[gui-talk] Updating Adobe Flash Player

[Gerald Levy]

Which is why the NFB should seriously consider taking legal action against 
Adobe Systems to force it to make its web site more blind friendly.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <lras at sprynet.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Updating Adobe Flash Player


>I didn't have a reader handy when I ran into this situation.  So after the 
>Flash update was completed, I used Add/Remove Programs to remove the Google 
>toolbar and Google Chrome before they had a chance to run.  In each 
>instance, they popped up a survey asking why I was uninstalling those 
>Google programs.  I told them that it was because their programs had become 
>a default installation with Adobe Flash updates, and that there didn't seem 
>to be an accessible way of preventing those defaults from taking effect. 
>The technology exists, and even a few weeks ago you could uncheck those 
>programs.  I don't feel kindly to Adobe these days, in addition to Oracle.
> I am concerned about this situation also, because when my wife gets rehab 
> to buy a PC for someone, they will inevitably make their systems less 
> useable when these security upgrades come along, or they will expose their 
> state-bought equipment to security problems that could be prevented.  A 
> lot of people are getting computers but have minimal training in the level 
> of problem-solving we are discussing.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Mike Freeman
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:12 PM
> To: 'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Updating Adobe Flash Player
>
> And here's where a reader comes in handy.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerald 
> Levy
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 3:47 AM
> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Updating Adobe Flash Player
>
>
> For your information, Adobe Flash Player has not been available for 
> download
>
> on the Ninite site for a few months, so the only option is to download it
> from the Adobe site.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List"
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Updating Adobe Flash Player
>
>
>> It's never a good idea to use the adobe website to update software.
>> Your better option is to use http://www.ninite.com/ and that will
>> download an appropriate installer for your hardware and software.  You
>> run the installer and ninite.com installs the adobe products for you
>> without all that extra garbage.  That's how ninite.com installs
>> everything that's available on ninite.com and if you buy the pro
>> version, ninite.com will check the manufacturer's sites for you and let
>> you know when it's time to install the next updates.  I'm surprised
>> ninite.com isn't known about and used more widely on those other blind
>> tech lists.  I don't even want to write about adobe reader with jaws 10,
>> but that ninite.com site is well worth a visit.
>>
>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2013, David Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> I have forwarded your message to several influencial people within the
>>> NFB.
>>> Adobe, in my opinion is one of the worst main-line companies out there,
>>> in my
>>> opinion.  In addition to the kinds of things you mention below, many of
>>> their
>>> tools for producing PDF's do a terrible job at producing accessible
>>> documents.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 04:59 PM 12/5/2013, you wrote:
>>>
>>> >There has been a lot of discussion over the past few days on a few 
>>> >blind
>>> >tech-related mailing lists about the difficulty of updating Adobe Flash
>>> >Player without also installing unwanted software such as Google Chrome
>>> >and
>>> >Tool Bar as well as McAfee Security Scan Plus.  A lot of people have
>>> >been
>>> >complaining that the check boxes on the Flash Player download page to
>>> >unselect the installation of Google Chrome or McAfee Security Scan 
>>> >Plus,
>>> >which are checked by default are either totally inaccessible  or
>>> >uncheckable
>>> >, regardless of which screen reader is used.  Other people have 
>>> >reported
>
>>> >that
>>> >the Adobe web site is so inaccessible, that they can't install Flash
>>> >Player
>>> >at all without sighted help.  This is not an insignificant problem, in
>>> >view
>>> >of the fact that updates to Flash Player are released pretty frequently
>>> >and
>>> >need to be installed to patch security flaws in this highly-vulnerable
>>> >program, which is used by many web sites, including the popular
>>> >Youtube.com.
>>> >Can anything be done to force Adobe to make the download page for Flash
>>> >Player more accessible for us blind computer users.  Must we be forced
>>> >to
>>> >install unwanted software because there is no accessible means of
>>> >unselecting
>>> >it?  Is there anything the NFB can do , such as taking legal action
>>> >against
>>> >Adobe to force it to make its Flash Player web site more blind 
>>> >friendly?
>>> >Thanks for any feedback.
>>> >
>>> >Gerald
>>>
>
>
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