[Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB

Sun Dec 17 20:30:30 CST 2006

Christella,

    Both the 1994 and the 1997 resolutions share the same premise of the 
2002 resolution that currency must not be changed for the singular purpose 
of benefiting the blind.  If the Department of Treasury believes it is in 
the best interest of the country to alter the currency to combat 
counterfeiting or to shore up some other security risk, the blind will not 
shy away from using accessible bills, but at no point in our history have we 
flip-flopped in our basic message that blind people are not discriminated 
against by a lack of different bills.  Discrimination implies that blind 
people are incapable of spending their money the way black people were once 
incapable of using the same public services.  As Dr. Maurer pointed out 
recently, and as I am sure you will have already experienced, no one has 
ever told blind people their money is not good enough.  Yet, the ACB is now 
finally having to deal with the legistical issues it should have anticipated 
and prepared for back in 2002 when it began devoting its time and resources 
to this short-sighted objective.  As I have stated many times before, in 
order to advance the argument that accessible cash will help put blind 
people behind cash registers, the public has to believe the blind people can 
get behind the registers in the first place.  Do not allow the ACB to 
dissuade you from your resolve.  No one will deny the fact that accessible 
currency would be helpful.  The way they're going about it is completely 
wrong.

           Joe Orozco

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."--Military 
Basic Training
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christella Garcia" <christellablue at gmail.com>
To: "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB


> Maybe they need to make themselves feel better.  I think a lot of what 
> they
> are saying is silly.  One person sent me a resolution where the NFB was
> trying to get money  changed.  He said that the NFB had a flip flop 
> approach
> to handling issues.  He is a member of the ACB.  Does anyone know of this
> resolution and what do you think about it? I am pasting the message below 
> to
> see what people think and also I would appreciate any feed back so I can 
> be
> ,more informed as how to answer questions.
> Here is the text of a 1994 resolution that was adopted by the NFB
> supporting the changing of United States paper currency so that bills can 
> be
> distinguished via touch. I want to thank the person--who shall remain
> nameless--for tipping me off to the availability of this resolution. I
> can't wait to see NFB explain this away!
>
> RESOLUTION 94-07
>
> WHEREAS, the United States Department of the Treasury is examining
> alternatives to the present currency for the purposes of making
> counterfeiting more difficult
> and for making currency more compatible with modern technology; and
>
> WHEREAS, revisions to the present currency may include variations in
> color, raised markings, bar coding, or other electronically readable
> formats; and
>
> WHEREAS, it is a widespread misconception that blind people cannot
> handle their own money because they cannot see it; and
>
> WHEREAS, it is beyond dispute that blind people can, in fact, handle
> their own money; however, bills which can be identified by other than
> conventional
> print could be more convenient for everyone, may be a necessity to
> safeguard against counterfeiting, and may be desirable to take the best
> advantage of
> evolving technology: Now, therefore,
>
> BE IT RESOLVED by the National Federation of the Blind in Convention
> assembled this seventh day of July, 1994, in the City of Detroit, 
> Michigan,
> that this
> organization express the interest of blind people in the discussion of
> a modernized form of currency so that any changes which may eventually
> be made will
> include methods of identifying money by other than strictly visual
> means; and
>
> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this Federation, notwithstanding its
> expressed interest in the ultimate decisions on currency changes, do all 
> in
> its power correctly
> to inform the public that blind people can and do successfully handle
> money in its present form.
>
>
> Chris----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Connie Davis" <condav850 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB
>
>
> Absolutely, Chris.  I wouldn't waste my time with such nonsense.  It's 
> like
> going to someone's house as a guest and being rude.  I just can't 
> understand
> why people get such a kick out of doing that.  But they must.  Why else
> would they do it?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Christella Garcia <christellablue at gmail.com>
> To: Illinois Association of Blind Students List <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:05:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB
>
>
> Hey Connie, I hope you were just kitting.  I don't think it would be
> appropriate to engage in nonproductive behavior.  Two wrongs don't make a
> write.  I am truly frustrated about the negative comments that we have 
> been
> hearing, but I think we as an organization should spend more time focusing
> on positive issues rather than mud slinging.
> Chris
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Connie Davis" <condav850 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB
>
>
> How does one subscribe to the ACB list?  I'd like to go on their list and
> make disparaging remarks about their organization just it's done on our
> lists.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Samuel Joehl <sjoehl at yahoo.com>
> To: Illinois Association of Blind Students List <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Iabs-talk] amazing what the ACB believe about the NFB
>
>
> I'm equally as amazed by what the NFB believes about the ACB.  A
> disparraging remark was made in the press release sent out by the NFB
> regarding the currency issue stating that the ACB believes that blind 
> people
> need to be taken care of and pitied.  I feel that these organizations 
> waste
> more energy fighting amongst
> themselves and attacking each other than they do working on the issues 
> that
> they both agree on, like education and employment - the issues that the 
> NFB
> claims are of greater importance than accessible currency.  It's no wonder
> that we haven't made more progress in gaining equality and opportunity for
> the blind.  What happened to those ideas of collaboration, comradery and
> commitment?  Was that just a catchy aliteration that gets tossed out the
> window when the courts start to side with the "other" organization?
>
>
> Dave Wright <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>  Hey guys,
> Just wanted to send this to the list to generate some discussion 
> concerning
> the nfb and what we stand for. It's really amazing what the ACB believe 
> and
> tell people about our organization. Perhaps this will give people a chance
> to think about what we really stand for and raise some spirit for our
> organization.
> Dave
>
> Hello ACB Leaders and Friends:
>
>
> I've spent about the last day thinking about something. ACB has
> gained a lot of positive media attention with our favorable
> ruling in the currency lawsuit. This ruling, if used correctly,
> can breathe new life into our membership recruitment efforts and
> we must harness the energy from this ruling and begin a huge push
> to recruit new members. In every local chapter, state and
> special interest affiliate and nationally, we have the
> opportunity to tell people what ACB stands for and bring them to
> our side.
>
> Often times, all of us have been asked, what do I get for joining
> ACB. Well, let me share a few talking points.
>
> ACB takes no government money. Therefore, ACB is the only
> consumer based and funded advocacy organization of the blind
> working for all people who are blind regardless of where they
> come from or their economic status.
>
> ACB works on issues which are important to all people who are
> blind, and we don't spend our money on fancy buildings, operating
> training centers, and telephone newspaper services which only
> benefit some blind people. ACB is working for the blind worker
> struggling to find a job, but it's also working for the person
> who is blind who struggles to live from month to month on SSI.
> ACB is here for the blind vendor, and we're here for the average
> person who is blind who simply wants to independently know how
> much he or she has in his or her wallet or purse. ACB fights for
> the blind person needing mass transit, and we're working for the
> family with a blind member who wants to sit down in front of the
> tv, break out the popcorn and beverages and equally enjoy a
> television program or a movie. ACB stands for independent access
> to the ballot and for the blind musician who needs to use Braille
> music.
>
> I'm sure there are more talking points that I could come up with.
> The point is we have many good reasons to be proud of our ACB and
> bring in new members to share that pride with us. I am so proud
> ACB doesn't provide training services or build big buildings.
> ACB works at the grass roots level for each and every person who
> is blind in the United States and across the world.
>
> Ray Campbell, Proud Member, ACB Board of Directors
> ray1530 at comcast.net_______________________________________________
> Iabs-talk mailing list
> Iabs-talk at nfbnet.org
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> I'm equally as amazed by what the NFB believes about the ACB.  A
> disparraging remark was made in the press release sent out by the NFB
> regarding the currency issue stating that the ACB believes that blind 
> people
> need to be taken care of and pitied.  I feel that these organizations 
> waste
> more energy fighting amongst
> themselves and attacking each other than they do working on the issues 
> that
> they both agree on, like education and employment - the issues that the 
> NFB
> claims are of greater importance than accessible currency.  It's no wonder
> that we haven't made more progress in gaining equality and opportunity for
> the blind.  What happened to those ideas of collaboration, comradery and
> commitment?  Was that just a catchy aliteration that gets tossed out the
> window when the courts start to side with the "other" organization?
>
> Dave Wright <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Just wanted to send this to the list to generate some discussion 
> concerning
> the nfb and what we stand for. It's really amazing what the ACB believe 
> and
> tell people about our organization. Perhaps this will give people a chance
> to think about what we really stand for and raise some spirit for our
> organization.
> Dave
> Hello ACB Leaders and Friends:
> I've spent about the last day thinking about something. ACB has
> gained a lot of positive media attention with our favorable
> ruling in the currency lawsuit. This ruling, if used correctly,
> can breathe new life into our membership recruitment efforts and
> we must harness the energy from this ruling and begin a huge push
> to recruit new members. In every local chapter, state and
> special interest affiliate and nationally, we have the
> opportunity to tell people what ACB stands for and bring them to
> our side.
> Often times, all of us have been asked, what do I get for joining
> ACB. Well, let me share a few talking points.
> ACB takes no government money. Therefore, ACB is the only
> consumer based and funded advocacy organization of the blind
> working for all people who are blind regardless of where they
> come from or their economic status.
> ACB works on issues which are important to all people who are
> blind, and we don't spend our money on fancy buildings, operating
> training centers, and telephone newspaper services which only
> benefit some blind people. ACB is working for the blind worker
> struggling to find a job, but it's also working for the person
> who is blind who struggles to live from month to month on SSI.
> ACB is here for the blind vendor, and we're here for the average
> person who is blind who simply wants to independently know how
> much he or she has in his or her wallet or purse. ACB fights for
> the blind person needing mass transit, and we're working for the
> family with a blind member who wants to sit down in front of the
> tv, break out the popcorn and beverages and equally enjoy a
> television program or a movie. ACB stands for independent access
> to the ballot and for the blind musician who needs to use Braille
> music.
> I'm sure there are more talking points that I could come up with.
> The point is we have many good reasons to be proud of our ACB and
> bring in new members to share that pride with us. I am so proud
> ACB doesn't provide training services or build big buildings.
> ACB works at the grass roots level for each and every person who
> is blind in the United States and across the world.
> Ray Campbell, Proud Member, ACB Board of Directors
> ray1530 at comcast.net_______________________________________________
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