From aprilbrownshade at gmail.com  Thu Jan  2 11:47:10 2014
From: aprilbrownshade at gmail.com (April Brown)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 06:47:10 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
Message-ID: <E742C39C-DAE4-40D0-AA75-05006F7F1D32@gmail.com>

Happy New Year!

I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time or the energy to sit and just listen.

My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?

I hope everyone has a great New Year.


April Brown

Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.

aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com

Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts




From danielleburton94 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  3 01:33:01 2014
From: danielleburton94 at gmail.com (Danielle Burton)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 20:33:01 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
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Happpy New Year's! April, I suggest using a braille display with your computer. That may be more helpful to you than trying to listen to the screen reader. I can understand speech the majority of the time and I still don't like using a screen reader because of the robotic sounds. I rarely use my computer but I plan to as soon as my Brailliant display gets back from being repaired. I use my BrailleNote apex connected to my phone with the speech muted to do most of the things I need to do such as email writing assignments with Pages for the iPhone, etc. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Happy New Year!
> 
> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time or the energy to sit and just listen.
> 
> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
> 
> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
> 
> 
> April Brown
> 
> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
> 
> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
> 
> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
> 
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From scottdavert at gmail.com  Fri Jan  3 23:53:25 2014
From: scottdavert at gmail.com (Scott Davert)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:53:25 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
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Hi April and all.
Sounds like you have quite a lot of goals set out in 2014, that's
awesome! The mac is an entirely new way of accessing the computer, and
it will take some getting used to for sure. I've been using mine for
about a year now and still get frustrated with the Mac side of things
from time to time, and often use the Windows part of my computer for
things like Kurzweil and such. If you have specific questions, you can
feel free to ask.
As for me, my 2014 is starting off rather slowly, which is fine. I'ms
tarting a new tech article this weekend and after completing that,
will get ready to go see my grandma in Fl, and then need to prepare
for my first ever presentation at CSUN in March. I've wanted to do
this for years, so it'll be something I'll be happy to do. The
presentation is on using technology to communicate with the public as
a deaf-blind person and when is or isn't it appropriate to use
technology. So, like you, I'm a busy boy. Oh, and then there is the
full time job. LOL.

Wishing you all the best!
Scott

On 1/2/14, Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Happpy New Year's! April, I suggest using a braille display with your
> computer. That may be more helpful to you than trying to listen to the
> screen reader. I can understand speech the majority of the time and I still
> don't like using a screen reader because of the robotic sounds. I rarely use
> my computer but I plan to as soon as my Brailliant display gets back from
> being repaired. I use my BrailleNote apex connected to my phone with the
> speech muted to do most of the things I need to do such as email writing
> assignments with Pages for the iPhone, etc.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>>
>> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting
>> the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am
>> learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this
>> year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate
>> the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time or
>> the energy to sit and just listen.
>>
>> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am
>> working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn
>> about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social
>> media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to
>> learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant
>> chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
>>
>> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>>
>>
>> April Brown
>>
>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>>
>> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
>>
>> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
>> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
>>
>>
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>> nfb-db at nfbnet.org
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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jan  4 00:22:35 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:22:35 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <CAOHXxEbeg9MfdgEh7H-ODqMJ5wYhU4e28yFfKY4+rKEE75=PdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Scott, are you still at the center?  I am scheduled to come on the 21st, 
if my cw doesn't think my section 8 will get in the way.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Scott Davert
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:53 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Happy New Year

Hi April and all.
Sounds like you have quite a lot of goals set out in 2014, that's
awesome! The mac is an entirely new way of accessing the computer, and
it will take some getting used to for sure. I've been using mine for
about a year now and still get frustrated with the Mac side of things
from time to time, and often use the Windows part of my computer for
things like Kurzweil and such. If you have specific questions, you can
feel free to ask.
As for me, my 2014 is starting off rather slowly, which is fine. I'ms
tarting a new tech article this weekend and after completing that,
will get ready to go see my grandma in Fl, and then need to prepare
for my first ever presentation at CSUN in March. I've wanted to do
this for years, so it'll be something I'll be happy to do. The
presentation is on using technology to communicate with the public as
a deaf-blind person and when is or isn't it appropriate to use
technology. So, like you, I'm a busy boy. Oh, and then there is the
full time job. LOL.

Wishing you all the best!
Scott

On 1/2/14, Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Happpy New Year's! April, I suggest using a braille display with your
> computer. That may be more helpful to you than trying to listen to the
> screen reader. I can understand speech the majority of the time and I 
> still
> don't like using a screen reader because of the robotic sounds. I rarely 
> use
> my computer but I plan to as soon as my Brailliant display gets back from
> being repaired. I use my BrailleNote apex connected to my phone with the
> speech muted to do most of the things I need to do such as email writing
> assignments with Pages for the iPhone, etc.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>>
>> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting
>> the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am
>> learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this
>> year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate
>> the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time or
>> the energy to sit and just listen.
>>
>> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am
>> working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn
>> about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social
>> media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to
>> learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant
>> chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
>>
>> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>>
>>
>> April Brown
>>
>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>>
>> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
>>
>> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
>> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nfb-db mailing list
>> nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org
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From scottdavert at gmail.com  Sat Jan  4 00:28:44 2014
From: scottdavert at gmail.com (Scott Davert)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 19:28:44 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <8EBAD662C6CC4963807FA8B17AC5D36B@LenovoTHINK>
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I'll be here.... Good luck!

Scott

On 1/3/14, gene richburg <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi Scott, are you still at the center?  I am scheduled to come on the 21st,
>
> if my cw doesn't think my section 8 will get in the way.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Davert
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:53 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
>
> Hi April and all.
> Sounds like you have quite a lot of goals set out in 2014, that's
> awesome! The mac is an entirely new way of accessing the computer, and
> it will take some getting used to for sure. I've been using mine for
> about a year now and still get frustrated with the Mac side of things
> from time to time, and often use the Windows part of my computer for
> things like Kurzweil and such. If you have specific questions, you can
> feel free to ask.
> As for me, my 2014 is starting off rather slowly, which is fine. I'ms
> tarting a new tech article this weekend and after completing that,
> will get ready to go see my grandma in Fl, and then need to prepare
> for my first ever presentation at CSUN in March. I've wanted to do
> this for years, so it'll be something I'll be happy to do. The
> presentation is on using technology to communicate with the public as
> a deaf-blind person and when is or isn't it appropriate to use
> technology. So, like you, I'm a busy boy. Oh, and then there is the
> full time job. LOL.
>
> Wishing you all the best!
> Scott
>
> On 1/2/14, Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Happpy New Year's! April, I suggest using a braille display with your
>> computer. That may be more helpful to you than trying to listen to the
>> screen reader. I can understand speech the majority of the time and I
>> still
>> don't like using a screen reader because of the robotic sounds. I rarely
>> use
>> my computer but I plan to as soon as my Brailliant display gets back from
>> being repaired. I use my BrailleNote apex connected to my phone with the
>> speech muted to do most of the things I need to do such as email writing
>> assignments with Pages for the iPhone, etc.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy New Year!
>>>
>>> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting
>>> the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am
>>> learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this
>>> year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate
>>> the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time
>>> or
>>> the energy to sit and just listen.
>>>
>>> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am
>>> working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn
>>> about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social
>>> media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to
>>> learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant
>>> chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
>>>
>>> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>>>
>>>
>>> April Brown
>>>
>>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>>>
>>> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
>>> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nfb-db mailing list
>>> nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org
>>
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Sat Jan  4 14:45:14 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:45:14 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <8EBAD662C6CC4963807FA8B17AC5D36B@LenovoTHINK>
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Hi Gene,
What do you mean if your section 8 doesn't get in the way? Your going to start here at HK on January 21st? I am still here, starting my training officialy soon. There is another student here from Austin too. 


Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:22 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott, are you still at the center?  I am scheduled to come on the 21st, if my cw doesn't think my section 8 will get in the way.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Davert
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:53 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
> 
> Hi April and all.
> Sounds like you have quite a lot of goals set out in 2014, that's
> awesome! The mac is an entirely new way of accessing the computer, and
> it will take some getting used to for sure. I've been using mine for
> about a year now and still get frustrated with the Mac side of things
> from time to time, and often use the Windows part of my computer for
> things like Kurzweil and such. If you have specific questions, you can
> feel free to ask.
> As for me, my 2014 is starting off rather slowly, which is fine. I'ms
> tarting a new tech article this weekend and after completing that,
> will get ready to go see my grandma in Fl, and then need to prepare
> for my first ever presentation at CSUN in March. I've wanted to do
> this for years, so it'll be something I'll be happy to do. The
> presentation is on using technology to communicate with the public as
> a deaf-blind person and when is or isn't it appropriate to use
> technology. So, like you, I'm a busy boy. Oh, and then there is the
> full time job. LOL.
> 
> Wishing you all the best!
> Scott
> 
>> On 1/2/14, Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Happpy New Year's! April, I suggest using a braille display with your
>> computer. That may be more helpful to you than trying to listen to the
>> screen reader. I can understand speech the majority of the time and I still
>> don't like using a screen reader because of the robotic sounds. I rarely use
>> my computer but I plan to as soon as my Brailliant display gets back from
>> being repaired. I use my BrailleNote apex connected to my phone with the
>> speech muted to do most of the things I need to do such as email writing
>> assignments with Pages for the iPhone, etc.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Happy New Year!
>>> 
>>> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting
>>> the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am
>>> learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this
>>> year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate
>>> the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time or
>>> the energy to sit and just listen.
>>> 
>>> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am
>>> working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn
>>> about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social
>>> media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to
>>> learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant
>>> chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
>>> 
>>> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> April Brown
>>> 
>>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>>> 
>>> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
>>> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org
>> 
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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jan  4 16:13:40 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:13:40 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] HKNC
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Hi Marsha, well I have to be recertified for section 8 by april, so I'm 
either gonna have to come back home for a few days, or wait untill after I 
get this crap taken care of.  I'm gonna meet with my dars cw on the 8th, and 
I reccon I'll find out then what she wants to do, cause if I have to come 
back home, she'll have to continue paying for me to be in training even 
though I'll be absant for a few days, so we'll just have to wait and see.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 8:45 AM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Happy New Year

Hi Gene,
What do you mean if your section 8 doesn't get in the way? Your going to 
start here at HK on January 21st? I am still here, starting my training 
officialy soon. There is another student here from Austin too.


Marsha drenth
Sent with my IPhone

> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:22 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott, are you still at the center?  I am scheduled to come on the 
> 21st, if my cw doesn't think my section 8 will get in the way.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Davert
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:53 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
>
> Hi April and all.
> Sounds like you have quite a lot of goals set out in 2014, that's
> awesome! The mac is an entirely new way of accessing the computer, and
> it will take some getting used to for sure. I've been using mine for
> about a year now and still get frustrated with the Mac side of things
> from time to time, and often use the Windows part of my computer for
> things like Kurzweil and such. If you have specific questions, you can
> feel free to ask.
> As for me, my 2014 is starting off rather slowly, which is fine. I'ms
> tarting a new tech article this weekend and after completing that,
> will get ready to go see my grandma in Fl, and then need to prepare
> for my first ever presentation at CSUN in March. I've wanted to do
> this for years, so it'll be something I'll be happy to do. The
> presentation is on using technology to communicate with the public as
> a deaf-blind person and when is or isn't it appropriate to use
> technology. So, like you, I'm a busy boy. Oh, and then there is the
> full time job. LOL.
>
> Wishing you all the best!
> Scott
>
>> On 1/2/14, Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Happpy New Year's! April, I suggest using a braille display with your
>> computer. That may be more helpful to you than trying to listen to the
>> screen reader. I can understand speech the majority of the time and I 
>> still
>> don't like using a screen reader because of the robotic sounds. I rarely 
>> use
>> my computer but I plan to as soon as my Brailliant display gets back from
>> being repaired. I use my BrailleNote apex connected to my phone with the
>> speech muted to do most of the things I need to do such as email writing
>> assignments with Pages for the iPhone, etc.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy New Year!
>>>
>>> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting
>>> the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am
>>> learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this
>>> year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate
>>> the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time 
>>> or
>>> the energy to sit and just listen.
>>>
>>> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am
>>> working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn
>>> about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social
>>> media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to
>>> learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant
>>> chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
>>>
>>> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>>>
>>>
>>> April Brown
>>>
>>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>>>
>>> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
>>> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
>>>
>>>
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From guillcat at gmail.com  Sat Jan  4 17:43:26 2014
From: guillcat at gmail.com (Catherine Miller)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:43:26 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
Message-ID: <DB6EC7B1-63F3-46A4-B274-B77BF84B4951@gmail.com>

April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one.  Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller

Sent from my iPad


From sleigland at bresnan.net  Sat Jan  4 18:51:06 2014
From: sleigland at bresnan.net (sheila)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:51:06 -0700
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
In-Reply-To: <DB6EC7B1-63F3-46A4-B274-B77BF84B4951@gmail.com>
References: <DB6EC7B1-63F3-46A4-B274-B77BF84B4951@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52C8581A.5030705@bresnan.net>

hi don't you have to be profoundly or almost profoundly deaf for an 
implant? just wondering because my family is interested in this option 
or the future.
On 1/4/2014 10:43 AM, Catherine Miller wrote:
> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one.  Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jan  4 20:49:30 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 14:49:30 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
In-Reply-To: <DB6EC7B1-63F3-46A4-B274-B77BF84B4951@gmail.com>
References: <DB6EC7B1-63F3-46A4-B274-B77BF84B4951@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5525516DDB0047AC86F90E3D612A3054@LenovoTHINK>

Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an 
implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch with 
one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he really likes 
his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because he's actually able 
to hear people over things such as blenders and mixers, the kind of thing 
that would have been almost impossible with ha's.  He told me, that at 
first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, as time went on, it just got 
better, and better.  So he tells me that when things are quiet, he can tell 
where things are, and he also told me that the cergent was unable to get all 
the channels in to his cochlea, so that might have something to do with how 
well he is able to do.  I also got to talk to some one at the ab event that 
I went to last June, who told me her incredible story of how she went 
totally deaf all of a sudden with out warning when she was 17.  She's now 
61, and she got her ci, and the audi told her that he had a meeting to go 
to, and to set her processor on the music program, so she could try to 
listen to her iPod.  So, she did that, and she said she isn't the kind of 
person that usually cries, but she said that when she heard music that she 
use to listen to before she went deaf, she just broke down.  Then she tried 
learning to listening to speech, so she got this children's story book, and 
the tape that went with it, and she said that for about two weeks, 
everything just sound like mo, mo, moa momo, until one day, she turned it 
on, and she heard, this is the story of snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and 
then everything after that was just jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape 
and tried it again, this time, she heard a little more, and so that's what 
she did to get her through that, eventually she learned how to listen. 
Then, she decided to try the phone, so she decided to call her x husband's 
office, because she new that no one was ever there, and that there would be 
an answering machine, well, she found out later, that she called it 17 
times, before she was able to understand every word.  Now, here's the most 
magical part.  Then, she decided to call her daughter, now, her daughter had 
never heard her speak before, so get ready for this one.  So she called her 
daughter, and when her daughter said hello, her mom said, Tarra, this is 
mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so 
she made her mom repeat everything Tarra said to make sure that it was 
really real, and when they got off the phone, Tarra passed out.  Now, is 
that somethen or what?  This lady, deb, also told me that there are two 
different types of implants, there is the advanced bionics, and just the 
regular one, don't know what that one is called, but with the ab one, you 
get an 85 db sound window, where as with the regular one only 45.  She's 
also a ginny pig for these implants, so she has implants for both kinds, she 
said that when she listened to music with the regular one, she could not 
hear the soft sounds period, they simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, 
she could hear everything.  She al so said, that the difference in the two 
implants, is that the regular one has only one electrode, and that serves 
the power source and channel for it, so it sounds like it only has one 
channel.  Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have 
to make sure that the clenic you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, 
as some only do the other one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've 
also ben told I would not be able to follow music that I've never heard 
before by the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was telling me that she's 
able to listen to, and follow songs she's never heard before.  I guess what 
it all comes down to, is how well the brain is able to adapt, and how much 
work, time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this 
list that have implants, are you able to tell the difference between 
purpendicular, and parallel traffic?


-----Original Message-----
From: Catherine Miller
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders

April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and 
it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one.  Blind 
people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible; 
you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how 
it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and 
surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more 
developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need 
to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller

Sent from my iPad
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Sat Jan  4 23:29:01 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:29:01 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] HKNC
In-Reply-To: <90771CA039994DF6B174B350324E6E53@LenovoTHINK>
References: <E742C39C-DAE4-40D0-AA75-05006F7F1D32@gmail.com>
	<95BE662B-2B46-4BD6-9669-F9D10668E14A@gmail.com>
	<CAOHXxEbeg9MfdgEh7H-ODqMJ5wYhU4e28yFfKY4+rKEE75=PdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8EBAD662C6CC4963807FA8B17AC5D36B@LenovoTHINK>
	<E6A0CFF4-CCAB-4E7D-BC68-E65AFC0676A1@gmail.com>
	<90771CA039994DF6B174B350324E6E53@LenovoTHINK>
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Gene, I see. The waiting list for HK is apparently very long. So I would come as soon as they can get you in.    You can always go home. I guess it would depend on funds and your state. Just my opinion. 


Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 11:13 AM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Marsha, well I have to be recertified for section 8 by april, so I'm either gonna have to come back home for a few days, or wait untill after I get this crap taken care of.  I'm gonna meet with my dars cw on the 8th, and I reccon I'll find out then what she wants to do, cause if I have to come back home, she'll have to continue paying for me to be in training even though I'll be absant for a few days, so we'll just have to wait and see.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 8:45 AM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
> 
> Hi Gene,
> What do you mean if your section 8 doesn't get in the way? Your going to start here at HK on January 21st? I am still here, starting my training officialy soon. There is another student here from Austin too.
> 
> 
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:22 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott, are you still at the center?  I am scheduled to come on the 21st, if my cw doesn't think my section 8 will get in the way.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Davert
>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:53 PM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
>> 
>> Hi April and all.
>> Sounds like you have quite a lot of goals set out in 2014, that's
>> awesome! The mac is an entirely new way of accessing the computer, and
>> it will take some getting used to for sure. I've been using mine for
>> about a year now and still get frustrated with the Mac side of things
>> from time to time, and often use the Windows part of my computer for
>> things like Kurzweil and such. If you have specific questions, you can
>> feel free to ask.
>> As for me, my 2014 is starting off rather slowly, which is fine. I'ms
>> tarting a new tech article this weekend and after completing that,
>> will get ready to go see my grandma in Fl, and then need to prepare
>> for my first ever presentation at CSUN in March. I've wanted to do
>> this for years, so it'll be something I'll be happy to do. The
>> presentation is on using technology to communicate with the public as
>> a deaf-blind person and when is or isn't it appropriate to use
>> technology. So, like you, I'm a busy boy. Oh, and then there is the
>> full time job. LOL.
>> 
>> Wishing you all the best!
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On 1/2/14, Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Happpy New Year's! April, I suggest using a braille display with your
>>> computer. That may be more helpful to you than trying to listen to the
>>> screen reader. I can understand speech the majority of the time and I still
>>> don't like using a screen reader because of the robotic sounds. I rarely use
>>> my computer but I plan to as soon as my Brailliant display gets back from
>>> being repaired. I use my BrailleNote apex connected to my phone with the
>>> speech muted to do most of the things I need to do such as email writing
>>> assignments with Pages for the iPhone, etc.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Happy New Year!
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting
>>>> the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am
>>>> learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this
>>>> year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate
>>>> the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time or
>>>> the energy to sit and just listen.
>>>> 
>>>> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am
>>>> working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn
>>>> about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social
>>>> media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to
>>>> learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant
>>>> chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
>>>> 
>>>> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> April Brown
>>>> 
>>>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>>>> 
>>>> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
>>>> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Sat Jan  4 23:33:43 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:33:43 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
In-Reply-To: <DB6EC7B1-63F3-46A4-B274-B77BF84B4951@gmail.com>
References: <DB6EC7B1-63F3-46A4-B274-B77BF84B4951@gmail.com>
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Where do they get proroity? I am scheduled in march for an evaluation for a CI. I am going to a place here in PA. 

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Catherine Miller <guillcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one.  Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
> 
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From palhub at optonline.net  Sun Jan  5 01:17:26 2014
From: palhub at optonline.net (Trish Hubschman)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:17:26 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
In-Reply-To: <CB4A98B8-AFF6-406B-BC63-3EDEE0AB1E65@gmail.com>
References: <DB6EC7B1-63F3-46A4-B274-B77BF84B4951@gmail.com>
	<CB4A98B8-AFF6-406B-BC63-3EDEE0AB1E65@gmail.com>
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Where,   Marsha, are you having the eval for the CI?  Just curious.  

Trish

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 6:34 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders

Where do they get proroity? I am scheduled in march for an evaluation for a
CI. I am going to a place here in PA. 

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Catherine Miller <guillcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and
it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one.  Blind
people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible;
you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how
it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and
surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more
developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need
to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jan  5 18:11:40 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:11:40 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] 8 privacy tips I phone owners should know about
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	<000f01cf09b3$e5528460$aff78d20$@optonline.net>
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Hi guys, thought since there are people on this list that have I phones, 
especially if you've upgraded to  I o s7, you might wanna take a look at 
this.  Note, if the link breaks in to  two lines, which it might, make sure 
to select both lines, then copy it to the clipboard.  This might not apply 
if you're using an I phone, or simular device.
http://ios.wonderhowto.com/how-to/18-sneaky-privacy-betraying-settings-every
-iphone-owner-must-know-about-ios-7-0148682/ 




From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Sun Jan  5 18:55:07 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:55:07 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
In-Reply-To: <000f01cf09b3$e5528460$aff78d20$@optonline.net>
References: <DB6EC7B1-63F3-46A4-B274-B77BF84B4951@gmail.com>
	<CB4A98B8-AFF6-406B-BC63-3EDEE0AB1E65@gmail.com>
	<000f01cf09b3$e5528460$aff78d20$@optonline.net>
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I think its at the University Penn in Philadelphia. 

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Trish Hubschman <palhub at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> Where,   Marsha, are you having the eval for the CI?  Just curious.  
> 
> Trish
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 6:34 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
> 
> Where do they get proroity? I am scheduled in march for an evaluation for a
> CI. I am going to a place here in PA. 
> 
> Marsha drenth  
> Sent with my IPhone 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Catherine Miller <guillcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and
> it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one.  Blind
> people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible;
> you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how
> it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and
> surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more
> developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need
> to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> nfb-db mailing list
>> nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org
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From president at map-n.org  Mon Jan  6 15:39:35 2014
From: president at map-n.org (Marcus Simmons)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 10:39:35 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] 8 privacy tips I phone owners should know about (gene
	richburg)
Message-ID: <C11593BF1C8C4B369D31EBD8DC031914@toshibauser>

Thanks for the tip, when my Iphone arrives, I will be ahead of the curve.
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From kd0iko at icloud.com  Mon Jan  6 23:28:40 2014
From: kd0iko at icloud.com (maurice mines)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:28:40 -0800
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
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Good afternoon deaf blind list friends, I know this is extremely late but let me pass along best wishes for an outstanding and very productive 2014. A couple things come to mind after reading the first email in this thread. To Ms. Brown what might be helpful for you to join the Mac visionaries email list. There are some deaf blind persons on that list. And the advice that is dispensed to new Apple users is quite helpful. Also you are aware that Apple does have a dedicated disability support area, working group. Sometimes they are quite helpful as well. However one note of caution when dealing with Apple, I make sure that I let them know that I?m using a device that works with my hearing aids when I?m using it because they don?t quite understand why the audio can fluctuate greatly. So it is always helpful to give them a bit of a heads up on the situation. For the most part Apple support staff seem to do a good job. One final request before I go will Cheryl from Montana please give me a jingle? I?ve managed to lose your number. Again all the best.

Sincerely Maurice mines.  personal email address, kd0iko at icloud.com.
On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com> wrote:

> Happy New Year!
> 
> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time or the energy to sit and just listen.
> 
> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
> 
> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
> 
> 
> April Brown
> 
> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
> 
> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
> 
> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
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From kd0iko at icloud.com  Mon Jan  6 23:32:51 2014
From: kd0iko at icloud.com (maurice mines)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:32:51 -0800
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <95BE662B-2B46-4BD6-9669-F9D10668E14A@gmail.com>
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Just to add some of this is to be suggestion that you use a braille display along with the speech, this actually is my preferred method of using the computer. I can easily use mine on the Mac side of things, and I wish I could use this braille display on the Windows side of things as well. But the issues involved in Windows are multiple, and an explanation of them would be best left for a technical list. But if one is using a normal Windows machine using a braille display should be no problem.

Sincerely Maurice mines.  personal email address, kd0iko at icloud.com.
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Happpy New Year's! April, I suggest using a braille display with your computer. That may be more helpful to you than trying to listen to the screen reader. I can understand speech the majority of the time and I still don't like using a screen reader because of the robotic sounds. I rarely use my computer but I plan to as soon as my Brailliant display gets back from being repaired. I use my BrailleNote apex connected to my phone with the speech muted to do most of the things I need to do such as email writing assignments with Pages for the iPhone, etc. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Happy New Year!
>> 
>> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time or the energy to sit and just listen.
>> 
>> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
>> 
>> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>> 
>> 
>> April Brown
>> 
>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>> 
>> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
>> 
>> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
>> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
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From sleigland at bresnan.net  Tue Jan  7 01:58:53 2014
From: sleigland at bresnan.net (sheila)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:58:53 -0700
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <B410F870-B586-4488-8FB5-2C115D51120E@icloud.com>
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maurice 406727-0653
On 1/6/2014 4:28 PM, maurice mines wrote:
> Good afternoon deaf blind list friends, I know this is extremely late but let me pass along best wishes for an outstanding and very productive 2014. A couple things come to mind after reading the first email in this thread. To Ms. Brown what might be helpful for you to join the Mac visionaries email list. There are some deaf blind persons on that list. And the advice that is dispensed to new Apple users is quite helpful. Also you are aware that Apple does have a dedicated disability support area, working group. Sometimes they are quite helpful as well. However one note of caution when dealing with Apple, I make sure that I let them know that I?m using a device that works with my hearing aids when I?m using it because they don?t quite understand why the audio can fluctuate greatly. So it is always helpful to give them a bit of a heads up on the situation. For the most part Apple support staff seem to do a good job. One final request before I go will Cheryl from Montana please give me a jingle? I?ve managed to lose your number. Again all the best.
>
> Sincerely Maurice mines.  personal email address, kd0iko at icloud.com.
> On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Happy New Year!
>>
>> I haven't posted in several months. I am still in the process of getting the training help I need. I am learning to use new programs.  I am learning Braille, though it is a slow process.  One of my goals for this year, is to read a Braille book.  While it would seem I would appreciate the talking books, with my hearing loss, I simply cannot find the time or the energy to sit and just listen.
>>
>> My Windows computer crashed and had to be reformatted twice. So now I am working with a Mac Mini. I really like it. I still have a lot to learn about how to use its features. Dictation seems to work best in social media. As a writer I really need it to work in Pages.  I also need to learn how to use Voiceover. It seems very overwhelming.  The constant chatter confuses me. Perhaps there is a better way?
>>
>> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>>
>>
>> April Brown
>>
>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>>
>> aprilbrownwrite at gmail.com
>>
>> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
>> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
>>
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From aprilbrownshade at gmail.com  Tue Jan  7 12:20:20 2014
From: aprilbrownshade at gmail.com (April Brown)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 07:20:20 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1389096003.17116.nfb-db_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.7.1389096003.17116.nfb-db_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
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Hi Maurice,

     Thanks for your suggestion.  When I first read it, I thought you meant the Mac group was on the NFB list.  I'm actually glad it's a Google group.  I went ahead and applied for membership. And read several posts.  

      I am aware that Apple has a dedicated blind and deaf call line.  I tried to call it yesterday. They had a hard rock music that hurt my ears playing, and I waited about six minutes for a person to answer.  I ended up using the online chat message system. And the person there didn't know anything about the problem I'm having.  After this massive winter storm blows over, I will try the blind and deaf line again. I figure they are just shortstaffed right now. It was worth it to try the chat feature, as I still do better reading than listening.  

Thanks and have a great day,

April Brown

Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.

Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts

On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:00 AM, nfb-db-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
> 
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:28:40 -0800
> From: maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com>
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
> Message-ID: <B410F870-B586-4488-8FB5-2C115D51120E at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Good afternoon deaf blind list friends, I know this is extremely late but let me pass along best wishes for an outstanding and very productive 2014. A couple things come to mind after reading the first email in this thread. To Ms. Brown what might be helpful for you to join the Mac visionaries email list. There are some deaf blind persons on that list. And the advice that is dispensed to new Apple users is quite helpful. Also you are aware that Apple does have a dedicated disability support area, working group. Sometimes they are quite helpful as well. However one note of caution when dealing with Apple, I make sure that I let them know that I?m using a device that works with my hearing aids when I?m using it because they don?t quite understand why the audio can fluctuate greatly. So it is always helpful to give them a bit of a heads up on the situation. For the most part Apple support staff seem to do a good job. One final request before I go will Cheryl from Montana please give me a jingle? I?ve managed to lose your number. Again all the best.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice mines.  personal email address, kd0iko at icloud.com.
> On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com> wrote:
> 




From guillcat at gmail.com  Tue Jan  7 23:55:54 2014
From: guillcat at gmail.com (Catherine Miller)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 17:55:54 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with Screen Readers
Message-ID: <7E2D2D2A-2BB5-4F7D-AAFA-5A7A4D9BA92A@gmail.com>

The old rule about not implanting unless the person was profoundly deaf is no longer cut and dry.  This is probably due to several factors, not the least of which is the low risk compared to before.  Yes, the evaluation does include a visit with an audiologist who, after testing, will tell you if you are profoundly or just severely deaf.  But that's only a part of the eval, and used alone does not indicate whether a person is a candidate.  A wholistic approach is taken, in which the surgeon learns about your lifestyle and about how much information you get about your environment from visual cues.  The whole process seems quite subjective, and that is why everyone should be evaluated.  If all you wish to do in life is sit on your potato couch, there's no sense in getting implanted.  None of us are like that.  Make that phone call today.  Your current audi can tell you where the closest CI center is; and the center will require a recommendation from your ENT.  The whole process takes months.  Don't delay.  You can always change your mind; and the actual best thing that can happen is that you fail the evaluation  Smile.  Cathy

Sent from my iPad


From sleigland at bresnan.net  Wed Jan  8 00:02:43 2014
From: sleigland at bresnan.net (sheila)
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:02:43 -0700
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with Screen Readers
In-Reply-To: <7E2D2D2A-2BB5-4F7D-AAFA-5A7A4D9BA92A@gmail.com>
References: <7E2D2D2A-2BB5-4F7D-AAFA-5A7A4D9BA92A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52CC95A3.8030005@bresnan.net>

was just wondering how all of the implant evaluations worked. Thanks for 
the information.
On 1/7/2014 4:55 PM, Catherine Miller wrote:
> The old rule about not implanting unless the person was profoundly deaf is no longer cut and dry.  This is probably due to several factors, not the least of which is the low risk compared to before.  Yes, the evaluation does include a visit with an audiologist who, after testing, will tell you if you are profoundly or just severely deaf.  But that's only a part of the eval, and used alone does not indicate whether a person is a candidate.  A wholistic approach is taken, in which the surgeon learns about your lifestyle and about how much information you get about your environment from visual cues.  The whole process seems quite subjective, and that is why everyone should be evaluated.  If all you wish to do in life is sit on your potato couch, there's no sense in getting implanted.  None of us are like that.  Make that phone call today.  Your current audi can tell you where the closest CI center is; and the center will require a recommendation from your ENT.  The whole process takes months.  Don't delay.  You can always change your mind; and the actual best thing that can happen is that you fail the evaluation  Smile.  Cathy
>
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From kd0iko at icloud.com  Fri Jan 10 23:07:47 2014
From: kd0iko at icloud.com (maurice mines)
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:07:47 -0800
Subject: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <6DA4B0C5-2230-42EA-A6AE-AA9B88FEB4BF@gmail.com>
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	<6DA4B0C5-2230-42EA-A6AE-AA9B88FEB4BF@gmail.com>
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Dear April, the other thing you might try asking for a senior advisor. Those people normally have quite a bit more technical training then the normal Apple support people. And worrying about the major storm should not affect Apple?s operations, because most of their support centers are in the West. They are located either in Texas, or in Northern California, or even in Portland Oregon. So whether should not be a large factor. I really do wish that there would be a way to request a silent hold, because whenever I use my hearing aids, and the Bluetooth interface that goes to my iPhone it can at times become quite annoying. I hope all is well? Please forgive me for taking so long to answer you, it?s the first week of winter quarter and I?ve been extremely busy.

Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.

On Jan 7, 2014, at 4:20 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Maurice,
> 
>     Thanks for your suggestion.  When I first read it, I thought you meant the Mac group was on the NFB list.  I'm actually glad it's a Google group.  I went ahead and applied for membership. And read several posts.  
> 
>      I am aware that Apple has a dedicated blind and deaf call line.  I tried to call it yesterday. They had a hard rock music that hurt my ears playing, and I waited about six minutes for a person to answer.  I ended up using the online chat message system. And the person there didn't know anything about the problem I'm having.  After this massive winter storm blows over, I will try the blind and deaf line again. I figure they are just shortstaffed right now. It was worth it to try the chat feature, as I still do better reading than listening.  
> 
> Thanks and have a great day,
> 
> April Brown
> 
> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
> 
> Website: https://sites.google.com/site/uncoveredmyths/
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/UncoveredMyths
> Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/116003267969710767555/posts
> 
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:00 AM, nfb-db-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:28:40 -0800
>> From: maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com>
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Happy New Year
>> Message-ID: <B410F870-B586-4488-8FB5-2C115D51120E at icloud.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>> 
>> Good afternoon deaf blind list friends, I know this is extremely late but let me pass along best wishes for an outstanding and very productive 2014. A couple things come to mind after reading the first email in this thread. To Ms. Brown what might be helpful for you to join the Mac visionaries email list. There are some deaf blind persons on that list. And the advice that is dispensed to new Apple users is quite helpful. Also you are aware that Apple does have a dedicated disability support area, working group. Sometimes they are quite helpful as well. However one note of caution when dealing with Apple, I make sure that I let them know that I?m using a device that works with my hearing aids when I?m using it because they don?t quite understand why the audio can fluctuate greatly. So it is always helpful to give them a bit of a heads up on the situation. For the most part Apple support staff seem to do a good job. One final request before I go will Cheryl from Montana please give
> me a jingle? I?ve managed to lose your number. Again all the best.
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice mines.  personal email address, kd0iko at icloud.com.
>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 17:02:59 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 12:02:59 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
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Gene,
Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going to be coming to HK this coming week? 


Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch with one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he really likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because he's actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and mixers, the kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with ha's.  He told me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, as time went on, it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that when things are quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told me that the cergent was unable to get all the channels in to his cochlea, so that might have something to do with how well he is able to do.  I also got to talk to some one at the ab event that I went to last June, who told me her incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a sudden with out warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her ci, and the audi told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her processor on the music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod.  So, she did that, and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually cries, but she said that when she heard music that she use to listen to before she went deaf, she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to listening to speech, so she got this children's story book, and the tape that went with it, and she said that for about two weeks, everything just sound like mo, mo, moa momo, until one day, she turned it on, and she heard, this is the story of snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then everything after that was just jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape and tried it again, this time, she heard a little more, and so that's what she did to get her through that, eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she decided to try the phone, so she decided to call her x husband's office, because she new that no one was ever there, and that there would be an answering machine, well, she found out later, that she called it 17 times, before she was able to understand every word.  Now, here's the most magical part.  Then, she decided to call her daughter, now, her daughter had never heard her speak before, so get ready for this one.  So she called her daughter, and when her daughter said hello, her mom said, Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom repeat everything Tarra said to make sure that it was really real, and when they got off the phone, Tarra passed out.  Now, is that somethen or what?  This lady, deb, also told me that there are two different types of implants, there is the advanced bionics, and just the regular one, don't know what that one is called, but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound window, where as with the regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for these implants, so she has implants for both kinds, she said that when she listened to music with the regular one, she could not hear the soft sounds period, they simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could hear everything.  She al so said, that the difference in the two implants, is that the regular one has only one electrode, and that serves the power source and channel for it, so it sounds like it only has one channel.  Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have to make sure that the clenic you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, as some only do the other one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've also ben told I would not be able to follow music that I've never heard before by the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was telling me that she's able to listen to, and follow songs she's never heard before.  I guess what it all comes down to, is how well the brain is able to adapt, and how much work, time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this list that have implants, are you able to tell the difference between purpendicular, and parallel traffic?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Catherine Miller
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
> 
> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one.  Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jan 19 04:46:15 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 22:46:15 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm gonna do 
the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do that, so yes, 
I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there around 4:05 pm, now, 
I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom is coming as well for a 
tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so that she could see the 
center, and partisipate in some of my classes to see what I'll be learning 
there.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders

Gene,
Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going to 
be coming to HK this coming week?


Marsha drenth
Sent with my IPhone

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an 
> implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch with 
> one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he really 
> likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because he's 
> actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and mixers, the 
> kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with ha's.  He told 
> me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, as time went on, 
> it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that when things are 
> quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told me that the cergent 
> was unable to get all the channels in to his cochlea, so that might have 
> something to do with how well he is able to do.  I also got to talk to 
> some one at the ab event that I went to last June, who told me her 
> incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a sudden with out 
> warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her ci, and the audi 
> told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her processor on the 
> music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod.  So, she did that, 
> and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually cries, but she said 
> that when she heard music that she use to listen to before she went deaf, 
> she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to listening to speech, so 
> she got this children's story book, and the tape that went with it, and 
> she said that for about two weeks, everything just sound like mo, mo, moa 
> momo, until one day, she turned it on, and she heard, this is the story of 
> snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then everything after that was just 
> jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape and tried it again, this time, 
> she heard a little more, and so that's what she did to get her through 
> that, eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she decided to try the 
> phone, so she decided to call her x husband's office, because she new that 
> no one was ever there, and that there would be an answering machine, well, 
> she found out later, that she called it 17 times, before she was able to 
> understand every word.  Now, here's the most magical part.  Then, she 
> decided to call her daughter, now, her daughter had never heard her speak 
> before, so get ready for this one.  So she called her daughter, and when 
> her daughter said hello, her mom said, Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said, 
> a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom 
> repeat everything Tarra said to make sure that it was really real, and 
> when they got off the phone, Tarra passed out.  Now, is that somethen or 
> what?  This lady, deb, also told me that there are two different types of 
> implants, there is the advanced bionics, and just the regular one, don't 
> know what that one is called, but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound 
> window, where as with the regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for 
> these implants, so she has implants for both kinds, she said that when she 
> listened to music with the regular one, she could not hear the soft sounds 
> period, they simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could hear 
> everything.  She al so said, that the difference in the two implants, is 
> that the regular one has only one electrode, and that serves the power 
> source and channel for it, so it sounds like it only has one channel. 
> Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have to make 
> sure that the clenic you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, as some 
> only do the other one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've also ben 
> told I would not be able to follow music that I've never heard before by 
> the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was telling me that she's able to 
> listen to, and follow songs she's never heard before.  I guess what it all 
> comes down to, is how well the brain is able to adapt, and how much work, 
> time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this list 
> that have implants, are you able to tell the difference between 
> purpendicular, and parallel traffic?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Catherine Miller
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>
> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and 
> it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one. 
> Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're 
> eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized 
> compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing 
> numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so 
> much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but 
> non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From palhub at optonline.net  Sun Jan 19 11:04:20 2014
From: palhub at optonline.net (Trish Hubschman)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 06:04:20 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
In-Reply-To: <48009E62A1D14B76964A287E7F0BD651@LenovoTHINK>
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That's wonederful.  Good  luck.

Trish

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of gene richburg
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:46 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC

Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm gonna do
the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do that, so yes,
I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there around 4:05 pm, now,
I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom is coming as well for a
tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so that she could see the
center, and partisipate in some of my classes to see what I'll be learning
there.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders

Gene,
Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going to
be coming to HK this coming week?


Marsha drenth
Sent with my IPhone

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an 
> implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch with

> one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he really 
> likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because he's 
> actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and mixers, the 
> kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with ha's.  He told 
> me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, as time went on, 
> it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that when things are 
> quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told me that the cergent 
> was unable to get all the channels in to his cochlea, so that might have 
> something to do with how well he is able to do.  I also got to talk to 
> some one at the ab event that I went to last June, who told me her 
> incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a sudden with out 
> warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her ci, and the audi 
> told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her processor on the 
> music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod.  So, she did that, 
> and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually cries, but she said

> that when she heard music that she use to listen to before she went deaf, 
> she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to listening to speech, so 
> she got this children's story book, and the tape that went with it, and 
> she said that for about two weeks, everything just sound like mo, mo, moa 
> momo, until one day, she turned it on, and she heard, this is the story of

> snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then everything after that was just 
> jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape and tried it again, this time, 
> she heard a little more, and so that's what she did to get her through 
> that, eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she decided to try the 
> phone, so she decided to call her x husband's office, because she new that

> no one was ever there, and that there would be an answering machine, well,

> she found out later, that she called it 17 times, before she was able to 
> understand every word.  Now, here's the most magical part.  Then, she 
> decided to call her daughter, now, her daughter had never heard her speak 
> before, so get ready for this one.  So she called her daughter, and when 
> her daughter said hello, her mom said, Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said,

> a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom 
> repeat everything Tarra said to make sure that it was really real, and 
> when they got off the phone, Tarra passed out.  Now, is that somethen or 
> what?  This lady, deb, also told me that there are two different types of 
> implants, there is the advanced bionics, and just the regular one, don't 
> know what that one is called, but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound 
> window, where as with the regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for

> these implants, so she has implants for both kinds, she said that when she

> listened to music with the regular one, she could not hear the soft sounds

> period, they simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could hear 
> everything.  She al so said, that the difference in the two implants, is 
> that the regular one has only one electrode, and that serves the power 
> source and channel for it, so it sounds like it only has one channel. 
> Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have to make 
> sure that the clenic you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, as some

> only do the other one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've also ben 
> told I would not be able to follow music that I've never heard before by 
> the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was telling me that she's able to 
> listen to, and follow songs she's never heard before.  I guess what it all

> comes down to, is how well the brain is able to adapt, and how much work, 
> time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this list

> that have implants, are you able to tell the difference between 
> purpendicular, and parallel traffic?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Catherine Miller
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>
> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and

> it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one. 
> Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're 
> eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized 
> compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing 
> numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so 
> much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but 
> non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> nfb-db mailing list
> nfb-db at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org
>
>
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Sun Jan 19 16:41:27 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 11:41:27 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
In-Reply-To: <48009E62A1D14B76964A287E7F0BD651@LenovoTHINK>
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Gene, that is great. I guess we will see you in a couple of days. 

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:46 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm gonna do the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do that, so yes, I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there around 4:05 pm, now, I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom is coming as well for a tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so that she could see the center, and partisipate in some of my classes to see what I'll be learning there.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
> 
> Gene,
> Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going to be coming to HK this coming week?
> 
> 
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch with one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he really likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because he's actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and mixers, the kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with ha's.  He told me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, as time went on, it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that when things are quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told me that the cergent was unable to get all the channels in to his cochlea, so that might have something to do with how well he is able to do.  I also got to talk to some one at the ab event that I went to last June, who told me her incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a sudden with out warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her ci, and the audi told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her processor on the music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod.  So, she did that, and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually cries, but she said that when she heard music that she use to listen to before she went deaf, she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to listening to speech, so she got this children's story book, and the tape that went with it, and she said that for about two weeks, everything just sound like mo, mo, moa momo, until one day, she turned it on, and she heard, this is the story of snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then everything after that was just jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape and tried it again, this time, she heard a little more, and so that's what she did to get her through that, eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she decided to try the phone, so she decided to call her x husband's office, because she new that no one was ever there, and that there would be an answering machine, well, she found out later, that she called it 17 times, before she was able to understand every word.  Now, here's the most magical part.  Then, she decided to call her daughter, now, her daughter had never heard her speak before, so get ready for this one.  So she called her daughter, and when her daughter said hello, her mom said, Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom repeat everything Tarra said to make sure that it was really real, and when they got off the phone, Tarra passed out.  Now, is that somethen or what?  This lady, deb, also told me that there are two different types of implants, there is the advanced bionics, and just the regular one, don't know what that one is called, but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound window, where as with the regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for these implants, so she has implants for both kinds, she said that when she listened to music with the regular one, she could not hear the soft sounds period, they simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could hear everything.  She al so said, that the difference in the two implants, is that the regular one has only one electrode, and that serves the power source and channel for it, so it sounds like it only has one channel. Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have to make sure that the clenic you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, as some only do the other one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've also ben told I would not be able to follow music that I've never heard before by the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was telling me that she's able to listen to, and follow songs she's never heard before.  I guess what it all comes down to, is how well the brain is able to adapt, and how much work, time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this list that have implants, are you able to tell the difference between purpendicular, and parallel traffic?
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Catherine Miller
>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
>> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>> 
>> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one. Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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From guillcat at gmail.com  Sun Jan 19 21:37:47 2014
From: guillcat at gmail.com (Catherine Miller)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:37:47 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with Screenreaders
Message-ID: <FED2A272-9BC3-4D46-B2E1-D4DB49BCFBB4@gmail.com>

I cannot determine, at this point, the difference between perpendicular and parallel traffice.  The reason is because I haven't reached that particular question on my list of priorities yet.  The last few years with my CIs have been so busy with all the new busy-ness of hearing people and audio books and podcasts and music and the whispers of my husband and the birds and voices of friends and the sermons of my minister that I have not actually taken the time to stand on the street corner.  That's what SSPs are for.  And no, I cannot tell where a sound is coming from unless there is only one sound in a quiet environment.  BUT, please, oh please, do not accept any brand of implant for which the surgeon or audi tells you there are limitations.  For example if you are told, before implantation, that you will not be able to enjoy music you haven't heard before, you do not want to settle for that implant.  The only implant you should accept is the one that will provide you with unlimited sound capability.  You should be limited only by your physical capabilities combined on your brain's level of adaptation to the signals carried by the auditory nerve.  Let me explain.  On the day my implant was first activated, my brain could withstand only a certain amount of sound because it hadn't received sound in a long time.  The very next day, the audi turned the volume a great deal louder and I was able to hear softer sounds.  That's because my brain had adjusted to hearing the new sounds in the 24 hours since the implant was activated.  Then for the next 30 days I used external controls to increase volume incrementally until I saw the audi again.  Each time I turned up the volume, I gained mor esounds and heard more of the conversations around me.  My brain would not have been able to tolerate all this volume in the first few days.  

My insurance also paid for a speech therapist during this adjustment period.  The therapist tracked my progress in a manner that revealed which particular sounds I needed more exposure to in order to train my brain to hear them well.  

You say magical?  I say miraculous.  There are no limits, provided you are medically, physically, a candidate for implantation.

Cathy Miller


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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jan 19 23:20:42 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 17:20:42 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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Hi Marsha, yes, you will, and I've been cleaning some of my old lp's and 
recording them in to the computer so that I can bring them with me to finish 
the process of getting the pops, scratches, and other noise out of them 
after I get there so I'll have something to do if I get bord, and offer them 
to any one who wants a copy.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:41 AM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC

Gene, that is great. I guess we will see you in a couple of days.

Marsha drenth
Sent with my IPhone

> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:46 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm gonna 
> do the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do that, so 
> yes, I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there around 4:05 
> pm, now, I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom is coming as 
> well for a tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so that she could 
> see the center, and partisipate in some of my classes to see what I'll be 
> learning there.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>
> Gene,
> Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going 
> to be coming to HK this coming week?
>
>
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
>
>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an 
>> implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch 
>> with one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he 
>> really likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because 
>> he's actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and 
>> mixers, the kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with 
>> ha's.  He told me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, as 
>> time went on, it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that when 
>> things are quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told me that 
>> the cergent was unable to get all the channels in to his cochlea, so that 
>> might have something to do with how well he is able to do.  I also got to 
>> talk to some one at the ab event that I went to last June, who told me 
>> her incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a sudden with 
>> out warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her ci, and the 
>> audi told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her processor on 
>> the music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod.  So, she did 
>> that, and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually cries, but 
>> she said that when she heard music that she use to listen to before she 
>> went deaf, she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to listening to 
>> speech, so she got this children's story book, and the tape that went 
>> with it, and she said that for about two weeks, everything just sound 
>> like mo, mo, moa momo, until one day, she turned it on, and she heard, 
>> this is the story of snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then everything 
>> after that was just jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape and tried it 
>> again, this time, she heard a little more, and so that's what she did to 
>> get her through that, eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she 
>> decided to try the phone, so she decided to call her x husband's office, 
>> because she new that no one was ever there, and that there would be an 
>> answering machine, well, she found out later, that she called it 17 
>> times, before she was able to understand every word.  Now, here's the 
>> most magical part.  Then, she decided to call her daughter, now, her 
>> daughter had never heard her speak before, so get ready for this one.  So 
>> she called her daughter, and when her daughter said hello, her mom said, 
>> Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she 
>> wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom repeat everything Tarra said to make 
>> sure that it was really real, and when they got off the phone, Tarra 
>> passed out.  Now, is that somethen or what?  This lady, deb, also told me 
>> that there are two different types of implants, there is the advanced 
>> bionics, and just the regular one, don't know what that one is called, 
>> but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound window, where as with the 
>> regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for these implants, so she 
>> has implants for both kinds, she said that when she listened to music 
>> with the regular one, she could not hear the soft sounds period, they 
>> simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could hear everything.  She 
>> al so said, that the difference in the two implants, is that the regular 
>> one has only one electrode, and that serves the power source and channel 
>> for it, so it sounds like it only has one channel. Now, the ab one, has 
>> 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have to make sure that the clenic 
>> you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, as some only do the other 
>> one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've also ben told I would not 
>> be able to follow music that I've never heard before by the audiologist 
>> that tested me, but Deb was telling me that she's able to listen to, and 
>> follow songs she's never heard before.  I guess what it all comes down 
>> to, is how well the brain is able to adapt, and how much work, time, and 
>> energy a person puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this list that 
>> have implants, are you able to tell the difference between purpendicular, 
>> and parallel traffic?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Catherine Miller
>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
>> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>
>> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, 
>> and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one. 
>> Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're 
>> eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized 
>> compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing 
>> numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so 
>> much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but 
>> non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
>>
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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jan 19 23:24:01 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 17:24:01 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with Screenreaders
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Hi, yeah, you know, the audi told me that I wouldn't be able to hear music 
that I haven't heard before with the advanced bionics, but some one else who 
has one told me that she was able to, so I guess it really comes down to how 
the brain is able to adapt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Catherine Miller
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:37 PM
To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with Screenreaders

I cannot determine, at this point, the difference between perpendicular and 
parallel traffice.  The reason is because I haven't reached that particular 
question on my list of priorities yet.  The last few years with my CIs have 
been so busy with all the new busy-ness of hearing people and audio books 
and podcasts and music and the whispers of my husband and the birds and 
voices of friends and the sermons of my minister that I have not actually 
taken the time to stand on the street corner.  That's what SSPs are for. 
And no, I cannot tell where a sound is coming from unless there is only one 
sound in a quiet environment.  BUT, please, oh please, do not accept any 
brand of implant for which the surgeon or audi tells you there are 
limitations.  For example if you are told, before implantation, that you 
will not be able to enjoy music you haven't heard before, you do not want to 
settle for that implant.  The only implant you should accept is the one that 
will provide you with unlimited sound capability.  You should be limited 
only by your physical capabilities combined on your brain's level of 
adaptation to the signals carried by the auditory nerve.  Let me explain. 
On the day my implant was first activated, my brain could withstand only a 
certain amount of sound because it hadn't received sound in a long time. 
The very next day, the audi turned the volume a great deal louder and I was 
able to hear softer sounds.  That's because my brain had adjusted to hearing 
the new sounds in the 24 hours since the implant was activated.  Then for 
the next 30 days I used external controls to increase volume incrementally 
until I saw the audi again.  Each time I turned up the volume, I gained mor 
esounds and heard more of the conversations around me.  My brain would not 
have been able to tolerate all this volume in the first few days.

My insurance also paid for a speech therapist during this adjustment period. 
The therapist tracked my progress in a manner that revealed which particular 
sounds I needed more exposure to in order to train my brain to hear them 
well.

You say magical?  I say miraculous.  There are no limits, provided you are 
medically, physically, a candidate for implantation.

Cathy Miller


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From president at map-n.org  Mon Jan 20 14:31:10 2014
From: president at map-n.org (Marcus Simmons)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 09:31:10 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] I Phone 5S Questions
Message-ID: <008A431C8F4F4B2183F88A070743C5BB@toshibauser>

1. Can a I phone 5S be set to alarm at 8:50 P.M. on the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of each month? and can it alarm at 11:00 P.M. each day?
2. I am using Openbook to read books and keep a copy on my computer for reference. Can the I phone 5S be programmed to do the same?
3. I have a MP3 file I want to serve as a ringtone, is this possible?
4. Is the GPS a standard feature on the I phone 5S?
5. Can I send files from my I phone 5S to a regular wireless printer?

Changing what it means to be blind,
Marcus Simmons, President,
Wayne County chapter NFBMI
Second Vice-president, NFB Deaf/Blind Division
28179 Brentwood
Southfield, MI 48076-3069
president at map-n.org
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From pawpower4me at gmail.com  Mon Jan 20 15:15:33 2014
From: pawpower4me at gmail.com (The Pawpower Pack)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 09:15:33 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] I Phone 5S Questions
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Good morning, Marcus, I will answer the questions for which I have an answer. 
Yes you can use ringtones you make yourself or send to the iPhone. I'm not familiar with this process as I only use vibration, but if you google it, you will get instructions. 
The iPhone has GPS, and you can also buy other GPS for it such as iMove or Around me.  I use the GPS almost every day. 
I use the calendar, and as far as I know, appointments are either daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly. However I could be wrong.  You can set an alarm every day, if you voice, and use Siri, you can just hold the home button and say "set an alarm for 11 a.m. and it will be done without going into the app. 

You can also share files using dropbox.  I do this all the time, but you will have to find an app that supports the file type you read, e.g. brf, txt, kindle, etc.  But this is quite easy and there are many recommendations on the Applevis website. 
Best, 
Rox

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:31 AM, "Marcus Simmons" <president at map-n.org> wrote:

> 1. Can a I phone 5S be set to alarm at 8:50 P.M. on the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of each month? and can it alarm at 11:00 P.M. each day?
> 2. I am using Openbook to read books and keep a copy on my computer for reference. Can the I phone 5S be programmed to do the same?
> 3. I have a MP3 file I want to serve as a ringtone, is this possible?
> 4. Is the GPS a standard feature on the I phone 5S?
> 5. Can I send files from my I phone 5S to a regular wireless printer?
>  
> Changing what it means to be blind,
> Marcus Simmons, President,
> Wayne County chapter NFBMI
> Second Vice-president, NFB Deaf/Blind Division
> 28179 Brentwood
> Southfield, MI 48076-3069
> president at map-n.org
> (248) 552-8928
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From Cherifields at aol.com  Tue Jan 21 04:23:13 2014
From: Cherifields at aol.com (Cherifields at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:23:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with Screenreaders
Message-ID: <69097.1d1f4f35.400f5035@aol.com>

Cathy that's wonderful for you.  I'm glad it has given you back what  you 
have missed.  Tracie and Katie must still need that little push forward  new 
sounds that they haven't heard in so long.  They both still want to  rely on 
sign language interpreters, especially in a group setting instead of  
trying to hear.  So it makes me think that this is not as perfect as is  said.  
Maybe they just don't want to trust their hearing yet. If insurance  is going 
to pay this big amount it needs to have a higher success rate than  still 
needing interpreters.  Wouldn't you agree?
Cheri Fields
 
In a message dated 1/19/2014 1:38:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
guillcat at gmail.com writes:

I cannot  determine, at this point, the difference between perpendicular 
and parallel  traffice.  The reason is because I haven't reached that 
particular  question on my list of priorities yet.  The last few years with my CIs  
have been so busy with all the new busy-ness of hearing people and audio 
books  and podcasts and music and the whispers of my husband and the birds and 
voices  of friends and the sermons of my minister that I have not actually 
taken the  time to stand on the street corner.  That's what SSPs are for.  
And  no, I cannot tell where a sound is coming from unless there is only one 
sound  in a quiet environment.  BUT, please, oh please, do not accept any 
brand  of implant for which the surgeon or audi tells you there are  
limitations.  For example if you are told, before implantation, that you  will not be 
able to enjoy music you haven't heard before, you do not want to  settle for 
that implant.  The only implant you should accept is the one  that will 
provide you with unl
imited sound capability.  You should be  limited only by your physical 
capabilities combined on your brain's level of  adaptation to the signals 
carried by the auditory nerve.  Let me  explain.  On the day my implant was first 
activated, my brain could  withstand only a certain amount of sound because 
it hadn't received sound in a  long time.  The very next day, the audi 
turned the volume a great deal  louder and I was able to hear softer sounds.  
That's because my brain had  adjusted to hearing the new sounds in the 24 hours 
since the implant was  activated.  Then for the next 30 days I used 
external controls to  increase volume incrementally until I saw the audi again.  
Each time I  turned up the volume, I gained mor esounds and heard more of the 
conversations  around me.  My brain would not have been able to tolerate all 
this volume  in the first few days.  

My insurance also paid for a speech  therapist during this adjustment 
period.  The therapist tracked my  progress in a manner that revealed which 
particular sounds I needed more  exposure to in order to train my brain to hear 
them well.  

You  say magical?  I say miraculous.  There are no limits, provided you  
are medically, physically, a candidate for implantation.

Cathy  Miller


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From guillcat at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 20:32:52 2014
From: guillcat at gmail.com (Catherine Miller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:32:52 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] CI Success Determinants
Message-ID: <32FADCFE-9CDD-47F2-B86D-6D4CDBC47779@gmail.com>

Hmm.  Katy and Tracy relying on sign language interpreters after implantation?  I wish I could rely on sign language too, in addition to having my hearing.  I do have a few questions.  How long ago did they receive their implants?  What is their native language mode, sign or oral?  One list member said she or someone else had an implant with only one electrode.  I heave 22 electrodes on each side.  Also, is Katy's and Tracy's vision stable?  If they can see enough to rely on sign language, that is just fine.  If their vision gets worse, they will make the decision to return to the audi for more adjustments to the software, i.e., volume, etc.  If they have a current generation sound processor, they will be able to make the switch when they need to.  

Sent from my iPad


From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 21:38:20 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 16:38:20 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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Gene,
I am assuming because of the weather, you won't be arriving today? Or atleast I hope not today. If you didn't know, there is a huge snow storm, impacting much of the east coast right now, expecting to get about 12 inches of snow. Hope your well in sunny warm Texas still...

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 19, 2014, at 6:20 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Marsha, yes, you will, and I've been cleaning some of my old lp's and recording them in to the computer so that I can bring them with me to finish the process of getting the pops, scratches, and other noise out of them after I get there so I'll have something to do if I get bord, and offer them to any one who wants a copy.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:41 AM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
> 
> Gene, that is great. I guess we will see you in a couple of days.
> 
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:46 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm gonna do the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do that, so yes, I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there around 4:05 pm, now, I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom is coming as well for a tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so that she could see the center, and partisipate in some of my classes to see what I'll be learning there.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>> 
>> Gene,
>> Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going to be coming to HK this coming week?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch with one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he really likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because he's actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and mixers, the kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with ha's.  He told me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, as time went on, it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that when things are quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told me that the cergent was unable to get all the channels in to his cochlea, so that might have something to do with how well he is able to do.  I also got to talk to some one at the ab event that I went to last June, who told me her incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a sudden with out warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her ci, and the audi told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her processor on the music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod.  So, she did that, and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually cries, but she said that when she heard music that she use to listen to before she went deaf, she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to listening to speech, so she got this children's story book, and the tape that went with it, and she said that for about two weeks, everything just sound like mo, mo, moa momo, until one day, she turned it on, and she heard, this is the story of snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then everything after that was just jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape and tried it again, this time, she heard a little more, and so that's what she did to get her through that, eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she decided to try the phone, so she decided to call her x husband's office, because she new that no one was ever there, and that there would be an answering machine, well, she found out later, that she called it 17 times, before she was able to understand every word.  Now, here's the most magical part.  Then, she decided to call her daughter, now, her daughter had never heard her speak before, so get ready for this one.  So she called her daughter, and when her daughter said hello, her mom said, Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom repeat everything Tarra said to make sure that it was really real, and when they got off the phone, Tarra passed out.  Now, is that somethen or what?  This lady, deb, also told me that there are two different types of implants, there is the advanced bionics, and just the regular one, don't know what that one is called, but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound window, where as with the regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for these implants, so she has implants for both kinds, she said that when she listened to music with the regular one, she could not hear the soft sounds period, they simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could hear everything.  She al so said, that the difference in the two implants, is that the regular one has only one electrode, and that serves the power source and channel for it, so it sounds like it only has one channel. Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have to make sure that the clenic you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, as some only do the other one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've also ben told I would not be able to follow music that I've never heard before by the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was telling me that she's able to listen to, and follow songs she's never heard before.  I guess what it all comes down to, is how well the brain is able to adapt, and how much work, time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this list that have implants, are you able to tell the difference between purpendicular, and parallel traffic?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Catherine Miller
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
>>> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>> 
>>> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one. Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
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From palhub at optonline.net  Tue Jan 21 21:44:49 2014
From: palhub at optonline.net (Trish Hubschman)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 16:44:49 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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I was wondering the same thing.  Gene, stay home in Texas.  The  weather on
Li stinks and I'm from here.

Trish

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:38 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC

Gene,
I am assuming because of the weather, you won't be arriving today? Or
atleast I hope not today. If you didn't know, there is a huge snow storm,
impacting much of the east coast right now, expecting to get about 12 inches
of snow. Hope your well in sunny warm Texas still...

Marsha drenth
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 19, 2014, at 6:20 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com>
wrote:
> 
> Hi Marsha, yes, you will, and I've been cleaning some of my old lp's and
recording them in to the computer so that I can bring them with me to finish
the process of getting the pops, scratches, and other noise out of them
after I get there so I'll have something to do if I get bord, and offer them
to any one who wants a copy.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:41 AM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
> 
> Gene, that is great. I guess we will see you in a couple of days.
> 
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:46 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com>
wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm gonna
do the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do that, so
yes, I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there around 4:05 pm,
now, I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom is coming as well
for a tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so that she could see
the center, and partisipate in some of my classes to see what I'll be
learning there.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>> 
>> Gene,
>> Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going
to be coming to HK this coming week?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting 
>>> an implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in 
>>> touch with one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to 
>>> that he really likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice 
>>> program because he's actually able to hear people over things such 
>>> as blenders and mixers, the kind of thing that would have been 
>>> almost impossible with ha's.  He told me, that at first, things 
>>> sounded pretty robotic, then, as time went on, it just got better, 
>>> and better.  So he tells me that when things are quiet, he can tell 
>>> where things are, and he also told me that the cergent was unable to 
>>> get all the channels in to his cochlea, so that might have something 
>>> to do with how well he is able to do.  I also got to talk to some 
>>> one at the ab event that I went to last June, who told me her 
>>> incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a sudden with 
>>> out warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her ci, and
 the audi told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her processor
on the music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod.  So, she did
that, and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually cries, but she
said that when she heard music that she use to listen to before she went
deaf, she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to listening to speech,
so she got this children's story book, and the tape that went with it, and
she said that for about two weeks, everything just sound like mo, mo, moa
momo, until one day, she turned it on, and she heard, this is the story of
snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then everything after that was just
jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape and tried it again, this time, she
heard a little more, and so that's what she did to get her through that,
eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she decided to try the phone, so
she decided to call her x husband's office, because she new that no one was
ever there, and that there  would be an answering machine, well, she found
out later, that she called it 17 times, before she was able to understand
every word.  Now, here's the most magical part.  Then, she decided to call
her daughter, now, her daughter had never heard her speak before, so get
ready for this one.  So she called her daughter, and when her daughter said
hello, her mom said, Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra
wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom repeat everything Tarra
said to make sure that it was really real, and when they got off the phone,
Tarra passed out.  Now, is that somethen or what?  This lady, deb, also told
me that there are two different types of implants, there is the advanced
bionics, and just the regular one, don't know what that one is called, but
with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound window, where as with the regular
one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for these implants, so she has implants
for both kinds, she said that when she listened  to music with the regular
one, she could not hear the soft sounds period, they simply didn't exist,
but with the ab one, she could hear everything.  She al so said, that the
difference in the two implants, is that the regular one has only one
electrode, and that serves the power source and channel for it, so it sounds
like it only has one channel. Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16
channels, but you have to make sure that the clenic you go to is able to do
the advanced bionics, as some only do the other one, because the ab is more
complecated.  I've also ben told I would not be able to follow music that
I've never heard before by the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was
telling me that she's able to listen to, and follow songs she's never heard
before.  I guess what it all comes down to, is how well the brain is able to
adapt, and how much work, time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, have
any of you on this list that have implants, are you able to tell the
difference between purpendicular, and parallel traffic?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Catherine Miller
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
>>> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>> 
>>> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first 
>>> one, and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my 
>>> second one. Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to 
>>> see if you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days 
>>> is so minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done 
>>> every day in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus 
>>> surgical instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear 
>>> implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate 
>>> for sure!  Cathy Miller
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Tue Jan 21 22:24:44 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (Gene Richburg)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 16:24:44 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
In-Reply-To: <AC7F3D1D-740E-4CD9-8BC0-4DD012C9C170@gmail.com>
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Hi Marsha, oh yeah, I found that out when I went to the ap this morning, my 
mom put the confirmation number into the keyosk at the ticket counter, and 
it said the flight was canceled do to an intisipated snow storm that was 
suppose to blow in, and it looks like it did, so the hk people said that 
Thursday would be a better day, so I think that's what I'm gonna do, though 
the person at dars isn't very bright, so my mom's on the phone with her to 
try to get things straightend out cause she left off the first part of the 
schedule, the part when I leave Austin.  Well my mom will not be coming with 
me after all cause she's gotta work this weekend to make up for what she had 
to miss, but Molly said that she might be able to come up for a visit in the 
spring.

Gene
-----Original Message----- 
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:38 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC

Gene,
I am assuming because of the weather, you won't be arriving today? Or 
atleast I hope not today. If you didn't know, there is a huge snow storm, 
impacting much of the east coast right now, expecting to get about 12 inches 
of snow. Hope your well in sunny warm Texas still...

Marsha drenth
Sent with my IPhone

> On Jan 19, 2014, at 6:20 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Marsha, yes, you will, and I've been cleaning some of my old lp's and 
> recording them in to the computer so that I can bring them with me to 
> finish the process of getting the pops, scratches, and other noise out of 
> them after I get there so I'll have something to do if I get bord, and 
> offer them to any one who wants a copy.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:41 AM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
>
> Gene, that is great. I guess we will see you in a couple of days.
>
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
>
>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:46 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm gonna 
>> do the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do that, so 
>> yes, I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there around 4:05 
>> pm, now, I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom is coming as 
>> well for a tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so that she 
>> could see the center, and partisipate in some of my classes to see what 
>> I'll be learning there.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>
>> Gene,
>> Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going 
>> to be coming to HK this coming week?
>>
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an 
>>> implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch 
>>> with one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he 
>>> really likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because 
>>> he's actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and 
>>> mixers, the kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with 
>>> ha's.  He told me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, 
>>> as time went on, it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that 
>>> when things are quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told me 
>>> that the cergent was unable to get all the channels in to his cochlea, 
>>> so that might have something to do with how well he is able to do.  I 
>>> also got to talk to some one at the ab event that I went to last June, 
>>> who told me her incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a 
>>> sudden with out warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her 
>>> ci, and the audi told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her 
>>> processor on the music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod. 
>>> So, she did that, and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually 
>>> cries, but she said that when she heard music that she use to listen to 
>>> before she went deaf, she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to 
>>> listening to speech, so she got this children's story book, and the tape 
>>> that went with it, and she said that for about two weeks, everything 
>>> just sound like mo, mo, moa momo, until one day, she turned it on, and 
>>> she heard, this is the story of snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then 
>>> everything after that was just jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape 
>>> and tried it again, this time, she heard a little more, and so that's 
>>> what she did to get her through that, eventually she learned how to 
>>> listen. Then, she decided to try the phone, so she decided to call her x 
>>> husband's office, because she new that no one was ever there, and that 
>>> there would be an answering machine, well, she found out later, that she 
>>> called it 17 times, before she was able to understand every word.  Now, 
>>> here's the most magical part.  Then, she decided to call her daughter, 
>>> now, her daughter had never heard her speak before, so get ready for 
>>> this one.  So she called her daughter, and when her daughter said hello, 
>>> her mom said, Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra 
>>> wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom repeat everything 
>>> Tarra said to make sure that it was really real, and when they got off 
>>> the phone, Tarra passed out.  Now, is that somethen or what?  This lady, 
>>> deb, also told me that there are two different types of implants, there 
>>> is the advanced bionics, and just the regular one, don't know what that 
>>> one is called, but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound window, where 
>>> as with the regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for these 
>>> implants, so she has implants for both kinds, she said that when she 
>>> listened to music with the regular one, she could not hear the soft 
>>> sounds period, they simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could 
>>> hear everything.  She al so said, that the difference in the two 
>>> implants, is that the regular one has only one electrode, and that 
>>> serves the power source and channel for it, so it sounds like it only 
>>> has one channel. Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, 
>>> but you have to make sure that the clenic you go to is able to do the 
>>> advanced bionics, as some only do the other one, because the ab is more 
>>> complecated.  I've also ben told I would not be able to follow music 
>>> that I've never heard before by the audiologist that tested me, but Deb 
>>> was telling me that she's able to listen to, and follow songs she's 
>>> never heard before.  I guess what it all comes down to, is how well the 
>>> brain is able to adapt, and how much work, time, and energy a person 
>>> puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this list that have implants, are 
>>> you able to tell the difference between purpendicular, and parallel 
>>> traffic?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Catherine Miller
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
>>> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>>
>>> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, 
>>> and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second 
>>> one. Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if 
>>> you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so 
>>> minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day 
>>> in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical 
>>> instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not 
>>> for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nfb-db mailing list
>>> nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org
>>>
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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Tue Jan 21 22:26:45 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (Gene Richburg)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 16:26:45 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] CI Success Determinants
In-Reply-To: <32FADCFE-9CDD-47F2-B86D-6D4CDBC47779@gmail.com>
References: <32FADCFE-9CDD-47F2-B86D-6D4CDBC47779@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AFAA659710314D3D931D658B7A0A57AE@genePC>

Hi, which implant has the 22 electrodes?  The best one I new of was the 
advanced bionics, it only has 16.
Thanks

-----Original Message----- 
From: Catherine Miller
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:32 PM
To: Cherifields at aol.com ; nfb-db at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nfb-db] CI Success Determinants

Hmm.  Katy and Tracy relying on sign language interpreters after 
implantation?  I wish I could rely on sign language too, in addition to 
having my hearing.  I do have a few questions.  How long ago did they 
receive their implants?  What is their native language mode, sign or oral? 
One list member said she or someone else had an implant with only one 
electrode.  I heave 22 electrodes on each side.  Also, is Katy's and Tracy's 
vision stable?  If they can see enough to rely on sign language, that is 
just fine.  If their vision gets worse, they will make the decision to 
return to the audi for more adjustments to the software, i.e., volume, etc. 
If they have a current generation sound processor, they will be able to make 
the switch when they need to.

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From pawpower4me at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 23:10:44 2014
From: pawpower4me at gmail.com (The Pawpower Pack)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:10:44 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] CI Success Determinants
In-Reply-To: <AFAA659710314D3D931D658B7A0A57AE@genePC>
References: <32FADCFE-9CDD-47F2-B86D-6D4CDBC47779@gmail.com>
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Honestly, these kinds of conversations are what turn me totally off about getting a CI, or at least it's one reason.
Please keep in mind, these are people's bodies you are discussing.  People have the right to do what they please with their own bodies, and if someone gets a CI, which gives them the ability to hear environmental noises only, and they still use interpreters, it's really nobody's business but their's. Same if someone gets a CI and can hear speech but still prefers an interpreter.  It's their choice, and their comfort level.    I believe that messages are going back and forth about members of this list, and if it were me being talked about in this way, it would make me very angry and uncomfortable.  
I have 2 good friends with CI's, they both, to some degree use ASL interpreters.  Sometimes they wear the CI, sometimes, not.  Nobody has the right to judge another's choices was it relates to someone's body or their request for accomidations. 
Rox

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On Jan 21, 2014, at 4:26 PM, "Gene Richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Hi, which implant has the 22 electrodes?  The best one I new of was the advanced bionics, it only has 16.
> Thanks
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Miller
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:32 PM
> To: Cherifields at aol.com ; nfb-db at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nfb-db] CI Success Determinants
> 
> Hmm.  Katy and Tracy relying on sign language interpreters after implantation?  I wish I could rely on sign language too, in addition to having my hearing.  I do have a few questions.  How long ago did they receive their implants?  What is their native language mode, sign or oral? One list member said she or someone else had an implant with only one electrode.  I heave 22 electrodes on each side.  Also, is Katy's and Tracy's vision stable?  If they can see enough to rely on sign language, that is just fine.  If their vision gets worse, they will make the decision to return to the audi for more adjustments to the software, i.e., volume, etc. If they have a current generation sound processor, they will be able to make the switch when they need to.
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 21:53:20 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:53:20 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
In-Reply-To: <49B01399926C48668CF22333AB6DB859@genePC>
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Gene,
Too bad your mom can't come with you. But you will be well taken care of without her. 
Hopefully you will get here tomorrow. I would say bring as much warm clothing as you possibly can, its extremely cold up here. Not to mention the 10 inches of snow on the ground. 


Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, "Gene Richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Marsha, oh yeah, I found that out when I went to the ap this morning, my mom put the confirmation number into the keyosk at the ticket counter, and it said the flight was canceled do to an intisipated snow storm that was suppose to blow in, and it looks like it did, so the hk people said that Thursday would be a better day, so I think that's what I'm gonna do, though the person at dars isn't very bright, so my mom's on the phone with her to try to get things straightend out cause she left off the first part of the schedule, the part when I leave Austin.  Well my mom will not be coming with me after all cause she's gotta work this weekend to make up for what she had to miss, but Molly said that she might be able to come up for a visit in the spring.
> 
> Gene
> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:38 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
> 
> Gene,
> I am assuming because of the weather, you won't be arriving today? Or atleast I hope not today. If you didn't know, there is a huge snow storm, impacting much of the east coast right now, expecting to get about 12 inches of snow. Hope your well in sunny warm Texas still...
> 
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2014, at 6:20 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marsha, yes, you will, and I've been cleaning some of my old lp's and recording them in to the computer so that I can bring them with me to finish the process of getting the pops, scratches, and other noise out of them after I get there so I'll have something to do if I get bord, and offer them to any one who wants a copy.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:41 AM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
>> 
>> Gene, that is great. I guess we will see you in a couple of days.
>> 
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:46 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm gonna do the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do that, so yes, I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there around 4:05 pm, now, I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom is coming as well for a tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so that she could see the center, and partisipate in some of my classes to see what I'll be learning there.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>> 
>>> Gene,
>>> Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going to be coming to HK this coming week?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch with one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he really likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because he's actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and mixers, the kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with ha's.  He told me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, as time went on, it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that when things are quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told me that the cergent was unable to get all the channels in to his cochlea, so that might have something to do with how well he is able to do.  I also got to talk to some one at the ab event that I went to last June, who told me her incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a sudden with out warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her ci, and the audi told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her processor on the music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod. So, she did that, and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually cries, but she said that when she heard music that she use to listen to before she went deaf, she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to listening to speech, so she got this children's story book, and the tape that went with it, and she said that for about two weeks, everything just sound like mo, mo, moa momo, until one day, she turned it on, and she heard, this is the story of snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then everything after that was just jumbled again.  So, she rewound the tape and tried it again, this time, she heard a little more, and so that's what she did to get her through that, eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she decided to try the phone, so she decided to call her x husband's office, because she new that no one was ever there, and that there would be an answering machine, well, she found out later, that she called it 17 times, before she was able to understand every word.  Now, here's the most magical part.  Then, she decided to call her daughter, now, her daughter had never heard her speak before, so get ready for this one.  So she called her daughter, and when her daughter said hello, her mom said, Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom repeat everything Tarra said to make sure that it was really real, and when they got off the phone, Tarra passed out.  Now, is that somethen or what?  This lady, deb, also told me that there are two different types of implants, there is the advanced bionics, and just the regular one, don't know what that one is called, but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound window, where as with the regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for these implants, so she has implants for both kinds, she said that when she listened to music with the regular one, she could not hear the soft sounds period, they simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could hear everything.  She al so said, that the difference in the two implants, is that the regular one has only one electrode, and that serves the power source and channel for it, so it sounds like it only has one channel. Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have to make sure that the clenic you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, as some only do the other one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've also ben told I would not be able to follow music that I've never heard before by the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was telling me that she's able to listen to, and follow songs she's never heard before.  I guess what it all comes down to, is how well the brain is able to adapt, and how much work, time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this list that have implants, are you able to tell the difference between purpendicular, and parallel traffic?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Catherine Miller
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
>>>> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>>> 
>>>> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one. Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
>>>> 
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From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jan 22 22:09:10 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (Gene Richburg)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:09:10 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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Yeah, I'm scheduled to try coming again tomorrow if things still look good 
enough by then.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:53 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC

Gene,
Too bad your mom can't come with you. But you will be well taken care of 
without her.
Hopefully you will get here tomorrow. I would say bring as much warm 
clothing as you possibly can, its extremely cold up here. Not to mention the 
10 inches of snow on the ground.


Marsha drenth
Sent with my IPhone

> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, "Gene Richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Marsha, oh yeah, I found that out when I went to the ap this morning, 
> my mom put the confirmation number into the keyosk at the ticket counter, 
> and it said the flight was canceled do to an intisipated snow storm that 
> was suppose to blow in, and it looks like it did, so the hk people said 
> that Thursday would be a better day, so I think that's what I'm gonna do, 
> though the person at dars isn't very bright, so my mom's on the phone with 
> her to try to get things straightend out cause she left off the first part 
> of the schedule, the part when I leave Austin.  Well my mom will not be 
> coming with me after all cause she's gotta work this weekend to make up 
> for what she had to miss, but Molly said that she might be able to come up 
> for a visit in the spring.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:38 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
>
> Gene,
> I am assuming because of the weather, you won't be arriving today? Or 
> atleast I hope not today. If you didn't know, there is a huge snow storm, 
> impacting much of the east coast right now, expecting to get about 12 
> inches of snow. Hope your well in sunny warm Texas still...
>
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
>
>> On Jan 19, 2014, at 6:20 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marsha, yes, you will, and I've been cleaning some of my old lp's and 
>> recording them in to the computer so that I can bring them with me to 
>> finish the process of getting the pops, scratches, and other noise out of 
>> them after I get there so I'll have something to do if I get bord, and 
>> offer them to any one who wants a copy.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:41 AM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
>>
>> Gene, that is great. I guess we will see you in a couple of days.
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:46 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm 
>>> gonna do the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do 
>>> that, so yes, I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there 
>>> around 4:05 pm, now, I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom 
>>> is coming as well for a tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so 
>>> that she could see the center, and partisipate in some of my classes to 
>>> see what I'll be learning there.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>>
>>> Gene,
>>> Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going 
>>> to be coming to HK this coming week?
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an 
>>>> implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch 
>>>> with one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he 
>>>> really likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because 
>>>> he's actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and 
>>>> mixers, the kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with 
>>>> ha's.  He told me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, 
>>>> as time went on, it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that 
>>>> when things are quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told 
>>>> me that the cergent was unable to get all the channels in to his 
>>>> cochlea, so that might have something to do with how well he is able to 
>>>> do.  I also got to talk to some one at the ab event that I went to last 
>>>> June, who told me her incredible story of how she went totally deaf all 
>>>> of a sudden with out warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she 
>>>> got her ci, and the audi told her that he had a meeting to go to, and 
>>>> to set her processor on the music program, so she could try to listen 
>>>> to her iPod. So, she did that, and she said she isn't the kind of 
>>>> person that usually cries, but she said that when she heard music that 
>>>> she use to listen to before she went deaf, she just broke down.  Then 
>>>> she tried learning to listening to speech, so she got this children's 
>>>> story book, and the tape that went with it, and she said that for about 
>>>> two weeks, everything just sound like mo, mo, moa momo, until one day, 
>>>> she turned it on, and she heard, this is the story of snow white, and 
>>>> the 7 dwarfs, and then everything after that was just jumbled again. 
>>>> So, she rewound the tape and tried it again, this time, she heard a 
>>>> little more, and so that's what she did to get her through that, 
>>>> eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she decided to try the 
>>>> phone, so she decided to call her x husband's office, because she new 
>>>> that no one was ever there, and that there would be an answering 
>>>> machine, well, she found out later, that she called it 17 times, before 
>>>> she was able to understand every word.  Now, here's the most magical 
>>>> part.  Then, she decided to call her daughter, now, her daughter had 
>>>> never heard her speak before, so get ready for this one.  So she called 
>>>> her daughter, and when her daughter said hello, her mom said, Tarra, 
>>>> this is mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she wasn't 
>>>> dreaming, so she made her mom repeat everything Tarra said to make sure 
>>>> that it was really real, and when they got off the phone, Tarra passed 
>>>> out.  Now, is that somethen or what?  This lady, deb, also told me that 
>>>> there are two different types of implants, there is the advanced 
>>>> bionics, and just the regular one, don't know what that one is called, 
>>>> but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound window, where as with the 
>>>> regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for these implants, so she 
>>>> has implants for both kinds, she said that when she listened to music 
>>>> with the regular one, she could not hear the soft sounds period, they 
>>>> simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could hear everything. 
>>>> She al so said, that the difference in the two implants, is that the 
>>>> regular one has only one electrode, and that serves the power source 
>>>> and channel for it, so it sounds like it only has one channel. Now, the 
>>>> ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have to make sure 
>>>> that the clenic you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, as some 
>>>> only do the other one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've also 
>>>> ben told I would not be able to follow music that I've never heard 
>>>> before by the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was telling me that 
>>>> she's able to listen to, and follow songs she's never heard before.  I 
>>>> guess what it all comes down to, is how well the brain is able to 
>>>> adapt, and how much work, time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, 
>>>> have any of you on this list that have implants, are you able to tell 
>>>> the difference between purpendicular, and parallel traffic?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Catherine Miller
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
>>>> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>>>
>>>> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, 
>>>> and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second 
>>>> one. Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if 
>>>> you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so 
>>>> minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day 
>>>> in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical 
>>>> instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not 
>>>> for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy 
>>>> Miller
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nfb-db mailing list
>>>> nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org
>>>>
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From palhub at optonline.net  Wed Jan 22 22:16:57 2014
From: palhub at optonline.net (Trish Hubschman)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:16:57 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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Cording to my computer, its 14  degrees on LI right now. That's cold.

Trish




From gene5402 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jan 22 22:52:10 2014
From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (Gene Richburg)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:52:10 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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Yeah, you could put some frozen dinners out there and wouldn't have to 
worrie about them LOL!

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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:16 PM
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Cording to my computer, its 14  degrees on LI right now. That's cold.

Trish


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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 23:53:44 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 18:53:44 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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I don't think there is anymore snow like the amount we got. So I think you will be okay. 

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:09 PM, "Gene Richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I'm scheduled to try coming again tomorrow if things still look good enough by then.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:53 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
> 
> Gene,
> Too bad your mom can't come with you. But you will be well taken care of without her.
> Hopefully you will get here tomorrow. I would say bring as much warm clothing as you possibly can, its extremely cold up here. Not to mention the 10 inches of snow on the ground.
> 
> 
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, "Gene Richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marsha, oh yeah, I found that out when I went to the ap this morning, my mom put the confirmation number into the keyosk at the ticket counter, and it said the flight was canceled do to an intisipated snow storm that was suppose to blow in, and it looks like it did, so the hk people said that Thursday would be a better day, so I think that's what I'm gonna do, though the person at dars isn't very bright, so my mom's on the phone with her to try to get things straightend out cause she left off the first part of the schedule, the part when I leave Austin.  Well my mom will not be coming with me after all cause she's gotta work this weekend to make up for what she had to miss, but Molly said that she might be able to come up for a visit in the spring.
>> 
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:38 PM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
>> 
>> Gene,
>> I am assuming because of the weather, you won't be arriving today? Or atleast I hope not today. If you didn't know, there is a huge snow storm, impacting much of the east coast right now, expecting to get about 12 inches of snow. Hope your well in sunny warm Texas still...
>> 
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2014, at 6:20 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Marsha, yes, you will, and I've been cleaning some of my old lp's and recording them in to the computer so that I can bring them with me to finish the process of getting the pops, scratches, and other noise out of them after I get there so I'll have something to do if I get bord, and offer them to any one who wants a copy.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:41 AM
>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
>>> 
>>> Gene, that is great. I guess we will see you in a couple of days.
>>> 
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:46 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Marsha, well I think everything is worked out with section8, I'm gonna do the recertification by mail, my cw's supervisor said I can do that, so yes, I am coming on the 21st, I think I'll be getting there around 4:05 pm, now, I don't know if that's est or central time.  My mom is coming as well for a tour, dars paid for a round trip plane ticket so that she could see the center, and partisipate in some of my classes to see what I'll be learning there.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
>>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>>> 
>>>> Gene,
>>>> Did everything get worked out with your section 8 housing? Are you going to be coming to HK this coming week?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:49 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Catherin, and every one else, I have been looking in to getting an implant my self.  The advanced bionics people have gotten me in touch with one person who is pretty much blind, and he told me to that he really likes his ci.  He really likes the clear voice program because he's actually able to hear people over things such as blenders and mixers, the kind of thing that would have been almost impossible with ha's.  He told me, that at first, things sounded pretty robotic, then, as time went on, it just got better, and better.  So he tells me that when things are quiet, he can tell where things are, and he also told me that the cergent was unable to get all the channels in to his cochlea, so that might have something to do with how well he is able to do.  I also got to talk to some one at the ab event that I went to last June, who told me her incredible story of how she went totally deaf all of a sudden with out warning when she was 17.  She's now 61, and she got her ci, and the audi told her that he had a meeting to go to, and to set her processor on the music program, so she could try to listen to her iPod. So, she did that, and she said she isn't the kind of person that usually cries, but she said that when she heard music that she use to listen to before she went deaf, she just broke down.  Then she tried learning to listening to speech, so she got this children's story book, and the tape that went with it, and she said that for about two weeks, everything just sound like mo, mo, moa momo, until one day, she turned it on, and she heard, this is the story of snow white, and the 7 dwarfs, and then everything after that was just jumbled again. So, she rewound the tape and tried it again, this time, she heard a little more, and so that's what she did to get her through that, eventually she learned how to listen. Then, she decided to try the phone, so she decided to call her x husband's office, because she new that no one was ever there, and that there would be an answering machine, well, she found out later, that she called it 17 times, before she was able to understand every word.  Now, here's the most magical part.  Then, she decided to call her daughter, now, her daughter had never heard her speak before, so get ready for this one.  So she called her daughter, and when her daughter said hello, her mom said, Tarra, this is mom, and Tarra said, a, mom?  So, Tarra wasn't sure she wasn't dreaming, so she made her mom repeat everything Tarra said to make sure that it was really real, and when they got off the phone, Tarra passed out.  Now, is that somethen or what?  This lady, deb, also told me that there are two different types of implants, there is the advanced bionics, and just the regular one, don't know what that one is called, but with the ab one, you get an 85 db sound window, where as with the regular one only 45.  She's also a ginny pig for these implants, so she has implants for both kinds, she said that when she listened to music with the regular one, she could not hear the soft sounds period, they simply didn't exist, but with the ab one, she could hear everything. She al so said, that the difference in the two implants, is that the regular one has only one electrode, and that serves the power source and channel for it, so it sounds like it only has one channel. Now, the ab one, has 16 electrodes, and 16 channels, but you have to make sure that the clenic you go to is able to do the advanced bionics, as some only do the other one, because the ab is more complecated.  I've also ben told I would not be able to follow music that I've never heard before by the audiologist that tested me, but Deb was telling me that she's able to listen to, and follow songs she's never heard before.  I guess what it all comes down to, is how well the brain is able to adapt, and how much work, time, and energy a person puts in to it.  So, have any of you on this list that have implants, are you able to tell the difference between purpendicular, and parallel traffic?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Catherine Miller
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:43 AM
>>>>> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nfb-db] Frustrated with svcreenreaders
>>>>> 
>>>>> April, have you considered cochlear implantation?  I got my first one, and it changed my life for the better.  A year later I got my second one. Blind people get priority on the waiting list.  Check to see if you're eligible; you've got nothing to lose.  Risk these days is so minimized compared to how it was before.  They're being done every day in amazing numbers, and surgeons are more skillful; plus surgical instruments are so much more developed.  Cochlear implantation is not for everyone; but non-ASL DB need to investigate for sure!  Cathy Miller
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 23:54:53 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 18:54:53 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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Trish, yes it cold, but it has also been colder here too. That is what winter is all about!

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Trish Hubschman <palhub at optonline.net> wrote:
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> Cording to my computer, its 14  degrees on LI right now. That's cold.
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From palhub at optonline.net  Thu Jan 23 00:11:02 2014
From: palhub at optonline.net (Trish Hubschman)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:11:02 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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Phooey!   Not my favorite season.

Trish

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC

Trish, yes it cold, but it has also been colder here too. That is what
winter is all about!

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Trish Hubschman <palhub at optonline.net> wrote:
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> Cording to my computer, its 14  degrees on LI right now. That's cold.
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From palhub at optonline.net  Thu Jan 23 00:12:08 2014
From: palhub at optonline.net (Trish Hubschman)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:12:08 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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So true!

Trish

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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:52 PM
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Yeah, you could put some frozen dinners out there and wouldn't have to
worrie about them LOL!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:16 PM
To: 'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List'
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Cording to my computer, its 14  degrees on LI right now. That's cold.

Trish


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From Cherifields at aol.com  Thu Jan 23 00:55:41 2014
From: Cherifields at aol.com (Cherifields at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:55:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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I'll send you snow birds some of this Florida sunshine. LOL
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2014 4:12:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
palhub at optonline.net writes:

So  true!

Trish

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Sent:  Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:52 PM
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Yeah, you could put some  frozen dinners out there and wouldn't have to
worrie about them  LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: Trish Hubschman
Sent:  Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:16 PM
To: 'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing  List'
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC

Cording to my computer,  its 14  degrees on LI right now. That's  cold.

Trish


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From Cherifields at aol.com  Thu Jan 23 23:10:40 2014
From: Cherifields at aol.com (Cherifields at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:10:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nfb-db] coming to HKNC
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Just think heat and you will warm up.  LOL Cheri
 
 
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Cording  to my computer, its 14  degrees on LI right now. That's  cold.

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From kd0iko at icloud.com  Wed Jan 29 01:50:17 2014
From: kd0iko at icloud.com (maurice mines)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:50:17 -0800
Subject: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
Message-ID: <1A3E10B3-8B70-43BA-93D7-EE3AD5A69824@icloud.com>

Dear list members, I have a question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated ESL course, and a question has come up amongst the interpreters and myself. How much personal space between the interpreter and myself is appropriate? The reason why this is coming up is because I am of course new at learning ASL, but I?m also used to keeping an area of personal space around myself. Is there any clear dues, and or don?ts? In regards to tactile sign language? Since we?re now learning about gender sign and some of those signs if one is trying to actually feel what it?s been signed certainly invades what becomes it or once personal space, are there any good suggestions?

In a completely separate issue is due most of you prefer finger spelling? Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us certainly don?t see it okay to make it? Sign as opposed to raising one?s eyebrows and moving one had the probably is no good way for us to see that? Since this is probably not the first email that I?m going to spend with questions about learning ASL would it be advisable to take this discussion off list?

While in the process of writing this I thought of one more question, I believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are there any do?s and don?ts regarding depth lines than this all?

My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act? When trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information, should we be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from the way I?m beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution does for oneself what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the country? Also has Helen Keller done anything in this area? And last but certainly not least asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL study materials? Don?t want to include my official signature file in the

Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.

I?d like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and help me out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?


From kd5cbl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 05:14:10 2014
From: kd5cbl at gmail.com (heather albright)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:14:10 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
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Well, I took ASL and had to drop it for personal reasons!  But the space is 
so your sign interpreters are close enough to communicate with you!  It is 
harder the further away you are!  I did not get much help in my classes, 
more help was from this list, thank you!  Thinker spelling is not ASL so you 
will have to learn the signs eventually in order to speak to someone who is 
using ASL.  There is no Braille or audio materials that one can use to learn 
ASL, unless someone has come up with them in the past 3 months!  I gather 
you cant speak in the class to ask what that person signed and you have to 
do it outside of class!  The braille book store has a list of everyday signs 
but get this, it is not in braille; the braille book store not having 
something in braille!  And the ASL books in braille from the NLS did nothing 
to teach you because, the print pages with the signs were "omitted" from the 
braille pages.  So why braille a book on learning ASL signs if you are not 
to going to tell you how to make the signs.  Also, Learning Ally's readers 
chose not to enlighten us "blind" readers on how to make the signs , even 
though the book said "a guide to learning ASL"  OR "THE DICTIONARY TO ASL" 
ETC.  So half of the book is omitted!  HKC as far as I know does not have 
braille materials outside of the center and I don't know about within the 
center!  I think perkins or Hadley has on sight classes but, the rest of the 
blind don't always live near these places.  I find, just my oppinion, the 
regular deaf population does not have pacients enough to sit to help someone 
who cant see the signs in class.  Not all are like this but, there were 20 
students taken ASL here in austin and only 1 is still taking it and they are 
failing for the second time because there is no support!  I would try to 
make sure you have a good support system at your school that, can work with 
you in the class, in the labs and is willing to work with you in the deaf 
community!  I would also recommend you to take the 3 times a week instead of 
the twice or once a week! Heather 
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From aprilbrownshade at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 12:03:45 2014
From: aprilbrownshade at gmail.com (April Brown)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:03:45 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 60, Issue 15
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Hi Maurice Mines,

     I know what you mean about personal space.  I don't like anyone within reaching distance of me. I'd like to know how others can stand to be touched by people.

     I tried to learn ASL in college, and failed.  I couldn't see well enough then. That was two decades ago.   

     

      

April Brown

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>   1. A question about learning ASL? (maurice mines)
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:50:17 -0800
> From: maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com>
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> Dear list members, I have a question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated ESL course, and a question has come up amongst the interpreters and myself. How much personal space between the interpreter and myself is appropriate? The reason why this is coming up is because I am of course new at learning ASL, but I?m also used to keeping an area of personal space around myself. Is there any clear dues, and or don?ts? In regards to tactile sign language? Since we?re now learning about gender sign and some of those signs if one is trying to actually feel what it?s been signed certainly invades what becomes it or once personal space, are there any good suggestions?
> 
> In a completely separate issue is due most of you prefer finger spelling? Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us certainly don?t see it okay to make it? Sign as opposed to raising one?s eyebrows and moving one had the probably is no good way for us to see that? Since this is probably not the first email that I?m going to spend with questions about learning ASL would it be advisable to take this discussion off list?
> 
> While in the process of writing this I thought of one more question, I believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are there any do?s and don?ts regarding depth lines than this all?
> 
> My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act? When trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information, should we be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from the way I?m beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution does for oneself what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the country? Also has Helen Keller done anything in this area? And last but certainly not least asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL study materials? Don?t want to include my official signature file in the
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.
> 
> I?d like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and help me out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?
> 
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> From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
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> Well, I took ASL and had to drop it for personal reasons!  But the space is 
> so your sign interpreters are close enough to communicate with you!  It is 
> harder the further away you are!  I did not get much help in my classes, 
> more help was from this list, thank you!  Thinker spelling is not ASL so you 
> will have to learn the signs eventually in order to speak to someone who is 
> using ASL.  There is no Braille or audio materials that one can use to learn 
> ASL, unless someone has come up with them in the past 3 months!  I gather 
> you cant speak in the class to ask what that person signed and you have to 
> do it outside of class!  The braille book store has a list of everyday signs 
> but get this, it is not in braille; the braille book store not having 
> something in braille!  And the ASL books in braille from the NLS did nothing 
> to teach you because, the print pages with the signs were "omitted" from the 
> braille pages.  So why braille a book on learning ASL signs if you are not 
> to going to tell you how to make the signs.  Also, Learning Ally's readers 
> chose not to enlighten us "blind" readers on how to make the signs , even 
> though the book said "a guide to learning ASL"  OR "THE DICTIONARY TO ASL" 
> ETC.  So half of the book is omitted!  HKC as far as I know does not have 
> braille materials outside of the center and I don't know about within the 
> center!  I think perkins or Hadley has on sight classes but, the rest of the 
> blind don't always live near these places.  I find, just my oppinion, the 
> regular deaf population does not have pacients enough to sit to help someone 
> who cant see the signs in class.  Not all are like this but, there were 20 
> students taken ASL here in austin and only 1 is still taking it and they are 
> failing for the second time because there is no support!  I would try to 
> make sure you have a good support system at your school that, can work with 
> you in the class, in the labs and is willing to work with you in the deaf 
> community!  I would also recommend you to take the 3 times a week instead of 
> the twice or once a week! Heather 
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 14:09:13 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:09:13 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
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Hi,
As a deafblind person, I am not sure that there are do and don't for distance. If I am recieving sign from another perrson, it is usually more comfortable to be closer, so that neither of our arms or hands are having to reach or to be over extended. There are do and don't about getting a deafblind persons attention. But what this is for every person is different. so to answer your first question, I would say as close as you feel comfortable. 

As far as your second question. No most deaf, deafblind persons who use sign, do not perfer to finger spell. That method is called the Rochester method. Most deaf persons do not have the patiences to have a person finger spell. With some they are okay with finger spelling. There is ASL, English Signed language, and there is the finger spelling method. I would say learning the ASL first. ASL is very visual, so in the past has not given a deafblin dperson the visual information, deafblind people miss out on. A new method is now being used, Haptics or Protactual. The little I know, and the little I am learning, is that these two methods use different gestors on the arm, leg, and back to give visual information. Like for example, if your in a meeting, someone nods there head, or smiles, the person who is interperting for you, would give you that clue. Would give you that clue in a way that would not disturb the meeting or other things going on in the meeting. I recently had a meeting at HKNC, and I used this, I was told things I never knew about the people, what they were doing, in the room, that I had never known, because I could never hear them. I would encourage your terps to look into learning PT or Haptics for the deafblind.

No HKNC does not have any materials for learning sign, in or out of the center. My husband I who are learning sign, had began a database of describing the signs. This is sort of on hold, as I am now a student at HKNC. I am learning so many signs a day, it would be impossible for me to keep up. 

I would say the best practice to learning ASL is, to use it. All of the time. 

I personally think that your questions about learning ASL on this list are appropiate. I don't claim to know it all, just can speak from experience in my own journey. 

If I left out any answers to your questions, please don't hesitate to let us know... 

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:50 PM, maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members, I have a question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated ESL course, and a question has come up amongst the interpreters and myself. How much personal space between the interpreter and myself is appropriate? The reason why this is coming up is because I am of course new at learning ASL, but I?m also used to keeping an area of personal space around myself. Is there any clear dues, and or don?ts? In regards to tactile sign language? Since we?re now learning about gender sign and some of those signs if one is trying to actually feel what it?s been signed certainly invades what becomes it or once personal space, are there any good suggestions?
> 
> In a completely separate issue is due most of you prefer finger spelling? Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us certainly don?t see it okay to make it? Sign as opposed to raising one?s eyebrows and moving one had the probably is no good way for us to see that? Since this is probably not the first email that I?m going to spend with questions about learning ASL would it be advisable to take this discussion off list?
> 
> While in the process of writing this I thought of one more question, I believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are there any do?s and don?ts regarding depth lines than this all?
> 
> My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act? When trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information, should we be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from the way I?m beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution does for oneself what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the country? Also has Helen Keller done anything in this area? And last but certainly not least asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL study materials? Don?t want to include my official signature file in the
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.
> 
> I?d like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and help me out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 14:19:28 2014
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:19:28 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 60, Issue 15
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Personally for a deafblind person, is like being in a soundless, dark place. Touch is very important for a deafblind person. Again I can only speak from experience here, not expert, is that I have no vision at all, with limited, very little hearing, I want people to touch me. Not in werid ways, but on my arm, hand, shoulder, leg; so that I know they are there. Its that touch that connects me to the world,, gives me information. Without that the information you get by touch, your in a void. In order to learn tactual sign you should be touch each other hands. That is the only way your going to know how to form the signs, especially if you can't see to know how to form the signs. 

Marsha drenth  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Jan 29, 2014, at 7:03 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Maurice Mines,
> 
>     I know what you mean about personal space.  I don't like anyone within reaching distance of me. I'd like to know how others can stand to be touched by people.
> 
>     I tried to learn ASL in college, and failed.  I couldn't see well enough then. That was two decades ago.   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> April Brown
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>> Dear list members, I have a question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated ESL course, and a question has come up amongst the interpreters and myself. How much personal space between the interpreter and myself is appropriate? The reason why this is coming up is because I am of course new at learning ASL, but I?m also used to keeping an area of personal space around myself. Is there any clear dues, and or don?ts? In regards to tactile sign language? Since we?re now learning about gender sign and some of those signs if one is trying to actually feel what it?s been signed certainly invades what becomes it or once personal space, are there any good suggestions?
>> 
>> In a completely separate issue is due most of you prefer finger spelling? Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us certainly don?t see it okay to make it? Sign as opposed to raising one?s eyebrows and moving one had the probably is no good way for us to see that? Since this is probably not the first email that I?m going to spend with questions about learning ASL would it be advisable to take this discussion off list?
>> 
>> While in the process of writing this I thought of one more question, I believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are there any do?s and don?ts regarding depth lines than this all?
>> 
>> My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act? When trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information, should we be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from the way I?m beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution does for oneself what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the country? Also has Helen Keller done anything in this area? And last but certainly not least asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL study materials? Don?t want to include my official signature file in the
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.
>> 
>> I?d like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and help me out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:14:10 -0600
>> From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
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>> Well, I took ASL and had to drop it for personal reasons!  But the space is 
>> so your sign interpreters are close enough to communicate with you!  It is 
>> harder the further away you are!  I did not get much help in my classes, 
>> more help was from this list, thank you!  Thinker spelling is not ASL so you 
>> will have to learn the signs eventually in order to speak to someone who is 
>> using ASL.  There is no Braille or audio materials that one can use to learn 
>> ASL, unless someone has come up with them in the past 3 months!  I gather 
>> you cant speak in the class to ask what that person signed and you have to 
>> do it outside of class!  The braille book store has a list of everyday signs 
>> but get this, it is not in braille; the braille book store not having 
>> something in braille!  And the ASL books in braille from the NLS did nothing 
>> to teach you because, the print pages with the signs were "omitted" from the 
>> braille pages.  So why braille a book on learning ASL signs if you are not 
>> to going to tell you how to make the signs.  Also, Learning Ally's readers 
>> chose not to enlighten us "blind" readers on how to make the signs , even 
>> though the book said "a guide to learning ASL"  OR "THE DICTIONARY TO ASL" 
>> ETC.  So half of the book is omitted!  HKC as far as I know does not have 
>> braille materials outside of the center and I don't know about within the 
>> center!  I think perkins or Hadley has on sight classes but, the rest of the 
>> blind don't always live near these places.  I find, just my oppinion, the 
>> regular deaf population does not have pacients enough to sit to help someone 
>> who cant see the signs in class.  Not all are like this but, there were 20 
>> students taken ASL here in austin and only 1 is still taking it and they are 
>> failing for the second time because there is no support!  I would try to 
>> make sure you have a good support system at your school that, can work with 
>> you in the class, in the labs and is willing to work with you in the deaf 
>> community!  I would also recommend you to take the 3 times a week instead of 
>> the twice or once a week! Heather 
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From pawpower4me at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 14:33:52 2014
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I'm going to agree with Marsha here, she did a good job to explain.  
I use protactile with my terps and SSP.  I also use ASL, not fingerspelling although I will use it if that is someone's prefered communication method, that is no problem for me.  
Usually, there is about maybe a foot of distance between me and my terp, maybe. Our knees usually touch, and I use hands, arms, all for communication.  Like Marsha said, touch becomes very important if you cannot see or hear, because it is hou you gather information, communicate, and explore the world.  There is a difference between normal DB touching, and weird touching.  And you will know.  
Rox

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On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally for a deafblind person, is like being in a soundless, dark place. Touch is very important for a deafblind person. Again I can only speak from experience here, not expert, is that I have no vision at all, with limited, very little hearing, I want people to touch me. Not in werid ways, but on my arm, hand, shoulder, leg; so that I know they are there. Its that touch that connects me to the world,, gives me information. Without that the information you get by touch, your in a void. In order to learn tactual sign you should be touch each other hands. That is the only way your going to know how to form the signs, especially if you can't see to know how to form the signs. 
> 
> Marsha drenth  
> Sent with my IPhone 
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 7:03 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Maurice Mines,
>> 
>>    I know what you mean about personal space.  I don't like anyone within reaching distance of me. I'd like to know how others can stand to be touched by people.
>> 
>>    I tried to learn ASL in college, and failed.  I couldn't see well enough then. That was two decades ago.   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> April Brown
>> 
>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>> 
>> 
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>>> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:50:17 -0800
>>> From: maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com>
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>>> Dear list members, I have a question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated ESL course, and a question has come up amongst the interpreters and myself. How much personal space between the interpreter and myself is appropriate? The reason why this is coming up is because I am of course new at learning ASL, but I?m also used to keeping an area of personal space around myself. Is there any clear dues, and or don?ts? In regards to tactile sign language? Since we?re now learning about gender sign and some of those signs if one is trying to actually feel what it?s been signed certainly invades what becomes it or once personal space, are there any good suggestions?
>>> 
>>> In a completely separate issue is due most of you prefer finger spelling? Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us certainly don?t see it okay to make it? Sign as opposed to raising one?s eyebrows and moving one had the probably is no good way for us to see that? Since this is probably not the first email that I?m going to spend with questions about learning ASL would it be advisable to take this discussion off list?
>>> 
>>> While in the process of writing this I thought of one more question, I believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are there any do?s and don?ts regarding depth lines than this all?
>>> 
>>> My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act? When trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information, should we be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from the way I?m beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution does for oneself what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the country? Also has Helen Keller done anything in this area? And last but certainly not least asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL study materials? Don?t want to include my official signature file in the
>>> 
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.
>>> 
>>> I?d like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and help me out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:14:10 -0600
>>> From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
>>> Message-ID: <594C5644C8784E2BBED5126445C04EC6 at supersystem>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>> 
>>> Well, I took ASL and had to drop it for personal reasons!  But the space is 
>>> so your sign interpreters are close enough to communicate with you!  It is 
>>> harder the further away you are!  I did not get much help in my classes, 
>>> more help was from this list, thank you!  Thinker spelling is not ASL so you 
>>> will have to learn the signs eventually in order to speak to someone who is 
>>> using ASL.  There is no Braille or audio materials that one can use to learn 
>>> ASL, unless someone has come up with them in the past 3 months!  I gather 
>>> you cant speak in the class to ask what that person signed and you have to 
>>> do it outside of class!  The braille book store has a list of everyday signs 
>>> but get this, it is not in braille; the braille book store not having 
>>> something in braille!  And the ASL books in braille from the NLS did nothing 
>>> to teach you because, the print pages with the signs were "omitted" from the 
>>> braille pages.  So why braille a book on learning ASL signs if you are not 
>>> to going to tell you how to make the signs.  Also, Learning Ally's readers 
>>> chose not to enlighten us "blind" readers on how to make the signs , even 
>>> though the book said "a guide to learning ASL"  OR "THE DICTIONARY TO ASL" 
>>> ETC.  So half of the book is omitted!  HKC as far as I know does not have 
>>> braille materials outside of the center and I don't know about within the 
>>> center!  I think perkins or Hadley has on sight classes but, the rest of the 
>>> blind don't always live near these places.  I find, just my oppinion, the 
>>> regular deaf population does not have pacients enough to sit to help someone 
>>> who cant see the signs in class.  Not all are like this but, there were 20 
>>> students taken ASL here in austin and only 1 is still taking it and they are 
>>> failing for the second time because there is no support!  I would try to 
>>> make sure you have a good support system at your school that, can work with 
>>> you in the class, in the labs and is willing to work with you in the deaf 
>>> community!  I would also recommend you to take the 3 times a week instead of 
>>> the twice or once a week! Heather 
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From scottdavert at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 18:43:55 2014
From: scottdavert at gmail.com (Scott Davert)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:43:55 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 60, Issue 15
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Hi all.
Well, if you have enough hearing or vision to where you can have the
luxery of having personal space, go for it. However, as hearing and
vision decrease, all you have left is touch and smell. I used to also
not like people being too close to me, but I've grown not only
accustomed to it, but now prefer it. Sometimes, whether it's
comfortable or not, you have to force yourself to start adapting to
your dual sensory loss. Is it easy? No, certainly not. But that's life
I'm afraid. Sure, you can decide not to adapt, but you'll have to
suffer the consequences of having a lack of communication. Even if all
you do is use the manual alphabet, if you can't see far enough to read
it with your eyes, and you can't hear far enough to hear a voice, this
is just what has to be done.

Scott

On 1/29/14, The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm going to agree with Marsha here, she did a good job to explain.
> I use protactile with my terps and SSP.  I also use ASL, not fingerspelling
> although I will use it if that is someone's prefered communication method,
> that is no problem for me.
> Usually, there is about maybe a foot of distance between me and my terp,
> maybe. Our knees usually touch, and I use hands, arms, all for
> communication.  Like Marsha said, touch becomes very important if you cannot
> see or hear, because it is hou you gather information, communicate, and
> explore the world.  There is a difference between normal DB touching, and
> weird touching.  And you will know.
> Rox
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Personally for a deafblind person, is like being in a soundless, dark
>> place. Touch is very important for a deafblind person. Again I can only
>> speak from experience here, not expert, is that I have no vision at all,
>> with limited, very little hearing, I want people to touch me. Not in werid
>> ways, but on my arm, hand, shoulder, leg; so that I know they are there.
>> Its that touch that connects me to the world,, gives me information.
>> Without that the information you get by touch, your in a void. In order to
>> learn tactual sign you should be touch each other hands. That is the only
>> way your going to know how to form the signs, especially if you can't see
>> to know how to form the signs.
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 7:03 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Maurice Mines,
>>>
>>>    I know what you mean about personal space.  I don't like anyone within
>>> reaching distance of me. I'd like to know how others can stand to be
>>> touched by people.
>>>
>>>    I tried to learn ASL in college, and failed.  I couldn't see well
>>> enough then. That was two decades ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> April Brown
>>>
>>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>>>
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>>>> Subject: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
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>>>> Dear list members, I have a question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated
>>>> ESL course, and a question has come up amongst the interpreters and
>>>> myself. How much personal space between the interpreter and myself is
>>>> appropriate? The reason why this is coming up is because I am of course
>>>> new at learning ASL, but I?m also used to keeping an area of personal
>>>> space around myself. Is there any clear dues, and or don?ts? In regards
>>>> to tactile sign language? Since we?re now learning about gender sign and
>>>> some of those signs if one is trying to actually feel what it?s been
>>>> signed certainly invades what becomes it or once personal space, are
>>>> there any good suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> In a completely separate issue is due most of you prefer finger
>>>> spelling? Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us certainly don?t
>>>> see it okay to make it? Sign as opposed to raising one?s eyebrows and
>>>> moving one had the probably is no good way for us to see that? Since
>>>> this is probably not the first email that I?m going to spend with
>>>> questions about learning ASL would it be advisable to take this
>>>> discussion off list?
>>>>
>>>> While in the process of writing this I thought of one more question, I
>>>> believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are there any
>>>> do?s and don?ts regarding depth lines than this all?
>>>>
>>>> My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act? When
>>>> trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and
>>>> proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information,
>>>> should we be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from
>>>> the way I?m beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution
>>>> does for oneself what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the
>>>> country? Also has Helen Keller done anything in this area? And last but
>>>> certainly not least asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL
>>>> study materials? Don?t want to include my official signature file in
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone
>>>> 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.
>>>>
>>>> I?d like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and help
>>>> me out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:14:10 -0600
>>>> From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
>>>> Message-ID: <594C5644C8784E2BBED5126445C04EC6 at supersystem>
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>>>>
>>>> Well, I took ASL and had to drop it for personal reasons!  But the space
>>>> is
>>>> so your sign interpreters are close enough to communicate with you!  It
>>>> is
>>>> harder the further away you are!  I did not get much help in my classes,
>>>>
>>>> more help was from this list, thank you!  Thinker spelling is not ASL so
>>>> you
>>>> will have to learn the signs eventually in order to speak to someone who
>>>> is
>>>> using ASL.  There is no Braille or audio materials that one can use to
>>>> learn
>>>> ASL, unless someone has come up with them in the past 3 months!  I
>>>> gather
>>>> you cant speak in the class to ask what that person signed and you have
>>>> to
>>>> do it outside of class!  The braille book store has a list of everyday
>>>> signs
>>>> but get this, it is not in braille; the braille book store not having
>>>> something in braille!  And the ASL books in braille from the NLS did
>>>> nothing
>>>> to teach you because, the print pages with the signs were "omitted" from
>>>> the
>>>> braille pages.  So why braille a book on learning ASL signs if you are
>>>> not
>>>> to going to tell you how to make the signs.  Also, Learning Ally's
>>>> readers
>>>> chose not to enlighten us "blind" readers on how to make the signs ,
>>>> even
>>>> though the book said "a guide to learning ASL"  OR "THE DICTIONARY TO
>>>> ASL"
>>>> ETC.  So half of the book is omitted!  HKC as far as I know does not
>>>> have
>>>> braille materials outside of the center and I don't know about within
>>>> the
>>>> center!  I think perkins or Hadley has on sight classes but, the rest of
>>>> the
>>>> blind don't always live near these places.  I find, just my oppinion,
>>>> the
>>>> regular deaf population does not have pacients enough to sit to help
>>>> someone
>>>> who cant see the signs in class.  Not all are like this but, there were
>>>> 20
>>>> students taken ASL here in austin and only 1 is still taking it and they
>>>> are
>>>> failing for the second time because there is no support!  I would try to
>>>>
>>>> make sure you have a good support system at your school that, can work
>>>> with
>>>> you in the class, in the labs and is willing to work with you in the
>>>> deaf
>>>> community!  I would also recommend you to take the 3 times a week
>>>> instead of
>>>> the twice or once a week! Heather
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From scottdavert at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 18:46:25 2014
From: scottdavert at gmail.com (Scott Davert)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:46:25 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
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Hi Maurice.
I agree with marsha on this. You'll have to be able to adjust and it
does mean redefining one's personal space. If you're further away, it
will eventually cuase back and arm strain. The best advice I can give
is to just stick with it. I know in the beginning it was also
discomforting for me.

Scott

On 1/29/14, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> As a deafblind person, I am not sure that there are do and don't for
> distance. If I am recieving sign from another perrson, it is usually more
> comfortable to be closer, so that neither of our arms or hands are having to
> reach or to be over extended. There are do and don't about getting a
> deafblind persons attention. But what this is for every person is different.
> so to answer your first question, I would say as close as you feel
> comfortable.
>
> As far as your second question. No most deaf, deafblind persons who use
> sign, do not perfer to finger spell. That method is called the Rochester
> method. Most deaf persons do not have the patiences to have a person finger
> spell. With some they are okay with finger spelling. There is ASL, English
> Signed language, and there is the finger spelling method. I would say
> learning the ASL first. ASL is very visual, so in the past has not given a
> deafblin dperson the visual information, deafblind people miss out on. A new
> method is now being used, Haptics or Protactual. The little I know, and the
> little I am learning, is that these two methods use different gestors on the
> arm, leg, and back to give visual information. Like for example, if your in
> a meeting, someone nods there head, or smiles, the person who is
> interperting for you, would give you that clue. Would give you that clue in
> a way that would not disturb the meeting or other things going on in the
> meeting. I recently had a meeting at HKNC, and I used this, I was told
> things I never knew about the people, what they were doing, in the room,
> that I had never known, because I could never hear them. I would encourage
> your terps to look into learning PT or Haptics for the deafblind.
>
> No HKNC does not have any materials for learning sign, in or out of the
> center. My husband I who are learning sign, had began a database of
> describing the signs. This is sort of on hold, as I am now a student at
> HKNC. I am learning so many signs a day, it would be impossible for me to
> keep up.
>
> I would say the best practice to learning ASL is, to use it. All of the
> time.
>
> I personally think that your questions about learning ASL on this list are
> appropiate. I don't claim to know it all, just can speak from experience in
> my own journey.
>
> If I left out any answers to your questions, please don't hesitate to let us
> know...
>
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
>
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:50 PM, maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear list members, I have a question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated
>> ESL course, and a question has come up amongst the interpreters and
>> myself. How much personal space between the interpreter and myself is
>> appropriate? The reason why this is coming up is because I am of course
>> new at learning ASL, but I'm also used to keeping an area of personal
>> space around myself. Is there any clear dues, and or don'ts? In regards to
>> tactile sign language? Since we're now learning about gender sign and some
>> of those signs if one is trying to actually feel what it's been signed
>> certainly invades what becomes it or once personal space, are there any
>> good suggestions?
>>
>> In a completely separate issue is due most of you prefer finger spelling?
>> Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us certainly don't see it okay to
>> make it? Sign as opposed to raising one's eyebrows and moving one had the
>> probably is no good way for us to see that? Since this is probably not the
>> first email that I'm going to spend with questions about learning ASL
>> would it be advisable to take this discussion off list?
>>
>> While in the process of writing this I thought of one more question, I
>> believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are there any
>> do's and don'ts regarding depth lines than this all?
>>
>> My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act? When
>> trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and
>> proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information,
>> should we be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from
>> the way I'm beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution
>> does for oneself what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the
>> country? Also has Helen Keller done anything in this area? And last but
>> certainly not least asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL
>> study materials? Don't want to include my official signature file in the
>>
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone
>> 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.
>>
>> I'd like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and help me
>> out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?
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From kekiangeles111 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 19:56:34 2014
From: kekiangeles111 at gmail.com (Keitei Colton)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:56:34 -0700
Subject: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL
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Hello,

I remember taking ASL in high school and this class was concurrent enrolment in one of the universities in my area. When I was in that class, I asked if one of the teaching assistants could help me.we would often sit to the side with the teaching assistant tactually signing to me what the professor was signing. I found that to be very helpful. Also, once I learned enough vocabulary, I could ask in class what facial expressions should look like. Typically, before class, I would go to the professor to talk to her about some of the things that I had difficulty with. Now, I am in university and am in my school's ASL Club.

Since I have joined the club, I know a few people that I can ask to help me when we are doing activities. Since I cannot see what most people are signing, I have a couple people that I can rely on to tell me what others are signing so I can participate as well. When other members of the ASL Club want to talk with me, they come up to me and either stand close enough for me to see most of what they are signing or they will tactually sign to me. I would recommend finding a couple people that can help you and work with the instructor.

Best,

Keitei Colton


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> Dear list members, I have a question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated ESL course, and a question has come up amongst the interpreters and myself. How much personal space between the interpreter and myself is appropriate? The reason why this is coming up is because I am of course new at learning ASL, but I?m also used to keeping an area of personal space around myself. Is there any clear dues, and or don?ts? In regards to tactile sign language? Since we?re now learning about gender sign and some of those signs if one is trying to actually feel what it?s been signed certainly invades what becomes it or once personal space, are there any good suggestions?
> 
> In a completely separate issue is due most of you prefer finger spelling? Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us certainly don?t see it okay to make it? Sign as opposed to raising one?s eyebrows and moving one had the probably is no good way for us to see that? Since this is probably not the first email that I?m going to spend with questions about learning ASL would it be advisable to take this discussion off list?
> 
> While in the process of writing this I thought of one more question, I believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are there any do?s and don?ts regarding depth lines than this all?
> 
> My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act? When trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information, should we be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from the way I?m beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution does for oneself what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the country? Also has Helen Keller done anything in this area? And last but certainly not least asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL study materials? Don?t want to include my official signature file in the
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.
> 
> I?d like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and help me out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:14:10 -0600
> From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
> Message-ID: <594C5644C8784E2BBED5126445C04EC6 at supersystem>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Well, I took ASL and had to drop it for personal reasons!  But the space is 
> so your sign interpreters are close enough to communicate with you!  It is 
> harder the further away you are!  I did not get much help in my classes, 
> more help was from this list, thank you!  Thinker spelling is not ASL so you 
> will have to learn the signs eventually in order to speak to someone who is 
> using ASL.  There is no Braille or audio materials that one can use to learn 
> ASL, unless someone has come up with them in the past 3 months!  I gather 
> you cant speak in the class to ask what that person signed and you have to 
> do it outside of class!  The braille book store has a list of everyday signs 
> but get this, it is not in braille; the braille book store not having 
> something in braille!  And the ASL books in braille from the NLS did nothing 
> to teach you because, the print pages with the signs were "omitted" from the 
> braille pages.  So why braille a book on learning ASL signs if you are not 
> to going to tell you how to make the signs.  Also, Learning Ally's readers 
> chose not to enlighten us "blind" readers on how to make the signs , even 
> though the book said "a guide to learning ASL"  OR "THE DICTIONARY TO ASL" 
> ETC.  So half of the book is omitted!  HKC as far as I know does not have 
> braille materials outside of the center and I don't know about within the 
> center!  I think perkins or Hadley has on sight classes but, the rest of the 
> blind don't always live near these places.  I find, just my oppinion, the 
> regular deaf population does not have pacients enough to sit to help someone 
> who cant see the signs in class.  Not all are like this but, there were 20 
> students taken ASL here in austin and only 1 is still taking it and they are 
> failing for the second time because there is no support!  I would try to 
> make sure you have a good support system at your school that, can work with 
> you in the class, in the labs and is willing to work with you in the deaf 
> community!  I would also recommend you to take the 3 times a week instead of 
> the twice or once a week! Heather 
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From Cherifields at aol.com  Wed Jan 29 21:28:09 2014
From: Cherifields at aol.com (Cherifields at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:28:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL
Message-ID: <335a9.2ffeb52b.401acc69@aol.com>

Hey Keitei, if you are duel sensory your state vocational rehab should have 
 aloud you to go somewhere for this ASL for independence training.  It 
seems  it should have been a part of your goals to be independent before you 
went to  college.  
 
Blessings
Cheri Fields
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2014 11:57:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
kekiangeles111 at gmail.com writes:

Hello,

I remember taking ASL in high school and this class  was concurrent 
enrolment in one of the universities in my area. When I was in  that class, I asked 
if one of the teaching assistants could help me.we would  often sit to the 
side with the teaching assistant tactually signing to me what  the professor 
was signing. I found that to be very helpful. Also, once I  learned enough 
vocabulary, I could ask in class what facial expressions should  look like. 
Typically, before class, I would go to the professor to talk to her  about 
some of the things that I had difficulty with. Now, I am in university  and 
am in my school's ASL Club.

Since I have joined the club, I know a  few people that I can ask to help 
me when we are doing activities. Since I  cannot see what most people are 
signing, I have a couple people that I can  rely on to tell me what others are 
signing so I can participate as well. When  other members of the ASL Club 
want to talk with me, they come up to me and  either stand close enough for me 
to see most of what they are signing or they  will tactually sign to me. I 
would recommend finding a couple people that can  help you and work with the 
instructor.

Best,

Keitei  Colton


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>   1. A question about learning ASL?  (maurice mines)
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:50:17 -0800
>  From: maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com>
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind  Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nfb-db] A  question about learning ASL?
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> Dear list members, I have a  question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated 
ESL course, and a question has  come up amongst the interpreters and myself. 
How much personal space between  the interpreter and myself is appropriate? 
The reason why this is coming up is  because I am of course new at learning 
ASL, but I?m also used to keeping an  area of personal space around myself. 
Is there any clear dues, and or don?ts?  In regards to tactile sign 
language? Since we?re now learning about gender  sign and some of those signs if 
one is trying to actually feel what it?s been  signed certainly invades what 
becomes it or once personal space, are there any  good suggestions?
> 
> In a completely separate issue is due most  of you prefer finger 
spelling? Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us  certainly don?t see it okay 
to make it? Sign as opposed to raising one?s  eyebrows and moving one had the 
probably is no good way for us to see that?  Since this is probably not the 
first email that I?m going to spend with  questions about learning ASL 
would it be advisable to take this discussion off  list?
> 
> While in the process of writing this I thought of one  more question, I 
believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are  there any do?s 
and don?ts regarding depth lines than this all?
>  
> My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act?  When 
trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and  
proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information, should we  
be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from the way I?m  
beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution does for oneself 
 what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the country? Also has 
Helen  Keller done anything in this area? And last but certainly not least  
asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL study materials?  Don?t 
want to include my official signature file in the
> 
>  Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone  
360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.
>  
> I?d like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and  help 
me out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?
>  
> 
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> Message:  2
> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:14:10 -0600
> From: "heather  albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division  Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] A  question about learning ASL?
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> Well, I took ASL and had  to drop it for personal reasons!  But the space 
is 
> so your sign  interpreters are close enough to communicate with you!  It 
is 
>  harder the further away you are!  I did not get much help in my classes, 
 
> more help was from this list, thank you!  Thinker spelling is  not ASL so 
you 
> will have to learn the signs eventually in order to  speak to someone who 
is 
> using ASL.  There is no Braille or audio  materials that one can use to 
learn 
> ASL, unless someone has come up  with them in the past 3 months!  I 
gather 
> you cant speak in the  class to ask what that person signed and you have 
to 
> do it outside of  class!  The braille book store has a list of everyday 
signs 
> but  get this, it is not in braille; the braille book store not having 
>  something in braille!  And the ASL books in braille from the NLS did  
nothing 
> to teach you because, the print pages with the signs were  "omitted" from 
the 
> braille pages.  So why braille a book on  learning ASL signs if you are 
not 
> to going to tell you how to make  the signs.  Also, Learning Ally's 
readers 
> chose not to enlighten  us "blind" readers on how to make the signs , 
even 
> though the book  said "a guide to learning ASL"  OR "THE DICTIONARY TO 
ASL" 
>  ETC.  So half of the book is omitted!  HKC as far as I know does not  
have 
> braille materials outside of the center and I don't know about  within 
the 
> center!  I think perkins or Hadley has on sight  classes but, the rest of 
the 
> blind don't always live near these  places.  I find, just my oppinion, 
the 
> regular deaf population  does not have pacients enough to sit to help 
someone 
> who cant see the  signs in class.  Not all are like this but, there were 
20 
>  students taken ASL here in austin and only 1 is still taking it and they 
are  
> failing for the second time because there is no support!  I  would try to 
> make sure you have a good support system at your school  that, can work 
with 
> you in the class, in the labs and is willing to  work with you in the 
deaf 
> community!  I would also recommend you  to take the 3 times a week 
instead of 
> the twice or once a week!  Heather 
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From thegeocachingdragon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 30 06:39:11 2014
From: thegeocachingdragon at gmail.com (DrV)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 22:39:11 -0800
Subject: [nfb-db] Audible Battery Tester
In-Reply-To: <68667937-52B0-4CCF-82D5-B5FA7EA8776F@gmail.com>
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Hi All,
I'm new to this list.
My teenage sons recently got their first set of hearing aids. Both are totally blind.
Does anyone have recommendations for specific brands/models of audible battery testers that you could recommend?
Thanks in advance.
Eric V


From westbchris at gmail.com  Thu Jan 30 13:31:16 2014
From: westbchris at gmail.com (Chris Westbrook)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:31:16 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Audible Battery Tester
In-Reply-To: <18F11D89-DB83-4760-BC88-FDE603E65A14@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1263119C-34F3-4D85-A34D-B360700AFC0B@gmail.com>

Check with your audiologist, all my recent hearing aids have had alarms in the hearing aid itself that go off when the bateries are low.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:39 AM, DrV <thegeocachingdragon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I'm new to this list.
> My teenage sons recently got their first set of hearing aids. Both are totally blind.
> Does anyone have recommendations for specific brands/models of audible battery testers that you could recommend?
> Thanks in advance.
> Eric V
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 30 13:37:39 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 07:37:39 -0600
Subject: [nfb-db] Audible Battery Tester
In-Reply-To: <1263119C-34F3-4D85-A34D-B360700AFC0B@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <52EA55A3.2090407@gmail.com>

  OH yes! when I had a loner hearing aid, it had an alarm, thus you can 
imagine the scare when suddenly I started hearing this weird alarm! 
Alarm that I'd ask my parents did you hear? and they'd say no. It was 
then when Ithought maybe it's the battery low alarm! Wow!

El 30/01/2014 07:31 a.m., Chris Westbrook escribi?:
> Check with your audiologist, all my recent hearing aids have had alarms in the hearing aid itself that go off when the bateries are low.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:39 AM, DrV<thegeocachingdragon at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm new to this list.
>> My teenage sons recently got their first set of hearing aids. Both are totally blind.
>> Does anyone have recommendations for specific brands/models of audible battery testers that you could recommend?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Eric V
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From president at map-n.org  Thu Jan 30 16:46:10 2014
From: president at map-n.org (Marcus Simmons)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:46:10 -0500
Subject: [nfb-db] Audible Battery Tester
Message-ID: <500463351D1441729BC91236ACBD67EC@toshibauser>

Dear Eric V,

The NFB Material Center has one that I use. Call (410) 659-9314 and ask for the talking VOM.

Changing what it means to be blind,
Marcus Simmons, President,
Wayne County chapter NFBMI
Second Vice-president, NFB Deaf/Blind Division
28179 Brentwood
Southfield, MI 48076-3069
president at map-n.org
(248) 552-8928
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From Cherifields at aol.com  Fri Jan 31 01:19:25 2014
From: Cherifields at aol.com (Cherifields at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:19:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nfb-db] Audible Battery Tester
Message-ID: <bafca.23d75976.401c541d@aol.com>

Sorry, but that's news to me.  My audiologist didn't tell me there was  
such a thing.  Cheri
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2014 5:31:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
westbchris at gmail.com writes:

Check  with your audiologist, all my recent hearing aids have had alarms in 
the  hearing aid itself that go off when the bateries are low.

Sent from my  iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:39 AM, DrV  <thegeocachingdragon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  I'm new to this list.
> My teenage sons recently got their first set of  hearing aids. Both are 
totally blind.
> Does anyone have recommendations  for specific brands/models of audible 
battery testers that you could  recommend?
> Thanks in advance.
> Eric V
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