[Mt-blind] Mt-blind Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2
Edward C Robbins
robbinsec at juno.com
Sat Feb 3 17:26:07 CST 2007
Greetings,
I too would not like to see the strides we have accomplished by
getting the voting machines. For the first time in over 28 years, I was
finally able to vote in secret without assistance.
Ted Robbins
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:59:05 -0700 "Al Tompkins"
<tompkinsplace at earthlink.net> writes:
> Dan:
> Voting in the last election was an exciting experience and I would
> hate to
> give it up. If mail ballots are approved I hope that they leave the
> option
> of voting by machine at least at the Clerk and Recorder offices.
> Myrle
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <mt-blind-request at nfbnet.org>
> > To: <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: 2/1/2007 8:30:48 PM
> > Subject: Mt-blind Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. Re: sb358 (Daniel Burke)
> > 2. Re: sb358 (Jim Marks)
> > 3. Re: sb358 (dmgina)
> > 4. Re: sb358 (James Aldrich)
> > 5. Re: sb358 (Rik James)
> > 6. SB 358 (Jerry Hutch)
> > 7. Re: SB 358 (dmgina)
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:23:10 -0700
> > From: "Daniel Burke" <burke.dall at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> > To: "'Montana Association for the Blind List'"
> <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Message-ID: <01e001c7462e$0872a700$6501a8c0 at upstairs>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
> >
> > Carl,
> >
> > The MAB's policies are determined by the membership during
> conventions in
> > the form of resolutions. The MAB's only policy on voting,
> therefore, is
> for
> > nonvisual access in voting. I don't think we specified what kind
> of
> voting
> > system or procedure, but that electronic voting systems give us
> independence
> > in voting, privacy and we need to be able to verify our own votes
> in that
> > system.
> >
> > Jerry's points are excellent ones, but they have no bearing on
> blindness
> or
> > the MAB, nor do they reflect the policy laid out in our
> resolutions. My
> > first inclination is for the MAB to remain neutral on this issue.
>
> However,
> > as I think about the comments Joy and Dar bring up I wonder if we
> might
> not
> > have a stand on this -- as opposed to the idea. But I will think
> on that
> > some more. And I would be curious to hear from more members and
> from the
> > Board.
> >
> > Thanks guys -- and thanks for bringing this to our attention Carl!
> It's
> > good to have you at the Capitol tracking these kinds of things.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of dmgina
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:04 PM
> > To: Breslauers; Montana Association for the Blind List
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> >
> > Joy,
> > I have to agree with you here.
> > We have worked so hard to get the machines so we can vote.
> > I sure wouldn't want to loose what we worked for.
> > I thought the voting went quite well.
> >
> > --Dar
> > wishing a
> > backTpack
> > call me at
> > 406-259-1124
> > Every Saint has a past,
> > Every sinner has a future ,
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Breslauers" <bjb5757 at bresnan.net>
> > To: "mab" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:04 PM
> > Subject: [Mt-blind] sb358
> >
> >
> > >I wouldn't trust something as important as my vote to the mail
> system.
> > > Besides, I'd have to have someone else fill out the ballot and
> there
> would
> > > go my privacy. I would prefer to use a voting machine, either
> on
> election
> > > day or by voting absentee. You can vote absentee before the
> deadline at
> > > your convenience.
> > >
> > > Joy
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:43:44 -0700
> > From: "Jim Marks" <blind.grizzly at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> > To: Breslauers <bjb5757 at bresnan.net>, "Montana Association
> for the
> > Blind List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <eb22d8830702011343off381adl94d0857cffbc767 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > I agree with Joy. A mail ballot would create some accountability
> > problems. Something as important as voting should be done the
> right
> > way, which means either going to the polls or voting absentee.
> Mail
> > ballots may be more convenient, but what our state needs is more
> > pro-active participation, not convenience. Our existing system
> > excludes no one, even those who are house-bound. Who are the
> main
> > people behind the mail ballot? What do they hope to achieve?
> >
> > One last thing to mention is that the MAB elects its board
> members
> > through a mail ballot. I've never like this system because it
> gives
> > the power to those who never show up to conventions or chapter
> > meetings. Our mail ballot also never gives members a chance to
> get to
> > know who the candidates are. A better system would be for votes
> to
> > occur at convention. Candidates could speak there and be
> interviewed
> > by the members. Then we could vote on how our leaders would be.
> I
> > realize this would exclude those who could not attend conventions,
> but
> > this problem is less of a factor than the denial of choice to
> those
> > who do show up. We ought to reward those who show up, not those
> who
> > do not even when the reasons for not showing are valid. For
> example,
> > I've heard many a potential member say they do not want to join
> the
> > MAB because our election process does not empower active members
> and
> > because the mail ballot is passive. People want to know that
> their
> > participation is valued, and the mail ballot actually values those
> who
> > do not participate over those who do. Besides that, voting at
> > convention would be easier to administer, less expensive, and far
> more
> > fun than mail ballots. We could celebrate the election process
> rather
> > than waiting on the unpredictable mail ballot turnout.
> >
> > Jim Marks
> > blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/31/07, Breslauers <bjb5757 at bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > I wouldn't trust something as important as my vote to the mail
> system.
> > > Besides, I'd have to have someone else fill out the ballot and
> there
> would
> > > go my privacy. I would prefer to use a voting machine, either
> on
> election
> > > day or by voting absentee. You can vote absentee before the
> deadline at
> > > your convenience.
> > >
> > > Joy
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mt-blind mailing list
> > > Mt-blind at nfbnet.org
> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/mt-blind
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jim Marks
> > blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:03:04 -0700
> > From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> > To: "Montana Association for the Blind List"
> <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Message-ID: <01f401c7464c$bfbb2400$642da8c0 at DMGina>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > This is Dar,
> > How can we change the process, so voting would just be done by
> members at
> > convention?
> > Also if folks don't have a way to get to convention, is there any
> way
> that
> > they could get assistance?
> > As happens with national?
> > If they asked in their chapters to go to convention at a set
> time?
> > So it could be voted on by the board?
> > I know what I am thinking,
> > but can't find the correct words to use?
> > I hope you understand what I am trying to ask?
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > --Dar
> > wishing a
> > backTpack
> > call me at
> > 406-259-1124
> > Every Saint has a past,
> > Every sinner has a future ,
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Marks" <blind.grizzly at gmail.com>
> > To: "Breslauers" <bjb5757 at bresnan.net>; "Montana Association for
> the
> Blind
> > List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> >
> >
> > >I agree with Joy. A mail ballot would create some
> accountability
> > > problems. Something as important as voting should be done the
> right
> > > way, which means either going to the polls or voting absentee.
> Mail
> > > ballots may be more convenient, but what our state needs is
> more
> > > pro-active participation, not convenience. Our existing system
> > > excludes no one, even those who are house-bound. Who are the
> main
> > > people behind the mail ballot? What do they hope to achieve?
> > >
> > > One last thing to mention is that the MAB elects its board
> members
> > > through a mail ballot. I've never like this system because it
> gives
> > > the power to those who never show up to conventions or chapter
> > > meetings. Our mail ballot also never gives members a chance to
> get to
> > > know who the candidates are. A better system would be for votes
> to
> > > occur at convention. Candidates could speak there and be
> interviewed
> > > by the members. Then we could vote on how our leaders would be.
> I
> > > realize this would exclude those who could not attend
> conventions, but
> > > this problem is less of a factor than the denial of choice to
> those
> > > who do show up. We ought to reward those who show up, not those
> who
> > > do not even when the reasons for not showing are valid. For
> example,
> > > I've heard many a potential member say they do not want to join
> the
> > > MAB because our election process does not empower active members
> and
> > > because the mail ballot is passive. People want to know that
> their
> > > participation is valued, and the mail ballot actually values
> those who
> > > do not participate over those who do. Besides that, voting at
> > > convention would be easier to administer, less expensive, and
> far more
> > > fun than mail ballots. We could celebrate the election process
> rather
> > > than waiting on the unpredictable mail ballot turnout.
> > >
> > > Jim Marks
> > > blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/31/07, Breslauers <bjb5757 at bresnan.net> wrote:
> > >> I wouldn't trust something as important as my vote to the mail
> system.
> > >> Besides, I'd have to have someone else fill out the ballot and
> there
> > >> would
> > >> go my privacy. I would prefer to use a voting machine, either
> on
> > >> election
> > >> day or by voting absentee. You can vote absentee before the
> deadline
> at
> > >> your convenience.
> > >>
> > >> Joy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Mt-blind mailing list
> > >> Mt-blind at nfbnet.org
> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/mt-blind
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jim Marks
> > > blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mt-blind mailing list
> > > Mt-blind at nfbnet.org
> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/mt-blind
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:08:20 -0700
> > From: "James Aldrich" <jkaldrich at qwest.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> > To: "Montana Association for the Blind List"
> <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Message-ID: <006901c74655$ddb157a0$6a2da8c0 at aldrich1bf20d9>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I certainly second this notion. Of course, we would need to
> determine
> > whether districts should be retained or done away with in favor
> of
> getting
> > the best possible candidates for office no matter where they'd be
> from.
> I
> > guess the question is how can this change be implemented!
> >
> > Jim Aldrich
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Marks" <blind.grizzly at gmail.com>
> > To: "Breslauers" <bjb5757 at bresnan.net>; "Montana Association for
> the
> Blind
> > List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> >
> >
> > I agree with Joy. A mail ballot would create some accountability
> > problems. Something as important as voting should be done the
> right
> > way, which means either going to the polls or voting absentee.
> Mail
> > ballots may be more convenient, but what our state needs is more
> > pro-active participation, not convenience. Our existing system
> > excludes no one, even those who are house-bound. Who are the
> main
> > people behind the mail ballot? What do they hope to achieve?
> >
> > One last thing to mention is that the MAB elects its board
> members
> > through a mail ballot. I've never like this system because it
> gives
> > the power to those who never show up to conventions or chapter
> > meetings. Our mail ballot also never gives members a chance to
> get to
> > know who the candidates are. A better system would be for votes
> to
> > occur at convention. Candidates could speak there and be
> interviewed
> > by the members. Then we could vote on how our leaders would be.
> I
> > realize this would exclude those who could not attend conventions,
> but
> > this problem is less of a factor than the denial of choice to
> those
> > who do show up. We ought to reward those who show up, not those
> who
> > do not even when the reasons for not showing are valid. For
> example,
> > I've heard many a potential member say they do not want to join
> the
> > MAB because our election process does not empower active members
> and
> > because the mail ballot is passive. People want to know that
> their
> > participation is valued, and the mail ballot actually values those
> who
> > do not participate over those who do. Besides that, voting at
> > convention would be easier to administer, less expensive, and far
> more
> > fun than mail ballots. We could celebrate the election process
> rather
> > than waiting on the unpredictable mail ballot turnout.
> >
> > Jim Marks
> > blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/31/07, Breslauers <bjb5757 at bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > I wouldn't trust something as important as my vote to the mail
> system.
> > > Besides, I'd have to have someone else fill out the ballot and
> there
> would
> > > go my privacy. I would prefer to use a voting machine, either
> on
> election
> > > day or by voting absentee. You can vote absentee before the
> deadline at
> > > your convenience.
> > >
> > > Joy
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mt-blind mailing list
> > > Mt-blind at nfbnet.org
> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/mt-blind
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jim Marks
> > blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mt-blind mailing list
> > Mt-blind at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/mt-blind
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:08:26 -0700
> > From: "Rik James" <d28rik at msn.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> > To: "'Montana Association for the Blind List'"
> <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Message-ID: <BAY132-DAV11BD54E263E0D2B70771FFDB9B0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Thanks, Jim, for drawing the parallels about mail balloting.
> > I think it would take an act of the state legislature to override
> the
> > multitude of arguments from the ain't broke don't fix it, and
> besides what
> > about the folks too old and poor to go to convention so why can't
> they
> vote
> > defense. Attempts there have been to revise the MAB's constitution
> to
> change
> > the election process.
> >
> > But hey, I think it would mean more than the SB 358 would.
> > On the proposal, I really have to read it before I form any
> opinion. And
> so
> > far I have not. Has anyone? Likely as not I would not support it
> for
> > reasons already stated by others.
> >
> > Have a happy day everyone. And stay out of the wind!! They don't
> call it
> > wind chill for nothing. I just got in from my hour walk, Drifted
> over
> > sidewalks, and breezes that like to creep right through my good
> wool get
> up.
> > My cane plum froze to my mitten. Maybe I shoulda not put my hand
> in the
> > minner net when I was fishing. (smile.) No. I was not fishing.
> Just
> > hunting snow snakes.
> >
> >
> > Rik
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of James Aldrich
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:08 PM
> > To: Montana Association for the Blind List
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> >
> > I certainly second this notion. Of course, we would need to
> determine
> > whether districts should be retained or done away with in favor
> of
> getting
> > the best possible candidates for office no matter where they'd be
> from.
> I
> > guess the question is how can this change be implemented!
> >
> > Jim Aldrich
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Marks" <blind.grizzly at gmail.com>
> > To: "Breslauers" <bjb5757 at bresnan.net>; "Montana Association for
> the
> Blind
> > List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] sb358
> >
> >
> > I agree with Joy. A mail ballot would create some accountability
> > problems. Something as important as voting should be done the
> right
> > way, which means either going to the polls or voting absentee.
> Mail
> > ballots may be more convenient, but what our state needs is more
> > pro-active participation, not convenience. Our existing system
> > excludes no one, even those who are house-bound. Who are the
> main
> > people behind the mail ballot? What do they hope to achieve?
> >
> > One last thing to mention is that the MAB elects its board
> members
> > through a mail ballot. I've never like this system because it
> gives
> > the power to those who never show up to conventions or chapter
> > meetings. Our mail ballot also never gives members a chance to
> get to
> > know who the candidates are. A better system would be for votes
> to
> > occur at convention. Candidates could speak there and be
> interviewed
> > by the members. Then we could vote on how our leaders would be.
> I
> > realize this would exclude those who could not attend conventions,
> but
> > this problem is less of a factor than the denial of choice to
> those
> > who do show up. We ought to reward those who show up, not those
> who
> > do not even when the reasons for not showing are valid. For
> example,
> > I've heard many a potential member say they do not want to join
> the
> > MAB because our election process does not empower active members
> and
> > because the mail ballot is passive. People want to know that
> their
> > participation is valued, and the mail ballot actually values those
> who
> > do not participate over those who do. Besides that, voting at
> > convention would be easier to administer, less expensive, and far
> more
> > fun than mail ballots. We could celebrate the election process
> rather
> > than waiting on the unpredictable mail ballot turnout.
> >
> > Jim Marks
> > blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/31/07, Breslauers <bjb5757 at bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > I wouldn't trust something as important as my vote to the mail
> system.
> > > Besides, I'd have to have someone else fill out the ballot and
> there
> would
> > > go my privacy. I would prefer to use a voting machine, either
> on
> election
> > > day or by voting absentee. You can vote absentee before the
> deadline at
> > > your convenience.
> > >
> > > Joy
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mt-blind mailing list
> > > Mt-blind at nfbnet.org
> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/mt-blind
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jim Marks
> > blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mt-blind mailing list
> > Mt-blind at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/mt-blind
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:19:12 -0700
> > From: Jerry Hutch <modrepro at mt.net>
> > Subject: [Mt-blind] SB 358
> > To: Montana Association for the Blind List <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Message-ID: <45C2ADB0.3070208 at mt.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
> >
> > Information from the State of Oregon on the Vote by Mail process
> and
> > public acceptance of that method of voting. Look at the 5 year
> study of
> > the process. Follow the links.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > http://www.sos.state.or.us/executive/votebymail.htm
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > Information from the State of Oregon on the Vote by Mail process
> and
> public acceptance of that method of voting.? Look at the 5 year
> study of
> the process.? Follow the links.
> > Jerry
> > http://www.sos.state.or.us/executive/votebymail.htm
> http://www.sos.state.or.us/executive/votebymail.htm
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:30:21 -0700
> > From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] SB 358
> > To: "Montana Association for the Blind List"
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> > Hi there,
> > No matter what any other state does, it is ok to change something
> that
> has
> > happened for years.
> > We as totals would love to have freedom.
> > We don't get it, when everything has to be done by print,
> > and we have to get someone to write it out for us.
> > I feel more totally blind persons would join our chapters if they
> knew
> they
> > could vote on anything privately.
> > The more we can use the machines, the better the machine will
> become.
> > This is a dream I have had for years.
> > to be able to vote on anything privately.
> >
> >
> > --Dar
> > wishing a
> > backTpack
> > call me at
> > 406-259-1124
> > Every Saint has a past,
> > Every sinner has a future ,
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry Hutch" <modrepro at mt.net>
> > To: "Montana Association for the Blind List"
> <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:19 PM
> > Subject: [Mt-blind] SB 358
> >
> >
> > > Information from the State of Oregon on the Vote by Mail process
> and
> > > public acceptance of that method of voting. Look at the 5 year
> study of
> > > the process. Follow the links.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > http://www.sos.state.or.us/executive/votebymail.htm
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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