[gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?

Mon Jun 27 18:38:42 UTC 2011

It sounds good but couldn't this suffer the same fate as solona? 

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From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:22 AM
To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?

One possible solution, though it does depend on human interaction, is the
new free VizWiz app for the IOS devices. Your IOS device needs a camera and
preferrably a WiFi connection. Essentially, you take a picture of something,
record a spoken question, and then submit it to several sources, including a
collection of "web workers" (probably some sort of website/service, but not
sure), a database of products that oMoby uses as well, email it to someone
or post it to your Twitter feed for your followers to examine. Of these
options for getting a name for a product, the web workers are probably more
helpful since often they tell you the picture is blurry, you need to move
the camera closer or that they cannot see whatever you're trying to
identify. I used this app last night to identify some cans of pasta and was
pleased with the results. At one point, I had 2 cans, one that was closer to
the iPhone than the other. The result I got from the web worker told me that
the nearer can was turned so they couldn't see the label, but they did tell
me what the further can was. I mention VizWiz for CAPTCHA solving because I
have read of one instance of someone using VizWiz to identify a CAPTCHA. The
CAPTCHA ended up not working for the user, but the web worker correctly
identified it. I've heard of other people using VizWiz to identify other
things, like whether lettuce was fresh, what boxes and cans were, and so
forth. The real power of VizWiz is that you can record any question, from
"What is this?" to "What does my screen say?" to, "What's in this box?"

Anyway, just a thought. Hopefully at some point VizWiz will be taken to
other platforms like Android and so forth.

Sincerely,
Wayne Merritt

On 6/27/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Gerald and everyone,
>
>     Perhaps if screen reader users pressed their product developers to 
> address this issue something would happen. I saw the demise of WevVism 
> and Silona long ago. So much for relying on third parties to solve 
> captchas for you. Taking the user interaction out of the bot 
> protection equation will go a long way to resolving the accessibility 
> issues these things have created for the blind and deaf-blind. The 
> ColdFusion Community is to be given credit for taking a major step in 
> eliminating the accessibility issues posed by captchas on Web pages 
> with the development of CFForm Protect. As I said before we need to 
> find out if there are similar solutions for other Web languages, 
> frameworks, and environments and promote their use instead of captchas.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List"
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?
>
>
>
> The real problem is that the major screen reader companies, FS and GW 
> Micro, have so far shown absolutely no interest in adding captcha 
> solving capabilities to JAWS and Window Eyes, respectively.  This 
> should certainly be technically feasible.
>
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List"
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?
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>
>> Not enough money; not enough personnel. I also heard a rumor that the 
>> person operating it has been ill.
>>
>> If you ask me, *any* service dependent upon human interaction is 
>> bound to be less-than-reliable at best.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:20, Tai Blas <Tai.Blas at blind.state.ia.us> wrote:
>>
>>> What is going on with Solona? Every time I try to use it, I am unable
to.
>>> Tai
>>>
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:03 PM
>>> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing 
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>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?
>>>
>>>
>>> This could become a serious problem.  At some point, the software 
>>> developers at Webvisum will simply give up trying to keep up with 
>>> each new release of Firefox.  And because Solona is already on life 
>>> support, there soon may be no captcha solving solutions left.  I 
>>> suggest hanging onto Firefox 4 or earlier as long as you can.  
>>> Besides, the screen readers won't be able to keep up with each new
Firefox release, either.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124 at aol.com>
>>> To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 5:21 PM
>>> Subject: [gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Ken here.  I read in Kim Komando's email that firefox has 
>>>> started a new schedule they will be new versions of the browser 
>>>> every too months.  I just got the update automaticly today and they 
>>>> are recommending you install it since no more updates will be made 
>>>> for version 4.  So in two months for example version 6 or maybe 5 
>>>> point something or other.
>>>> Webvisum has been disabled since it isn't updated.  the firefox 
>>>> browser says it will enable it if it has an update.  But can 
>>>> webvisum possible keep up with a two months schedule?  is our 
>>>> capcha solver useless thanks to this new timetable by firefox?
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