[Jobs] FW: Communications Instructor position in LincolnNebraska

Mon Jul 23 18:04:27 CDT 2007

OK we have done enough on this one. We all like our own flavor of ice cream, 
our ice cream is the best and the good thing is that we are all some what 
correct.
I would love to debate this one, but just not on this list. So lets go find 
jobs!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Misrahi" <eileenmis at dslextreme.com>
To: "'Jobs for the Blind'" <jobs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Jobs] FW: Communications Instructor position in 
LincolnNebraska

> Dick,
>
> I am only responding to the other postings. I hope this will have a short
> lifespan on this list serve.
>
> Although the current COMS instructors disagree on blind O&M instructors, I
> have seen both worlds. I just completed an Introduction to Orientation and
> Mobility class for my Master's program. There were skills that I 
> definitely
> did not acquire from the O&M instructor while attending a NFB center. The
> reason for this was related to the belief in these skills by NFB. However,
> not all individuals will be independent cane travelers, nor can an
> professional belittle someone who will require human guide or the use of
> protective  or trailing techniques.
>
> Currently, I am enrolled in a Master's program at Florida State University
> (distance learning) for rehabilitation teaching for the visually impaired.
> The experience I have gained has only been positive and the theoretical
> framework has been invaluable when applying the knowledge to the 
> individuals
> I serve. I believe that is what is lacking when a new employee is agency
> trained. I am not saying that there are not excellently trained blind
> individuals from agency based facilities, but there is no framework to 
> base
> one's teaching strategies or techniques. Agency based training is based on
> one's own experiences, without justification on why the skill is taught. 
> The
> shortage of professionals in the visual rehabilitation field has 
> contributed
> to necessity to train individuals in agency based facilities. However, in
> order for individuals with visual impairments employed in this profession 
> to
> gain respect there will need to be standards set especially if they want 
> to
> tap into the senior population, which is on the rise for services. Also, 
> the
> lack of more programs such as Louisiana Tech. and minimal interest of
> individuals seeking professional degrees will affect the visual
> rehabilitation profession. I believe you need to rethink your position
> regarding university programs before making a blanketed statement on this
> position.
>
> Eileen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of
> Dick Davis
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: 'Jobs for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Jobs] FW: Communications Instructor position in
> LincolnNebraska
>
> Sorry, Fred,
>
> I've got to disagree.  What you say sounds good in theory, but it has not
> proven itself in reality.  Most of the university training programs in the
> country today produce professionals who do not have any belief in blind
> people.  The O&M programs still do not believe in blind instructors.  That
> is why we started the NFB centers and the training programs at Louisinana
> Tech, and set up our own certification system.
>
> I am not saying that all people who graduate from traditional university
> training programs have bad attitudes about blindness, but enough do, and
> that has been the case for so many years, that we  have found it necessary
> in the Federation to set up our own alternative systems.  I wish it had 
> not
> been necessary for us to do so.
>
> Dick Davis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of
> Fred Olver
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:37 PM
> To: Jobs for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Jobs] FW: Communications Instructor position in
> LincolnNebraska
>
> Would you want a lawyer trained by a firm rather than one that was
> university trained? Would you want a doctor trained by a hospital rather
> than a medical school? Would you want a social worker trained by an agency
> rather than one who is university trained? So why should newly blind
> individuals not expect the quality training a university program offers? 
> Why
>
> do you assume that university training is somehow less than adequate for
> people who work with blind folks and not in other areas? I've seen some of
> those individuals trained within agencies, one example of bad training is
> that the individuals who were trained had no concept of what two-handed
> reading of Braille was and also had no desire to learn the reasons why it
> was necessary.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J. Michael Jones" <blindmike at charter.net>
> To: "Jobs for the Blind" <jobs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Jobs] FW: Communications Instructor position in
> LincolnNebraska
>
>
>> You are making an assumption that university training is some how
>> better than agency training. I don't want to have that debate,
>> however, choosing the right person and training them yourself is of
>> great value.  I do know that having the freedom to do so is great
>> instead of being locked in to having to chose someone with a
>> particular degree. Just some thought.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Smith, Pauline L" <PSmith4 at dmc.org>
>> To: "Jobs for the Blind" <jobs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Jobs] FW: Communications Instructor position in
>> LincolnNebraska
>>
>>
>> Maybe I missed something.  The job description lists the teaching of
>> all the communication areas except Braille.  That's interesting.  If
>> they don't specifically have to have a rehab teaching/counseling or
>> education degree that concentrates on the area of vision impairment,
>> the person won't have all the necessary skills.  Doesn't sound good,.
>>
>> Pauline
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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