of
> > > > size 6 seed beads that are round, a few size 6 bugle beads,
> > > > and a few drop
> > > > seed beads that I purchased with the intention of using in my
> > > > knitting.
> > > > This was what got me into bead stringing. The day I went in
> > > > to my local
> > > > bead store to get the seed beads and beading needle, is when
> > > > I was bit by
> > > > the bug and signed up for a basic stringing class. Ever
> > > > since I've been
> > > > wanting to get into a weaving course, but in addition to
> > > > never working with
> > > > my schedule, they are exceptionally expensive!
> > > >
> > > > I've read some basic directions of right angle weave on a web
> > > > site, but am
> > > > just not getting it.
> > > >
> > > > Last year, I offered to teach any blind/visually impaired
> > > > knitter in NJ who
> > > > could get to where I live, free knitting lessons, provided
> > > > they provided
> > > > their own yarn and needles. Only 1 person took me up on the
> > > > offer, but it
> > > > didn't go well since she knits by throwing the yarn with her
> > > > right hand (the
> > > > technique used when she could see) and I use my left hand in
> > > > more of a
> > > > continental style. While I was able to give her a few
> > > > helpful pointers for
> > > > knitting "blind", I haven't been able to give her much advice
> > > > on how to
> > > > insure she's actually knitted a stitch before dropping it off
> > > > the needle or
> > > > else just slipping stitches from left to right with not
> > > > working them. I
> > > > became frustrated since I could not figure out the best way
> > > > to explain &
> > > > instruct her. To this day, she's still having trouble. I
> > > > guess its a good
> > > > sign that she hasn't given it up. Just wish I could figure
> > > > out what she's
> > > > doing incorrectly or a method that would make it
> easier for her.
> > > >
> > > > keep me posted when you're ready to give beading a try.
> > > > thanks again.
> > > >
> > > > Eileen
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Laurie Porter" <freespirit1 at tds.net>
> > > > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> > > > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:34 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Friday's questions/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > sure I could do some teaching. I can walk you through some of
> > > > the basics of seed beading. I can put something together and
> > > > make it perhaps a combination of live chat, and or email
> > > > instructions. A few years ago, I took an email beading
> > > > course. There was no live chat either via phone or computer,
> > > > but for somebody just starting out, some live chat would be
> > > > very helpful. I can put some email items together, a list of
> > > > what you'll need, and some basic stitch instructions that you
> > > > can refer to as we're talking and that would help to clarify
> > > > any place where you get stuck. The lessons could either be
> > > > individual or in a group. It could be one of the things we
> > > > can do with one of our phone chat nights. Yes, I think I
> > > > could do this. Thanks for asking. This is a good idea. You've
> > > > gotten me inspired. Who knows, maybe this kind of thing can
> > > > morph into something that others can do if we wanted to teach
> > > > other things like crocheting, or knitting, etc. It is good
> > > > to be able to put your fingers on a finished pieece, but I
> > > > was mostly self-taught and I found I could learn something
> > > > without having to see a finished piece. So, I think this
> > > > could be a good idea if it is organized and mapped out. I've
> > > > been beading for over 12 years now, and I have taught a
> > > > basics beading class at a program called "Women's Art Space",
> > > > and three of the six students I taught are still beading. So,
> > > > I'll put my thinking caps on and get this thing somewhat
> > > > organized. I will also have a chance to record confrence
> > > > calls that can be played back on any computer as an mp3 file.
> > > > Yes, there is so much we could do.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Peace,
> > > >
> > > > Laurie----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "eileen scrivani" <etflemin at ix.netcom.com>
> > > > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> > > > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:22 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Friday's questions/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Laurie:
> > > > >
> > > > > i'm wondering if there is any way you could teach some of the
> > > > > introductory methods/techniques of either doing beading on
> > > > a loom or
> > > > > bead weaving. This is something I've been so wanting to
> > > > learn, but its
> > > > > very difficult to locate
> > > > > a person/shop that teaches it. Please give it some serious
> > > > consideration
> > > > > and let me know if you think we could work some way of
> > > > working this out
> > > > > long-distance! I'd be thrilled to learn any basic stuff I
> > > > could play with
> > > > > at home. I have seed beads and a bead needle here now, and
> > > > am guessing I
> > > > > could use some sewing thread for starting, but you can let
> > > > me know what
> > > > > you
> > > > > think.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm planning on calling in to the chat later on so hope to
> > > > get to talk
> > > > > with you then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Laurie Porter" <freespirit1 at tds.net>
> > > > > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> > > > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:10 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Friday's questions/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, I am the one who posed this question. I'll
> > > never forget
> > > > > the day I learned about doing beadwork. I was living in
> > > > 'chicago and
> > > > > getting ready to move to Madison wI which is a somewhat
> > > progressive
> > > > > town with an insatiable artistic appatite. I bought
> > some yarn and
> > > > > learned to do a little
> > > > > cross stitch. I loved walking down state street in my new
> > > > town among those
> > > > > who played music, painted sidewalk murals,and the endless
> > > display of
> > > > > street
> > > > > vendors selling everything from handmade blankets to
> > > > jewlery. I dusted off
> > > > > my old guitar, and made friends among the strete musicians,
> > > > played at open
> > > > > mic's in the many coffee houses. Everywhere you went there
> > > > was an art
> > > > > opening of some kind. One spring day I was on my way home
> > > > from a job
> > > > > interview, and I stopped to talk with some of my friends
> > > > just passing
> > > > > through when a lady came up to me and asked to do a tarrot
> > > > card reading
> > > > > for
> > > > > me.
> > > > > She mentioned that the cards showed that someday I would be
> > > > making and
> > > > > selling jewlery. I didn't think very much about this. I saw
> > > > that it seemed
> > > > > that everybody around me made some kind of jewlery of some
> > > > sort, and I
> > > > > have
> > > > > always had a flare for taking the road less traveled of non
> > > > conformism. In
> > > > > other words, just because I'm in Rome, doesn't mean I have
> > > > to do what the
> > > > > Romans do. I thought she was nuts, because I had no desire
> > > > to be another
> > > > > jewlery maker.
> > > > >
> > > > > About a year later, I met Debbie. There are times in one's
> > > > life where
> > > > > inspiration hits you like a ton of bricks with something so
> > > > small and
> > > > > so insignificant that it could just as easily be passed by
> > > > if one is
> > > > > not paying attention. She had amulet purse around her
> > > neck and she
> > > > > had beaded ornaments and hair extensions. I saw her purse
> > > > and asked if
> > > > > I could touch it. She took it off her neck and handed it to
> > > > me. I had
> > > > > never seen anything
> > > > > like it in my life. This was a small purse made entirely of
> > > > thread and
> > > > > seed
> > > > > beads
> > > > >
> > > > > there are some people who are so talented that they create
> > > > beautiful
> > > > > works of art with little or no effort. I am not one of
> > > > those people.
> > > > > I admire people who can do this. She always wanted to
> > > learn musicof
> > > > > some kind, and she had to learn how to listen to music
> > > > differently and
> > > > > develop an ear. Concepts were frustratingly difficult
> > > > > for her to understand. for me, singing and playing
> > > > instruments came as
> > > > > natural to me as her art work came to her. I asked her to
> > > > teach me to make
> > > > > beaded purses, and we both set onto the task of adapting
> > > > the patterns and
> > > > > colors into a word map and enlarging the graphs so I could
> > > > see them with a
> > > > > minimm of eye strain. I started out on a beading loom,
> > > > which, if you're
> > > > > not
> > > > > familliar with the technique it is a simple flat loom with
> > > > bolts on both
> > > > > ends and coiled springs that hold the worp threads in
> > > > place. You then
> > > > > attach
> > > > > weft or working thread tieing to the left most worp thread.
> > > > You then put
> > > > > on
> > > > > a needle and pick up the beads for the first row and lay
> > > > the thread across
> > > > > underneath the worp and then push the beads up with your
> > > > index finger so
> > > > > that they pop up between the worp threads. You then take
> > > > your needle and
> > > > > bring it through the !
> > > > > beads again in the same direction as before. You continue
> > > > each row going
> > > > > from left to right and right to left. The challenge for me
> > > > was what to do
> > > > > with all the worp threads at thebottom of the piece.
> > > This part was
> > > > > challenging for everyone to do and it is why beading
> > > > looming isn't the
> > > > > preferred technique. As a blind person, I had to figure
> > > > out the thread
> > > > > path
> > > > > for weaving each worp thread into the piece. Once the beads
> > > > are in place,
> > > > > it's not possible to feel it between beads. The path
> > > > should be as strong
> > > > > as
> > > > > it could be which means passing through beads several
> > > > times. After a few
> > > > > loomed pieces, I began learning off- loom beadwork
> > > > stitches. When I first
> > > > > began learning be adwork, I had 20/200 vision and at the
> > > > time it was
> > > > > enough to match colors that went well together. Now that I
> > > > am totally
> > > > > blind,
> > > > > I was bored with just row after row of the same beads so,
> > > I started
> > > > > incorporating different sizes and shapes of beads for
> > > > contrast. This is
> > > > > not
> > > > > as easy to do when you are weaving !
> > > > > seed beads, because interlocking rows of beads is
> > > essential for the
> > > > > structural integrity of the piece.
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