[Mt-blind] Fw: Fyi
Daniel Burke
burke.dall at gmail.com
Sun Apr 15 18:03:44 CDT 2007
Jim,
Thanks for setting me straight on the technology thing, and proving once
again to everyone in the state that I can sound smart only if no one else is
in the room! (grin)
I was pretty sure we'd hear from you ...
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Aldrich
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:41 PM
To: Montana Association for the Blind List
Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Fw: Fyi
Hello Dan and all,
Verizon presently has the LG VX5300, 8300 and 9900 phones out there.
Perhaps the 5300 and 8300 phones are more widely used. They have better
accessibility than the 4500 and 4650 phones but they are not completely
accessible. Dar and I now have the 5300 phones. If anyone is interested,
we still have our older 4650 phones we'd like to get rid of.
The Motorola Q is probably the best phone as far as cost if one wants a
smart phone. Certainly $300 for mobile speaks smart phone is better than
the price of JFw or Window Eyes. These phones are changing very quickly so
who knows what will be available next year!
Jim Aldrich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Burke" <burke.dall at gmail.com>
To: "'Montana Association for the Blind List'" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Fw: Fyi
Thanks for the kind words, Rik!
The PacMate and the various Braille Note versions are the main equivalents,
without phone capability. And yes, they are about five times as costly.
There are increasing smaller PDAs and some smart phones that begin to
approach similar functions that sighted folks enjoy with things like the
Blackberry, but I haven't read any reviews of these systems. Also, the LG
series more or less accessible cell phones that were previously available
from Verizon have apparently been discontinued. Jim Marks was looking to
upgrade his phone this spring, and has yet to do it. Now it seems you have
to buy software like Mobile Speak, which is about $300, over and above the
cell phone itself.
I vote for returning to Morse Code ... I think I can remember some of it
from Boy Scouts even now ... Okay, maybe only the S O S.!
Dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot!
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of RJ / KJ
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:33 AM
To: 'Montana Association for the Blind List'
Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Fw: Fyi
Thank you very much, Mister President Dan, for the detailed and informative
sum up of the accessible voting issues and the AutoMark. It is well that you
be acknowledged for all the good work you are doing and for the kind and
informative way in which you have and continue to perform in the service and
on behalf of us blind persons in Montana. We ought to all take the time to
recognize this and let me do so now. Thank you, DAN!
And also thanks for confirming my wonderings about the blackberry's ability
to be accessed and used in a nonvisual manner. Raspberry indeed. Hi ho,
there you go, being clever while answering a question all at the same time.
Cheerio!
A while back I was In a medical waiting room and a seated neighbor was
poking away at a blackberry keyboard, and they said they were receiving and
sending emails, and I briefly pondered and wondered what piece of equipment
blind folks are using these days along the lines of doing what a blackberry
does. I imagine it must cost 5 times what the blackberry does in any case.
Regards.
Rik James
Bozeman Folklore Society Concerts / KGLT-FM "Americana Backroads"
716 North Montana Ave., Bozeman, MT 59715
ph: (406) 586-4123 - D28Rik at msn.com
http://www.bozemanfolklore.org/concerts.html - www.kglt.net
-----Original Message-----
From: mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel Burke
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Montana Association for the Blind List'
Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Fw: Fyi
Yes, I think that she was referring to "association," and didn't realize
what she'd done till she saw her abbreviation in my reply. That's why she
apologized.
"AutoMARK" is the brand of electronic voting machine we have in Montana. By
the way, it is the only electronic voting machine that offers accessibility
as well as a printed, hard-copy ballot at the end of things. Moves to have
that hard-copy ballot are pushing revisions in the Help America Vote Act,
which gives us accessible nonvisual voting.
Missoula County Clerk and Recorder Vickie Zeier has been pushing very hard
for mail-in balloting. There is going to be a study, a considerable
scale-back from the original call for mail-in balloting in the 2007
Legislature. But apparently Vickie is going to push for it in Missoula
County regardless.
BTW, Beth is an attorney at the Montana Advocacy Program who has been
keeping us abreast of the mail-in voting issue. MAB has no specific policy
on this topic, but we have resolutions regarding accessible voting. So any
change in balloting must include provisions for access for blind people -
something treated dismissively in early testimony in the 2007 session.
Also, a single voting place for blind and other people with disabilities
certainly rings of segregation. But more importantly, if we go and vote on
machines and everyone else mails in their ballots, how will we be assured
that our votes will not be set apart as a group of votes? This was a
concern in some states in 2004, as was New York City's single voting
location for blind people.
Finally, Beth is not blind, which explains her use of the Blackberry. To
answer the Social Scientist of No Renown, yes the Blackberry hiccups, but it
doesn't excuse itself. Rather, for the potential blind user the Blackberry
gives the raspberry.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:mt-blind-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Breslauers
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:06 AM
To: Montana Association for the Blind List
Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Fw: Fyi
It was probably meant to be an abbreviation for association. Oops!
Joy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Heather Stone" <heatherastone at yahoo.com>
To: "Montana Association for the Blind List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Mt-blind] Fw: Fyi
>I sincerely hope this comment "have reps
> from the ass of the blind" was a typing error because
> if not, I feel that it was an unnecessary crude way to
> ask for support & you need to state the time &
> location of Monday's meeting.
> --- Carl Schweitzer <carl at mt.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth Brenneman" <beth at mtadv.org>
>> To: <carl at mt.net>
>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:12 AM
>> Subject: Fyi
>>
>>
>> Vicki Zeier just said in our study bill hearing that
>> she will be asking the
>> msla city commission to run the next city election
>> exclusively by mail - the
>> meeting is this monday, and it would probably be a
>> good idea to have reps
>> from the ass of the blind at the hearing ensuring
>> that automarks will be
>> available in accessible locations - b
>>
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