[Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB

Mon Dec 18 06:41:54 CST 2006

Joe Thanks for clarifying.
Chris
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB


> Christella,
>
>    Both the 1994 and the 1997 resolutions share the same premise of the
> 2002 resolution that currency must not be changed for the singular purpose
> of benefiting the blind.  If the Department of Treasury believes it is in
> the best interest of the country to alter the currency to combat
> counterfeiting or to shore up some other security risk, the blind will not
> shy away from using accessible bills, but at no point in our history have 
> we
> flip-flopped in our basic message that blind people are not discriminated
> against by a lack of different bills.  Discrimination implies that blind
> people are incapable of spending their money the way black people were 
> once
> incapable of using the same public services.  As Dr. Maurer pointed out
> recently, and as I am sure you will have already experienced, no one has
> ever told blind people their money is not good enough.  Yet, the ACB is 
> now
> finally having to deal with the legistical issues it should have 
> anticipated
> and prepared for back in 2002 when it began devoting its time and 
> resources
> to this short-sighted objective.  As I have stated many times before, in
> order to advance the argument that accessible cash will help put blind
> people behind cash registers, the public has to believe the blind people 
> can
> get behind the registers in the first place.  Do not allow the ACB to
> dissuade you from your resolve.  No one will deny the fact that accessible
> currency would be helpful.  The way they're going about it is completely
> wrong.
>
>           Joe Orozco
>
> "The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."--Military
> Basic Training
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christella Garcia" <christellablue at gmail.com>
> To: "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB
>
>
>> Maybe they need to make themselves feel better.  I think a lot of what
>> they
>> are saying is silly.  One person sent me a resolution where the NFB was
>> trying to get money  changed.  He said that the NFB had a flip flop
>> approach
>> to handling issues.  He is a member of the ACB.  Does anyone know of this
>> resolution and what do you think about it? I am pasting the message below
>> to
>> see what people think and also I would appreciate any feed back so I can
>> be
>> ,more informed as how to answer questions.
>> Here is the text of a 1994 resolution that was adopted by the NFB
>> supporting the changing of United States paper currency so that bills can
>> be
>> distinguished via touch. I want to thank the person--who shall remain
>> nameless--for tipping me off to the availability of this resolution. I
>> can't wait to see NFB explain this away!
>>
>> RESOLUTION 94-07
>>
>> WHEREAS, the United States Department of the Treasury is examining
>> alternatives to the present currency for the purposes of making
>> counterfeiting more difficult
>> and for making currency more compatible with modern technology; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, revisions to the present currency may include variations in
>> color, raised markings, bar coding, or other electronically readable
>> formats; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, it is a widespread misconception that blind people cannot
>> handle their own money because they cannot see it; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, it is beyond dispute that blind people can, in fact, handle
>> their own money; however, bills which can be identified by other than
>> conventional
>> print could be more convenient for everyone, may be a necessity to
>> safeguard against counterfeiting, and may be desirable to take the best
>> advantage of
>> evolving technology: Now, therefore,
>>
>> BE IT RESOLVED by the National Federation of the Blind in Convention
>> assembled this seventh day of July, 1994, in the City of Detroit,
>> Michigan,
>> that this
>> organization express the interest of blind people in the discussion of
>> a modernized form of currency so that any changes which may eventually
>> be made will
>> include methods of identifying money by other than strictly visual
>> means; and
>>
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this Federation, notwithstanding its
>> expressed interest in the ultimate decisions on currency changes, do all
>> in
>> its power correctly
>> to inform the public that blind people can and do successfully handle
>> money in its present form.
>>
>>
>> Chris----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Connie Davis" <condav850 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB
>>
>>
>> Absolutely, Chris.  I wouldn't waste my time with such nonsense.  It's
>> like
>> going to someone's house as a guest and being rude.  I just can't
>> understand
>> why people get such a kick out of doing that.  But they must.  Why else
>> would they do it?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Christella Garcia <christellablue at gmail.com>
>> To: Illinois Association of Blind Students List <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:05:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB
>>
>>
>> Hey Connie, I hope you were just kitting.  I don't think it would be
>> appropriate to engage in nonproductive behavior.  Two wrongs don't make a
>> write.  I am truly frustrated about the negative comments that we have
>> been
>> hearing, but I think we as an organization should spend more time 
>> focusing
>> on positive issues rather than mud slinging.
>> Chris
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Connie Davis" <condav850 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB
>>
>>
>> How does one subscribe to the ACB list?  I'd like to go on their list and
>> make disparaging remarks about their organization just it's done on our
>> lists.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Samuel Joehl <sjoehl at yahoo.com>
>> To: Illinois Association of Blind Students List <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB
>>
>>
>> I'm equally as amazed by what the NFB believes about the ACB.  A
>> disparraging remark was made in the press release sent out by the NFB
>> regarding the currency issue stating that the ACB believes that blind
>> people
>> need to be taken care of and pitied.  I feel that these organizations
>> waste
>> more energy fighting amongst
>> themselves and attacking each other than they do working on the issues
>> that
>> they both agree on, like education and employment - the issues that the
>> NFB
>> claims are of greater importance than accessible currency.  It's no 
>> wonder
>> that we haven't made more progress in gaining equality and opportunity 
>> for
>> the blind.  What happened to those ideas of collaboration, comradery and
>> commitment?  Was that just a catchy aliteration that gets tossed out the
>> window when the courts start to side with the "other" organization?
>>
>>
>> Dave Wright <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>  Hey guys,
>> Just wanted to send this to the list to generate some discussion
>> concerning
>> the nfb and what we stand for. It's really amazing what the ACB believe
>> and
>> tell people about our organization. Perhaps this will give people a 
>> chance
>> to think about what we really stand for and raise some spirit for our
>> organization.
>> Dave
>>
>> Hello ACB Leaders and Friends:
>>
>>
>> I've spent about the last day thinking about something. ACB has
>> gained a lot of positive media attention with our favorable
>> ruling in the currency lawsuit. This ruling, if used correctly,
>> can breathe new life into our membership recruitment efforts and
>> we must harness the energy from this ruling and begin a huge push
>> to recruit new members. In every local chapter, state and
>> special interest affiliate and nationally, we have the
>> opportunity to tell people what ACB stands for and bring them to
>> our side.
>>
>> Often times, all of us have been asked, what do I get for joining
>> ACB. Well, let me share a few talking points.
>>
>> ACB takes no government money. Therefore, ACB is the only
>> consumer based and funded advocacy organization of the blind
>> working for all people who are blind regardless of where they
>> come from or their economic status.
>>
>> ACB works on issues which are important to all people who are
>> blind, and we don't spend our money on fancy buildings, operating
>> training centers, and telephone newspaper services which only
>> benefit some blind people. ACB is working for the blind worker
>> struggling to find a job, but it's also working for the person
>> who is blind who struggles to live from month to month on SSI.
>> ACB is here for the blind vendor, and we're here for the average
>> person who is blind who simply wants to independently know how
>> much he or she has in his or her wallet or purse. ACB fights for
>> the blind person needing mass transit, and we're working for the
>> family with a blind member who wants to sit down in front of the
>> tv, break out the popcorn and beverages and equally enjoy a
>> television program or a movie. ACB stands for independent access
>> to the ballot and for the blind musician who needs to use Braille
>> music.
>>
>> I'm sure there are more talking points that I could come up with.
>> The point is we have many good reasons to be proud of our ACB and
>> bring in new members to share that pride with us. I am so proud
>> ACB doesn't provide training services or build big buildings.
>> ACB works at the grass roots level for each and every person who
>> is blind in the United States and across the world.
>>
>> Ray Campbell, Proud Member, ACB Board of Directors
>> ray1530 at comcast.net_______________________________________________
>> Iabs-talk mailing list
>> Iabs-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/iabs-talk
>> I'm equally as amazed by what the NFB believes about the ACB.  A
>> disparraging remark was made in the press release sent out by the NFB
>> regarding the currency issue stating that the ACB believes that blind
>> people
>> need to be taken care of and pitied.  I feel that these organizations
>> waste
>> more energy fighting amongst
>> themselves and attacking each other than they do working on the issues
>> that
>> they both agree on, like education and employment - the issues that the
>> NFB
>> claims are of greater importance than accessible currency.  It's no 
>> wonder
>> that we haven't made more progress in gaining equality and opportunity 
>> for
>> the blind.  What happened to those ideas of collaboration, comradery and
>> commitment?  Was that just a catchy aliteration that gets tossed out the
>> window when the courts start to side with the "other" organization?
>>
>> Dave Wright <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> Just wanted to send this to the list to generate some discussion
>> concerning
>> the nfb and what we stand for. It's really amazing what the ACB believe
>> and
>> tell people about our organization. Perhaps this will give people a 
>> chance
>> to think about what we really stand for and raise some spirit for our
>> organization.
>> Dave
>> Hello ACB Leaders and Friends:
>> I've spent about the last day thinking about something. ACB has
>> gained a lot of positive media attention with our favorable
>> ruling in the currency lawsuit. This ruling, if used correctly,
>> can breathe new life into our membership recruitment efforts and
>> we must harness the energy from this ruling and begin a huge push
>> to recruit new members. In every local chapter, state and
>> special interest affiliate and nationally, we have the
>> opportunity to tell people what ACB stands for and bring them to
>> our side.
>> Often times, all of us have been asked, what do I get for joining
>> ACB. Well, let me share a few talking points.
>> ACB takes no government money. Therefore, ACB is the only
>> consumer based and funded advocacy organization of the blind
>> working for all people who are blind regardless of where they
>> come from or their economic status.
>> ACB works on issues which are important to all people who are
>> blind, and we don't spend our money on fancy buildings, operating
>> training centers, and telephone newspaper services which only
>> benefit some blind people. ACB is working for the blind worker
>> struggling to find a job, but it's also working for the person
>> who is blind who struggles to live from month to month on SSI.
>> ACB is here for the blind vendor, and we're here for the average
>> person who is blind who simply wants to independently know how
>> much he or she has in his or her wallet or purse. ACB fights for
>> the blind person needing mass transit, and we're working for the
>> family with a blind member who wants to sit down in front of the
>> tv, break out the popcorn and beverages and equally enjoy a
>> television program or a movie. ACB stands for independent access
>> to the ballot and for the blind musician who needs to use Braille
>> music.
>> I'm sure there are more talking points that I could come up with.
>> The point is we have many good reasons to be proud of our ACB and
>> bring in new members to share that pride with us. I am so proud
>> ACB doesn't provide training services or build big buildings.
>> ACB works at the grass roots level for each and every person who
>> is blind in the United States and across the world.
>> Ray Campbell, Proud Member, ACB Board of Directors
>> ray1530 at comcast.net_______________________________________________
>> Iabs-talk mailing list
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