[Mt-blind] service dog training schools in Montana

Thu May 10 20:03:17 CDT 2007

Hello Ted and list,

I may as well weigh in on all of this even though I'm not a dog user myself.

Kayla is learning how to train a service dog which would be used by someone 
with a disability other than blindness!  I agree with this assessment.  So 
far, so good!  Her completing training at Guidedogs for the Blind at San 
Rafael would not guarantee her success or failure in this educational 
pursuit.  The letter said this was going to be her minor.  The problem is 
how the project was being promoted.  It is my understanding that one's 
guidedog or guidedog school could not be used in other promotional 
fundraising unless such fundraising involved the school where the dog came 
from.  Using the dog or school in other fundraising is strictly prohibited. 
This has been my understanding for a number of years now.  This is what is 
at issue here.  Is her dog being used inappropriately for promoting her 
school project especially if she is trying to raise funds for this project 
of hers?  I'd say so whether she herself asks for the money or anyone else 
around her does the same especially when the guidedog and school were 
mentioned a number of times in the letter which was sent out by personalle 
at Carol College.  If it can be shown that her project was promoted 
inappropriately, then we as individuals or an organization shouldn't be 
dragged into possible legal action.  We should keep our distance from this 
project because her dog somehow became involved in the promotional material! 
She should receive our assistance as other college students have with 
scholarships etc.  It is my understanding she has not applied for an MAB 
scholarship ever!  She certainly has the opportunity to do so and I hope she 
considers doing so in the future.  I think we should help her when and where 
we can but let's leave her guidedog and guidedog school name out of the 
promotional material.  Such  should be sanctioned by her school.

Thanks for reading!

Jim Aldrich

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward C Robbins" <robbinsec at juno.com>
To: <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] service dog training schools in Montana

Greetings,
        I think that some misunderstanding is growing things way out of
proportion.  I believe that Kayla was working with a dog which was to be
trained for a service animal, not that Kayla  was training a blind guide
dog..  Didn't it indicate that she had her own "trained" dog from San
Rafael?  I don't remember anywhere it stated she was training the dog
concerned with as a Blind Guide dog.

        If I am wrong, I apologize, but we need to be sure of what we are
replying to.  Even myself.
Ted Robbins

On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:10:17 -0600 "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net> writes:
> No I won't stop here,
> Because the school name Sanrafael was mentioned, this is a false
> statement
> from Carol college and should be stopped.
> Saying that Kayla is being trained for assisted dogs.
> I am not for this, and will turn her in if not only the Mab
> shouldn't be
> asked at any time for money.
> No matter what.
> The schools are important to me.
> I can't even do this kind of thing.
> Using a school name for back up.
> This is against all school policy.
> If her dogs name and name of school was never mentioned there
> wouldn't be a
> problem here.
> I don't want Kayla to go threw training and get into trouble as
> years come
> along.
> I take this very seriously.
> This should have been looked into before anyone was asked to give
> any kind
> of money.
> Trying to protect Mab as well as Kayla.
> Thank you,
>
>
> --Dar
> Every saint has a future,
> Every sinner has a past
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel Burke" <burke.dall at gmail.com>
> To: "'Montana Association for the Blind List'"
> <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] service dog training schools in Montana
>
>
> > There's nothing in the law that I remember about legality of
> service dog
> > training.  Let me emphasize as has been before, that service dogs
> and
> > guide
> > dogs are not the same thing, and state law with respect to service
> dogs is
> > deliberately vague about the training and what may constitute as a
> service
> > dog or the service they may provide.  Guide dogs, on the other
> hand have
> > very specific training to guide, without exception.
> >
> > I offer all of this to say, that this is a pretty well dead mule,
> and
> > quite
> > worn out with all the worry we've given it besides.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of dmgina
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:42 AM
> > To: Breslauers; Montana Association for the Blind List
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] service dog training schools in Montana
> >
> > Hello,
> > Was the college mentioned where Kayla is quote unquote training
> her dog,
> > is
> > this legal?
> > If not,
> > Then no support of any kind should happen for her on the dog
> matter.
> > Very interesting.
> > Thanks for sharing.
> >
> >
> > --Dar
> > Every saint has a future,
> > Every sinner has a past
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Breslauers" <bjb5757 at bresnan.net>
> > To: "mab" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:08 AM
> > Subject: [Mt-blind] service dog training schools in Montana
> >
> >
> >> Hello listers:
> >>
> >> According to the director of Montech who appeared at our VR
> all-staff
> >> meeting yesterday, there is only one individual who is training
> service
> >> dogs
> >> in Montana.  There are no service dog schools in Montana as such.
>  The
> >> dog
> >> guide community continues to be concerned about standards of
> training in
> >> the
> >> service dog community.  In this dog user's opinion, standards
> promulgated
> >> by
> >> the International Association of Assistive Dog Partners (IAADP)
> are not
> >> stringent enough.
> >>
> >> Bruce E. Breslauer
> >> Orientation and Mobility Specialist, Trainee
> >> Montana Blind and Low Vision Services
> >>
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