[nabop] Stedman's word books and drug book not accessibletoscreenreading software

Sun Mar 2 19:51:44 CST 2008

To the majority of the world, nothing was ruined.

Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sherri
  To: NFBnet National Association of Blind Office Professionals
  Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [nabop] Stedman's word books and drug book not 
accessibletoscreenreading software

  The thing is Mike, tit was previously totally accessible. Why ruin a 
good
  thing? I just don't get it.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
  To: "NFBnet National Association of Blind Office Professionals"
  <nabop at nfbnet.org>
  Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [nabop] Stedman's word books and drug book not accessible
  toscreenreading software

  Sherry:

  It is my opinion (and I am not a lawyer) that the publisher is *not* 
in
  violation of ADA by not providing accessible material. More
  specifically, the actual limits of ADA in the electronic arena are a
  matter of debate in the courts (can you say Target Lawsuit?) -- the
  debate is whether things like publications and/or electronic web sites
  are places of public accommodation or goods and services within the
  purview of Title III of ADA. In fact, I would argue that books are 
*not*
  such goods or services in that if they were. *everything* would have 
to
  be made accessible or put into braille. While this might be desirable,
  you can be sure that had this been the intent of Congress, it would 
have
  had the fight of the century on its hands and, in any event, I am not
  sure that this is what we really would have wanted in that we would 
have
  gotten an awful lot of bad braille out of this.

  Best bet is just to try to get the publisher to put out an alternative
  for you or, better yet, to try to get the creators of Bookshelf to 
make
  it accessible to screen-reading software.

  Just my $0.02-worth.

  Mike Freeman

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Sherri
    To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet nabop Mailing List ; Multiple
  recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List
    Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:00 PM
    Subject: [nabop] Stedman's word books and drug book not accessible 
to
  screenreading software

    Hello list,

    I got word from the person who
    teaches the transcription course for blind people out of Daytona 
that
  the
    Stedman's word books for 2008 are now using bookshelf, which has 
been
  used
    in the Quick Look Electronic Drug Reference for the last couple of
  years. I am extremely concerned about
    this and feel we should let them know that this will not work for
  blind
    people using screen-reading software and that they need to provide
    accessible copies of their books for us. Does anyone know who I can
  contact? Are they in any sort of violation of the ADA by producing 
their
  electronic books in a format we cannot use? Any help would be
  appreciated.

    Sherri

    sbrun at cfl.rr.com

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To the majority of the world, nothing was ruined.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:flmom2006 at gmail.com Sherri
To:
mailto:nabop at nfbnet.org NFBnet National Association of Blind Office Professionals
Sent:
Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:41 PM
Subject:
Re: [nabop] Stedman's word books and drug book not accessibletoscreenreading software
The thing is Mike, tit was previously totally accessible. Why ruin a good
thing? I just don't get it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" < mailto:k7uij at panix.com k7uij at panix.com
>
To: "NFBnet National Association of Blind Office Professionals"
< mailto:nabop at nfbnet.org nabop at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nabop] Stedman's word books and drug book not accessible
toscreenreading software
Sherry:
It is my opinion (and I am not a lawyer) that the publisher is *not* in
violation of ADA by not providing accessible material. More
specifically, the actual limits of ADA in the electronic arena are a
matter of debate in the courts (can you say Target Lawsuit?) -- the
debate is whether things like publications and/or electronic web sites
are places of public accommodation or goods and services within the
purview of Title III of ADA. In fact, I would argue that books are *not*
such goods or services in that if they were. *everything* would have to
be made accessible or put into braille. While this might be desirable,
you can be sure that had this been the intent of Congress, it would have
had the fight of the century on its hands and, in any event, I am not
sure that this is what we really would have wanted in that we would have
gotten an awful lot of bad braille out of this.
Best bet is just to try to get the publisher to put out an alternative
for you or, better yet, to try to get the creators of Bookshelf to make
it accessible to screen-reading software.
Just my $0.02-worth.
Mike Freeman
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Sherri
  To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet nabop Mailing List ; Multiple
recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:00 PM
  Subject: [nabop] Stedman's word books and drug book not accessible to
screenreading software
  Hello list,
  I got word from the person who
  teaches the transcription course for blind people out of Daytona that
the
  Stedman's word books for 2008 are now using bookshelf, which has been
used
  in the Quick Look Electronic Drug Reference for the last couple of
years. I am extremely concerned about
  this and feel we should let them know that this will not work for
blind
  people using screen-reading software and that they need to provide
  accessible copies of their books for us. Does anyone know who I can
contact? Are they in any sort of violation of the ADA by producing their
electronic books in a format we cannot use? Any help would be
appreciated.
  Sherri
  mailto:sbrun at cfl.rr.com sbrun at cfl.rr.com
  TO DONATE YOUR USED CELL PHONE AND CHANGE WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BLIND IN
CENTRAL FLORIDA go to:
  Whether we succeed or fail in what we do is not the essential thing.
  What is important is the heart with which we live our lives.
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