[Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4

dmgina dmgina at qwest.net
Sat Nov 10 20:28:51 CST 2007 

Oh me,
I couldn't pass this one up.
I am not sure what you met by ispill.
But what I will say, ahem giggle.
Jim is a pill.
Smile.
Oh me I just couldn't pass that one up.
Yes Parker isn't the same any more.
Quite larger from when I used to be in Colorado.
I also know Dianne mcGeorge.

--Dar
www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
Every Saint has a past
Every Sinner has a future

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe & Flo" <flojoe at bresnan.net>
To: "Montana Association for the Blind List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4


> Thanks, Dar, and I do remember Jim Aldrich. Istill have twolittle 
> magnifiers
> Ibought from you long ago. Usually carry one inmypocket.
> Am enjoying the conversations goingonacross the state.
> And Denver is afavorite plaace of mine and Joe's. We have visited the 
> Vision
> Center there, met with Diane, etc. Our youngest daughter, her husband, 
> only
> son and children live in Parker Son-in-law is in petroleum, daughter a
> management trainer, and grandson is a TV programmer. Grandchildren, too
> young .
>    Thanks for your time and keep up the good work. Flo Nelson, Bigfork, MT
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
> To: "Montana Association for the Blind List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4
>
>
>>I am Dar Aldrich,
>> Jim's better half of the better half smile.
>> I came from Denver Colorado, where the transportation is wonderful.
>> It has been said on the news here in town, Billings, that the city is
>> going
>> to grow as large as Seattle or Denver.
>> I look at it this way,
>> If they are going to expand as they say, then the transportation has to
>> get
>> better.
>> I have been here for three and a half years now, and just in our city
>> alone,
>> the transportation is worse instead of better.
>> Just to go from our home to the doctors office I can get a ride, and in
>> the
>> mornings I wait an hour for a buss back.
>> In the afternoons I have to wait two hours for the same buss to come 
>> back.
>> I can't be out in the elements that long.
>> Just standing and waiting.
>> this isn't good.
>> We shall see what happens.
>> We are now trying to get Jim set up for the Met Transit.
>> At this time, it is said, if Jim can take a buss, he doesn't need the Met
>> Transit.
>> We have a buss that stops in front of our home just during the times 
>> folks
>> get to work or class, then in the early mornings  or  afternoons  around
>> three.
>> Stops at six.
>> Met Transit says here in Billings, that only wheel chair persons or
>> someone
>> with a second disability can ride the transit.
>> In Denver, Jim could get the winter months, and then take the busses in
>> the
>> summer.
>> I can get all four years.
>> Then sign up again.
>> I also can take the card and use it on the buss as well.
>> Jim could come with me in the summer or any time with out paying as my
>> assistant.
>> It seems to me, that this should be across board.
>> Everyone shouldn't have to try to memorize how a state or city handles 
>> the
>> transit.
>> Now you know who Dar is smile.
>>
>>
>> --Dar
>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>> Every Saint has a past
>> Every Sinner has a future
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joe & Flo" <flojoe at bresnan.net>
>> To: "Montana Association for the Blind List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4
>>
>>
>>>I don't know who Dar is, but she hit the nail on the head when she
>>>mentioned
>>> their problem with trtansportation. That seems to be the biggest problem
>>> for
>>> the blind in Montana.
>>>    In our rural type of residencees we have to depend on friends or
>>> relatives for transportation; but in the cities they at least have 
>>> access
>>> to
>>> public transportation.
>>>    This has neen our problem in Flathead County for the last eleven 
>>> years
>>> that I have neen a member. There weems to be no answer.
>>>    Does anyone have a solution? None has come from our Agency on Agind.
>>> Flo Nelson
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
>>> To: <blind.grizzly at gmail.com>; "Montana Association for the Blind List"
>>> <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>> I am all for the change,
>>>> This is the reason why I asked the question.
>>>> We have to miss a meeting this month because we can't get
>>>> transportation.
>>>> We are talking about changing the day and trying it on a Saturday
>>>> morning.
>>>> I am not one of the chosen this year to decide if we can make the new
>>>> move
>>>> to Saturday from Tuesday.
>>>> Our president Jim Allen is the one who sent the message for the 
>>>> request.
>>>> I know he needs to ask other members as well.
>>>> We are working hard trying to get more involved with our meetings.
>>>>
>>>> --Dar
>>>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>>>> Every Saint has a past
>>>> Every Sinner has a future
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jim Marks" <blind.grizzly at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'dmgina'" <dmgina at qwest.net>; "'Montana Association for the Blind
>>>> List'" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we have to wait until the next convention at the earliest, but
>>>>> it's
>>>>> possible that something could be mounted before then.  The Board gets
>>>>> to
>>>>> run
>>>>> the organization while we're not in convention.  The convention is the
>>>>> supreme authority of the MAB/NFB of Montana.  That said, I do not 
>>>>> think
>>>>> our
>>>>> current Board would support the change.  But a convention might, and
>>>>> that's
>>>>> why I think we should wait until then to decide.  Right now, our best
>>>>> bet
>>>>> is
>>>>> to take actions that bring more people into the organization.  We need
>>>>> informed voters to help us decide the future of the MAB/NFB of 
>>>>> Montana.
>>>>> If
>>>>> you get the chance, bring in a few friends.  Talk them about the
>>>>> possibilities, and let's make the change happen through the 
>>>>> involvement
>>>>> of
>>>>> Montanans who really want to change what it means to be blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Marks
>>>>> blind.grizzly at GMail.com
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dmgina [mailto:dmgina at qwest.net]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:51 PM
>>>>> To: blind.grizzly at gmail.com; Montana Association for the Blind List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> this is Dar,
>>>>> With just reading the message,
>>>>> My question is this,
>>>>> Do we have to wait until the next State convention meeting to get this
>>>>> passed to change from
>>>>> Montana Association for the Blind,
>>>>> to
>>>>> NFB Montana?
>>>>> Or can a form come in the mail to fill out to get this done before the
>>>>> State
>>>>>
>>>>> convention?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>>>>> Every Saint has a past
>>>>> Every Sinner has a future
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Jim Marks" <blind.grizzly at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Montana Association for the Blind List'" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to be clear, I don't think anyone is suggesting we drop the 
>>>>>> name,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Montana Association for the Blind.  People are right to feel pride in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> long tradition of our fine organization.  I sure do.  Also, I am not
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>> about taking any action yet, other than to build the organization 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> members with progressive outlooks and fresh opinions.  We just cannot
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> forward looking only in the rear view mirror.  All this said, though,
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> important to point out that if we were to take some sort of name
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> on,
>>>>>> then all we would have to do is to put a clause in the bylaws about
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> being known as the NFB of Montana.  Such a change would not bring 
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> play
>>>>>> any huge and involved paperwork tar pits as Myrle suggests below.  We
>>>>>> easily
>>>>>> get to call ourselves what we want to be called, and it would be
>>>>>> terrific
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> the organization would be open-minded enough to be inclusive of
>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>> members want to call ourselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The thing about this name discussion is that some members oppose the
>>>>>> NFB
>>>>>> name without regard to the feelings and opinions of others.  Instead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> dividing into factions and fighting one another, we ought to be
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> and implementing win-win situations.  We should be working towards a
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> embracing everyone and stop with all the barriers and oppositional
>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>> and actions, real or imagined.  It just isn't as hard as we are 
>>>>>> making
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> out to be.  The numbers of people who share my point of view are
>>>>>> growing,
>>>>>> and they are going to continue to grow.  Sooner or later, the change
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> occur.  It has to occur because we cannot stay where we are and
>>>>>> maintain
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> excitement.  Think about it.  Why would potential members want to 
>>>>>> join
>>>>>> us?
>>>>>> We've got to be far more attractive and progressive than we are or
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> organization will flounder and die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lastly, if you think I'm stirring the pot, you're right.  I am weary
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> silly games that keep coming up, and it's time to speak my mind 
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> hope others will join in the discussion so that we can share ideas 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> grow
>>>>>> stronger.  To heck with keeping skeletons in the closet and shying
>>>>>> away
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> confrontation and sticking our heads in the sand and mixing our
>>>>>> metaphors.
>>>>>> We are the Montana Association for the Blind, and we are also the NFB
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Montana.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Marks
>>>>>> blind.grizzly at GMail.com
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>> [mailto:mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Al Tompkins
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:46 PM
>>>>>> To: mt-blind at nfbnet.org; mt-blind at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bernice:
>>>>>> Thank you for your stand.  There are many of us that agree.  It is
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> more than the simple name change that
>>>>>> Jim is suggesting.  For one thing it would require filing for new
>>>>>> 501(C)3
>>>>>> application - which is not just a name change.
>>>>>> The process is more difficult now than it was when originally
>>>>>> obtained.
>>>>>> "Montana" will attract more attention
>>>>>> than "National" when it comes to seeking support from our 
>>>>>> legislature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Myrle
>>>>>>
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